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#6369 - 03/25/08 05:39 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I dispise the reason to worship the holiday, but I do like the overall meaning behind it. You get together with family and friends, some that you rarely ever get to be with, and enjoy a party, give and recieve gifts, and have some decent fun. I see it as a day to let go and indulge in over eating, drinking and what have ya. Its a good day. But I perfer to enjoy myself at a cousins house and have a party, rather than loathing the day and not doing a damn thing.
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#6378 - 03/25/08 07:37 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Pan420]
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I was going to mention Yule but figured everyone else here pretty much knows about it. For the past few years I've celebrated on that day. And if I felt like giving a gift to someone such as my girlfriend, I do it on that day, not on Xmas. People who know me thought it was weird at first, and complained. But I just told them they celebrate what they want how they want, I'll do it my way. Of course the ones getting something didn't complain. Lol.

But yah, I like the whole idea behind Yule and much prefer it to actually celebrating Xmas. The fact that the idea of Xmas was taken from Pagan traditions, I must admit turns me away from the idea of celebrating Xmas as well.
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#6431 - 03/26/08 04:59 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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i made up this quote in math class on 3/26/08
"we are all trapped in our own evil world when conscience leaves us to die" so an evil xmas does just that cuz u get knocked up COOL


Edited by darkling (03/26/08 05:00 PM)
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#6494 - 03/27/08 06:33 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: darkling]
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I celebrate Xmas out of respect for my mother and family. It's a very important holiday for them and though it does not necessarily fall into my belief structure it is important for me to respect those who in turn respect me and my beliefs as she does.

I do not see the harm in celebrating Xmas. It was originally a pagan holiday just like easter, and Christianized to make conversion easier and has further been commercialized. The Jolly Fat Man as children know him was invented by the Coca Cola Company. Essentially, minus the church services, the way Xmas is celebrated today is a holiday of materialism, a holiday of the earth.

People get together, drink, act merry or whatever, see friends and family that they likely haven't seen for the better part of the year, exchange gifts, etc. The Christian undertones of Xmas may hold true during mass but outside, in the world, Xmas is about as Satanic as a holiday gets.

Walk into a store a week before Xmas, or better yet on Xmas eve and what will you see. People, Alot of damn people, scramming to grab gifts, fighting with each other for these material items, everyone is out for their own and their own family. They have their own agenda and no one, not anyone will get in the way of said agenda. The term Merry Christmas is no longer accepted in most public places, with happy holidays being used instead. And Jesus is quickly forgotten as one races that lady in the hover round for the last PS3, possibly prepared to go as far as to knock her out of said scooter in order to get it, just as she probably would sooner crush your feet than submit that item to you.

Jesus no longer reigns over this holiday, Materialism and the Now are its new masters.
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#6500 - 03/27/08 07:59 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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Myself, I refuse to celebrate it. The way I look at it, I'm not a xtian so why would I celebrate a xtian holiday? If I'm going to celebrate it, I may as well celebrate Hanukah and Kwanzaa as well. It all amounts to the same damn thing. They are holidays from religions different from mine so in my eyes why celebrate them?
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#6504 - 03/27/08 08:46 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: The Blackangel]
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but why denie your self that fun and getting together with family and friends just because Santa was supposedly born on that day .the xian ideals have long since left xmas its about santa,spending time with family, and presents. long dead is merry Christmas it has be replaced with happy holidays and so on. to let a religion dictate what you can and cannot enjoy is just fucked in my views.
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#7346 - 04/06/08 10:31 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: The Blackangel]
Nyarlathotep2012 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
Myself, I refuse to celebrate it. The way I look at it, I'm not a xtian so why would I celebrate a xtian holiday? If I'm going to celebrate it, I may as well celebrate Hanukah and Kwanzaa as well. It all amounts to the same damn thing. They are holidays from religions different from mine so in my eyes why celebrate them?



But isn't one of the marvelous things about Satanism the fact that we can use and adapt many different philosophies from many different religions as opposed to being stuck in a rigid dogma such as with Christianity. So if I saw it fit, and it pleased me I could celebrate Xmas, Kwanzaa and Hanukkah back to back and not be confined into only celebrating one of these holidays and there be no "guilt" or "sin" on my part, whereas in Christianity one could only celebrate Xmas, and there would be a certain level of guilt or a belief that one had sinned if they where to celebrate one of these others.

Could it not be seen as an ultimate offense to the xtians for us to take part in this holiday. That a Satanist would have the gal to take part in their precious lord and saviors birthday and even manipulate the holiday into their own.
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#7363 - 04/07/08 02:59 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Nyarlathotep2012]
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I get into it for a number of reasons. I think that it has evolved over time into a celebration of childishness and children. To me, it's a pagan festival, and it seems that everyone I know can get together and be nice to each other, unlike the rest of the year. When I was a kid, xmas was about the only time my disfunctional family acted like normal people. Less beatings and shouting matches and whatnot. So now when it comes around I try to look at it from the same point that I had as a kid, when Santa and his reindeer were real, and grown-ups were nice and gave you stuff, and you ate treat foods that you never had the rest of the year.

on the other hand...

I think it's disappointing the amount of overblown consumerism that's overtaken the holiday. It's like an enforced "gift of choice" day for children and certainly for a lot of people. As soon as you look at xmas like that, as a financial burden, and not as a time of relaxation and good vibes, its been broken. I also really dislike false good cheer and fake emotions. I don't feel the need to be nice to the people that shat me through the year. They get the usual treatment.

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#7760 - 04/15/08 04:54 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: rob_church]
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 Originally Posted By: rob_church
but why denie your self that fun and getting together with family and friends just because Santa was supposedly born on that day .the xian ideals have long since left xmas its about santa,spending time with family, and presents. long dead is merry Christmas it has be replaced with happy holidays and so on. to let a religion dictate what you can and cannot enjoy is just fucked in my views.



I don't feel that I'm denying myself anything. In my view, I'm relieving myself from having to deal with the worthless bastards. If I was to celebrate it, then in my eyes it would hipocracy. That is simply because of how strong my hatred for xtians is.
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#7764 - 04/15/08 07:04 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: The Blackangel]
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my stance is this... I personally don't look at x-mas as a holiday, but my family does. They wish to spend time with everyone including me, so i respect that wish being that they are my family and they have earned the privilage and the respect for me to do so. and who the fuck can't accept free shit????? I personally take xmas as a time to relaxe (if i get the day off for it) and enjoy spending time with friends and family.
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#9503 - 06/10/08 09:49 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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It's kinda like when I showed up at the offce one year for Presidents day and I didn't know it. The office was closed, so I turned around and went home. I had a nice day off, but didn't find out why until the next day at work!! Such as chrstmas, I love the party.. the festivity. The reason could be or not be... I just think take it as it comes and njoy the ride !!
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#9505 - 06/10/08 10:40 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: doctorsaige]
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I myself celebrate it, not for the xtian bullshit, but for family bonding and whatnot. I think what Nyarlathotep2012 said about xmas being not a xtian holliday, but a material day is absolutly 100% correct. I mean its all about who gets the best and newest gift. I also go along with the holdiay for my grandmother and close familys sake, especially last year since i come from a big family the death of my grandfather through off the whole swing of things. Yeah I think that last statment was pretty random. THanks for reading if you did.

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#9543 - 06/12/08 07:48 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: JohnTurk]
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Seems a great deal of people, celebrate Xmas for the fact of closeness to family and out of respect. Although I respect that, personally my family and close-ones all know my stance. They do not expect any celebration on me. I will wish them happy holidays, I'll drop by the house for a bit while they celebrate, etc. But I won't get all into it and buy everyone presents and begin to be any nicer. This is my opinion that I apply to my life though. I have no negative feelings on how anyone else runs there lives, I find it fine for anyone to do what they wish.


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#11388 - 09/11/08 08:53 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I kinda envy the Jews on this point.They get like 10 days of getting gifts.And we thought They had it bad,try shopping for people for ten days worth of gifts.No wonder their considered to be hoarders,(stereotypicly speaking).A little off topic.

Edited by napalm (09/11/08 08:59 AM)

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#11389 - 09/11/08 09:23 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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 Originally Posted By: Samuel Satanas
So Xmas, we know it is derived from a pagan festival- the Winter Solstice which falls on the 21st of December which was hijacked by the xtains, but who amongst us celebrates or does what around this month of december? Gifts, cards and toys for the boys? Or a true boycott of the whole tedious hyped up holiday season?


I humor the gift giving. I do no decoration. It was hijacked by Xtians but commercialized to such a degree it's nothing anymore.

Even the Grinch, which has always been a 20 min show has been edited to make more room for commercials. Songs on Rudolf have been rewritten into shorter songs to make room for commercials.

The Grinch and Charlie Brown, two of the first Christmas shows prophesizing the commercialism of Christmas and nobody caught it.

They were written over 40 years ago, "Christians" still haven't got the message.

Santa said it best in South Park when Jesus died in Iraq. "Christmas is now about Jesus" as though it never was.

Still isn't. Quite honestly, it never was, so it serves them right. Can't "lose" what doesn't belong to you.

So yeah... The gift-giving I take part in. I buy presents for some, namely those closest to me and that's about it.

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