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#12511 - 10/11/08 07:38 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I've gotten a lot of crap from my daughters biological side of the family about not celebrating Christmas as the birth of Christ and so on

You should(if you don't allready know)look up the details in the birth of "christ" and inform that side of the family that he in fact was not born in winter and express the appreciation their "god" must feel in taking the childrens focus off "gods" son and himself and putting it on a fat man bent on the indulgence of materialism lol.

I have to side with Destroya and Arkham on this one. Should I soo strongly feel the need to gift give I will do it when it is a finacially responsable time to do so. The only reason I will gather at that time is simply because everyone has the time off. Other than that, just another day. (marketing scam)
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#12514 - 10/11/08 07:45 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: blsk]
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Why fight against what is when you could just as easily utilize it?

As for the birth of christ...
..who?

Might as well celebrate the birth of Gandalf or Captain America.
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#12656 - 10/14/08 05:52 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I dig any excuse to have a party, summer solstice birthdays shitmas it's all the same.
Food Drink Nookie all in copious amounts is a winner at anytime of the year.
I Want some of that wrapping paper!
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#12657 - 10/14/08 05:55 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: AnOpenHand]
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Hell ya. Nothing beats a good party.
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#14050 - 11/07/08 10:57 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: BloodHorn]
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The first night I met Anton LaVey was around Christmas time in San Francisco. I was met at a rendezvous point by the outgoing Administrator who told me we were going to go "into the city," and that I should follow her. She drove like she was being chased by a tax collector, and we wove through the city, eventually stopping at the Grosvenor Hotel on VanNess. As we walked through the lobby of the hotel, it struck me as ironic that I was going to meet The High Priest of the Church of Satan and there was a white Christmas tree with all white lights blazing downstairs in the lobby.

It was all business that night as he was interviewing me for a position on his staff. But later, again around that same time of the year, I vividly remember our one conversation about the year.

He said, "Jake, if we got into the car and drove to your house, would there be any Christmas decorations?"

I was a little shocked at the question, but I answered honestly, "Absolutely not, Boss."

He nodded and muttered, "Good, good." Then he said, "You see all of the letters we get where people damn this and damn that about Christmas, and for all intent and purpose, they're Satan's emmisaries on earth... on paper. But I've had this fantasy about gathering up the most gung ho Satanist letters and climbing into the limo with a couple of the staff members for a little visit to their homes on Christmas Eve. If their homes were devoid of Christmas decorations, we'd knock on the door and present them with an autographed Satanic Bible or some other gift. If there were, we'd knock on the door and shoot them where they stood." He hated people who took the devil's name, paid lip service, then went into full retreat during the holidays.

Around LaVey and indeed with me, it was just another day. I give it no thought except that it's a season when you have to make damned sure you have enough food in the house, because you won't be able to get food in any restaurant.

I'm not that stringent. I don't have to look into the mirrors of people who are "Satan's emmisaries on earth" 364 days out of the year and dine with the flock on the 365th. I believe that we, as Satanists of every ilk, should just write the day off of our memories and stop trying to find some way to glom onto it, as Christians did when trying to coopt pagan feast days to blur the lines between paganistic rites and Christian rites. If we are ever to be a sovereign entity as a socio-religious representation of the philosophy, we need an identifiable and meaningful day for Satanists, not shared with Christians, Witches, Druids, Muleskinners, Dwarf Mages or any other creatures.

But I also know that many of us share our worlds with families who are not members or adherents of "a Satanic lifestyle." It has to be hell to try to balance out that kind of dichotomous relationship. So you gotta do what you gotta do, and hopefully reconcile the schizoid lifestyle in your own mind.
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#14052 - 11/08/08 01:36 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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I dont celebrate a religious xmas. The whole gift giving thing does boost the economy. I do get some pleasure when my children get excited over a gift. Gifts from others are certainly welcome. Its always nice to get the family togeather. that one drunk uncle who makes an ass of himself. I look foward to the holiday season.
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#14605 - 11/17/08 07:42 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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 Originally Posted By: Samuel Satanas
So Xmas, we know it is derived from a pagan festival- the Winter Solstice which falls on the 21st of December which was hijacked by the xtains, but who amongst us celebrates or does what around this month of december? Gifts, cards and toys for the boys? Or a true boycott of the whole tedious hyped up holiday season?


Satanism is the left hand path, and the opposite of christianity - indulge yourself in the festival since there are satanic holidays for us aswell - in december (if i remember) somewhere near the start we celebrate "releasing the demons".. indulge yourself in the holiday!

EDIT: when i say indulge yourself in the holiday i mean get presents and give presents for the pure fact of getting stuff, don't do the decorations it'll only make you look silly.


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#14636 - 11/18/08 09:51 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: yussuf]
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 Originally Posted By: yussuf
EDIT: when i say indulge yourself in the holiday i mean get presents and give presents for the pure fact of getting stuff, don't do the decorations it'll only make you look silly.
What if one likes Christmas lights? I say do whatever you desire and worry not of what others have to say. After all, it's your choice alone, so why bother worrying if you look "silly" to others?
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#14639 - 11/18/08 10:28 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: DistroyA]
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I have a great distaste for mandated shopping, and festivities, as well as opening presents in front of people, and trying to pretend that I liked gifts, which I knew would in actuality end up in that attic.

In most cases, I already knew that the people who spent time to show me affection with gifts cared for me, so there was never any need for them to re-enforce those positive feelings with said gifts.

Because of the brain washing that the masses have received from retailers in favor of gift giving, and the stress and financial hardship this put on many people (people I care about that is), made me find the whole affair quite distasteful and fake.

Unfortunately, due to sheepish thinking and the afore mentioned brain washing, when I would express my dislike for these requirements, I would be accused of being a "Scrooge."
This would cause me to point out that old Scrooge wasn't such a bad guy, because he was hard working, knew how to save money, and didn't have creditors on his back. He also had enough coal to keep warm during the winter months, while many did not. I bet ol' Scrooge was smart enough to appreciate it, when he got coal in his stockings, instead of looking at it as an insult. Ha ha, I mean how smart are people who give coal to people they don't like, and then find themselves cold in the winter. DUH!!

On the other hand, I greatly enjoy gatherings with friends and family (when I'm in the mood that is), good food, wine, the scent of a pine tree in the living room, and the sight of the decorations. Hell, I will even admit to enjoying xmas music, up to a point that is.

Therefore, since xmas is celebration of, what by many is considered a very special birthday of sorts, I have been playing with the idea of having the same kind of celebration on an even more special birthday. Mine.

Every year in August, I consider cutting down a pine tree, decorating it, hanging lights inside and outside of my house, and inviting friends and family to part take in a Gabe-mas celebration. NO gifts accepted, of course.


Edited by Asmedious (11/18/08 10:31 AM)
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#14640 - 11/18/08 10:37 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Asmedious]
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When I moved here from California, I was taken by how "ate up" everyone was in decorating their houses for Christmas. Mine is dark during that time of year. But I toyed with the idea of a massive light display on June 22nd... just an arbitrary day... and when people came up to me and asked, "Why do you decorate your house on June the 22nd," I'd feign shock and ask, "And you DON'T?" Of course, it would go over the heads of most here.

I live across the street from a graveyard, and for Halloween, I was going to cover myself in lightsticks and just wander amidst the tombstones in the distance. My neighbor recommended against it. He said, "Somebody will shoot you, Yankee."
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#14658 - 11/18/08 03:00 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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I live across the street from a graveyard, and for Halloween, I was going to cover myself in lightsticks and just wander amidst the tombstones in the distance


That actually had me laughing out loud, because I can imagine the sight. Although, I wouldn't do it on Halloween, but instead wait for a time when it would be truly unexpected.

I live in a relatively small town, and the "apperation" might make the local paper.
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#14660 - 11/18/08 04:48 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
But I also know that many of us share our worlds with families who are not members or adherents of "a Satanic lifestyle." It has to be hell to try to balance out that kind of dichotomous relationship. So you gotta do what you gotta do, and hopefully reconcile the schizoid lifestyle in your own mind.


Indeed!

I put my family first and foremost, and have found that Xmas is a wonderful occation for systematic and dedicated wallowing in many a mortal sin, especially gluttony...

I see absolutly no problem with participating in religious festivities, either out of respect, or because I simply enjoy them on a personal level.

My second marriage was indeed conducted in a Xian church.
This was the wish of my bride, and I readily complied.
Since the judo-xian godhood has no meaning, or power, in my life, I found it unproblematic to the core.

I made the church, my church.
Dominated the room with my being, my becoming.
My promises was in the face of my woman, myself and our friends and family.
The priest was a decent fellow and toned down his litany.
Not that I would have noticed, deeply into marrying as I was.
Nice sermon, nice party, nice marriage.
Even better divorce though...

My point being; the proper Satanic stance to any religious practice is IMO for the individual Satanist to define.
Do as thou wilt etc...


Btw; the words: "Winter Solstice" fills me with an intense desire to relieve myself in a way I do not enjoy; puke.
I cant help but picturing pseudo-hippies in fanciful robes involving themselves in non-threatening celebrations of Gaia.
Makes me wanna nuke Stonehenge, and that would be sad...
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#14678 - 11/19/08 12:39 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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my house is decorated all year round in halloween finery. I like the idea of presents for the solstice, but I celebrate it as such..not the x-mas route. My kids have grown up celebrating the more commercial/pagan form of the winter holidays, so they are good with it..they love their Satan claus! lol
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#15507 - 12/04/08 09:26 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I wasn't much into X-mas anyways.

The black tree sounds very creative.

When it comes to the holiday season, I stick to sending non-religious cards. It's a little annoying when I receive a religious card from someone who knows me.
But not well enough to know that I don't celebrate X-mas.

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#15525 - 12/05/08 12:11 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: silverray]
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I still haven't taken the tree down. I forgot how long its been up now. I think this weekend I will restring the lights. The cats have messed them up.

With the shopping and insanity, and mass consumerism, its not a Xitan holiday anymore. More like a Satanic mass indulgent day.

I just like how pretty stuff looks in the christmas windows.

Besides, if you need a holiday to be reminded to do something nice for your family, you must not really like them year round.

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