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#12851 - 10/19/08 11:07 AM U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite
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What a surprise, this being prosecuted in Rome of all places:

ROME, Italy (AP) -- Italian prosecutors Saturday accused an American student of fatally stabbing her British house mate in a Satanic rite and asked a court to put an alleged African accomplice in prison for life, defense lawyers said.

Prosecutors "alleged it was some kind of Satanic rite, with Amanda allegedly first touching Meredith with the point of a knife, then slitting her throat, while Sollecito held her by the shoulders, from behind, Guede held her by an arm" and tried to sexually penetrate her, Maori said.


Full article on CNN

These people were probably into the Goth scene, and anyone who didn't know better would call "Goth" decorations and dress "Satanic". Italians are a bunch of ignorant pricks when it comes to alternative lifestyles, so it's no surprise that they would try to establish a connection between a murder and what they fear so much.
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#12852 - 10/19/08 11:21 AM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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What is there that could possibly connect this to Satanism? It's like they automatically assume that every out-of-the-ordinary crime is part of a "Satanic rite".

It's disturbing that Italy has seen a rapid growth of these kinds of allegations, especially around Rome. And having a bunch of ignorant clergy insisting that there's some kind of secret underground Satanic Order behind it all isn't helping.

And of course, there's our lovely news media jumping the gun and slapping the big S-word in the headlines even though no real correlation has been drawn to the crime. Way to go, bud.
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#12855 - 10/19/08 11:46 AM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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It was only a matter of time. The media is reviving their old scapegoat!
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#12856 - 10/19/08 11:52 AM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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There is, of course, a third side to this.

Real Satanism, of course has nothing to do with any of the ritual murder, goat sacrifice, or any of that other nonsense they would tack onto us, but that is hardly common knowledge.

Were the casual observer to try to ascertain what Satanism was using the internet, they may just conclude that we are, indeed , as they try to paint us. Sites like the 'joy of satan' and hundreds of other moronic teenage angst filled devil worshiping nonsense by far outweigh the select few that contain anything useful.

And of course, lets not forget that the word 'satan' gets its power BECAUSE they use it as their bogeyman. They will continue to blame all the ills of the world on Satan until time ends or they do.
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#12860 - 10/19/08 12:12 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Dan_Dread]
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The word satanic technically does refer to any sect of Satanism, no matter which you follow. It seems like any ... ermm.. religious organization that wants will call its self satanic. That is why I make sure to say i am Laveyan Satanist. The Devil worshipers need a new name, why not call them Devil worshipers, ehh media?

I was quite angry when I saw something similar in a local news broadcast. A few months back there was a story about a man who bought a couple thousand dollars worth of animals for (as the newscaster put it) a satanic ritual. I mean i do live in an area full of religious rednecks, but the news reinforced the close minded religious beliefs of the people.

Could we eventually have a world where i can read my Satanic Bible on my work break without being hassled, while other people read their christian bible and get extra tips from the bible brained patrons?
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#12861 - 10/19/08 12:19 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Phaethon]
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 Quote:

Could we eventually have a world where i can read my Satanic Bible on my work break without being hassled, while other people read their christian bible and get extra tips from the bible brained patrons?

Well, no.

The belief in mandated 'good and evil' isn't going anywhere.

The real Satanist would be visibly reading the christian bible and getting the extra tips ;\)
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#12863 - 10/19/08 12:27 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Or they could put their SB inside a New Testament slip cover ;\) Your coworkers would marvel at your piety!

Or they could upload an audio version to their mp3 player and listen to it.
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#12864 - 10/19/08 01:17 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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I would be ok if people wouldn't make such a fuss about it. My friend almost got fired from a dairy queen because some people complained about him reading the Satanic Bible on his work break.
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#12870 - 10/19/08 02:01 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Phaethon
I would be ok if people wouldn't make such a fuss about it. My friend almost got fired from a dairy queen because some people complained about him reading the satanic bible on his work break.

I would sue is someone did that to me.
My grandpa has a very good lawyer. Dosent the law state they cannot discriminate against religious beliefs
 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Or they could put their SB inside a New Testament slip cover ;\) Your coworkers would marvel at your piety!

Or they could upload an audio version to their mp3 player and listen to it.

2 very good idea Nemesis. The audio would be best I think.
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#12873 - 10/19/08 02:32 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: BloodHorn]
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Actually I'm certain many people would agree with the contents of our "holy book". And it's always entertaining to see their reaction when they realize that they just agreed with Satanism.
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#12876 - 10/19/08 04:04 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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I just read the article and it reeks of foul play. The PROSECUTION alleged it was satanic. Never did anyone say or admit to it being so. It is possible, even likely, that the very officers responsible for responding to the situation are total jesus freaks. There are countless examples showing that interrogation does not work. Eventually people are going to break down and admit to something they did not do. It happens all the time. Words get twisted and minds warped from hours of interrogation. This is total crap and typical at best.
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#12881 - 10/19/08 04:34 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: blsk]
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Let's make sure we understand all sides of the story before making sweeping judgment calls on this. Italy has had a lot of trouble over the past decade or two with heinous crimes being perpetrated by people calling themselves Satanists.

Sister Maria Laura Mainetti, a Catholic nun from Sondrio, Italy, was stabbed to death by three women in June of 2000. These women initially claimed that the incident was a prank gone wrong, but later confessed to trying to make a sacrifice to Satan.

Father Giorgio Govoni, a catholic priest in Mirandola, Italy, was accused in 1997 of molesting several young children while performing Satanic rites, and was later charged with leading a group of pedophiliac satanists.

Several other Satanic organizations in Italy have come under close scrutiny for various alleged crimes including Bambini di Satana, Chiesa di Satana, and the infamous Beasts of Satan who murdered three people between 1998 and 2004.

Certainly, we must approach such allegations reported by the media with skepticism, however, it is a simple fact that Italy has had more than its fair share of crime in the name of Satan. They are likely best suited to identify Satanic crime than any other western country. Let's be careful that we understand the details before we go running off to defend our "Satanic" brothers and sisters.

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#12989 - 10/20/08 09:42 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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I have never heard of any Satanic rite like that, fucking posers.

when you think about it, Italians are nothing but French Mexicans
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#13132 - 10/21/08 06:42 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Yes, obviously Satanism does have its fair share of nutjobs like any religion. But they are exceedingly rare. The unfortunate incident with the nun is one instance. The one with the priest supposedly leading a group of pedophile satanists, however, was proven false. (It was another "recovered memories" hysteria fit.)

I'm not "defending" them; if they did commit murder, they clearly do not deserve to live. But if you're going to be putting something like "HOUSEMATE KILLED IN SATANIC RITE" in the headlines, you're going to need some proof. The article provided plenty of proof linking the accused to the murder, but didn't even mention Satanism other than in passing that they were accused of it.

In this case, they presented absolutely no link to the allegation of Satanism. I recently saw a news report online about this incident, and they didn't even mention the word "Satanism" or suggest anything ritualistic about it. The motive they suggested was a simple quarrel of some sort, which is most likely the truth.



Edited by The Zebu (10/21/08 06:43 PM)
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#13154 - 10/21/08 08:45 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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I say good. They got what they wanted. They made the devil and they can die by his hand. If "god" isn't willing to protect his people from such an attack by the adversary than what good is he? They are in a better place ;\)
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