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#12851 - 10/19/08 11:07 AM U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite
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What a surprise, this being prosecuted in Rome of all places:

ROME, Italy (AP) -- Italian prosecutors Saturday accused an American student of fatally stabbing her British house mate in a Satanic rite and asked a court to put an alleged African accomplice in prison for life, defense lawyers said.

Prosecutors "alleged it was some kind of Satanic rite, with Amanda allegedly first touching Meredith with the point of a knife, then slitting her throat, while Sollecito held her by the shoulders, from behind, Guede held her by an arm" and tried to sexually penetrate her, Maori said.


Full article on CNN

These people were probably into the Goth scene, and anyone who didn't know better would call "Goth" decorations and dress "Satanic". Italians are a bunch of ignorant pricks when it comes to alternative lifestyles, so it's no surprise that they would try to establish a connection between a murder and what they fear so much.
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#12852 - 10/19/08 11:21 AM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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What is there that could possibly connect this to Satanism? It's like they automatically assume that every out-of-the-ordinary crime is part of a "Satanic rite".

It's disturbing that Italy has seen a rapid growth of these kinds of allegations, especially around Rome. And having a bunch of ignorant clergy insisting that there's some kind of secret underground Satanic Order behind it all isn't helping.

And of course, there's our lovely news media jumping the gun and slapping the big S-word in the headlines even though no real correlation has been drawn to the crime. Way to go, bud.
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#12855 - 10/19/08 11:46 AM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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It was only a matter of time. The media is reviving their old scapegoat!
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#12856 - 10/19/08 11:52 AM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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There is, of course, a third side to this.

Real Satanism, of course has nothing to do with any of the ritual murder, goat sacrifice, or any of that other nonsense they would tack onto us, but that is hardly common knowledge.

Were the casual observer to try to ascertain what Satanism was using the internet, they may just conclude that we are, indeed , as they try to paint us. Sites like the 'joy of satan' and hundreds of other moronic teenage angst filled devil worshiping nonsense by far outweigh the select few that contain anything useful.

And of course, lets not forget that the word 'satan' gets its power BECAUSE they use it as their bogeyman. They will continue to blame all the ills of the world on Satan until time ends or they do.
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#12860 - 10/19/08 12:12 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Dan_Dread]
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The word satanic technically does refer to any sect of Satanism, no matter which you follow. It seems like any ... ermm.. religious organization that wants will call its self satanic. That is why I make sure to say i am Laveyan Satanist. The Devil worshipers need a new name, why not call them Devil worshipers, ehh media?

I was quite angry when I saw something similar in a local news broadcast. A few months back there was a story about a man who bought a couple thousand dollars worth of animals for (as the newscaster put it) a satanic ritual. I mean i do live in an area full of religious rednecks, but the news reinforced the close minded religious beliefs of the people.

Could we eventually have a world where i can read my Satanic Bible on my work break without being hassled, while other people read their christian bible and get extra tips from the bible brained patrons?
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#12861 - 10/19/08 12:19 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Phaethon]
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 Quote:

Could we eventually have a world where i can read my Satanic Bible on my work break without being hassled, while other people read their christian bible and get extra tips from the bible brained patrons?

Well, no.

The belief in mandated 'good and evil' isn't going anywhere.

The real Satanist would be visibly reading the christian bible and getting the extra tips ;\)
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#12863 - 10/19/08 12:27 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Or they could put their SB inside a New Testament slip cover ;\) Your coworkers would marvel at your piety!

Or they could upload an audio version to their mp3 player and listen to it.
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#12864 - 10/19/08 01:17 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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I would be ok if people wouldn't make such a fuss about it. My friend almost got fired from a dairy queen because some people complained about him reading the Satanic Bible on his work break.
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#12870 - 10/19/08 02:01 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Phaethon
I would be ok if people wouldn't make such a fuss about it. My friend almost got fired from a dairy queen because some people complained about him reading the satanic bible on his work break.

I would sue is someone did that to me.
My grandpa has a very good lawyer. Dosent the law state they cannot discriminate against religious beliefs
 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Or they could put their SB inside a New Testament slip cover ;\) Your coworkers would marvel at your piety!

Or they could upload an audio version to their mp3 player and listen to it.

2 very good idea Nemesis. The audio would be best I think.
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#12873 - 10/19/08 02:32 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: BloodHorn]
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Actually I'm certain many people would agree with the contents of our "holy book". And it's always entertaining to see their reaction when they realize that they just agreed with Satanism.
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#12876 - 10/19/08 04:04 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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I just read the article and it reeks of foul play. The PROSECUTION alleged it was satanic. Never did anyone say or admit to it being so. It is possible, even likely, that the very officers responsible for responding to the situation are total jesus freaks. There are countless examples showing that interrogation does not work. Eventually people are going to break down and admit to something they did not do. It happens all the time. Words get twisted and minds warped from hours of interrogation. This is total crap and typical at best.
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#12881 - 10/19/08 04:34 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: blsk]
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Let's make sure we understand all sides of the story before making sweeping judgment calls on this. Italy has had a lot of trouble over the past decade or two with heinous crimes being perpetrated by people calling themselves Satanists.

Sister Maria Laura Mainetti, a Catholic nun from Sondrio, Italy, was stabbed to death by three women in June of 2000. These women initially claimed that the incident was a prank gone wrong, but later confessed to trying to make a sacrifice to Satan.

Father Giorgio Govoni, a catholic priest in Mirandola, Italy, was accused in 1997 of molesting several young children while performing Satanic rites, and was later charged with leading a group of pedophiliac satanists.

Several other Satanic organizations in Italy have come under close scrutiny for various alleged crimes including Bambini di Satana, Chiesa di Satana, and the infamous Beasts of Satan who murdered three people between 1998 and 2004.

Certainly, we must approach such allegations reported by the media with skepticism, however, it is a simple fact that Italy has had more than its fair share of crime in the name of Satan. They are likely best suited to identify Satanic crime than any other western country. Let's be careful that we understand the details before we go running off to defend our "Satanic" brothers and sisters.

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#12989 - 10/20/08 09:42 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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I have never heard of any Satanic rite like that, fucking posers.

when you think about it, Italians are nothing but French Mexicans
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#13132 - 10/21/08 06:42 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Yes, obviously Satanism does have its fair share of nutjobs like any religion. But they are exceedingly rare. The unfortunate incident with the nun is one instance. The one with the priest supposedly leading a group of pedophile satanists, however, was proven false. (It was another "recovered memories" hysteria fit.)

I'm not "defending" them; if they did commit murder, they clearly do not deserve to live. But if you're going to be putting something like "HOUSEMATE KILLED IN SATANIC RITE" in the headlines, you're going to need some proof. The article provided plenty of proof linking the accused to the murder, but didn't even mention Satanism other than in passing that they were accused of it.

In this case, they presented absolutely no link to the allegation of Satanism. I recently saw a news report online about this incident, and they didn't even mention the word "Satanism" or suggest anything ritualistic about it. The motive they suggested was a simple quarrel of some sort, which is most likely the truth.



Edited by The Zebu (10/21/08 06:43 PM)
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#13154 - 10/21/08 08:45 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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I say good. They got what they wanted. They made the devil and they can die by his hand. If "god" isn't willing to protect his people from such an attack by the adversary than what good is he? They are in a better place ;\)
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#13228 - 10/22/08 02:37 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
It was only a matter of time. The media is reviving their old scapegoat!


You know? I think I would agree with you on that. The knife used could have been a fancy letter opener and they probably would have jumped to conclusions. This is one issue I have with self-Styled Satanism, they give all Satanist a bad rap when they do stupid shit like copy a ritual from a "B" movie horror flick.
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#13353 - 10/23/08 07:07 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: BlacKAcRE66]
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From what I remember this happened months ago.
Some love/rejection/rough sex/rape/murder triangle.

The Satanism angle is new.
Maybe just another way to blame america as the great satan, since the killer came from here.

I guess since the innocent plea isn't working, maybe she is agreeing to the satan made me do it defense?

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#13355 - 10/23/08 07:29 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
From what I remember this happened months ago.
Some love/rejection/rough sex/rape/murder triangle.

The Satanism angle is new.
Maybe just another way to blame america as the great satan, since the killer came from here.

I guess since the innocent plea isn't working, maybe she is agreeing to the satan made me do it defense?

Morgan


I heard that more people get their cases thrown out if they say "God told me to do it"
Richard Ramirez said Hail Satan in the court room and he is still locked up...I guess Satan was not in agreement. That goes to show that Satanism is not about being a delinquent idiot.


Edited by BlacKAcRE66 (10/23/08 07:41 PM)
Edit Reason: Vocabulary usage
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#13574 - 10/28/08 12:47 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: BloodHorn]
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[quote=BloodHorn Dosent the law state they cannot discriminate against religious beliefs
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Yes but the technicality you would have a problem with is that Satanism isn't a recognized religion by the United States congress atleast that is how it was explained to me when I brought up the idea of sueing a workplace a while back when having a chat with their E.O. However the loophole you could use is that Satanism falls under a creed or way of life as the E.O. put it and sue for discrimination against creed as long as it is stated in their E.O. policy about not discriminating against creed.
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#13585 - 10/28/08 05:55 PM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: Ringmaster]
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Satanism is legally recognized in the US. Many Satanic priests of different organizations are legally registered clergy with marriage licenses.(The Army Chaplain's Handbook also includes an overview of Satanism in descriptions of how to accommodate soldiers of various other faiths)

So far the general public is aware that Satanism exists, but are still ignorant about its' true nature despite how easily accessible the information is. (You can find published studies of alternate religions or a copy of the Satanic Bible in most bookstores... or even just typing "Satanism" into wikipedia will give you a fairly accurate representation of our religion)

However most people are ignorant about religion in general, and some are fearful of reading anything "Satanic" for fear that it might endanger their brittle faith (just one example of how Christianity coddles peoples' securities at the expense of intellectual honesty) so they are willing to buy into these kinds of sensationalist portrayals of "tabloid Satanism".
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#16865 - 12/25/08 12:06 AM Re: U.S. student killed housemate in Satanic rite [Re: The Zebu]
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You said it all in a nutshell Zebu, couldn't have said it any better myself.

I think the media are too quick to pigeonhole alot of bizarre murders etc on all things satanic because its a huge drawcard to the masses who secretly get off on being scared, and just LOVE reading about that sort of shit. 9 times out of 10, the real story that eventually comes to light isn't nearly as newsworthy as it would have been if the satanic aspect hadn't come into play.

The vast majority of those who swim in a sea of ignorance where genuine Satanism is concerned don't want to read up on the subject- knowledge would dissapate their delicious fear of "those evil satanists" and take away their scapegoat for all things "evil and unexplained"
While the public continue to adhere to this outlook, the media will keep throwing up their pseudo-satanic bullshit to cater to their masochistic appetites.
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