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#13126 - 10/21/08 06:15 PM Sister Emmanuelle
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I don’t know if you heard about it oversea, but here we’re quite flooded by TV reports on Sister Emmanuelle’s life.

I heard 2 things she said I would like to share with you as it reminded me some of the discussions we had here.

First is the one with Lux (what a surprise ).
She was in a cemetery and said (in substance) “If there is no life after dead, then this life has no sense, all what we do is nonsense and is worth for nothing”
I understand better our “deaf dialogue” with Lux. For us there is no life after dead, so it’s “normal” that we think what they do in this perspective is worth for nothing .
We’re probably more realists and accept that life has its part of non sense. We also found other “means” to give a sense to our lives

The second is the one about altruism.
She was explaining that “there are two ladders”: The social ladder and the Jacob’s ladder going from Earth to Heaven and on which angels go up and down. And she said that she always wanted to be on Jacob’s ladder. It’s a kind of visualization of her life’s goal. So here, it’s quite clear there is a motivation by the hope of a selfish reward.

Note that it’s also astonishing how such a belief can “do miracles” Yes “faith” can move mountains. But for me it’s comparable to what I once heard from Einstein. Since very young, he was fascinated by light. Visualizing himself on rays of light, trying to understand the intrinsic nature of light. Being obsessed by such a vision finally ended with a Relativity theory where the speed of light is a main key…

There are a lot of things to say about Sister Emmanuelle... in next posts.

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#13200 - 10/22/08 08:27 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Fabiano]
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"She was in a cemetery and said (in substance) “If there is no life after dead, then this life has no sense, all what we do is nonsense and is worth for nothing”


If all we live for is to die, then live is nothing no matter how we live it, in the end nothing really matters and if nothing really matters nothing can be right or wrong. If we our goal is wealth and in the end is death what is the point of materialism. But if our goal is in storing riches in heaven that eternal something beyond this earth, if our spirit passes from this realm to another then surely life is worth everything.

If we live then die, then we have nothing to live for except death, in the whole scheme of things life is worthless.

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#13203 - 10/22/08 10:41 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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"If we live then die, then we have nothing to live for except death, in the whole scheme of things life is worthless."


Now You get it.

It's the Fear that all was for naught that has so many Christians in church.

It's not that right or wrong doesn't matter.
It's a matter of understanding right or wrong in regards to living your life within the society that you live in.

Maybe its time for you to read or reread what are considered Satanic sins.

Maybe over time, you might come to realize that some of us really are the "good guys".

Be well,
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#13206 - 10/22/08 10:52 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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I always did get it, it but I dont think you have grasped it to its full extent yet.


You are correct in saying (if there is no after life) its not that right and wrong dont matter..... they dont exist!

Society then is simply a set of rules based on who has power and might over the rest of us. Why should anyone care about society?

"It's the Fear that all was for naught that has so many Christians in church"

Not at all, its the realisation of the depth of depravity of man, of every man (sacrafice of Christians for the Good of mankind) and the potential dangers of that within the "all for nothing" mentallity of the whole of mankind. Can you imagine the world where we live being like that? Hence it is a love of God and the love of our fellow human beings that has us in Church, not fear!


Edited by lux (10/22/08 10:59 AM)

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#13209 - 10/22/08 11:03 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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That's not what I said, please dont take my words out of context.

I said....
"It's not that right or wrong doesn't matter. It's a matter of understanding right or wrong in regards to living your life within the society that you live in"


You said.
"Society then is simply a set of rules based on who has power and might over the rest of us. Why should anyone care about society?"

Since this ride through life is in theory a one way ticket. You should enjoy a civil ride. Society is an interdependant network of people working towards a goal of surviving another day in the easiest happiest way possible. Usually involing sex, tv, fear, and making money.

I left out the term religion cause to some/most people those things are the basis of their religion.


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#13210 - 10/22/08 11:09 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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"Since this ride through life is in theory a one way ticket. You should enjoy a civil ride. "

For what reason?

"is an interdependant network of people working towards a goal of surviving another day in the easiest happiest way possible. Usually involing sex, tv, fear, and making money."

So...

why should I care about society?

why a civil ride, why not a "one lifetime" wild ride doing what I want when I want killing anyone who gets in my way and probably going out in a blaze of glory... in the end it would not matter... would that be a waste of life...so what when life is a pointless waste of time any way?

You dont get it, do you.

I have been to the bottom of the abyss, i wasnt always a Christian, it was in the darkness of nothingness when all seemed hopeless, pointless, a waste of time that the light of Christ dawned in my mind.

Your life is pointless, worthless a see of nothingness...your broken and trampled on by a laws and rules that you if your honest dont want.

My life has a meaning, a purpose, it is worth everything even to the point of a supernatural being dying for me and yes there are laws I dont want and I am working to change them but for the most part the laws are there for the benefit of mankind, not for me.


Edited by lux (10/22/08 11:19 AM)

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#13213 - 10/22/08 11:16 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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I live to be happy.

I take responibilty for my choices.

I enjoy my ride, but decided to avoid prison.

But, if realizing that this is it, makes you want to go on a killing spree then enjoy your time in jail.


Whatever, Im off to work.


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#13215 - 10/22/08 11:30 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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you live to be happy... ok thats fine, but define happiness.
The persuite of pleausre perhaps, in all its fine glory, rape, murder, drug abuse....do what you want, when you die its all over and nothing really matters a 100 years from now.

You take responsibility for your choice... ok but what responsiblity do you take... oh yes I shot a man and killed him, I take full responsibility for ending his worthless, pointless life!!!

Oh yes I raped a woman, I took her and raped her, yes it probably hurt her and scarred her for the rest of her worthless, pointless life but in the end it dosnt really matter. She is going to die anyway.

You dont want to go to prison, so is that why you obay the law... out of fear of what mere morals can do to you, you live your life in fear of repercusions of other men... pathetic.

Its pathetic people like this who deserve a "big brother" police state, weak ass mofo!

I say **** the law, its nothing!

I live by the law of God, not men


Edited by lux (10/22/08 11:48 AM)

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#13218 - 10/22/08 11:48 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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Im on Morgan's side

Many people probably would have a wild ride if it werent for the consequences.


lux:
feel free to kill people, noone can tell you what to do, but they can force you eventually
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#13221 - 10/22/08 01:09 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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Hi Lux!

I don't have time to answer on the many points you raised and I want to react on. So, I just give my general impression abouit your posts.

I have the impression that you still see us as furious beasts just waiting the good opportuninty to kill, rape, steal in all impunity,...

Think also all men are struggling for Happiness. It's normal, you say it, the Dalai-Lama says it and we say it.

You maybe should look at Epicurism which I find close to Satanism on these aspects. (Personal opinion)

Supid guys have a very short term view, they see the immediate benefit and occult the mid/long term consequences.
We (like Epicurians) put in perspective the consequences of our acts on a longer term.

To my eyes :
- you just arificially extend the long term beyond death.
- a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.

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#13229 - 10/22/08 03:14 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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 Originally Posted By: lux
you live to be happy... ok thats fine, but define happiness.
The persuite of pleausre perhaps, in all its fine glory, rape, murder, drug abuse....do what you want, when you die its all over and nothing really matters a 100 years from now.

You dont want to go to prison, so is that why you obay the law... out of fear of what mere morals can do to you, you live your life in fear of repercusions of other men... pathetic.
...
Its pathetic people like this who deserve a "big brother" police state, weak ass mofo!


Whoa whoa whoa. Complete emotional 180. Watch where you're pointin' them guns, Lux.

We don't care if there is life after death. We live to be happy. Happiness for us is biologically predisposed to be living in harmony with the human species.

So doing things like raping and pillaging and plundering isn't going to make us happy. That's not what we want. If somebody else rapes and pillages and plunders, we are going to kill him because his flawed idea of happiness endangers our own.

Also things like drug abuse will quickly destroy your body, and thus make further fleshly pursuits less pleasant. You are free to eat all the pie you want, but only an idiot keeps on eating after his stomach starts hurting.

Again, LOOK AT THE ANIMAL KINGDOM. They are just like us. They have societies and families and laws and morals. They help each other out in mutuality. The healthy ones don't usually murder and rape their own kind with reckless abandon, and in most situations only kill other species for food. They just want to stay alive, reproduce, and be happy when the situation permits.

And guess what? They don't have any gods.


Edited by The Zebu (10/22/08 03:15 PM)
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#13233 - 10/22/08 03:40 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: The Zebu]
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Lux lets say there is nothing after this. It may mean free for all for some but surely not for all. Case in point: I will not just utterly destroy everything that simply stands in my way because I love (and I don't need god for that) for example my nephew who is very young and will have to grow up in the aftermath. Nor do I want to display behaviors that I HATE for it will make me a hypocrite. I don't display "animalistic" behavior in my dealings with people due to PRIDE. I love us as humans and what we have the potential for. Do I need to go on?
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#13251 - 10/22/08 05:05 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: blsk]
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but how much of your beliefs have been affected by Christian ideology?

Take God out of the equasion, take all christian ideology away, is it even possible for you to do so?

What kind of society will we live in, without God there is no morality.... Communism tried to place the State as God... it produced Tyranny. Fascism/eugenics tryed to put the human race as God, it produced tyranny. Capitalism trys to put money as God.... it will produce tyranny.

Only belief in God or at worst the submission to the concept of God can give mankind the best society possible.

All men created equal with inalianable rights bestowed by a divine being which no one can take away. I dont care if you yourself dont want to take them away, Satanism is dangerous because it would permit others to do that, Satanism will only lead to tyranny.

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#13253 - 10/22/08 05:12 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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What kind of society will we live in, without God there is no morality.... Communism tried to place the State as God... it produced Tyranny. Fascism/eugenics tryed to put the human race as God, it produced tyranny. Capitalism trys to put money as God.... it will produce tyranny.

-Correction. It is not god that makes christians act morally, it is the bible. Just the same way the koran makes people of those faith act as they do. Yet you do not believe in their god do you?


Satanism is dangerous because it would permit others to do that, Satanism will only lead to tyranny.



Christianity hase the same effect as that which you fear. Need we bring up history again?

I'm not saying the bible doesn't have some good ideas on how to live life, but that doesn't prove THAT god to exist.


Edited by blsk (10/22/08 05:14 PM)
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#13255 - 10/22/08 05:22 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: blsk]
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of course i believe in the god of Abraham islam is mentioned in the bible, it is the line of Ishmael Abrahams oldest son. Christianity/Judiasim is the line of Isaac. We all worship the same God.

Where is the tyranny of Christianity?

The Crusades?

The Inquisition?

Neither were tyranny, one was done in defence

the 2nd is often confused with civil inquistions

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