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#12392 - 10/09/08 10:51 AM A thought on home made symbols
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I have been wanting to buy a Baphomet for my wall, To start off my ritual chamber, But, I was thinking about making one from sticks out of the woods.
Sense Satanism is about the dark forces of nature, Wouldn't using things from nature help with the use of magic?
Maybe I am way off on this. It just seems to me that it would help with the magic process.
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#12395 - 10/09/08 11:49 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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You don't necessarily need to buy an official Sigil wall plaque. I just took a square canvas and painted my own on. I suggest finding an equal sided pentagon though, just for the Pentagram within the sigil.

Not only is it cheaper, but it's more personal as well. As for my Baphomet, it looks VERY similar to the one that is used on the Satanic Bible etc, but it does have it's little flaws that make it mine. \:\)
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#12397 - 10/09/08 12:15 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: DistroyA]
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Thanks.
I will see what I can do. My art skills are not very good. I may have problems with the symbols and the goats head.
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#12398 - 10/09/08 12:20 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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That's funny, because I had no problems with those per se; it was the rings and the Pentagram that I had most trouble with. Thing is, if something needs to be exact, I won't be satisfied until it's exact. The Hebrew characters and the goat's head wasn't an issue here, as the results resemble what I wanted them to anyway.
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#12399 - 10/09/08 12:32 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: DistroyA]
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I don't mind flaws, I just want it to look nice. Because it will be the focal point of the alter.
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#12400 - 10/09/08 12:40 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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I would also think that using antler or bone would add some nice "earthy" touches, as well as giving an eccentric/bizarre/macabre feel to the piece.
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#12401 - 10/09/08 12:46 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Nemesis]
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wow, I didn't think of that Nemesis. Thanks. That is a great idea. Actually i just buried a deer a few months ago at my Aunt Jodi's house. So i can just dig it up , And use the parts. Hopefully Heidie{There dog} didn't dig it back up.
Thanks again Nemesis, I new there was a reason i liked you.
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#12403 - 10/09/08 12:56 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
I would also think that using antler or bone would add some nice "earthy" touches, as well as giving an eccentric/bizarre/macabre feel to the piece.
That's actually quite an idea. Of course, it would depend on one's personal preference really, but there ya go. \:\)
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#12404 - 10/09/08 01:01 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: DistroyA]
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I wouldn't kill a animal just use its parts. But it is already dead, I might as well use it to aid me in my magic, Or whatever i may need it for.
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#12405 - 10/09/08 01:03 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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Never suggested anything of the sort. I wouldn't have thought you to disrespect living creatures anyway.
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#12407 - 10/09/08 01:06 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: DistroyA]
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I didn't think you thought that. I guess i should of worded my post a little different
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#12427 - 10/09/08 05:58 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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In every form of magic I flirted with in my younger years there was always more power in an object which you manufacture with your own hands... It may be the true power of man is the ability to take an idea and make something real out of it... No other animal has perfected this ability yet...

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#12428 - 10/09/08 06:07 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: ta2zz]
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Great point Ta2zz. I thought using something home made would produce more power. But I wasn't sure if it would wishful thinking so to speak. This will be my first time trying to perform magic, And i just want to make sure i cover everything and do it right. Thanks for everyones input on this. It is much appreciated.
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#12435 - 10/09/08 08:49 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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Don't bother too much with rules. Just do what you feel is natural.

A Pentagram made entirely of gnarled wood, hide, and animal bones would be pretty badass... with a horned goat skull in the middle. I'm still working on my own setup as well, but it probably won't be that extravagant. Maybe if I get an old rustic New England style home secluded in the middle of the woods... someday.


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#12439 - 10/09/08 10:02 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: The Zebu]
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That would be awsome.
But i felt that making a Sigil Baphomet would help with my magic Zebu. Just was wondering on people thoughts on this. Thanks for your input.
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#12444 - 10/09/08 11:09 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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yeah, I guess in the end it depends on what aesthetic is more effective for you... I personally have a bit of a distaste for the traditional baphomet image; it's a touch too overused and kitschy for me.
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#12445 - 10/09/08 11:22 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: The Zebu]
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Well i was thinking of not using the symbols and goathead. Have not decided on this yet. If i do it will only be a circled inverted Pentagram made of sticks from the woods. But i would still like to have Sigil of Baphomet. Even if it is for the pleasure of viewing.
Once i have made my Pentagram then i will post it for you all.
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#12453 - 10/10/08 10:04 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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Make it anyway you need, you can interchange different created baphomets according to the ritual. I have a few baphomets that I have made. I keep things simple normally and leave things alone - just my preference. If I was working on a ritual that included earthly power and needed tools to augment that then I would use sticks, bones, dirt. Another idea is if you were performing a ritual for money, you could put a stocks banner encompassing the baphomet. Use your imagination. I wouldn't worry so much about artistic accuracy, as long as you are satisfied with the product. I take great pride in making things at home, knowing that I saved money and am smarter to boot!
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#12458 - 10/10/08 12:08 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: HALL-oween]
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Thanks HALL-oween.
I could not agree more with what you said. Specially the saving money part. And the pride in making things. If I can get mine to come out half as good as yours and Destroya's then I will be completely satisfied. Which will make me feel more prideful then just buying the stuff.
Does anyone know how to home make candles? And would it be cheaper? Black candles are hard to find around here, And when you do find them it is the outer part that is black, The inside is white.
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#12459 - 10/10/08 12:16 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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That's why Halloween is the best time of the year to stock up on them. Christmas is when the red candles are easiest to find, if you like the crimson and black color scheme as I do. If you're looking for black candles at other times of the year, your best bet would be to find them online and buy in bulk.
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#12460 - 10/10/08 12:31 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Nemesis]
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I have one caution for you. Understand that ritual is psychodrama.
You've already said that you don't think you have any artistic talent. If you enter your ritual thinking that your baphomet is shit, or any degree below excellent, it's going to linger in the back of your mind during the ritual, and this might fuck it up.


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#12462 - 10/10/08 02:26 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Nemesis]
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What a handy and practical tip, Nemesis. It's like Martha Stewart meets Satan...

This is like a demented "Hints from Helloise" thread.

Did you also know that if you have long straight hair, and if it gets all "static-y", you can remove this by rubbing a dryer sheet all over your head? As long as you don't mind smelling like a dryer sheet.
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#12464 - 10/10/08 05:19 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: daevid777]
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Thanks Nemesis. I will remember that. Red and Black are my 2 favorite colors. My chamber will be black{of course} and all lined in red. I would also like to have robe the same way.I figured party city would have black candles, I was wrong.
Thanks for the tip Coelentrate.Thats why i was wondering about making symbols from wood. I just can not draw very well, So thats part of my reason for asking the question. I felt I already new the answer but i do like to hear others opinions on things.
I did start on the Pentagram today. I just stripped the wood, And it is soaking in my bath tub so the wood will be easier to bend. I also made a inverted cross for my neck, And I'm taking a break from making a big one for the wall. I also have a idea for making candle holders from stumps. I think it will give my chamber a very nice nature feel.
I am glad fall is here, So i can spend more time outside and not sweat to death. Plus i can keep a fire going in my burn barrel. Maybe even do a ritual outside as well.
But thanks for the advice and opinions everyone.


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#12467 - 10/10/08 06:15 PM Soma Luna [Re: BloodHorn]
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Looky-
http://www.somaluna.com/cat/category_blackcandles.asp
These are great quality and good price. Halloween candles are cheap but from experience don't last long- they are great though if thats all you have.


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#12472 - 10/10/08 08:41 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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You'll find candles in all the colors at a craft store like Joann Fabrics or Michael's. I'm not sure what stores are up in Georgia, but stop by one and take a look. They ususally have Halloween stuff on sale through October.
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#12481 - 10/10/08 10:02 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Nemesis]
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Michael's I know we have. Have not heard of Joann Fabrics. We also have a place called hobby lobby. Maybe i should check them as well. My girl was saying we should check pier one imports. I'm not sure of the spelling. I have never been in any of these stores, So I have no clue. Thank you for the heads up though Nemesis.
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#12482 - 10/10/08 10:20 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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Nah, Pier One is expensive. That's a home decorating kind of store that has furniture and expensive knickknacks and stuff. Great if you have the money, but I wouldn't go there for candles. I went to Michael's to load up on decorating stuff for Halloween and fall a couple of weeks ago, and they had most of their stuff at 30-50% off. I'm sure they still have that stuff on sale.

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Edit Reason: forgot "on" in a sentence
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#12484 - 10/10/08 10:51 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Nemesis]
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Cool. I an getting a few bucks tomorrow. I guess i will go check out Michael's. Thanks again Nemesis.
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#12508 - 10/11/08 07:07 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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The shape or construct of a symbol is unimportant.

The power of symbolism is very personal, and has no objective properties.

If you are moved more by the image of an egg floating in water than you are by the image of a flaming baphomet, the prior is the more powerful symbol.
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#12533 - 10/11/08 10:38 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
The shape or construct of a symbol is unimportant.

The power of symbolism is very personal, and has no objective properties.

If you are moved more by the image of an egg floating in water than you are by the image of a flaming baphomet, the prior is the more powerful symbol.
That's a very interesting theory on the whole ritual symbol topic. I like it. This is another theory to back up my theory that something more personal is more powerful than just something that is just archetypal.
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#12537 - 10/11/08 10:57 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: DistroyA]
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Well when I say personal, I mean personally powerful.

If a plastic mass produced skull from walmart draws more of an internally powerful response than say, an authentic hand crafted iron Pentagram that you spent 10 years labouring over (although this is a pretty far fetched example), the prior still holds more power.

YOU give the symbol any power it might have, not vice versa.
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#12538 - 10/11/08 11:03 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Dan_Dread]
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That's very true. Putting love into something, be it love from buying it or from making it yourself, makes it all the more personal to one's self, and therefore, all the more powerful.

We're basically saying the same thing over and over. Heheh. Sorry if I worded my statement wrong at all; when I say something is personal, I mean it would be more powerful if it's personal. Of course, making a ritual symbol yourself does not mean it will be more powerful for you, as it may not appeal to your tastes if it looks wrong.

In all honesty, I'm theorising here, as I've never performed a proper ritual in my life, although I intend to at some point once I have the necessary tools to do so.
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#12539 - 10/11/08 11:10 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: DistroyA]
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 Quote:

In all honesty, I'm theorising here, as I've never performed a proper ritual in my life, although I intend to at some point once I have the necessary tools to do so.

I've done hundreds over the last couple of decades I have called myself Satanist. I can't tell you what works, just what works for me. It's all about how frothed up you can get yourself in the ritual chamber.
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#12542 - 10/11/08 11:51 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Damn. Another good point. Thank you Dan, i didn't think of it like that. That just changes everything i was thinking of doing. I'm not sure what to say at this time. Thanks again Dan.
I do have to say one other thing. The night before, I started writing a song and it turned into me writing a ritual that I felt was more my style. I followed the basics of what Mr. Lavey stated in the SB, But I changed some words around, Added some things I felt would suit me more. And my question to everyone is, Is that OK, Or do I need to just follow the SB straight up. I worked on it for 11 straight hrs and it just felt like what i was doing was right. But sense I am not that experienced in Satanism I dunno if I'm just pushing it cause I'm excited about wanting to do ritual, Or if its truly natural. Any opinion will be most appreciated.
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#12544 - 10/12/08 12:10 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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 Originally Posted By: BloodHorn
Damn. Another good point. Thank you Dan, i didn't think of it like that. That just changes everything i was thinking of doing. I'm not sure what to say at this time. Thanks again Dan.
I do have to say one other thing. The night before, I started writing a song and it turned into me writing a ritual that I felt was more my style. I followed the basics of what Mr. Lavey stated in the SB, But I changed some words around, Added some things I felt would suit me more. And my question to everyone is, Is that OK, Or do I need to just follow the SB straight up. I worked on it for 11 straight hrs and it just felt like what i was doing was right. But sense I am not that experienced in Satanism I dunno if I'm just pushing it cause I'm excited about wanting to do ritual, Or if its truly natural. Any opinion will be most appreciated.


No man, the best ritual is what YOU find to be the most stimulating. The only matter of importance is getting yourself worked up enough for the critical moment in one of the 3 ways, for lust compassion or destruction respectively. The steps in TSB are just a loose guideline, more of an example.
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#12546 - 10/12/08 12:21 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Once again, Thank you Dan. I am hoping to do this ritual next week sometime, If the money coming my way is as much as I think it. Then I can buy the rest of what I need.

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#12579 - 10/12/08 11:38 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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I made my own Sigil of Baphomet, as living in NZ Satanic symbols and tools are not easily come by, and buying off the internet can prove expensive and in some cases disappointing. I find that by making them myself they become the more personal and empowered, just the way I like them. There's something rather satisfying in making your tools and symbols of magick rather than buying them. But then that's just my opinion.
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#14135 - 11/10/08 01:34 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Herne The Hunter]
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In the early days of the Church of Satan, many people made their own Baphomet Altar Plaques. You couldn't go out and just buy them, even at some of the better "occult shops" of the period. I have in my collection one of the original Baphomet medallions from that time. It's crude by today's standards, but it was made by hand by a Satanist who later became a Priest. Back then, each was unique. No two were alike, and you had to put thought into making them... or anything else on your altar or for wearing during a ritual.

Even today, some of the more crafty members of The Church of Satan are building their own altars and decorating them with their own versions of the Sigil of Baphomet, and some of them can be quite striking. I would personally prefer one that I have made for myself, using materials that would mean something to ME and compliment the decor of my chamber.

Of course, if you can get one commercially, there's nothing wrong with that either. I've even seen some quite good ones on EBAY from time to time.
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#14580 - 11/17/08 08:17 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Jake999]
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I'd also add that symbology in ritual, or personal aesthetic, can range from the simple to the elaborate, depending on the individual and their skill. I had someone send me a "hand made wand," once that was a simple oaken twig that he had cut from a specific oak for a specific reason at a specific time... thought went into it, and while it was just an oaken twig, it had meaning.

I've created things as well, sometimes for aesthetics and sometimes for utility and convenience. At a time when I was younger and practicing the rituals of the Church and those of my own group, I found there was a need to find something to cover the opening of the chalice when not in use. I suppose it could be just a piece of cardboard with a Baphomet stamp or some other utilitarian object, but I've always been somewhat of an artist, so I came up with the one below. I've never displayed it anywhere else before...

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#14583 - 11/17/08 11:20 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Jake999]
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thats really very nice, and thanks for sharing it with us.

in the real world it might be different, but here in internet land where its easy to talk the talk, we sometimes neglect the aesthetics.

note to all:
more of this.. less drippy blood and batskulls on your websites \:D

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#14585 - 11/17/08 12:36 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Bacchae]
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Thanks you Bacchae.

I think that a lot of people feel that there has to be a heavy gothic and horror aspect to the whole persona of Satanism, probably because that's all that's been presented in the mainstream media and the whole "satanic rock" look. And while one's personal space should reflect their personality, it seems the "red fang and claw" theme tends to dominate in the minds of many.

It might surprise people to know that in the Black House, there was very little that one could equate to the type of things we see being played up as "satanic decor." Dr. LaVey liked a comfortable house to relax in, do business and entertain, and while there were the famous artifacts, like the tombstone coffee table, the macabre paintings by LaVey, the Satanic themed wall murals in the "kitchen," and of course the famouse black and red ritual chamber, it was hardly "hard core," as we would think of it by today's visual examples.

Blood and gore is a shock value... it works maybe once on the individual who sees it, and then the mind tends quickly to dismiss it; and if used to much, it tends to take on a Halloween decoration feel. Much more effective is the slightly innocuous item that catches the eye in a darkened chamber, or an item whose purpose may not be known, but its ominous presence invites speculation. The idea is in leading the mind, to stir thought and flights of fantasy within the world of reality; bringing thoughts of "what if", rather than "what is." If the aesthetics are too graphic, it often times is like that dig in the rib as the person telling the joke says, "You get it?"
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#14607 - 11/17/08 07:43 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Jake999]
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Very awesome design for that nice-looking... um... cup lid!

I find the whole bats 'n' blood style to be a bit too kitschy for me, but then again that's my own personal taste.

Personally I find a dark take on romantic-gothic, ancient roman, and byzantine visual styles to be an effective mix of aesthetics for me. Something with a more classical and "refined" feel to it, anyway.

But I agree with you that strong visuals should be used sparingly. If they're overused they become boring and ineffective.


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#14609 - 11/17/08 07:47 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Very awesome design for that nice-looking... um... cup lid!


I'm pretty sure the technical name would be "platten," but I won't bet the farm if it's a double jeopardy question.
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#16409 - 12/17/08 07:56 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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 Originally Posted By: BloodHorn

Does anyone know how to home make candles? And would it be cheaper? Black candles are hard to find around here, And when you do find them it is the outer part that is black, The inside is white.



Making your own black candles isn’t worth it. At least if your doing it because of money issues, I looked into it and from what I can tell its messy and somewhat expensive. Eventually I’ll do it just because I like the idea of making my own stuff but I’m strapped for cash right now so I just bought some black candles from the local wika shop. I made my own Baphomet on a large piece of black paper. First I used a lamp shade to make a perfect circle used a ruler to carefully pencil in each line to form the inverted Pentagram, then came the details of the goat (a little off because I’m terrible at drawing) and some white acrylic paint and a little bit of black for some touch ups and I had something to be proud of.
I like your idea of using wood and bone. As soon as spring comes I’ll get started on my own!

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#28972 - 08/28/09 12:23 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: RAMONE]
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Making candles is actually cheap you have to look for the stuff worth buying though. The additives are woth it makes the wax burn alot slower. Also if you look at how much it costs for such and suck amount of wax in X candles it's much cheaper. Fourty dollars would buy you enough to last you long enough to burn a candle every day for a year and a half (prices based on the last time I made any candles, which is about 4 years ago).
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#29959 - 09/22/09 08:49 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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Hello,

It would seem a little more pagan in nature, but one would have to consider the ritual environment that they are trying to arouse before fixing themself on a sigil...

Often the most basic of materials can create some of the most powerful objects... the reasoning is hard to pinpoint but rests in shamanistic sympathetic magicks...

The primal self is engaged in these very natural objects to take the world of theism and advancing star-gazed (Harmonic Convergence....) ideas and smashing them. This allows the ancient/nuclear self to find the veins of memory that have distinguished themselves for several millions of years.... Natural Anchor... possibly even to allow the mind to develop a "ground(ing) floor," that could then allow you to elevate to a greater reahlm of mind, then if so to choose find a new sigil that allows this new world to be summoned into the life that you choose to create.


Edited by lunir (09/22/09 09:31 PM)
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#29963 - 09/22/09 10:30 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: lunir]
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I never actually had what I would call a Satanic Alter, and I still don't. I kind of left everything all over the place. I used to have posters I made, inverted pentagrams, bad art etc all over the walls of my apartment.
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#29984 - 09/23/09 09:32 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Jastiv]
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Are you a solitary Practitioner?

Do you have a witch?

In the ideas of "building one" (quoted only because She should be warmer...) Raymond Buckland, Wicca, has a book 'Buckland's Complete Book of Witchcraft.' In it he gives specific details to building an altar... keep in mind his altar specifications are dedicated to Dietal Worship and reflect that in their design... I once considered a Hexagonal Altar the point of whych was to symbolize the Star of the Great Chalice lobbed and risen to the "whomb of Men" I think that it would work fine...

On a second note/thought determine first what you are having your altar direct it's forces to before you determine what it should look like....
Know thyself and begin.
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#29994 - 09/24/09 10:45 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: lunir]
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Are you at the right place? This is a Modern Satanism site. Not a Wiccan site. We don't have "wyches" here, unless they are the sexy, Satanic types as described in the _The Compleat Witch_. We don't do "Circles of Eight, Star Chalices, or "whombs of men.

Be prepared to get little respect here.
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#29998 - 09/24/09 07:17 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: fakepropht]
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I did not mean to bring any offense and for that I am sorry.

I feel that Magic is a collective knowledge, feeding one into the occult and one should take from what empowers their awakening self of power.

As for the whomb of men it is the whomb that you came from, and the only reason for your ability to now do magic.

The star chalice is of the teachings of Aleister Crowley and the eye of the God form of Man...
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#30002 - 09/24/09 08:59 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: lunir]
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Oh give me a fucking break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It's spelled WOMB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND YOU ARE BORN OF A WOMAN ASSHOLE!!!!!!!

As you were told before, you just might be in the wrong place.

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#30039 - 09/25/09 05:52 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Morgan]
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Hello again all,

I don't think there is anything wrong with the things you can buy commercially, but I absolutely love home made stuff.

Speaking of which, My special lady aand I have made these standards for an outdoor revel we have planned for this October.



If anyone else has any homemade altar pieces they would like to share, I would love to see them.

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#30077 - 09/26/09 05:30 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: mattie]
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Those look really good. Are they screen-print or did you use some other medium?
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#30080 - 09/27/09 02:01 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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That's funny, because I had no problems with those per se; it was the rings and the Pentagram that I had most trouble with. Thing is, if something needs to be exact, I won't be satisfied until it's exact. The Hebrew characters and the goat's head wasn't an issue here, as the results resemble what I wanted them to anyway.


Speaking of the Hebrew Symbols on the Sigil. What do they stand for?

There is an alternative sigil and rather than the hebrew characters it's letters that spell out Satan.


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#30108 - 09/27/09 01:35 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: mattie]
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Those are awesome banners! I would like to know too if they were painted/screenprinted/etc.

I'm actually in the process of putting together my first "official" standalone altar, so I'll put pics up soon.
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#30116 - 09/27/09 05:11 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: The Zebu]
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Thanks, I'm glad you folks like them.

A screen is a lot of work for a single piece, so for these I mixed one part acrylic paint to one part textile medium and hand painted them.

To get the proportions right, I took a bit of string equal in length to the radius of the circle I wanted, and tacked it in the center.

Zebu, I would very much like to see that when you get it done.

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#30137 - 09/28/09 06:57 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
[quote=Nemesis]I would also think that using antler or bone would add some nice "earthy" touches, as well as giving an eccentric/bizarre/macabre feel to the piece.
That's actually quite an idea. Of course, it would depend on one's personal preference really, but there ya go. \:\) [/quote

Zing! I've incorporated the skeletal remains (death by natural causes, I assure you) of a couple of coyotes, with two skulls on either side of my altar, a few leg bones hanging off the side, and so forth.

Macabre, indeed!
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#30170 - 09/29/09 05:06 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: Gemini]
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Pics or it didn't happen.
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#30461 - 10/12/09 09:18 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: The Zebu]
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So I finally got my seal made for my altar....

Check it:


Goat skull I got my hands on:


Modest, but it's my first shot.
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#30462 - 10/12/09 09:51 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: The Zebu]
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Zebu, I am seriously impressed.

How did you make your sigil for the altar? Is that cardboard...plywood? Inquiring minds want to know.

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#30463 - 10/12/09 10:19 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BelialsGal]
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CROM! That is pretty sweet, Zebu. I really like your sigil design. I am also really curious how you made it. Also, what do the symbols mean and where did they come from?
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#30464 - 10/12/09 10:39 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: mattie]
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Thanks! I actually drew it in Flash, then got it printed on thick cardstock, and mounted it on black-painted basswood.

There are a total of four symbols. They're all of my own design, save for the standard Pythagorean Pentagram in the center:

Cross: On the left, it represents baneful forces and destruction, and therefore restores the Roman cross to its proper context as a symbol of death.

Chalice: On the right, it symbolizes life and regenerative forces, resembling at once a grail and an ankh.

Baphemetic Arms - (Crosslet, Down at the bottom, hard to see): Symbolizes eternity, unity of life and death / manifestation of sorcerous power / other lofty-sounding mumbo-jumbo

Averse Pentagram (Center) - Represents magic, the Great Work, and the LHP as a whole.
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#30490 - 10/14/09 02:18 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: The Zebu]
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Haha, one always needs some good "lofty-sounding mumbo-jumbo" in their descriptions.

That sounds like a good method, and the results are quite impressive. I'm gettin' all inspired now!

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#32599 - 12/06/09 08:58 PM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: BloodHorn]
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Any personal energy you put into your altar, sigil, or meditation will not only make it personal but improve your magickal results.
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#32607 - 12/07/09 12:49 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: bwillis73]
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Personal energy? I have heard of potential, thermal, kinetic, gravitational, sound, light, elastic, and electromagnetic energy. Never have I heard of "personal energy". Energy is just a way of describing the amount of work that can be done by a force. That being the case I can't really see what you are getting at here.

Maybe you are talking about the amount "energy" put into the actual physical act of making the altar, sigil etc. If so you are saying that a DYI altar, sigil etc is more effective than an altar you buy at Wal Mart. If that is what you are saying then by that same logic if make my own Ouija board, putting "personal energy" into it I should have better luck contacting the dead than with the one Parker Brothers had to offer.

I don't think that is what you are getting at though. I think you are trying to say that it is somehow possible to "charge" an altar or whatever with some sort of "energy" to "improve your magickal results."

Sounds like bullshit mysticism to me.
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#32609 - 12/07/09 02:45 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Personal Energy: The energy that resides within you and is emanated from your body. Psychics see this energy as your aura.

New Age? Maybe. Too me personal energy is the act of doing, creating, becomming. This act as is considered personal energy. When you say to someone that a handmade gift is more special to you then a gift from a store, this is because they put there time, feelings, and love into the crafting of this gift. Same to me is magick, a sigil made by one person would have alot more meaning to him or her than a sigil purchased at some newage shop. This is just my feelings on the matter. Just to let everyone know my altar is both DIY and Store bought.
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#32612 - 12/07/09 04:09 AM Re: A thought on home made symbols [Re: bwillis73]
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 Originally Posted By: bwillis73
Personal Energy: The energy that resides within you and is emanated from your body. Psychics see this energy as your aura.


What is the "energy" that you are talking about?

You should probably lay off the Sylvia Brown before you go completely brain dead.
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