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#1290 - 10/28/07 05:12 PM The Satanic stance on Xmas?
Samuel Satanas Offline
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So Xmas, we know it is derived from a pagan festival- the Winter Solstice which falls on the 21st of December which was hijacked by the xtains, but who amongst us celebrates or does what around this month of december? Gifts, cards and toys for the boys? Or a true boycott of the whole tedious hyped up holiday season?
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#1359 - 11/02/07 01:13 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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The long, dark nights of the winter tend to fill me with a passion for the night and for darkness.
A drop in temperature can seem eerie, and bring a completely different atmosphere to natural spots.

And, of course, there's a good excuse for some hedonism.

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#1367 - 11/02/07 06:52 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Meq]
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Ok... we have a basic choice.

1. Boycott the worship of Jesus and do nothing.

2. Give and receive gifts, have ridicules amounts of expensive food and drink, go to parties and other social gatherings, enjoy the company of lots of people all generally in a good happy mood and for most people not have to attend work/school/uni etc. for a few days.

Personally I'll take the second option, it's considerably more fun.
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#1369 - 11/02/07 06:59 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Most definitely, and avoid all that silly religiousness--Merry Christmas, Happy Channukah, and whatever the hell you say about Ramadan. Blah blah, just have a good time with family and friends of your choosing. Party, pig out, pass out, and do whatever feels great to all.

I found some smart-ass wrapping paper on thinkgeek.com that says, "Have a Satisfactory, Non-denominational Capitalist, Wintertime Gift-giving Season!"
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#2246 - 11/25/07 09:55 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Nemesis]
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I enjoy this holiday period for all the gifts, good food and time off it brings, but an important factor for me is that I don't ask for any of it. Year after year, I do nothing christmassy and give away no gifts, yet people still give generously - not my problem. I have no pity for anyone who gives out of sheer conformity and gets nothing in return.

I often tell people I simply don't celebrate christmas because I'm not a christian, to which the reply is often, "Well, you could still celebrate it, it is christmas afterall!"

To this my reply is simply: would you have chemotherapy if you didn't have cancer?

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#2248 - 11/25/07 10:01 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Bid]
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I find it fun and actually enjoy both giving and receiving gifts at Christmas. It's a holiday I do celebrate and always will because it's religiousless now. It's the time of the year when people of all religions come together to worship Santa.

Hail Santa.
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#2251 - 11/25/07 10:23 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I understand your point about the increasing secularity of christmas. However, I just don't happen to enjoy the festivities, secular or not. I enjoy the free material gain and opportunity to relax at home. But I can't stand the apparent obligation to celebrate. I celebrate my own existence every day! I also think Winter itself is awesome enough to celebrate for an entire month. But Jesus has nothing to do with that.

I think most people actually find christmas a time when, whether they like it or not, they MUST act happily and generously (my reference to conformity in my previous post), whereas I couldn't be happier and more content all year round. Pretence is one of my biggest annoyances.

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#2252 - 11/25/07 10:27 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Bid]
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I look forward to Christmas because it's the time where I can see my parents and siblings and I get time off work. That's reason enough to celebrate and indulge.
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#2253 - 11/25/07 10:30 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I've been having a real issue this year at the mindless consumerism of the average American person. It literally makes me sick to my stomach. These people that camp out in tents and sleeping bags on Thanksgiving night in front of Best Buy for a cheap laptop, Walmart, the malls, etc. Nothing but "shopping tips" dominated the tv news headlines the day after Thanksgiving, or "Black Friday", as it's popularly known. How the hell is that news? I'd like to know.

Yes, Christmas is fun for the gifts, the food and the good times, but you shouldn't break yourself buying a $300 game system for your 10 yr old, which is going to be obsolete by the end of the next year anyway. Or a slutty-looking Barbie doll for your 8 year old that will play with it for a week and get bored. Buy gifts that will be used, appreciated, and are thoughtful.

Unfortuately I can't afford to buy a horde of presents for my closest family members this year. For my boyfriend and best friend, yes, but that's it. That could explain my jaded outlook on the way people are behaving towards Christmas this year. Or maybe not. I know I'm not the only one fed up with these annual proceedings of stores whoring out their goods, and the sheep that come to mindlessly lap them up. Instead, I'm making home-made cards (non-religious of course, some of them quite sassy). At least I'll be putting some thought into my cards, with handwritten calligraphy on the inside. It's not much, but it's something to show my loved ones that I'm thinking of them.
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#2254 - 11/25/07 10:31 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I look forward to Christmas because it's the time where I can see my parents and siblings and I get time off work. That's reason enough to celebrate and indulge.


That's more or less my point. It's a Wintery holiday where I get to see my family and relax... thanks, Jesus. *thumbs up*

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#2257 - 11/25/07 10:42 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
I've been having a real issue this year at the mindless consumerism of the average American person. It literally makes me sick to my stomach. These people that camp out in tents and sleeping bags on Thanksgiving night in front of Best Buy for a cheap laptop, Walmart, the malls, etc. Nothing but "shopping tips" dominated the tv news headlines the day after Thanksgiving, or "Black Friday", as it's popularly known. How the hell is that news? I'd like to know.

Yes, Christmas is fun for the gifts, the food and the good times, but you shouldn't break yourself buying a $300 game system for your 10 yr old, which is going to be obsolete by the end of the next year anyway. Or a slutty-looking Barbie doll for your 8 year old that will play with it for a week and get bored. Buy gifts that will be used, appreciated, and are thoughtful.

Unfortuately I can't afford to buy a horde of presents for my closest family members this year. For my boyfriend and best friend, yes, but that's it. That could explain my jaded outlook on the way people are behaving towards Christmas this year. Or maybe not. I know I'm not the only one fed up with these annual proceedings of stores whoring out their goods, and the sheep that come to mindlessly lap them up. Instead, I'm making home-made cards (non-religious of course, some of them quite sassy). At least I'll be putting some thought into my cards, with handwritten calligraphy on the inside. It's not much, but it's something to show my loved ones that I'm thinking of them.


Meh... to me christmas is still just unnecessary and arbitrary and therefore not worth stressing over. Nothing appeals to me and I don't feel obliged in any way.

Anyway, I think my view has been thoroughly expressed.

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#2271 - 11/26/07 07:56 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Nemesis]
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I've been having a real issue this year at the mindless consumerism of the average American person. It literally makes me sick to my stomach.


I used to feel this way as well. Working with the public in a retail capacity (wine & spirits) gives you a firsthand account of just how jaded the average consumer is. It's almost like they have no choice but to engage in this same ruthless shopping spree every year...A testament to the power of the advertising industry.

Now I just sit back and enjoy watching the ensuing chaos, knowing that there is some sort of stratification at work here. I like to fantasize that these are the same people who would commit mass suicide if the economy were to ever completely collapse. I mean, what good is a 72" plasma screen T.V. when you can't afford the electricity, right?

Ho ho ho.

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#2272 - 11/26/07 08:10 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Equilibrio]
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Mindless consumerism is the most important requisite of the wealthy, capitalist West. As far as experiencing the immediate behaviour of such drones... enjoy it! I have worked in shops over the christmas period and, when serving stressed out customers, I am polite on the outside, bellowing with sardonic laughter on the inside. Come January, the majority of people are exhausted, in debt, and miserable about going back to work, whereas I am laughing it up with my unspent salary... including christmas bonuses!
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#2302 - 11/26/07 08:25 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Bid]
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I personally hate what Christmas used to stand for in the Xtian world. But now I don't really care one way or the other because it's always great to spend time with my family. I was in prison for almost 2 years and only got to see my mom once or twice a month for 20 months so it's awesome to finally be out and amongst loved ones. The other night for Turkey day we sat down and instead or saying grace my mom said out of respect for me we're not going to pray or say grace! I thought that was so cool of her! If only there was more understanding respectful people like that in the world. I guess the current evolution of x-mas is just a day to get fat and give each other cool shit, until recently I never knew how close x-mas was to the winter solstice. Christians call us pagan which by definition we are but they have a ton of pagan rituals too! How friggin' crazy is that. I'm definitely going to enjoy x-mas this year but only because of my family and my freedom. No one really follows the religious implications anymore.
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#2330 - 11/27/07 02:53 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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Christmas....

Its a day off from work.
A mindless shopping frenzy by consumers who do/buy what they are told to buy/get. So they can go into further debt come january.

I get gifts for individuals when I feel like it, I dont need/believe in the one day a year bullshit.
I send stuff to my sister for the kids. Kids are just sometimes too young to understand, so I think if it makes them smile, its okay.

On that note, I still have the black christmas tree up from last year.

So, just do what makes you happy on that day.
Sleep late, enjoy family & friends, and indulge.

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#2336 - 11/27/07 04:15 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Nemesis]
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In my experience of observing the mindless consumerism and conformity of our western civilization, it’s always seemed more laughable than something that I would actually allow to effect me to such an extent that it would make me physically ill. Allowing the mindlessness of other people to impact you in such a negative way is essentially allowing them control over you. You may be a somewhat sensitive person picking up on the consumer-based marketing which suggests that if you can’t afford to buy a mass amount of overpriced gimmicks for your loved ones then you must be judged an inadequate member of society. That is the undertone of what is being propagated in these seasonal advertisements. My advice would be to take a step back and realize that you are above both the corporations that market these ideals (which they are only doing in the first place in the interest of driving up their own profits), and the mindless consumers that buy into them. And at the end of the day, people always appreciate gifts which have some personal thought put into them and come more from the gift giver than they do from the store :-)
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#2342 - 11/27/07 06:44 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Succubus666]
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Perhaps I exaggerated my reaction to the shopping frenzy that is going on. "Disgusted" is probably a better term than "nauseated" ;\) I'm pretty much over the whole thing now, and decided the other day to just laugh at the fools lining up to give their money away for garbage (most of it made in China).

I decided to take my best friend to see the Moscow Ballet Company perform "The Nutcracker" live the Saturday before Christmas. I've always wanted to see it performed live, and she hasn't seen it onstage since she was little. She said she'd like that over any gift (even an espresso maker, but I didn't tell her I was thinking of getting that for her ;)). We can dress up, get dinner, and see the show that night! It'll be fun.



Edited by Nemesis (11/27/07 06:46 PM)
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#2345 - 11/27/07 08:03 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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A black christmas tree would kick ass with dark red lights.

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So, just do what makes you happy on that day.
Sleep late, enjoy family & friends, and indulge.


You got that shit right...LOL But I would love to have one of those skulls like in you pic's for christmas. ;\)

But seriously christmas is alot of bullshit to me.


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#2369 - 11/28/07 12:39 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: SSSnake]
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Hmm, it is time to change the lights on the tree since the cats have climbed it one too many times. I think I will try to find those red lights that you suggest.

I can't even think of where to tell you to go to get one of those skulls. I got mine on a camping trip about 4 years ago.

True, it may be bullshit, but I like suprises year round, not just on one day.

I plan on sleeping late that day, and having breakfast delivered to my front door. \:\)

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#2386 - 11/28/07 07:05 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I can't even think of where to tell you to go to get one of those skulls. I got mine on a camping trip about 4 years ago.


My friend got one at a public sell but he wont part with it...LOL \:D


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I plan on sleeping late that day, and having breakfast delivered to my front door.


Shit yeah! biscits & gravey with home fries mmmmmmmmmmmmmm. \:\/


D.L.B ;\)
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#2387 - 11/28/07 07:18 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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Christmas to me, for the morning of the 25th means obligation, potential heatstroke, rellie fatigue (as in family and relatives),boring and shallow conversations with the in-laws, or should that read out-laws. Spending time where I'd rather not be.

On the upside, it gives me a few days off to catch my breath with the Hubby and Spawn. The chaos of living in a capital city stops for two days And THAT is what I REALLY look forward to. The afternoon on the beach when all the chaos is over, with a nice cold beer and a picnic basket. AAaaaaaaaaaah
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#2960 - 12/27/07 07:28 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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i think that in this time most people dont really care about the historic background of christmas and most people dont know about the christians stealing it, i mean, its just a kind of fun tradition that is hard-coded into us when we are born, and most kids grow up with the idea of a fat man in red bringing you gifts! its not to be taken serious, i enjoy christmas for the fun of it, including the gifts of course :P
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#3027 - 12/31/07 12:56 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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My birthday is December 24 so I celebrate it and not xmas.
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#3081 - 01/02/08 06:22 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Ok, so i laughed for a minute or two here - good one!

Edited by Catharsis (01/02/08 06:35 AM)
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#3082 - 01/02/08 06:25 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I find it fun and actually enjoy both giving and receiving gifts at Christmas. It's a holiday I do celebrate and always will because it's religiousless now. It's the time of the year when people of all religions come together to worship Santa.

Hail Santa.

Ok, so i laughed for a minute or two here....cheers mate!
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#3445 - 01/14/08 10:55 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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My xmas days involve nothing but gifts, family dinner and lounging around all day with no responsibility. To me it has nothing to do with family or any of the such. I'm with my family every day, why would I need a day celebrating that? But hey to each their own.
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#5404 - 03/12/08 06:15 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Ok... we have a basic choice.

1. Boycott the worship of Jesus and do nothing.

2. Give and receive gifts, have ridicules amounts of expensive food and drink, go to parties and other social gatherings, enjoy the company of lots of people all generally in a good happy mood and for most people not have to attend work/school/uni etc. for a few days.

Personally I'll take the second option, it's considerably more fun.


Xmas strikes me as actually being terribly satanic, seeing as how pretty much everyone follows that second option nowadays.
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#6328 - 03/24/08 09:50 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Sharschosen]
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Well I don't celebrate christman really. But in a way I do at the same time. I'll explain. I will stay up and drink with friends, give gifts to my closest ones, and I do appreaciate the temporary kindness everyone shows. On the other hand, I drink not to celebrate the birth of him, but I celebrate the company of good friends. I give gifts because it is expected and seems appropriate. I don't mind the couple of days off of work either. So in other words I do not agree with the celebration of Jesus's birth. But I do not openly protest it. I keep to myself and treat it like any other day of no work. Go out and shovel my damn driveway, and spend the day relaxing.
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#6355 - 03/25/08 09:05 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: PigFeeder]
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My personal stance is that X-mas is strictly for the kids. It's also just a lot of stress going broke getting stuff for family and friends. I am admittedly so caught up in the mundane world that that's what it means to me.

X-mas was formerly the Pagans' Winter Solstice celebration anyway and then got commercialized. "Buy this, buy that" and yadda, yadda, yadda.

As long as the kids are happy...
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#6356 - 03/25/08 09:06 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: PigFeeder]
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I like to think of it as celebrating yule if I'm celebrating at all. It has nothing to do with religion but rather the changing of seasons and such.
Tha last few years I haven't really been able to celebreate it at all, since for some reason christmas time gets quite depressed. I don't want to see my family nor most of my friends. Last christmas I spent with my band mate and one other guy. We ate, drank and went to sauna and later to a bar. That was all and probably the best christmas I've had for years.

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#6369 - 03/25/08 05:39 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I dispise the reason to worship the holiday, but I do like the overall meaning behind it. You get together with family and friends, some that you rarely ever get to be with, and enjoy a party, give and recieve gifts, and have some decent fun. I see it as a day to let go and indulge in over eating, drinking and what have ya. Its a good day. But I perfer to enjoy myself at a cousins house and have a party, rather than loathing the day and not doing a damn thing.
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#6378 - 03/25/08 07:37 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Pan420]
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I was going to mention Yule but figured everyone else here pretty much knows about it. For the past few years I've celebrated on that day. And if I felt like giving a gift to someone such as my girlfriend, I do it on that day, not on Xmas. People who know me thought it was weird at first, and complained. But I just told them they celebrate what they want how they want, I'll do it my way. Of course the ones getting something didn't complain. Lol.

But yah, I like the whole idea behind Yule and much prefer it to actually celebrating Xmas. The fact that the idea of Xmas was taken from Pagan traditions, I must admit turns me away from the idea of celebrating Xmas as well.
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#6431 - 03/26/08 04:59 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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i made up this quote in math class on 3/26/08
"we are all trapped in our own evil world when conscience leaves us to die" so an evil xmas does just that cuz u get knocked up COOL


Edited by darkling (03/26/08 05:00 PM)
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#6494 - 03/27/08 06:33 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: darkling]
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I celebrate Xmas out of respect for my mother and family. It's a very important holiday for them and though it does not necessarily fall into my belief structure it is important for me to respect those who in turn respect me and my beliefs as she does.

I do not see the harm in celebrating Xmas. It was originally a pagan holiday just like easter, and Christianized to make conversion easier and has further been commercialized. The Jolly Fat Man as children know him was invented by the Coca Cola Company. Essentially, minus the church services, the way Xmas is celebrated today is a holiday of materialism, a holiday of the earth.

People get together, drink, act merry or whatever, see friends and family that they likely haven't seen for the better part of the year, exchange gifts, etc. The Christian undertones of Xmas may hold true during mass but outside, in the world, Xmas is about as Satanic as a holiday gets.

Walk into a store a week before Xmas, or better yet on Xmas eve and what will you see. People, Alot of damn people, scramming to grab gifts, fighting with each other for these material items, everyone is out for their own and their own family. They have their own agenda and no one, not anyone will get in the way of said agenda. The term Merry Christmas is no longer accepted in most public places, with happy holidays being used instead. And Jesus is quickly forgotten as one races that lady in the hover round for the last PS3, possibly prepared to go as far as to knock her out of said scooter in order to get it, just as she probably would sooner crush your feet than submit that item to you.

Jesus no longer reigns over this holiday, Materialism and the Now are its new masters.
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#6500 - 03/27/08 07:59 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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Myself, I refuse to celebrate it. The way I look at it, I'm not a xtian so why would I celebrate a xtian holiday? If I'm going to celebrate it, I may as well celebrate Hanukah and Kwanzaa as well. It all amounts to the same damn thing. They are holidays from religions different from mine so in my eyes why celebrate them?
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#6504 - 03/27/08 08:46 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: The Blackangel]
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but why denie your self that fun and getting together with family and friends just because Santa was supposedly born on that day .the xian ideals have long since left xmas its about santa,spending time with family, and presents. long dead is merry Christmas it has be replaced with happy holidays and so on. to let a religion dictate what you can and cannot enjoy is just fucked in my views.
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#7346 - 04/06/08 10:31 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: The Blackangel]
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 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
Myself, I refuse to celebrate it. The way I look at it, I'm not a xtian so why would I celebrate a xtian holiday? If I'm going to celebrate it, I may as well celebrate Hanukah and Kwanzaa as well. It all amounts to the same damn thing. They are holidays from religions different from mine so in my eyes why celebrate them?



But isn't one of the marvelous things about Satanism the fact that we can use and adapt many different philosophies from many different religions as opposed to being stuck in a rigid dogma such as with Christianity. So if I saw it fit, and it pleased me I could celebrate Xmas, Kwanzaa and Hanukkah back to back and not be confined into only celebrating one of these holidays and there be no "guilt" or "sin" on my part, whereas in Christianity one could only celebrate Xmas, and there would be a certain level of guilt or a belief that one had sinned if they where to celebrate one of these others.

Could it not be seen as an ultimate offense to the xtians for us to take part in this holiday. That a Satanist would have the gal to take part in their precious lord and saviors birthday and even manipulate the holiday into their own.
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#7363 - 04/07/08 02:59 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Nyarlathotep2012]
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I get into it for a number of reasons. I think that it has evolved over time into a celebration of childishness and children. To me, it's a pagan festival, and it seems that everyone I know can get together and be nice to each other, unlike the rest of the year. When I was a kid, xmas was about the only time my disfunctional family acted like normal people. Less beatings and shouting matches and whatnot. So now when it comes around I try to look at it from the same point that I had as a kid, when Santa and his reindeer were real, and grown-ups were nice and gave you stuff, and you ate treat foods that you never had the rest of the year.

on the other hand...

I think it's disappointing the amount of overblown consumerism that's overtaken the holiday. It's like an enforced "gift of choice" day for children and certainly for a lot of people. As soon as you look at xmas like that, as a financial burden, and not as a time of relaxation and good vibes, its been broken. I also really dislike false good cheer and fake emotions. I don't feel the need to be nice to the people that shat me through the year. They get the usual treatment.

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#7760 - 04/15/08 04:54 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: rob_church]
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 Originally Posted By: rob_church
but why denie your self that fun and getting together with family and friends just because Santa was supposedly born on that day .the xian ideals have long since left xmas its about santa,spending time with family, and presents. long dead is merry Christmas it has be replaced with happy holidays and so on. to let a religion dictate what you can and cannot enjoy is just fucked in my views.



I don't feel that I'm denying myself anything. In my view, I'm relieving myself from having to deal with the worthless bastards. If I was to celebrate it, then in my eyes it would hipocracy. That is simply because of how strong my hatred for xtians is.
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#7764 - 04/15/08 07:04 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: The Blackangel]
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my stance is this... I personally don't look at x-mas as a holiday, but my family does. They wish to spend time with everyone including me, so i respect that wish being that they are my family and they have earned the privilage and the respect for me to do so. and who the fuck can't accept free shit????? I personally take xmas as a time to relaxe (if i get the day off for it) and enjoy spending time with friends and family.
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#9503 - 06/10/08 09:49 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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It's kinda like when I showed up at the offce one year for Presidents day and I didn't know it. The office was closed, so I turned around and went home. I had a nice day off, but didn't find out why until the next day at work!! Such as chrstmas, I love the party.. the festivity. The reason could be or not be... I just think take it as it comes and njoy the ride !!
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#9505 - 06/10/08 10:40 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: doctorsaige]
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I myself celebrate it, not for the xtian bullshit, but for family bonding and whatnot. I think what Nyarlathotep2012 said about xmas being not a xtian holliday, but a material day is absolutly 100% correct. I mean its all about who gets the best and newest gift. I also go along with the holdiay for my grandmother and close familys sake, especially last year since i come from a big family the death of my grandfather through off the whole swing of things. Yeah I think that last statment was pretty random. THanks for reading if you did.

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#9543 - 06/12/08 07:48 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: JohnTurk]
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Seems a great deal of people, celebrate Xmas for the fact of closeness to family and out of respect. Although I respect that, personally my family and close-ones all know my stance. They do not expect any celebration on me. I will wish them happy holidays, I'll drop by the house for a bit while they celebrate, etc. But I won't get all into it and buy everyone presents and begin to be any nicer. This is my opinion that I apply to my life though. I have no negative feelings on how anyone else runs there lives, I find it fine for anyone to do what they wish.


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#11388 - 09/11/08 08:53 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I kinda envy the Jews on this point.They get like 10 days of getting gifts.And we thought They had it bad,try shopping for people for ten days worth of gifts.No wonder their considered to be hoarders,(stereotypicly speaking).A little off topic.

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#11389 - 09/11/08 09:23 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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 Originally Posted By: Samuel Satanas
So Xmas, we know it is derived from a pagan festival- the Winter Solstice which falls on the 21st of December which was hijacked by the xtains, but who amongst us celebrates or does what around this month of december? Gifts, cards and toys for the boys? Or a true boycott of the whole tedious hyped up holiday season?


I humor the gift giving. I do no decoration. It was hijacked by Xtians but commercialized to such a degree it's nothing anymore.

Even the Grinch, which has always been a 20 min show has been edited to make more room for commercials. Songs on Rudolf have been rewritten into shorter songs to make room for commercials.

The Grinch and Charlie Brown, two of the first Christmas shows prophesizing the commercialism of Christmas and nobody caught it.

They were written over 40 years ago, "Christians" still haven't got the message.

Santa said it best in South Park when Jesus died in Iraq. "Christmas is now about Jesus" as though it never was.

Still isn't. Quite honestly, it never was, so it serves them right. Can't "lose" what doesn't belong to you.

So yeah... The gift-giving I take part in. I buy presents for some, namely those closest to me and that's about it.

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#11392 - 09/11/08 09:43 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Raziel LaVey]
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I personally haven't celebrated christmas for a few years. Not for any particular reason other than that I can't get in the mood and while others do I don't want to spoil it for them. I do give presents on christmas for my family and girlfriend so that they know I have remembered them and wish them a happy christmas. Hope it makes up a bit for my absence. Usually I just stop by for an hour or two for dinner and then leave them for their merry making...
Last year I discovered a good substitute for christmas, we kind of had our own "orphans'" christmas with my band mate and one other guy. We ate and drank and spent the evening in good humor. Suppose that's what awaits this year too.

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#11403 - 09/11/08 03:37 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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Christmas to me is the Winter Solstice. It is a good time to get that wish list out, light the candles, and ring the bell. Santa spelled sideways is Satan.
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#11406 - 09/11/08 05:58 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Raziel LaVey]
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Same here, Xmas is clearly not a religious thing (any more ?), so it's OK to me.
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#11469 - 09/15/08 09:07 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Impius]
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To me or my family it never has been a religious thing, nor do I know anyone else in Finland who celebrates Christmas for the sake of Jesus. It's just a good time to spend time together with the loved ones and relatives that you might not other wise see so often.
I don't personally need it, quite the contrary, but I understand very well why people like to celebrate it.

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#11471 - 09/15/08 10:59 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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I rather enjoy the Xmas season. I celebrate it, personally, as the winter solstice, but my family does not and I respect that. I think it is a consumerist holiday, but isn't every holiday nowadays? Every holiday is commercialized and set up to be a "buying extravaganza!" From the Xmas shopping sprees, to the Presidents day car sales.
I enjoy the gift giving of the Xmas season. I get to recieve gifts that I may not have been able to afford at the time myself; last Xmas I was given a new laptop by my parents, since mine was out dated. And I buy gifts for my close family, mainly my younger brother and sister. It is also the only holiday of the year that I actually get to go home and spend time with my family. I am currently stationed over seas in Japan, and I can only afford to go home once a year. Xmas is a convenient time.
Plus there is all the other fun things like partying and just lounging around on another day without work.
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#11473 - 09/15/08 12:33 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: ShadowWalker]
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Statistically speaking, more people get killed around this time than any other. I remember in North beach, SF, we called it "THE ANNUAL HUMAN SACRIFICE" I was playing my guitar on the corner one night and a riot broke out across the street. I saw bloody faces and people running, I heard screams. I took my cue and ran. I found out later that some gang kid got his brains blown out. I played on the same spot the murder occurred the next day. there were still little fragments of skull and brains on the sidewalk. Hey, it's the holiday season. There is money to be made and why let a little homicide get in the way?????
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#11497 - 09/16/08 04:55 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
Statistically speaking, more people get killed around this time than any other. I remember in North beach, SF, we called it "THE ANNUAL HUMAN SACRIFICE" I was playing my guitar on the corner one night and a riot broke out across the street. I saw bloody faces and people running, I heard screams. I took my cue and ran. I found out later that some gang kid got his brains blown out. I played on the same spot the murder occurred the next day. there were still little fragments of skull and brains on the sidewalk. Hey, it's the holiday season. There is money to be made and why let a little homicide get in the way?????
Y'know, It seems to me that it's very similar everywhere. Obviously not as extreme as you've described, but it seems to me that Christmas sends every other civilian doo-lally. And here I am thinking I'm the insane one, when there are nut-jobs out there causing havoc during the festive season.
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#11500 - 09/16/08 07:03 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: DistroyA]
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For whatever physical/emotional reason, this time of year charges the world with energy. It is magic to use the will
to convert that energy to suit our own needs. The fall season is upon us, and so is Halloween. Spring, Fall, Summer, Winter. We mark these times as crucial points in our survival.

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#11505 - 09/16/08 10:03 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
For whatever physical/emotional reason, this time of year charges the world with energy. It is magic to use the will
to convert that energy to suit our own needs. The fall season is upon us, and so is Halloween. Spring, Fall, Summer, Winter. We mark these times as crucial points in our survival.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Halloween this year. Mainly because I have that weekend off work. \:D

Hopefully, this year will be better for Halloween, unlike last year...
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#11525 - 09/16/08 06:36 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: DistroyA]
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In Aus, some people wrongly celebrate Halloween in line with America, when really it is Beltane here, and of course we don't have thanks giving, but we do have Christmas in SUMMER!

That's the best thing about Christmas, to me, it isn't a religious holiday at all, but rather a celebration of family. We do the family dinner, will ALL the family, kids and Aunts and Grannies. Very matriarchal my family, surprise, surprise.

It's usually beautiful weather and most people are off work for those couple of weeks from Christmas to after New Year.

My daughters birthday is also on the 27th, so even more reasons to celebrate to me.

We don't do the huge every one gets gifts, we do Chris Kringle (so every adult gets one present, small price limit set), and you get presents for kids until they turn 18. So it doesn't cost a small fortune.

We still do the tradional roast, Port, Turkey and Ham, but I usually get several kilos of king prawns also for starters, which has become a big part of the meal the last 5 odd years.

Oh yeah, and often we do a champagne and crossiant breakfast, or smoked salmon on pita bread with horseradish cream and capers.

Ah yes, Christmas's true meaning, FOOD & FAMILY

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#12264 - 10/06/08 11:50 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I celebrate Wintersolstice at the 21th, then christmass together with family and friends at the 24th. In Sweden, almost no one celebrates christmas for the religious reason anymore, it's just gifts, no work and good food. I also think our cold and dark season up here in the north is worth celebrating. Everything's just cold, dark and quiet, and that makes me feel comfortable.
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#12267 - 10/06/08 12:25 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Arkham]
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 Originally Posted By: Arkham
I celebrate Wintersolstice at the 21th, then christmass together with family and friends at the 24th. In Sweden, almost no one celebrates christmas for the religious reason anymore, it's just gifts, no work and good food. I also think our cold and dark season up here in the north is worth celebrating. Everything's just cold, dark and quiet, and that makes me feel comfortable.
That's a good way to look at Christmas, Arkham. You have practically the same attitude towards it as myself; it's just a holiday where one spends time with people they may not be able to for whatever reason during the rest of the year, and one can separate the religious aspects from it. Finding your own view of the holiday can make it all the more special to one's self, and one can appreciate it even more so.

That's how I look at it anyway. Yes, the Christians took Winter Solstice and added their own bullshit to it, but I separate it from that, and therefore, I can enjoy Christmas for what it is.
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#12296 - 10/06/08 08:17 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: DistroyA]
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Christmas to me is getting together with family, cooking, eating, giving gifts. Just getting together and having a good time. My parents are both atheists so while growing up Easter and Christmas were never religious holidays to us. We have a Christmas tree and everything for my daughter. Last year we had a Halloween decorated Christmas tree, check out the link to see it. Were are probably going to do the same thing this year. My daughter loves it.

Pictures

Now Halloween is a very very important holiday to us. This year it will be our 4th year wedding anniversary. In 2003 my husband proposed to me on Halloween by carving out in pumpkins Nicole Will You Marry Me! We had a whole year to plan the wedding and got married a year later. My wedding was fantastic. My dad made us caskets and we got carried up to the graveyard alter by pallbearers. I wont get to much into it, but if you want to know more just pm me.

Anyway I've gotten a lot of crap from my daughters biological side of the family about not celebrating Christmas as the birth of Christ and so on...he ended up signing his rights over and my husband has adopted my daughter, it was finalized this past April. Thats a long story though. My point of view is my daughter will decide what her religious beliefs are. I've never banned anything from her and whatever she chooses she knows I will support her and not make her feel bad or that she is wrong in making that choice.

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#12302 - 10/07/08 12:53 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Nykky]
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i hate christmas.always have.as it represents something im so against.i dread it every year.thats all i will say.
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#12509 - 10/11/08 07:09 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: BloodHorn]
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Christmas...hmm

An excuse to feast and celebrate the ones I care about.

What could be better?
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#12511 - 10/11/08 07:38 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I've gotten a lot of crap from my daughters biological side of the family about not celebrating Christmas as the birth of Christ and so on

You should(if you don't allready know)look up the details in the birth of "christ" and inform that side of the family that he in fact was not born in winter and express the appreciation their "god" must feel in taking the childrens focus off "gods" son and himself and putting it on a fat man bent on the indulgence of materialism lol.

I have to side with Destroya and Arkham on this one. Should I soo strongly feel the need to gift give I will do it when it is a finacially responsable time to do so. The only reason I will gather at that time is simply because everyone has the time off. Other than that, just another day. (marketing scam)
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#12514 - 10/11/08 07:45 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: blsk]
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Why fight against what is when you could just as easily utilize it?

As for the birth of christ...
..who?

Might as well celebrate the birth of Gandalf or Captain America.
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#12656 - 10/14/08 05:52 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I dig any excuse to have a party, summer solstice birthdays shitmas it's all the same.
Food Drink Nookie all in copious amounts is a winner at anytime of the year.
I Want some of that wrapping paper!
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#12657 - 10/14/08 05:55 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: AnOpenHand]
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Hell ya. Nothing beats a good party.
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#14050 - 11/07/08 10:57 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: BloodHorn]
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The first night I met Anton LaVey was around Christmas time in San Francisco. I was met at a rendezvous point by the outgoing Administrator who told me we were going to go "into the city," and that I should follow her. She drove like she was being chased by a tax collector, and we wove through the city, eventually stopping at the Grosvenor Hotel on VanNess. As we walked through the lobby of the hotel, it struck me as ironic that I was going to meet The High Priest of the Church of Satan and there was a white Christmas tree with all white lights blazing downstairs in the lobby.

It was all business that night as he was interviewing me for a position on his staff. But later, again around that same time of the year, I vividly remember our one conversation about the year.

He said, "Jake, if we got into the car and drove to your house, would there be any Christmas decorations?"

I was a little shocked at the question, but I answered honestly, "Absolutely not, Boss."

He nodded and muttered, "Good, good." Then he said, "You see all of the letters we get where people damn this and damn that about Christmas, and for all intent and purpose, they're Satan's emmisaries on earth... on paper. But I've had this fantasy about gathering up the most gung ho Satanist letters and climbing into the limo with a couple of the staff members for a little visit to their homes on Christmas Eve. If their homes were devoid of Christmas decorations, we'd knock on the door and present them with an autographed Satanic Bible or some other gift. If there were, we'd knock on the door and shoot them where they stood." He hated people who took the devil's name, paid lip service, then went into full retreat during the holidays.

Around LaVey and indeed with me, it was just another day. I give it no thought except that it's a season when you have to make damned sure you have enough food in the house, because you won't be able to get food in any restaurant.

I'm not that stringent. I don't have to look into the mirrors of people who are "Satan's emmisaries on earth" 364 days out of the year and dine with the flock on the 365th. I believe that we, as Satanists of every ilk, should just write the day off of our memories and stop trying to find some way to glom onto it, as Christians did when trying to coopt pagan feast days to blur the lines between paganistic rites and Christian rites. If we are ever to be a sovereign entity as a socio-religious representation of the philosophy, we need an identifiable and meaningful day for Satanists, not shared with Christians, Witches, Druids, Muleskinners, Dwarf Mages or any other creatures.

But I also know that many of us share our worlds with families who are not members or adherents of "a Satanic lifestyle." It has to be hell to try to balance out that kind of dichotomous relationship. So you gotta do what you gotta do, and hopefully reconcile the schizoid lifestyle in your own mind.
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#14052 - 11/08/08 01:36 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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I dont celebrate a religious xmas. The whole gift giving thing does boost the economy. I do get some pleasure when my children get excited over a gift. Gifts from others are certainly welcome. Its always nice to get the family togeather. that one drunk uncle who makes an ass of himself. I look foward to the holiday season.
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#14605 - 11/17/08 07:42 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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 Originally Posted By: Samuel Satanas
So Xmas, we know it is derived from a pagan festival- the Winter Solstice which falls on the 21st of December which was hijacked by the xtains, but who amongst us celebrates or does what around this month of december? Gifts, cards and toys for the boys? Or a true boycott of the whole tedious hyped up holiday season?


Satanism is the left hand path, and the opposite of christianity - indulge yourself in the festival since there are satanic holidays for us aswell - in december (if i remember) somewhere near the start we celebrate "releasing the demons".. indulge yourself in the holiday!

EDIT: when i say indulge yourself in the holiday i mean get presents and give presents for the pure fact of getting stuff, don't do the decorations it'll only make you look silly.


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#14636 - 11/18/08 09:51 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: yussuf]
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 Originally Posted By: yussuf
EDIT: when i say indulge yourself in the holiday i mean get presents and give presents for the pure fact of getting stuff, don't do the decorations it'll only make you look silly.
What if one likes Christmas lights? I say do whatever you desire and worry not of what others have to say. After all, it's your choice alone, so why bother worrying if you look "silly" to others?
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#14639 - 11/18/08 10:28 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: DistroyA]
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I have a great distaste for mandated shopping, and festivities, as well as opening presents in front of people, and trying to pretend that I liked gifts, which I knew would in actuality end up in that attic.

In most cases, I already knew that the people who spent time to show me affection with gifts cared for me, so there was never any need for them to re-enforce those positive feelings with said gifts.

Because of the brain washing that the masses have received from retailers in favor of gift giving, and the stress and financial hardship this put on many people (people I care about that is), made me find the whole affair quite distasteful and fake.

Unfortunately, due to sheepish thinking and the afore mentioned brain washing, when I would express my dislike for these requirements, I would be accused of being a "Scrooge."
This would cause me to point out that old Scrooge wasn't such a bad guy, because he was hard working, knew how to save money, and didn't have creditors on his back. He also had enough coal to keep warm during the winter months, while many did not. I bet ol' Scrooge was smart enough to appreciate it, when he got coal in his stockings, instead of looking at it as an insult. Ha ha, I mean how smart are people who give coal to people they don't like, and then find themselves cold in the winter. DUH!!

On the other hand, I greatly enjoy gatherings with friends and family (when I'm in the mood that is), good food, wine, the scent of a pine tree in the living room, and the sight of the decorations. Hell, I will even admit to enjoying xmas music, up to a point that is.

Therefore, since xmas is celebration of, what by many is considered a very special birthday of sorts, I have been playing with the idea of having the same kind of celebration on an even more special birthday. Mine.

Every year in August, I consider cutting down a pine tree, decorating it, hanging lights inside and outside of my house, and inviting friends and family to part take in a Gabe-mas celebration. NO gifts accepted, of course.


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#14640 - 11/18/08 10:37 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Asmedious]
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When I moved here from California, I was taken by how "ate up" everyone was in decorating their houses for Christmas. Mine is dark during that time of year. But I toyed with the idea of a massive light display on June 22nd... just an arbitrary day... and when people came up to me and asked, "Why do you decorate your house on June the 22nd," I'd feign shock and ask, "And you DON'T?" Of course, it would go over the heads of most here.

I live across the street from a graveyard, and for Halloween, I was going to cover myself in lightsticks and just wander amidst the tombstones in the distance. My neighbor recommended against it. He said, "Somebody will shoot you, Yankee."
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#14658 - 11/18/08 03:00 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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I live across the street from a graveyard, and for Halloween, I was going to cover myself in lightsticks and just wander amidst the tombstones in the distance


That actually had me laughing out loud, because I can imagine the sight. Although, I wouldn't do it on Halloween, but instead wait for a time when it would be truly unexpected.

I live in a relatively small town, and the "apperation" might make the local paper.
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#14660 - 11/18/08 04:48 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
But I also know that many of us share our worlds with families who are not members or adherents of "a Satanic lifestyle." It has to be hell to try to balance out that kind of dichotomous relationship. So you gotta do what you gotta do, and hopefully reconcile the schizoid lifestyle in your own mind.


Indeed!

I put my family first and foremost, and have found that Xmas is a wonderful occation for systematic and dedicated wallowing in many a mortal sin, especially gluttony...

I see absolutly no problem with participating in religious festivities, either out of respect, or because I simply enjoy them on a personal level.

My second marriage was indeed conducted in a Xian church.
This was the wish of my bride, and I readily complied.
Since the judo-xian godhood has no meaning, or power, in my life, I found it unproblematic to the core.

I made the church, my church.
Dominated the room with my being, my becoming.
My promises was in the face of my woman, myself and our friends and family.
The priest was a decent fellow and toned down his litany.
Not that I would have noticed, deeply into marrying as I was.
Nice sermon, nice party, nice marriage.
Even better divorce though...

My point being; the proper Satanic stance to any religious practice is IMO for the individual Satanist to define.
Do as thou wilt etc...


Btw; the words: "Winter Solstice" fills me with an intense desire to relieve myself in a way I do not enjoy; puke.
I cant help but picturing pseudo-hippies in fanciful robes involving themselves in non-threatening celebrations of Gaia.
Makes me wanna nuke Stonehenge, and that would be sad...
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#14678 - 11/19/08 12:39 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Jake999]
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my house is decorated all year round in halloween finery. I like the idea of presents for the solstice, but I celebrate it as such..not the x-mas route. My kids have grown up celebrating the more commercial/pagan form of the winter holidays, so they are good with it..they love their Satan claus! lol
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#15507 - 12/04/08 09:26 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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I wasn't much into X-mas anyways.

The black tree sounds very creative.

When it comes to the holiday season, I stick to sending non-religious cards. It's a little annoying when I receive a religious card from someone who knows me.
But not well enough to know that I don't celebrate X-mas.

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#15525 - 12/05/08 12:11 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: silverray]
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I still haven't taken the tree down. I forgot how long its been up now. I think this weekend I will restring the lights. The cats have messed them up.

With the shopping and insanity, and mass consumerism, its not a Xitan holiday anymore. More like a Satanic mass indulgent day.

I just like how pretty stuff looks in the christmas windows.

Besides, if you need a holiday to be reminded to do something nice for your family, you must not really like them year round.

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#16503 - 12/19/08 01:30 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Honestly, Dan just summed up this thread in the simplest terms, and that is the way I would like the think most "Satansits" would respond. No reason to say no to a celebration (good food, good friends, and sometimes even good family), and this is not necessarily a "christian" one anyway, neither is easter... if nobody pointed that out already. I'll take paid days off from work anyday - and I get two weeks... so let them pray and go to church if it makes them happy, and unless you want the statues bleeding and the holy-water catching fire, don't try dragging my ass there.
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#16528 - 12/19/08 01:31 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: daevid777]
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The statues won't bleed, the church doesn't fall down.
And, I didn't turn the holy water Black when I touched it.
Shit only has the Power you give it.

Any PAID day off is a Good Day off.

Besides, none of it really matters. Its just another day, my Birthday is more important.

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#17160 - 12/29/08 08:45 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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Christmas resonates too much with the pallid Nazarene fellow and a group I want to see the demise of. So, what do I feel around this time? Anger and resentment. For too many reasons that I cannot tell you about... because, for example, I don't want to tell you, I am mad at the whole scene.

My focus is on April 30, and October 31 for it's what Satanists celebrate. These two days and nights are a time of gift giving as well as a time to sit back and reflect. Let's focus on these venerable occasions.

p.s.-Planning and preparing always fits a suitor of Evil.
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#17184 - 12/30/08 03:55 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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Not even a little teensy-weensy "teardrop" of blood....?

Shit!

I need to work on that. New Year's resolution no.1... "make the statues cry tears of blood".

My birthday is non-existant, I've decided not to age anymore...
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#17192 - 12/30/08 10:53 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: paolo sette]
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 Originally Posted By: paolo sette
Christmas resonates too much with the pallid Nazarene fellow and a group I want to see the demise of.


...even though nearly all of the imagery and traditions are blatantly Pagan? I say that we should "take Yule back" instead of conceding defeat to an ignorant rabble of idolaters-in-denial!

...so I guess that's my angry rant for the day.
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#17230 - 12/30/08 07:26 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: The Zebu]
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daevil, nope no blood. I am working on not being a saint. Last thing any us need is for them to find a reason to saint me.

Yeah, aging sucks....

Fuck Christmas..
Make it Lemmymas....

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#17269 - 12/31/08 01:15 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Morgan]
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Forget everything encapsulating sainthood. It is just a bunch of bullshit to the millionth degree. From saints to martyrs to that dispicable word 'holy', there is no remorse from me. The catholics missed their mark on hundreds of thousands of would-be saints. And, those are prostitutes of all kinds. (I'm not kidding) All that a saint is, is the outcome of a few eclectic priests and the pope.
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#17280 - 12/31/08 03:04 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: paolo sette]
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preachin' to the choir, bud.
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#17300 - 12/31/08 06:41 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: paolo sette]
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And, you honestly have no idea.

(sorry, I had too!)
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#17372 - 12/31/08 07:38 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: daevid777]
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After 6 fucking pages of this shit....

Common sense...

Who really gives a shit... NO ONE.
If you celebrate xmas, lemmymas, hannakah, etc.


Do what makes you happy, and your kids happy.
Celebrate life, love, food, and drink.
Trade stories, presents, ideas, and vodka.

Morgan

Fuck the dead vampire guy. He's hanging with the easter bunny anyway.
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#18784 - 01/24/09 04:42 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Samuel Satanas]
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I'm all for x-mas, only I like to say Happy Winter, the Christians stole it from us, I say we should steal it back! If we took out all the great things like gifts, party, x-mas trees and all the cool stuff that originated with pagans, x-mas would be pretty boring, nothing but church and praying lol.

Hail Satan!!!
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#19137 - 01/27/09 07:36 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Cumulus Magus]
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It was strictly a pagan holiday which was ironically adopted by the Christians in the early 1800's. If you cannot see the hypocrisy in this holiday, you're probably a marketing-hype victim. When I was young and monumentally ignorant, Christmas was magical. Sadly, the magic faded over time... now I figure, "Why not party like this everyday? Why do the mindless masses of cattle choose THIS day to start acting decent toward each other?" Just because Jesus's birth was somehow tossed into this vastly commercial ploy, everyone is suddenly obligated to act nice!? Screw Christmas.

There goes my two cents.


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#19176 - 01/28/09 06:00 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Gilmoa]
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I like Santa Claus but hate the rest. It intrigues me how Santa Claus gets employed as a test to see if kids have learned to be skeptical yet. Plus the superhero aspect of flying all over the world in one night like the Flash is fun, and the little midget elves are fun because, hell, they're midgets, and the flying reindeer are pleasant to an animal lover like myself, and the secret headquarters in the North Pole must surely be ten miles east of Doc Savage's Fortress of Solitude and ten miles west of Superman's.
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#19194 - 01/28/09 12:13 PM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: Zoid]
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...and the secret headquarters in the North Pole must surely be ten miles east of Doc Savage's Fortress of Solitude and ten miles west of Superman's.


That would be freaking sweet, but everyone already knows Santa lives in Finland. That's a FACT.

I for one encourage the commercialization of christmas 'cause it kept my bills paid. (Yes, Yes! Buy! Consumer whores!)

And in any case, creepy old guys who give you free toys are inherently better than naked midgets who shoot you with arrows... Or are they?
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#19262 - 01/29/09 04:51 AM Re: The Satanic stance on Xmas? [Re: candyjesus]
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 Originally Posted By: candyjesus
I for one encourage the commercialization of christmas 'cause it kept my bills paid. (Yes, Yes! Buy! Consumer whores!)

And in any case, creepy old guys who give you free toys are inherently better than naked midgets who shoot you with arrows... Or are they?


Anything midgets do is cool because, hell, they're midgets.

As for the creepy old guys, I'm sure a fair number of them are closet pedophiles who have found a legal, harmless, and financially gainful way to indulge themselves. I applaud their ingenuity.

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