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#32995 - 12/17/09 09:34 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Meq]
DistroyA Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Meq
I have a large collection of "Abandonware", which are games (quite literally) past their "sell-by date".

Mostly old PC DOS games (I use DosBox and other virtual machines), but also Commodore Amiga (WinUAE is a solid emulator, the Unix edition E-UAE [the Egalitarian Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator, lol] is somewhat lacking though - though WinUAE runs well on Wine).

ScummVM is also good, although I do still have legal copies of every LucasArts SCUMM adventure game made (call me a nerd, lol).


Yes, most of these games look like piles of shit in 2009, but there are some little enhancements (such as the hq2x/hq3x/hq4x pixellation-busting graphical filters) which reduce the eyesore component well for many games.

Some old games have also had fan patches which add real 3D acceleration. Notably Doom 1 and 2, Quake (the original GLQuake fucked up the lighting), Frontier: Elite II (and its sequel First Encounters), and possibly many more.


Has anyone gotten into serious legal do-dos for online piracy?
I knew a guy at my university back in the day who got busted for downloading around 10,000 songs on Kazaa over the university's "ResNet" system.
The other students were shitting themselves.

You're not the only one with a lot of old games on their PC. I've got a shit-ton of Mega-Drive ROMS, a few SNES ROMS and various old games (Although many of them are quite legal, as I own the original cartridges/discs). Plus I've downloaded numerous mp3s illegally (Although I downloaded Killing in the Name by RATM as my first ever legal download the other day, but that was for a different reason entirely...), as well as videos.

I've never heard of anyone I know getting busted for downloading illegally. Hell, my cousin downloads via Torrents all the time when he's at home, and he hasn't been busted yet.

It really is too much of a widespread thing to police. I doubt anyone I know will get busted for it. But, we shall see...
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#33013 - 12/17/09 09:34 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: DistroyA]
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I guess it depends what the Feds feel like doing.
As well as who tells them to go hunting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime..._xmen_movi.html

The comments to the article are kinda funny.
New York is getting more and more fucked up.

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#33072 - 12/19/09 03:46 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Morgan]
ta2zz Offline
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Downloading is no longer the main focus of law enforcement, it hasn't been for a few years now. This guy was nabbed for uploading a complete movie, hence the distributing charge. Add to this the fact it was uploaded before the movie was released which has recently become a more serious charge.

The old ignorance to the law routine is still funny, that and the E-Lawyer telling him what he is really guilty of.

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#33094 - 12/20/09 10:55 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Dimitri]
FdB Offline
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Registered: 09/24/07
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I admit I frequently download illegal copies of music and movies. The reasons are that if I buy them most of my money isn't going to be spent on the artists self but on the second parties which only leech the artist.


Sorry to dispute this, but this is unfactual. While your statement is true for recording artists, it is not this way for cinematography.

When a movie is made there are many stringent contracts signed with various union groups. SAG, WGA, DGA etc etc. No matter if a film is made for theatrical release (goes to a theatre), made for profit (straight to DVD), commercial, tv, you name it. Residuals are paid to pretty much everyone involved. The residuals also include additional payments to actors retirement funds through the guild.

So when you download that ripped TV show instead of waiting for it to re-air or be broadcast legally on the web. You just participated in the erosion of the cast and crews salaries, most of which would have been paid by advertisements and broadcast fees. Steal the latest movie coming out. Doesn't matter that it cost us millions to make with a pretty steep interest rate attached to it. Hey the money isn't going to us anyways is it?

Don't ever say that people involved in movies don't get their royalties, we do and I depend on that money so I can do my next project.
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#33104 - 12/21/09 02:34 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: FdB]
Dimitri Offline
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Well, I never downloaded any television series.
And about the movies, I know that in most cinemas over here quite some royalties are put aside which aren't going to the actors themselves altough it "officially" is for them (neither for the cinema crew self).

I would buy a good movie, point is that there are almost none at the moment.

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So when you download that ripped TV show instead of waiting for it to re-air or be broadcast legally on the web. You just participated in the erosion of the cast and crews salaries, most of which would have been paid by advertisements and broadcast fees.

Most actors have quite a big salary if I'm not mistaking. (At least the ones I tend to view, and I don't watch television that often). The advertisements are a pain in the ass when viewing a serie or film, so in fact I would be doing a good thing then since the amount of commercial break-ups is descending.

I never felt guilty about it anyway.


Edited by Dimitri (12/21/09 02:36 AM)
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#33114 - 12/21/09 11:05 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Dimitri]
FdB Offline
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The royalty system is complex and even more complex to explain. That is how lawyers get rich in this system and its required to have them or your drown fast.

When you go to a cinema, it is concession sales (popcorn, candy etc) that funds the theatre, not ticket sales. Some theatres get a small portion of ticket sales but it isn't very much. This is the reason they must keep 1/2 of the ticket stub. Its for auditors.

The money being paid in the theatre goes towards recouping the costs of making, distributing, duplication (expensive as hell) and marketing of the film. It also goes to pay off the financiers of the production as well, which is a hefty markup. After all these bills are paid then the money made after is called gross profits. It is from gross profits that everyone starts to get royalties. Things that can speed up the process is on merchandising. When a company like Burger King makes glasses with your movie characters or toys are made and sold in stores etc etc. By the time something goes to DVD you should be seeing gross profits.

As for actors. There are only a handful of actors that make big huge money called the A list. They are the top 1%. The average actor makes around $800 - $2K a week for a 6 week shoot depending on budget and release classification. It is the royalty system that brings the pay up to a larger dollar amount later after release. Royalties are forever, they don't expire.

So while some may say that Ms. A List Actor got paid a million dollars to be in the film so why should I care. Well because look at the credits and count the other people who were not Ms. A List Actor. They didn't get paid anywhere near that and are hoping the Ms. A List Actor pulls enough sales in that they too can get paid a living.

Also to note. Royalties do not go to the MPAA. The MPAA makes it's money by suing you lol. It also makes money when we pay to get a rating for our movie (PG, R etc) and other things.

I don't care much for commercials either, but it is interesting to note that the actors in them are getting residuals as well based on the number of times the commercial is played. No matter where you look on that screen, someone is making money off residuals and royalties. \:\)

Now if you get caught stealing then the MPAA comes after you. This is out of the control of any studio. The money they collect, is theirs and we are still out. But its just the way it works. The machine has become to big to change or stop.
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#33115 - 12/21/09 01:07 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: FdB]
Dimitri Offline
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Also to note. Royalties do not go to the MPAA. The MPAA makes it's money by suing you lol. It also makes money when we pay to get a rating for our movie (PG, R etc) and other things.

Reminds me of a story which happened a few months ago...
I was playing for a quite "big" (50+ men) audience untill someone from Sabam ( Belgian equivalent of MPAA) came in and started complaining and demanding if we had payed the rights to play music. Being the cynical bastard I can be ( and at the moment performing artist) I politely asked why they should do so trough the microphone. He responded that "the artist will receive his fair amount of money trough them for the work done (ie, the making of the song)".

Funny part was that he actually responded it to me (the performer at the moment) who was playing his own songs and had the deal of being paid with free drinks during the performance.

It ended up he leaving with his head lowered in shame, and I (and organisators) never heard of him or Sabam concerning that night even if he made a complaint and note about it.

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Now if you get caught stealing then the MPAA comes after you. This is out of the control of any studio. The money they collect, is theirs and we are still out. But its just the way it works.

Caught during the act is always possible, but there is always this twist you can give the situation. Most coverbands tend to have problems with covering songs when it comes to administration once becomming a bit more famous. A friend of mine gave the advice to cover a song but for not getting caught giving it a "personal twist". This way you are making it authentic again and the MPAA or Sabam or... can't start leeching money.
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#38539 - 05/14/10 03:59 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Dimitri]
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I am sort of the "quintessential" pirate. I download everything. I have not bought a CD in years, and same with DVDs. I mod two boards specializing in uploaded movies, music, and games and also own a board. I rip porn sites, rip rare movies, etc. I have access to all the hidden sites around the internet. I'm always ready to help people to get whatever they want. I also know what to do to make sure you don't caught (never use torrents for brand new movies and music etc.) I, however, will go to the theater if something really cool comes out, like "My Bloody Valentine" in 3D. That was a great experience and totally worth the 9 bucks I spent on it.

The companies out there won't go after someone downloading an old movie most of the time, and that is a good thing because ALL movies ever produced are somewhere on the internet. The major companies are mostly worried about the new stuff in the theaters. Movies still make billions, such as "Avatar" so we really don't hurt them that bad. The people downloading will never pay for anything, anyway. Also, the people that get caught always use a service such as "Limwire" or the like that is easy to trace you. P2P is really a no-no if you are scared of getting caught. Direct Download is always the best way to go.





Edited by Gorehound (05/14/10 04:05 AM)

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#38558 - 05/15/10 01:37 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Gorehound]
Severed Soul Offline
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Registered: 04/04/10
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A couple years ago I downloaded tons of CD's mainly because I had no job/ no money to get them. Now that I am involved with music I don't download music unless I know that I am going to buy the CD shortly after. Plus I like to have the hard copy of the CD because of the artwork etc inside. Eventually I plan on covering an entire wall of my bedroom with CD's.
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#41226 - 08/01/10 03:56 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Firstly the usual problem with torrents is the fact that once you get enough of the torrent in or once it completes it begins to seed the file back out into the wild… I could be wrong but this is likely what got you as myself a warning from your ISP.


Encrypt your outgoing packets. You may still get a warning for traffic usage, but the content of what you're sharing should remain obscure.
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#41240 - 08/01/10 08:38 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: SODOMIZER]
ta2zz Offline
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 Originally Posted By: SODOMIZER
Encrypt your outgoing packets. You may still get a warning for traffic usage, but the content of what you're sharing should remain obscure.

Thank you I was sure there were ways but honestly it doesn't bother me much anymore.

Most DVD movies make their way to the $9.99 table or even the $5 table. For the most part anything I downloaded was usually just a place holder until I bought the DVD.

Besides as already stated earlier in this thread I'm nothing but a leech to true pirates anyways. ;\)

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#41247 - 08/01/10 09:13 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: ta2zz]
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Registered: 09/01/07
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I've been leery of downloading anything via torrent, after a DOS attack several months ago sucked up our bandwidth and allowed someone access to our wireless cameras around the house, changing their settings and rendering them useless. We had to buy new cameras and a router.

I've had some luck downloading movies and tv shows from http://www.stagevu.com . They're of decent quality, most are in HD (not DVD HD, mind you, closer to HD tv quality). It's a direct download site, so you don't have to maintain any sort of seed/leech ratio.
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#41286 - 08/02/10 03:40 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Nemesis]
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A quick note here: not all torrents are illegal.

Much of my use of torrents involves getting new open source distros like FreeBSD or various Linuxen, as that puts less of a strain on the (volunteer, not for profit) services that host them.

In addition, I've found a ton of public domain texts online, including two ONA archives.
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#55180 - 05/29/11 05:20 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: SODOMIZER]
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I support the bands I love in every way I can. Money is not one of them :p

I know that music showed me so much even beyond entertainment (and stopped me from becoming a sheep, where I was headed), and if I had to buy it all, I just would not have got it. So, what I am now is built on crime... That's nice.

But I will support them in some way, whenever the opportunity comes. One of these is to go to gigs.

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#55210 - 05/30/11 12:00 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: SerialKeller]
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If you want to know how much of a joke intellectual property law is I suggest you watch one of my favorite documentaries, Sonic Outlaws, which is completely free. You can get in quite a lot of trouble for using the letter U and the numeral 2.

Intellectual property is a concept not relevant to digital media. The point is to guarantee the creator a piece of the monetary value that is necessary to physical production. Scarcity is what logically determines monetary value. Industry leeches (and that includes the artists themselves if they believe people aren't aloud to hear what they make without paying) are trying to enforce laws to protect the artist's cut of the value of scarcity that no longer exists.

Now is usually where people get their panties in a knot about artists going broke and how it's such a shame you can't be a millionaire rockstar anymore. For as long as records have existed artist's work has been stomped on directly by investors and other goons necessary for physical distribution. Popular trends, manipulation of public opinion, censorship, and anything else that might make your project sell better. And yes this includes so called "independent" artists.

Because it's in the realm of art people think there's moral ground to their attempt to sell an obsolete product. If you choose to turn your art into a product you have to play by product rules, and that means if your product is obsolete you rethink it or get out.

"It's the same thing for the cinema and music. If the budget is low then the quality is better. Imagination and creativity predominate. It is very difficult to do something creative with the majors. For them, it's all based on business and money." - John Zorn

So you want to make a project that costs money? Art can be expensive to make. There are much smarter ways of doing it. Kickstarter is the only method I have seen for funding creative projects that doesn't try to leech of false scarcity or try to own the art. Basically you raise donations to make a project happen and you can provide donation incentives, usually a physical copy of what you want made. If the creator doesn't raise the entire amount necessary in the allotted time nobody is charged. You fund a project's creation rather than getting business-minded investors involved.

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