#13696 - 10/31/08 05:41 PM
The Internet Pirate
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Disabuse
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Registered: 09/19/07
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The internet is a major part of today’s culture. Welcome to the information age, where even the most ignorant of humans can educate themselves with a few mouse clicks. There are those who take things a step further. They providing legally protected material to people, free of charge.
The people giving, and the people taking are considered pirates. I would have to say I am guilty of being a pirate. If it saves me money, I’m all for it. Recently, I hacked my Xbox 360 so I can play games before release. The major reason was this season is rather large for great games coming out. So, instead of spending $60 a game, I spend $2 a game for the dual layer dvd+r disk needed to burn 360 games on. I didn’t even give someone else money to hack my 360 for me, I did it myself.
I’m also guilty of pirating music and movies. These two seem to be the most typical forms of piracy. I download, rip and even upload movies. I haven’t purchased a music album in years. Movies are a different strand for me. I have a Netflix account that I pay for 3 disks at a time. I have a purchased copy of AnyDVD and CloneDVD. When I get the movies in the mail, I turn on my external terabyte drive, burn a copy to it and send them right back.
Myself, as far as sites, I don’t really belong to any real exclusive ones. Demonoid is so public, it’s not even worth mentioning. I haven’t had any issues with my ISP and p2p sharing since I started years ago until last week. If you are downloading the HBO series True Blood from torrent sites, I recommend you don’t. HBO is actually tracing the traffic and reporting it to your ISP to suspend your account. I even use two proxies when I p2p share.
So, I wanted to start a thread for people to share invites to private torrent sites, discuss ethical issues raised by pirating, what do you pirate and whatever else included in peer to peer sharing or pirating.
Pirating Applications Used: AnyDVD CloneDVD CloneDVD Mobile ImgBurn Nero Ultra uTorrent
I always scan for viruses on the files before opening/burning them. I use all 3 of these before touching the files: AVG 8 Malwarebytes’ Anti-Malware Spybot Search & Destroy
Sites used: what.cd demonoid.com puretna.com piratebay.org (rarely, I try to avoid this one if I can)
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#13710 - 10/31/08 08:49 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: ta2zz]
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Disabuse
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Registered: 09/19/07
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Firstly the usual problem with torrents is the fact that once you get enough of the torrent in or once it completes it begins to seed the file back out into the wild… I could be wrong but this is likely what got you as myself a warning from your ISP. Yes, it's called seeding. And that is not what my ISP issues arose from. My ISP doesn't monitor my usage, nor do they care what I am doing. HBO itself is monitoring True Blood sharing and is reporting it to ISPs. My ISP had no choice at that point but to "suspend" my account. All I had to do was call them and they reactivated me after telling me they were contacted by HBO for peer to peer activity regarding True Blood.
And the fact that you don't seed, but only leech, is sad to me. I believe if you're going to take, you might as well help give. The only cost is your bandwidth, and you can limit the amount you upload. Whenever my computer goes idle, my torrents will uncap speeds and upload as fast as I can send it. Why not? Not like I'm using it. Only issue I can see why someone wouldn't seed is because their specific ISP monitors and regulates p2p protocols. That's not a provider I'd be happy with at all.
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#13711 - 10/31/08 09:05 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Disabuse]
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Fabiano
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Registered: 09/06/08
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I have made mass illegal copies of PC software in the past. I never bought a video game in my life...
As (probably with the age ) I don’t spend my night playing games or watching movies anymore. Just my needs which are low on this side.
I did not keep myself up to date with P2P and torrent site. I’m just a little bit fed up with my geek side
Anyway, I have an army of young boys at work who will be pleased to give me copies of any movie, software or music I would like. I just have to “order”, the CD is on my desk in few days…
I also used a dish with a cracked decoder. It was boring as the key where sometimes changing frequently. When it was not the crypting algorithm and then you had to wait for the crack and flash the decoder. I gave up and now I have the TV on ASDL (legal and as the mother cpy of my employer is the ISP and TV provider I have big discount – good deal, zero risk).
On the virus side, I played a little bit with them when I was 20. It’s not so hard to realize once you have the basic concepts, if you’re good at assembler.
On the fraud side I’ve been responsible of 2 applications at work, one was “Call Search“ used for providing the info requested by cops & courts. The 2nd was the anti fraud system for detecting fraud on cell phone usage.
On hacking, the success resides in the preparation of the attack. You can spend months in gathering informations on the site you intend to attack. If you don’t know who his ISP is, what kind of web server is used etc, forget about it.
That’s all for what I did/know on the subject
A final remark about artists (I heard about some French ones) who start to have financial difficulties. The piracy, especially for music, impacts the market and I think it cannot last forever like this. We’ll face a crisis soon or later but I don’t see how it could be stopped. All actors will have to adapt abruptly.
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#13712 - 10/31/08 10:32 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Disabuse]
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Nemesis
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Registered: 09/01/07
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Loc: US
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I try to seed any torrents that I download whenever I'm running my p2p software. After a month, I will delete the torrent and data file from my pc to make way for new ones. I use Azureus/Vuze for movies, whole cd's, programs and cracks. For individual mp3's I use Limewire. I don't leave either one of those programs running, only when I am downloading.
When searching for torrents to download, I do a query on Torrentz.com , and it displays several locations for me to download them from.
I take the time to read reviews for each torrent, left by those unfortunate who were the first to download it and experience any problems. Coupled with scanning for any viruses or trojans, I've managed to do well with not installing any bad shit on my pc.
I also copy my completed downloads to a folder on my external hard drive, and after I'm done seeding them for a time, delete them from my internal drive.
To me, nothing can compare with seeing a movie on the big screen, or even better, on Imax. The only movies I download are ones that I've paid the $9 for and seen at the movies, or ones that I missed, and like to rewatch over and over. I can't get enough of "Batman Begins", mostly due to the fact that I love watching Christian Bale simply breathe, much less look sexy in a suit and kick some ass. I've even had several of my avi movies converted/compressed and uploaded to my iPod Touch using Videora freeware, so I can watch them at any time. Christian Bale and Harold and Kumarr on demand! I have an mp3 jack in my new SUV (what new car doesn't come with one nowadays?), so I can watch movies on my iPod and listen in surround sound!
Listening to "Half-Baked" on the way to work in the morning was like icing on the cake. I promise that I only watched it while sitting at red lights
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#14023 - 11/07/08 11:15 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Bacchae]
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Diavolo
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Registered: 09/02/07
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I used to have everything illegal in the old days even before they invented the CD or DVD. With the rise of the first CD recorders, we copied and sold about everything we could get our hands on. During those days the internet was a freehaven and especially sex in all kinds was a popular thing to sell. You would find everything on the web and I mean really everything. None had the patience to watch a vid that took ages and ages to get on your screen so buying compilations was popular. Those were the days an average guy had to jack off at a picture on the internet, can you imagine. That market collapsed when all the kiddos were making lunch money at daddies PC and using the burner only he could afford.
So my interest in it all kinda faded. If I really need something, I'll hop out my credit card and get a subscription at sites like easynews and download whatever I need -at max speed- but I can't say I use it much.
Music I seldom buy or download. I only buy about all the shit Nick Cave makes and that's it. Yes I know, I'm an old man. I hardly listen to music however, maybe 1 hour a week max. At times weeks without. I prefer silence, no music at my computer, no multimedia whatever in my car.
Movies the same, I occasionally buy one but that's it. Never the 'latest' revelation. If you wait a couple of weeks, you get the same shit at half the price. I won't die from not having it seen the moment it gets out. I hate going to the movies, so that's no option anyways.
So I got a spiffy connection down here with close to no 'surveillance' but I lost the need to abuse it.
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#14322 - 11/12/08 10:08 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Morgan]
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silverray
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Registered: 05/21/08
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I download music from official band sites.
As for iTunes, I think it's a great way to get a load of music without having to worry about anything going into the trash. (cds, plastic wrapping...)
I'm not sure where I can download movies and the such, though.
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#26678 - 07/02/09 02:35 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
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Saligia
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Registered: 05/03/09
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Loc: Manchester, England
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I tend to try and buy my music and films as often as possible. There are two reasons for this, the first one being that I tend to appreciate the music I've bought more than the music I've downloaded. I'm not exactly sure why this is the case, perhaps it's the feeling of having "treated yourself" to a CD rather than simply acquired one. The second reason I avoid downloads is because I'm a real technophobe at times, the thought of downloading files just makes me plain uncomfortable.
One of the notable exceptions to this general rule of mine was when I was looking for Tim Skold's music. Having searched Amazon and ebay and finding only £30 second hand albums I decided to risk dowloading his songs. Some of them I took from youtube (after a quick lesson on how to download youtube audio files) and the others I took from http://www.symphonyofnoise.com/binv2/ListenSkold/index.html if anybody is interested (you just have to save the files to your computer and rename them). I'm honestly not sure about whether or not my method of getting these songs was legal or not. Even if it was illegal I really don't care, as much as I try to abide by the law, £30 for a ten track album is just plain scandalous!
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#26712 - 07/03/09 12:09 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Saligia]
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Jester
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Registered: 02/05/09
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Loc: Montreal, Quebec, Canada
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I download music but if I like the album enough I will buy it as well. I like to collect albums, if I buy an album I own it, when I download it, I feel like I am borrowing it. Movies I don't download, not for any moral reasons I just like collecting movies. I am not against people who download movies, but I do hate when people whine about not being able to find a good quality pirated copy. If you want to see the movie just go to the theatre. I like going to the theatre. I prefer the smaller independent ones that play foreign and independent films over the megaplex's, even though they are few and far between. I like buying popcorn and sitting in the uncomfortable chairs, I enjoy the whole movie going experience. I have to say though, I prefer going on a slow night, if I am going to fork over the money for a movie I would prefer to watch and listen to the movie and not listen to some jackass talk on his cell or listen to someone chat it up with friends. My rule for going to a movie, sit down and shut the fuck up.
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#26714 - 07/03/09 12:46 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Jester]
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TornadoCreator
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Registered: 10/24/07
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I have to agree with Woland here but I'm going to go a step further.
I don't want to have to go out, spend money I don't have, stand around with people I don't know and listen to bands I've never heard of to listen to crappy music that you feel is "real" Octavius because it's no more real than any other music.
I like music, in fact I love music. I spend a great deal of time listening to it, but I will spend a good week or so listening to a CD on, normally illegally downloaded, MP3 format because quite frankly I'm not paying for shit. I do buy CD's but only if they pass my test. I need to enjoy at least half the tracks on the CD, I also need to have listened to it for a week or so and not be bored of it. This means it's worth spending my money on it, and CD's are better quality than MP3's.
No-one wants to waste their money any more. They don't want to buy something and hope they get value for money. They want their product first and maybe, if it's really good, they'll give you some money for it. It's why no-one pays for music or film any more, and certainly why no-one goes to stage shows, concerts and cinemas. I know I look for youtube videos of live shows before I see anyone live, just because if they're no good live I don't want to waste my cash. Remember a cinema ticket costs more than some DVD's now, I'd rather own my films, not watch them once. Same with CD's and concerts.
If I didn't do this I wouldn't buy CD's or DVD's. I don't have a great deal of cash and I would likely spend the cash on food, drink etc. if I couldn't choose carefully what I buy by basically seeing/hearing it before I pay for it.
Hell I even do this with video games. I have a pirated copy of the Diablo games. Why? Because I wanted to try then out and I was offered a set. I played them, I liked them. I had played them before but it was years ago. I've already bought them now, online, and they'll be delivered in about 5 days. Why did I buy something I already have? Because it means I can register the game and play online. It also means I support the company but honestly, I would only do that if it was a company that needed my support and Blizzard isn't one of those.
Basically what I'm saying is pirating is the future, people will find a way of getting what they want because people don't have money any more and want to carefully choose what they buy. The general populous resent large companies and they don't want to pay stupid prices for entertainment, of cause this will slowly dissolve the entertainment industry because no-one would dare tell actors, singers and sports personalities that $1 million per week is an unfair wage. Perhaps if these people where paid something more reasonable entertainment would be a lot cheaper and people wouldn't bother to pirate any more. I know I'd buy a CD or DVD if it was £2-3 in stead of £10-20 because it's only the price of a pint at the pub, it makes it a throw away amount of cash.
...perhaps I've spend a little too much time around communists.
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#26754 - 07/03/09 08:59 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Disabuse]
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Meq
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Registered: 08/28/07
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Loc: UK
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I have a large collection of "Abandonware", which are games (quite literally) past their "sell-by date".
Mostly old PC DOS games (I use DosBox and other virtual machines), but also Commodore Amiga (WinUAE is a solid emulator, the Unix edition E-UAE [the Egalitarian Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator, lol] is somewhat lacking though - though WinUAE runs well on Wine).
ScummVM is also good, although I do still have legal copies of every LucasArts SCUMM adventure game made (call me a nerd, lol).
Yes, most of these games look like piles of shit in 2009, but there are some little enhancements (such as the hq2x/hq3x/hq4x pixellation-busting graphical filters) which reduce the eyesore component well for many games.
Some old games have also had fan patches which add real 3D acceleration. Notably Doom 1 and 2, Quake (the original GLQuake fucked up the lighting), Frontier: Elite II (and its sequel First Encounters), and possibly many more.
Has anyone gotten into serious legal do-dos for online piracy? I knew a guy at my university back in the day who got busted for downloading around 10,000 songs on Kazaa over the university's "ResNet" system. The other students were shitting themselves.
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#32371 - 11/29/09 07:59 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: TV is God]
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Gutfood
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Registered: 11/26/09
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I do have a tendency to download pretty much everything If I can find it online, games, applications, music, e-books etc. Even my Ipod Touch is jailbroken and has a bunch on cracked applications on it.
However, I do tend to buy games that I have been looking forward to rather than downloading, and as a family most of our music is all bought and paid for. Also, if I can get a piece of software that does the same thing, but is open-source and free, I'll pick that rather than downloading a priced piece of software.
I don't really see much problem in pirating things from massive companies, they're making millions whether or not I download their stuff. But, I do see why people trying to market their products would get pretty pissed off with pirates.
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#32552 - 12/05/09 01:58 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Room 101]
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Gemini
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Registered: 03/18/09
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Loc: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
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I'm fairly guilty of stealing music - pretty frequently, in fact. Although excuses are like assholes, mine is that much of the music I play out is simply unavailable on vinyl (my preferred format).
I still buy my fair share of music - more than the average consumer, I reckon (I spend, on average, some $200-$350 a month on records and legal MP3 downloads). I consider myself an exception to the "downloading pirated music is stealing" rule.
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#32558 - 12/05/09 06:18 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Dimitri]
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Gemini
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Registered: 03/18/09
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Loc: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma
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I admit I frequently download illegal copies of music and movies. The reasons are that if I buy them most of my money isn't going to be spent on the artists self but on the second parties which only leech the artist. Shit. I forgot about that. Tack that on to my reasoning, as well.
And, sorry for taking it a bit off-topic, but...
I should also note that there are certain limits, some bands ask too much money to perform when in fact they aren't even worth it. An artists work (IMO) should be something that was made with and for fun only. Starting to ask money for every crappy note you play is asking for trouble if you aren't talented enough, it's artistic suicide. This, unless you can offort it if you already have a well-established position in the entertainment sector.
As a musician myself (should I also use stand-up comedian for the few shows I did?) I never asked money to perform. The only conditions I had was good working sound material (which most of the time was mine) and free consumption during the act. I had quite some succes but in the end never wanted to achieve a breaktrough. Why didn't I want a breaktrough? I felt happy with the situation, I could do my own thing, decide what I should play or do without some asshole leeching me on the back telling how or what to do. I've never and still not regret that choice.
I never ask, either. I'm pretty upfront with most venue owners and promoters: I love doing what I do so much, I'll gladly do it for free. I do occasionally add, "if you feel my performance is worthy of payment, after the fact, I'll take whatever you want to throw at me," which usually averages out to a couple of hundred bucks.
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#32563 - 12/05/09 11:19 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Gemini]
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Damis
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Registered: 12/10/08
Posts: 50
Loc: England
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I am certainly guilty of downloading music illegally, my 100GB collection speaks for that. However if I find a band or piece of music I really like or can't find anywhere else, I will usually buy the CD or download the odd track off iTunes. I regard purchasing albums in physical format as something fuelled for me at least more by sentiment, having the knowledge that I own a physical piece of work by an artist or band that I really like. Almost all the music I like is considered underground and ran by very small record labels, so there is a better chance that the artist is receiving their due share of the proceeds too.
Movies however I don't download often, for the reason that I don't watch a lot of them. However I personally don't believe in picking up a DVD at a shop that I have never seen before, due to the risk of not actually liking the movie itself and the result being a waste of my money, therefore by downloading a film and watching it then deleting it, I can decide if I am willing to spend money on a DVD copy. As for the Cinema, it's not just the film that I pay for in my eyes, it's the cinema experience, the good quality, great sound and screen and atmosphere you can only find in a movie theatre.
As for video games, I don't play a lot of them either these days, but generally I buy second hand games for my Xbox 360 and PC, or trade some of my existing ones in that I no longer play.
The only justification I can think of for downloading music illegally is that it is so costly and there is so much of it, but I realise it's not a justification that really stands to scrutiny if you try and apply it to real world objects such as cars. Stealing cars because they are in your mind too costly doesn't really float, if when like me you support capitalism. Although the difference there is, music in digital format is easy to steal, cars less so :P.
However concerning software, I try to stick to freeware or open source, I am willing to pay for sensibly priced software however. Everything I use is either Open Source or available free of charge anyway, so there isn't much of a problem there for me.
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#32995 - 12/17/09 09:34 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Meq]
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DistroyA
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Registered: 02/04/08
Posts: 451
Loc: Derbyshire, UK
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I have a large collection of "Abandonware", which are games (quite literally) past their "sell-by date".
Mostly old PC DOS games (I use DosBox and other virtual machines), but also Commodore Amiga (WinUAE is a solid emulator, the Unix edition E-UAE [the Egalitarian Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator, lol] is somewhat lacking though - though WinUAE runs well on Wine).
ScummVM is also good, although I do still have legal copies of every LucasArts SCUMM adventure game made (call me a nerd, lol).
Yes, most of these games look like piles of shit in 2009, but there are some little enhancements (such as the hq2x/hq3x/hq4x pixellation-busting graphical filters) which reduce the eyesore component well for many games.
Some old games have also had fan patches which add real 3D acceleration. Notably Doom 1 and 2, Quake (the original GLQuake fucked up the lighting), Frontier: Elite II (and its sequel First Encounters), and possibly many more.
Has anyone gotten into serious legal do-dos for online piracy? I knew a guy at my university back in the day who got busted for downloading around 10,000 songs on Kazaa over the university's "ResNet" system. The other students were shitting themselves. You're not the only one with a lot of old games on their PC. I've got a shit-ton of Mega-Drive ROMS, a few SNES ROMS and various old games (Although many of them are quite legal, as I own the original cartridges/discs). Plus I've downloaded numerous mp3s illegally (Although I downloaded Killing in the Name by RATM as my first ever legal download the other day, but that was for a different reason entirely...), as well as videos.
I've never heard of anyone I know getting busted for downloading illegally. Hell, my cousin downloads via Torrents all the time when he's at home, and he hasn't been busted yet.
It really is too much of a widespread thing to police. I doubt anyone I know will get busted for it. But, we shall see...
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#33094 - 12/20/09 10:55 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Dimitri]
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Fluffy D. Bunny
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Registered: 09/24/07
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I admit I frequently download illegal copies of music and movies. The reasons are that if I buy them most of my money isn't going to be spent on the artists self but on the second parties which only leech the artist.
Sorry to dispute this, but this is unfactual. While your statement is true for recording artists, it is not this way for cinematography.
When a movie is made there are many stringent contracts signed with various union groups. SAG, WGA, DGA etc etc. No matter if a film is made for theatrical release (goes to a theatre), made for profit (straight to DVD), commercial, tv, you name it. Residuals are paid to pretty much everyone involved. The residuals also include additional payments to actors retirement funds through the guild.
So when you download that ripped TV show instead of waiting for it to re-air or be broadcast legally on the web. You just participated in the erosion of the cast and crews salaries, most of which would have been paid by advertisements and broadcast fees. Steal the latest movie coming out. Doesn't matter that it cost us millions to make with a pretty steep interest rate attached to it. Hey the money isn't going to us anyways is it?
Don't ever say that people involved in movies don't get their royalties, we do and I depend on that money so I can do my next project.
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#33104 - 12/21/09 02:34 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Fluffy D. Bunny]
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Dimitri
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Registered: 07/13/08
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Well, I never downloaded any television series. And about the movies, I know that in most cinemas over here quite some royalties are put aside which aren't going to the actors themselves altough it "officially" is for them (neither for the cinema crew self).
I would buy a good movie, point is that there are almost none at the moment.
So when you download that ripped TV show instead of waiting for it to re-air or be broadcast legally on the web. You just participated in the erosion of the cast and crews salaries, most of which would have been paid by advertisements and broadcast fees. Most actors have quite a big salary if I'm not mistaking. (At least the ones I tend to view, and I don't watch television that often). The advertisements are a pain in the ass when viewing a serie or film, so in fact I would be doing a good thing then since the amount of commercial break-ups is descending.
I never felt guilty about it anyway.
Edited by Dimitri (12/21/09 02:36 AM)
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#33114 - 12/21/09 11:05 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
[Re: Dimitri]
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Fluffy D. Bunny
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The royalty system is complex and even more complex to explain. That is how lawyers get rich in this system and its required to have them or your drown fast.
When you go to a cinema, it is concession sales (popcorn, candy etc) that funds the theatre, not ticket sales. Some theatres get a small portion of ticket sales but it isn't very much. This is the reason they must keep 1/2 of the ticket stub. Its for auditors.
The money being paid in the theatre goes towards recouping the costs of making, distributing, duplication (expensive as hell) and marketing of the film. It also goes to pay off the financiers of the production as well, which is a hefty markup. After all these bills are paid then the money made after is called gross profits. It is from gross profits that everyone starts to get royalties. Things that can speed up the process is on merchandising. When a company like Burger King makes glasses with your movie characters or toys are made and sold in stores etc etc. By the time something goes to DVD you should be seeing gross profits.
As for actors. There are only a handful of actors that make big huge money called the A list. They are the top 1%. The average actor makes around $800 - $2K a week for a 6 week shoot depending on budget and release classification. It is the royalty system that brings the pay up to a larger dollar amount later after release. Royalties are forever, they don't expire.
So while some may say that Ms. A List Actor got paid a million dollars to be in the film so why should I care. Well because look at the credits and count the other people who were not Ms. A List Actor. They didn't get paid anywhere near that and are hoping the Ms. A List Actor pulls enough sales in that they too can get paid a living.
Also to note. Royalties do not go to the MPAA. The MPAA makes it's money by suing you lol. It also makes money when we pay to get a rating for our movie (PG, R etc) and other things.
I don't care much for commercials either, but it is interesting to note that the actors in them are getting residuals as well based on the number of times the commercial is played. No matter where you look on that screen, someone is making money off residuals and royalties. 
Now if you get caught stealing then the MPAA comes after you. This is out of the control of any studio. The money they collect, is theirs and we are still out. But its just the way it works. The machine has become to big to change or stop.
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#33115 - 12/21/09 01:07 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
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Also to note. Royalties do not go to the MPAA. The MPAA makes it's money by suing you lol. It also makes money when we pay to get a rating for our movie (PG, R etc) and other things.
Reminds me of a story which happened a few months ago... I was playing for a quite "big" (50+ men) audience untill someone from Sabam ( Belgian equivalent of MPAA) came in and started complaining and demanding if we had payed the rights to play music. Being the cynical bastard I can be ( and at the moment performing artist) I politely asked why they should do so trough the microphone. He responded that "the artist will receive his fair amount of money trough them for the work done (ie, the making of the song)".
Funny part was that he actually responded it to me (the performer at the moment) who was playing his own songs and had the deal of being paid with free drinks during the performance.
It ended up he leaving with his head lowered in shame, and I (and organisators) never heard of him or Sabam concerning that night even if he made a complaint and note about it.
Now if you get caught stealing then the MPAA comes after you. This is out of the control of any studio. The money they collect, is theirs and we are still out. But its just the way it works. Caught during the act is always possible, but there is always this twist you can give the situation. Most coverbands tend to have problems with covering songs when it comes to administration once becomming a bit more famous. A friend of mine gave the advice to cover a song but for not getting caught giving it a "personal twist". This way you are making it authentic again and the MPAA or Sabam or... can't start leeching money.
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#38539 - 05/14/10 03:59 AM
Re: The Internet Pirate
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I am sort of the "quintessential" pirate. I download everything. I have not bought a CD in years, and same with DVDs. I mod two boards specializing in uploaded movies, music, and games and also own a board. I rip porn sites, rip rare movies, etc. I have access to all the hidden sites around the internet. I'm always ready to help people to get whatever they want. I also know what to do to make sure you don't caught (never use torrents for brand new movies and music etc.) I, however, will go to the theater if something really cool comes out, like "My Bloody Valentine" in 3D. That was a great experience and totally worth the 9 bucks I spent on it.
The companies out there won't go after someone downloading an old movie most of the time, and that is a good thing because ALL movies ever produced are somewhere on the internet. The major companies are mostly worried about the new stuff in the theaters. Movies still make billions, such as "Avatar" so we really don't hurt them that bad. The people downloading will never pay for anything, anyway. Also, the people that get caught always use a service such as "Limwire" or the like that is easy to trace you. P2P is really a no-no if you are scared of getting caught. Direct Download is always the best way to go.
Edited by Gorehound (05/14/10 04:05 AM)
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#41226 - 08/01/10 03:56 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
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SODOMIZER
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Firstly the usual problem with torrents is the fact that once you get enough of the torrent in or once it completes it begins to seed the file back out into the wild… I could be wrong but this is likely what got you as myself a warning from your ISP.
Encrypt your outgoing packets. You may still get a warning for traffic usage, but the content of what you're sharing should remain obscure.
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#41286 - 08/02/10 03:40 PM
Re: The Internet Pirate
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A quick note here: not all torrents are illegal.
Much of my use of torrents involves getting new open source distros like FreeBSD or various Linuxen, as that puts less of a strain on the (volunteer, not for profit) services that host them.
In addition, I've found a ton of public domain texts online, including two ONA archives.
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