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#13126 - 10/21/08 06:15 PM Sister Emmanuelle
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I don’t know if you heard about it oversea, but here we’re quite flooded by TV reports on Sister Emmanuelle’s life.

I heard 2 things she said I would like to share with you as it reminded me some of the discussions we had here.

First is the one with Lux (what a surprise ).
She was in a cemetery and said (in substance) “If there is no life after dead, then this life has no sense, all what we do is nonsense and is worth for nothing”
I understand better our “deaf dialogue” with Lux. For us there is no life after dead, so it’s “normal” that we think what they do in this perspective is worth for nothing .
We’re probably more realists and accept that life has its part of non sense. We also found other “means” to give a sense to our lives

The second is the one about altruism.
She was explaining that “there are two ladders”: The social ladder and the Jacob’s ladder going from Earth to Heaven and on which angels go up and down. And she said that she always wanted to be on Jacob’s ladder. It’s a kind of visualization of her life’s goal. So here, it’s quite clear there is a motivation by the hope of a selfish reward.

Note that it’s also astonishing how such a belief can “do miracles” Yes “faith” can move mountains. But for me it’s comparable to what I once heard from Einstein. Since very young, he was fascinated by light. Visualizing himself on rays of light, trying to understand the intrinsic nature of light. Being obsessed by such a vision finally ended with a Relativity theory where the speed of light is a main key…

There are a lot of things to say about Sister Emmanuelle... in next posts.

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#13200 - 10/22/08 08:27 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Fabiano]
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"She was in a cemetery and said (in substance) “If there is no life after dead, then this life has no sense, all what we do is nonsense and is worth for nothing”


If all we live for is to die, then live is nothing no matter how we live it, in the end nothing really matters and if nothing really matters nothing can be right or wrong. If we our goal is wealth and in the end is death what is the point of materialism. But if our goal is in storing riches in heaven that eternal something beyond this earth, if our spirit passes from this realm to another then surely life is worth everything.

If we live then die, then we have nothing to live for except death, in the whole scheme of things life is worthless.

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#13203 - 10/22/08 10:41 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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"If we live then die, then we have nothing to live for except death, in the whole scheme of things life is worthless."


Now You get it.

It's the Fear that all was for naught that has so many Christians in church.

It's not that right or wrong doesn't matter.
It's a matter of understanding right or wrong in regards to living your life within the society that you live in.

Maybe its time for you to read or reread what are considered Satanic sins.

Maybe over time, you might come to realize that some of us really are the "good guys".

Be well,
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#13206 - 10/22/08 10:52 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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I always did get it, it but I dont think you have grasped it to its full extent yet.


You are correct in saying (if there is no after life) its not that right and wrong dont matter..... they dont exist!

Society then is simply a set of rules based on who has power and might over the rest of us. Why should anyone care about society?

"It's the Fear that all was for naught that has so many Christians in church"

Not at all, its the realisation of the depth of depravity of man, of every man (sacrafice of Christians for the Good of mankind) and the potential dangers of that within the "all for nothing" mentallity of the whole of mankind. Can you imagine the world where we live being like that? Hence it is a love of God and the love of our fellow human beings that has us in Church, not fear!


Edited by lux (10/22/08 10:59 AM)

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#13209 - 10/22/08 11:03 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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That's not what I said, please dont take my words out of context.

I said....
"It's not that right or wrong doesn't matter. It's a matter of understanding right or wrong in regards to living your life within the society that you live in"


You said.
"Society then is simply a set of rules based on who has power and might over the rest of us. Why should anyone care about society?"

Since this ride through life is in theory a one way ticket. You should enjoy a civil ride. Society is an interdependant network of people working towards a goal of surviving another day in the easiest happiest way possible. Usually involing sex, tv, fear, and making money.

I left out the term religion cause to some/most people those things are the basis of their religion.


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#13210 - 10/22/08 11:09 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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"Since this ride through life is in theory a one way ticket. You should enjoy a civil ride. "

For what reason?

"is an interdependant network of people working towards a goal of surviving another day in the easiest happiest way possible. Usually involing sex, tv, fear, and making money."

So...

why should I care about society?

why a civil ride, why not a "one lifetime" wild ride doing what I want when I want killing anyone who gets in my way and probably going out in a blaze of glory... in the end it would not matter... would that be a waste of life...so what when life is a pointless waste of time any way?

You dont get it, do you.

I have been to the bottom of the abyss, i wasnt always a Christian, it was in the darkness of nothingness when all seemed hopeless, pointless, a waste of time that the light of Christ dawned in my mind.

Your life is pointless, worthless a see of nothingness...your broken and trampled on by a laws and rules that you if your honest dont want.

My life has a meaning, a purpose, it is worth everything even to the point of a supernatural being dying for me and yes there are laws I dont want and I am working to change them but for the most part the laws are there for the benefit of mankind, not for me.


Edited by lux (10/22/08 11:19 AM)

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#13213 - 10/22/08 11:16 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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I live to be happy.

I take responibilty for my choices.

I enjoy my ride, but decided to avoid prison.

But, if realizing that this is it, makes you want to go on a killing spree then enjoy your time in jail.


Whatever, Im off to work.


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#13215 - 10/22/08 11:30 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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you live to be happy... ok thats fine, but define happiness.
The persuite of pleausre perhaps, in all its fine glory, rape, murder, drug abuse....do what you want, when you die its all over and nothing really matters a 100 years from now.

You take responsibility for your choice... ok but what responsiblity do you take... oh yes I shot a man and killed him, I take full responsibility for ending his worthless, pointless life!!!

Oh yes I raped a woman, I took her and raped her, yes it probably hurt her and scarred her for the rest of her worthless, pointless life but in the end it dosnt really matter. She is going to die anyway.

You dont want to go to prison, so is that why you obay the law... out of fear of what mere morals can do to you, you live your life in fear of repercusions of other men... pathetic.

Its pathetic people like this who deserve a "big brother" police state, weak ass mofo!

I say **** the law, its nothing!

I live by the law of God, not men


Edited by lux (10/22/08 11:48 AM)

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#13218 - 10/22/08 11:48 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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Im on Morgan's side

Many people probably would have a wild ride if it werent for the consequences.


lux:
feel free to kill people, noone can tell you what to do, but they can force you eventually
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#13221 - 10/22/08 01:09 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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Hi Lux!

I don't have time to answer on the many points you raised and I want to react on. So, I just give my general impression abouit your posts.

I have the impression that you still see us as furious beasts just waiting the good opportuninty to kill, rape, steal in all impunity,...

Think also all men are struggling for Happiness. It's normal, you say it, the Dalai-Lama says it and we say it.

You maybe should look at Epicurism which I find close to Satanism on these aspects. (Personal opinion)

Supid guys have a very short term view, they see the immediate benefit and occult the mid/long term consequences.
We (like Epicurians) put in perspective the consequences of our acts on a longer term.

To my eyes :
- you just arificially extend the long term beyond death.
- a bird in the hand is better than 2 in the bush.

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#13229 - 10/22/08 03:14 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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 Originally Posted By: lux
you live to be happy... ok thats fine, but define happiness.
The persuite of pleausre perhaps, in all its fine glory, rape, murder, drug abuse....do what you want, when you die its all over and nothing really matters a 100 years from now.

You dont want to go to prison, so is that why you obay the law... out of fear of what mere morals can do to you, you live your life in fear of repercusions of other men... pathetic.
...
Its pathetic people like this who deserve a "big brother" police state, weak ass mofo!


Whoa whoa whoa. Complete emotional 180. Watch where you're pointin' them guns, Lux.

We don't care if there is life after death. We live to be happy. Happiness for us is biologically predisposed to be living in harmony with the human species.

So doing things like raping and pillaging and plundering isn't going to make us happy. That's not what we want. If somebody else rapes and pillages and plunders, we are going to kill him because his flawed idea of happiness endangers our own.

Also things like drug abuse will quickly destroy your body, and thus make further fleshly pursuits less pleasant. You are free to eat all the pie you want, but only an idiot keeps on eating after his stomach starts hurting.

Again, LOOK AT THE ANIMAL KINGDOM. They are just like us. They have societies and families and laws and morals. They help each other out in mutuality. The healthy ones don't usually murder and rape their own kind with reckless abandon, and in most situations only kill other species for food. They just want to stay alive, reproduce, and be happy when the situation permits.

And guess what? They don't have any gods.


Edited by The Zebu (10/22/08 03:15 PM)
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#13233 - 10/22/08 03:40 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: The Zebu]
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Lux lets say there is nothing after this. It may mean free for all for some but surely not for all. Case in point: I will not just utterly destroy everything that simply stands in my way because I love (and I don't need god for that) for example my nephew who is very young and will have to grow up in the aftermath. Nor do I want to display behaviors that I HATE for it will make me a hypocrite. I don't display "animalistic" behavior in my dealings with people due to PRIDE. I love us as humans and what we have the potential for. Do I need to go on?
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#13251 - 10/22/08 05:05 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: blsk]
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but how much of your beliefs have been affected by Christian ideology?

Take God out of the equasion, take all christian ideology away, is it even possible for you to do so?

What kind of society will we live in, without God there is no morality.... Communism tried to place the State as God... it produced Tyranny. Fascism/eugenics tryed to put the human race as God, it produced tyranny. Capitalism trys to put money as God.... it will produce tyranny.

Only belief in God or at worst the submission to the concept of God can give mankind the best society possible.

All men created equal with inalianable rights bestowed by a divine being which no one can take away. I dont care if you yourself dont want to take them away, Satanism is dangerous because it would permit others to do that, Satanism will only lead to tyranny.

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#13253 - 10/22/08 05:12 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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What kind of society will we live in, without God there is no morality.... Communism tried to place the State as God... it produced Tyranny. Fascism/eugenics tryed to put the human race as God, it produced tyranny. Capitalism trys to put money as God.... it will produce tyranny.

-Correction. It is not god that makes christians act morally, it is the bible. Just the same way the koran makes people of those faith act as they do. Yet you do not believe in their god do you?


Satanism is dangerous because it would permit others to do that, Satanism will only lead to tyranny.



Christianity hase the same effect as that which you fear. Need we bring up history again?

I'm not saying the bible doesn't have some good ideas on how to live life, but that doesn't prove THAT god to exist.


Edited by blsk (10/22/08 05:14 PM)
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#13255 - 10/22/08 05:22 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: blsk]
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of course i believe in the god of Abraham islam is mentioned in the bible, it is the line of Ishmael Abrahams oldest son. Christianity/Judiasim is the line of Isaac. We all worship the same God.

Where is the tyranny of Christianity?

The Crusades?

The Inquisition?

Neither were tyranny, one was done in defence

the 2nd is often confused with civil inquistions

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#13259 - 10/22/08 05:27 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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Christianity IS tyranny. That is the whole goal of your god.

Main Entry: tyr·an·ny
Pronunciation: \ˈtir-ə-nē\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural tyr·an·nies
Etymology: Middle English tyrannie, from Middle French, from Medieval Latin tyrannia, from Latin tyrannus tyrant
Date: 14th century
1: oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson> ; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>
2 a: a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler ; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state b: the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant
3: a rigorous condition imposed by some outside agency or force <living under the tyranny of the clock — Dixon Wecter>
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#13263 - 10/22/08 05:34 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: blsk]
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We dont impose belief in God, we appeal for people to belive in God
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#13266 - 10/22/08 05:40 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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 Originally Posted By: lux
We dont impose belief in God, we appeal for people to belive in God

And luckily for you the world is loaded with stupid people that accept any old belief without cross referencing it with reality.
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#13267 - 10/22/08 05:41 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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You don't impose belief yet if we do not we pay a costly price.

Still tyranny.


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#13268 - 10/22/08 05:47 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: blsk]
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i have just said your eternal fate is in the hands of god, i do not presume to know, it would be prudent not to mix up protestant fundementalism with Catholcism
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#13270 - 10/22/08 05:52 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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Yes, because their imaginary friends are SO MUCH DIFFERENT
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#13272 - 10/22/08 05:55 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Dan_Dread]
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does dan dread ever contribute anything inteligent?
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#13276 - 10/22/08 06:00 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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That is my point Lux. If it is up to your free will to do "good" or "evil" than it IS up to you. Is it not?
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#13277 - 10/22/08 06:07 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: blsk]
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#13308 - 10/22/08 08:18 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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Than even you can see that "god" is not the "decider" in how you spend your eternity, you alone are. In your bible god says "do not lean upon your own understanding," that "it does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step," and says "cursed is the able-bodied man who puts his trust in man." Yet were not the men who wrote the bible forced to lean upon their own understanding in regards to things such as visions? Was it not your own understanding of god that brought you into your faith? Should you not then cast off your understanding of god as fallable? Puting your trust in man(your parents and pastors)that theirs is the path? Don't you see that these people want nothing more than your willing refusal to think for yourself?

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#13316 - 10/22/08 08:38 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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 Originally Posted By: lux
does dan dread ever contribute anything inteligent?



To answer your question, no I don't waste braincells on trolls.

Thanks for the laugh, by the way. Whenever someone tries to get sanctimonious about 'intelligence' but spells 'intelligence' incorrectly (irony, anyone?) it always manages to draw a chuckle.
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#13318 - 10/22/08 08:58 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Dan_Dread]
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A christian even insinuating intelligence is an oxymoron. Kinda like that picture of Brittany Spears wearing a Harvard shirt.
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#13324 - 10/22/08 10:29 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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There is a misconception among those of religious faith, that without such faith, people cannot know happiness, or have moral standards.

However, through evolution, we have indeed been born with knowing what is right and wrong.
What is right, are actions and feelings which help sustain life. Life is the goal of the gene pool.
Therefore, we are born with Empathy, for other living things. When we see something suffer, we can understand, and relate to the suffering, and will in many cases give assistance.

What is wrong, is the UNNECESSARY destruction of life. When there is enough food, mates, land, and other things which we require to survive, then human beings will most often get along, and will also help each other. This desire comes from genetics, not religion.

When there are enough resources for people to get along, the main cause of war are faulty belief systems, such as religion.
Another reason for strife when resources are plentiful is political beliefs; mainly an individual or a group of people attempting to tell others how to live their lives.

Satanism, doesn’t need to look for a reward for living a good life, because life itself IS the reward.
We, as Satanists, can enjoy the moment we are in, savoring the pleasures of the palate, body, and other senses, which is equal to the life we live now.

We also stand in judgement, but not in front of a god, sometime down the road, who will wash our sins away, or judge us; but instead, we stand in judgement in front of ourselves. We can know that if we feel unhappy, sad or miserable, that we are doing something wrong. That wrong usually stems from doing things which go against our nature, or in failing to achieve those things which are necessary for our happiness. Things which throw off our balance.

When one lives a balanced life, there is no desire to rape and murder the innocents, or those that are weaker. Sexuality is seen as part of a fulfilling life, and there is no guilt associated with it.
However, guilt induced by religion, throws off a healthy balance, and because of repressed feelings, hostility is created.

This is why, it is so difficult for religious people to understand why, without a god head, one can live in peace and harmony in a social setting.

It is the religious ones that accuse humanity of being inhumane, cruel and violent, because those are the feelings that are born through repression of the spirit.

Don’t children have to be weary of religious leaders, as well as other unbalanced individuals?

Yes, beliefs such as Satanism do attract unbalanced individuals, who cause havoc and cruelty to others, but the same type of individuals are also drawn to white light religions in order to feed their unhealthy egos, and urges.
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#13333 - 10/23/08 12:42 AM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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 Originally Posted By: lux
but how much of your beliefs have been affected by Christian ideology?

Take God out of the equasion, take all christian ideology away, is it even possible for you to do so?

What kind of society will we live in, without God there is no morality....


I'm not going to lie, I literally got a little queasy reading this and my vision started warping out.

Furthermore, the glass house of Yahweh is no good place to be throwing stones of "good morality" from, especially with the abhorrent child-slaughtering campaign of genocide he commanded his followers to carry out way back in Canaan. No single culture or religion has the answer, ESPECIALLY Judeo-Christian religion.

Look at the rest of the world. Most of the world IS NOT CHRISTIAN, yet they have come up with essentially the same basic moral values we have. WITH NO JUDEO-CHRISTIAN INFLUENCE.

All other the ancient world cultures had come up with "moral values" while the ancestors of the hebrews were still worshiping Ashera! Judaism got its ethics and morals from their sumerian predecessors.

This vast amount of evidence overwhelms your blatant denial of reality. You keep on insisting "Christian values are the only way people can be decent!" when time and time again the "virtuous heathens" prove you wrong.

Maybe morality and altruism is... *gasp* in our human nature?!?

(As a side note, yeah, this thread is hitting a brick wall... I'm getting too tired for niceties... oh well...)

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#13349 - 10/23/08 06:09 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Asmedious]
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Waouw!

Asmedious, you said much better than me what I have in my head. LOL

I fully agree on that !

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#13357 - 10/23/08 08:01 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Fabiano]
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Ok lux, I'll play your game, try to keep up....

"Its pathetic people like this who deserve a "big brother" police state, weak ass mofo!
I say **** the law, its nothing!
I live by the law of God, not men"

So according to you and your bible..
Its okay to fuck your daughters and sell them into slavery.
but you should not covet your neighbors wife.
You should go on a rampage and kill everyone who works on sunday.
BUt the the bible also says thou shall not kill.
Indulgences and 1/3 tithes are okay,
but didn't jesus throw the money lenders out of the temples?
You should have no other gods besides him.
but doesn't that one statement acknowledge that there are other gods?
You condemn and question our choices.
but didnt god give us free will.
Isnt it extreme vaniety of you to think that you could go against god will.
What about "let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Are you without sin?
Are you one of the false prophets that we should be aware of?
Is it god whispering in your ear, or is it actually a demon praying on your inflated sense of self?



"What kind of society will we live in, without God there is no morality.....Only belief in God or at worst the submission to the concept of God can give mankind the best society possible."

Great I always wanted to be someones chattle or property.
Oh, whos god? Which version? Which century? Pre or post council of nicea?
Christian, born again, prodistant, snake handlers, epistipalians, old testament, new testament?


Tyranny, is when one group tries to force their views on another group that doesn't want them. Wheather under the gun, or under the boot, or under the bible. Its still unwanted force and intrusion.

All men were not created equal. Some are more stupid, some are handicapped, and some are just useless except as cannon fodder.

Satanism is dangerous because it forces you to look at yourself and think about yourself, and your role in the world around you. Satanism expects you to become the best that you can be and will tolerate nothing less. True Satanism is not for losers, it won't coddle you or hold your hand. It forces you to get up off your ass, to do something. It also makes you responsibl;e for your actions. You can't blame anyone but yourself for your own fuck ups.


Dude, pick up a history book. Most wars are based on religious issues.
Hell, we are fighting the crusades again right now.
The Inquistion was a way for the catholic church to get rid of smart women wo would have ursept the power of the church and priest. Most were healers, midwifes, outspoken single old ladies, and women who would fuck the priests.


"We dont impose belief in God, we appeal for people to belive in God "

Yes, and if you dont believe in god, we will burn you at the stake or continue to bother you till you die or your ears bleed. Whichever comes first.


"i have just said your eternal fate is in the hands of god, i do not presume to know"

Good, then shut the fuck up (yes its rude).
You are not god, you are not jesus, you should not presume to know the will of god.
Perhaphs we are part of his plan, to train the faithful.
Perhaphs we are the faithful, what if we are right....

God is in your heart, not in a book, or in a building.
He is in a stone, a tree, a splash of water.
He is in me.
I am God.
We are all our own god.

When your end comes, will be able to look back and see the good you have done.
Will people remember you fondly, or will no one know your name.

Other than being annoying on this board, what have you done in the real world to help your fellow man?
Have you volenteered for anything?
have you gone out of your way to help your fellow man?
Have you lived a life as christ did?

When your soul goes to judgment, what good deeds can you say you did?

How can you judge us, when you dont even know us.
That is not your right, its only gods right.

As I said before......

God is in your heart, not in a book, or in a building.
He is in a stone, a tree, a splash of water.
He is in me.
I am God.
We are all our own god.

Go in peace, the peace I give.....

Morgan
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#13362 - 10/23/08 08:54 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: lux]
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Lux, truly, you are dense. Repeatedly you reject logic, reason and things you see with your own eyes. Again, please at least try to educate yourself in the ways of the LHP. Again, I will point you to a reading list that should help you somewhat:

Books of the Left Hand Path

In any event....


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Society then is simply a set of rules based on who has power and might over the rest of us. Why should anyone care about society?


They shouldn't. Only in as much as participating in the larger society appeals to their enlightened self interest. Man, after all, is a social animal. Building social structures has been our survival strategy for over 250,000 year of evolution. Man is hard wired to function in social groups.

This is why most people can figure out how to conduct themselves with the need to have a cop and judge follow them around all day. Survival within a group requires all parties adopt the social norms that will allow them to function within the group. Ever take a Sociology class? Most groups can self regulate without the need for govts, churches or other external forces.

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Not at all, its the realisation of the depth of depravity of man, ...


'Thou do protest too much' said the poet. What is with you churchies? You assume that everyone is drooling depraved sociopath just waiting to victimize the neighbors. Sounds like you are projecting just a little. Personally, I am pretty good neighbor - a mensch if you will within my community. Strangely, I am able to figure out how to act appropriately, not be a burden to my fellow man, and improve my community without being told to do so by any church or govt. Go figure!?
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#13364 - 10/23/08 09:16 PM Re: Sister Emmanuelle [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan


Other than being annoying on this board, what have you done in the real world to help your fellow man?
Have you volenteered for anything?
have you gone out of your way to help your fellow man?
Have you lived a life as christ did?

When your soul goes to judgment, what good deeds can you say you did?


Before Lux jumps to it, he posted earlier that he works for a charity organization or something.

That said, it's not too relevant to the topic.


 Originally Posted By: Morgan

Tyranny, is when one group tries to force their views on another group that doesn't want them. Wheather under the gun, or under the boot, or under the bible. Its still unwanted force and intrusion.

All men were not created equal. Some are more stupid, some are handicapped, and some are just useless except as cannon fodder.


Essentially. Lux said in an earlier post that agnosticism is the only "intellectually honest" position of a normal person who has not had any spiritual experiences, yet the domineering nature of Christian dogma does not allow for such questioning. Even if a group of people (be they heathens, canaanites, jews, native americans, or us) want nothing to do with the abrahamic god, the bible still expects them to bow down before the assumed "divinity" of Christ. That isn't choice- it's outright tyranny.

Oh and which reminds me... this thread is getting pretty long, and I seriously don't think anyone has mentioned anything about "Sister Emmanuelle" for a few pages. Heck, I don't even know who that is...

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