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#13696 - 10/31/08 05:41 PM The Internet Pirate
Disabuse Offline
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The internet is a major part of today’s culture. Welcome to the information age, where even the most ignorant of humans can educate themselves with a few mouse clicks. There are those who take things a step further. They providing legally protected material to people, free of charge.

The people giving, and the people taking are considered pirates. I would have to say I am guilty of being a pirate. If it saves me money, I’m all for it. Recently, I hacked my Xbox 360 so I can play games before release. The major reason was this season is rather large for great games coming out. So, instead of spending $60 a game, I spend $2 a game for the dual layer dvd+r disk needed to burn 360 games on. I didn’t even give someone else money to hack my 360 for me, I did it myself.

I’m also guilty of pirating music and movies. These two seem to be the most typical forms of piracy. I download, rip and even upload movies. I haven’t purchased a music album in years. Movies are a different strand for me. I have a Netflix account that I pay for 3 disks at a time. I have a purchased copy of AnyDVD and CloneDVD. When I get the movies in the mail, I turn on my external terabyte drive, burn a copy to it and send them right back.

Myself, as far as sites, I don’t really belong to any real exclusive ones. Demonoid is so public, it’s not even worth mentioning. I haven’t had any issues with my ISP and p2p sharing since I started years ago until last week. If you are downloading the HBO series True Blood from torrent sites, I recommend you don’t. HBO is actually tracing the traffic and reporting it to your ISP to suspend your account. I even use two proxies when I p2p share.

So, I wanted to start a thread for people to share invites to private torrent sites, discuss ethical issues raised by pirating, what do you pirate and whatever else included in peer to peer sharing or pirating.

Pirating Applications Used:
AnyDVD
CloneDVD
CloneDVD Mobile
ImgBurn
Nero Ultra
uTorrent

I always scan for viruses on the files before opening/burning them. I use all 3 of these before touching the files:
AVG 8
Malwarebytes’ Anti-Malware
Spybot Search & Destroy

Sites used:
what.cd
demonoid.com
puretna.com
piratebay.org (rarely, I try to avoid this one if I can)
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#13698 - 10/31/08 06:34 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Disabuse]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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I download alot of music and movies, I also still buy music and every now and then will pay to go see a movie if it looks good enough. One of my favorite programs for downloading is called zultrax. You can download it from zultrax.com and it is a great little program. I use it to download movies, software, and e-books. The best thing about it is that it is free; free of price and of spyware. Another good free downloading program is graboid. My only issue with that one is when you get a free membership, you have a limited amount of bandwith. Once it runs out you are expected to pay to keep downloading. There is another site I go to when I just want to watch movies online and not have to download them. The site is watch-free-movie.org. There is a pretty good selection of movies on this site and many of them are still in theaters. The only problem i've had with it is choosing the appropriate link provided by the site to watch the movie. Also every now and then i'll click on a link that has been removed because it was reported. It is still better than having to spend $9+ to go see a movie in the theater.
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#13709 - 10/31/08 08:40 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
ta2zz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/07
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The following information is for educational purposes only…

Where to start…

Firstly the usual problem with torrents is the fact that once you get enough of the torrent in or once it completes it begins to seed the file back out into the wild… I could be wrong but this is likely what got you as myself a warning from your ISP.

Hints to not get you in trouble: Do not share, stop the download when going to bed to not accidentally share, when the file is complete close the program and move it out of the folder your program downloads to… A friend of mine who downloads a lot of movies swears by a program called PeerGuardian (freeware)…

To copy DVD’s I prefer a program called DVD Shrink (also freeware)… With it you can easily re-author a DVD removing foreign language tracks and other garbage… It also does a fair job at compressing whatever you throw at it to fit on a single layer DVD disk with good quality… It will also open and re-author any DVD files already stored on your hard drive…

Now what I do find interesting is how many supposed paid warez sites there are nowadays… I mean seriously would you pay with your credit card (exposing your banking information) to these people?

Watching a movie on a computer monitor is hardly ever comparable to seeing a movie on a theater screen… A few recent movies that come to mind are Transformers, Iron Man, Cloverfield, 300… Then again there are other movies that loose nothing from theater screen to TV…

But then again if you really need to save $9… That makes it sound so petty… Usually the movies I download I end up buying the retail disk at a later date… Consider it an inferior preview copy… Where to end… There is so much more that could be said, perhaps I will pick it back up at a later date…

This is all I want to share at the present time…

Enjoy

~T~
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#13710 - 10/31/08 08:49 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Firstly the usual problem with torrents is the fact that once you get enough of the torrent in or once it completes it begins to seed the file back out into the wild… I could be wrong but this is likely what got you as myself a warning from your ISP.

Yes, it's called seeding. And that is not what my ISP issues arose from. My ISP doesn't monitor my usage, nor do they care what I am doing. HBO itself is monitoring True Blood sharing and is reporting it to ISPs. My ISP had no choice at that point but to "suspend" my account. All I had to do was call them and they reactivated me after telling me they were contacted by HBO for peer to peer activity regarding True Blood.

And the fact that you don't seed, but only leech, is sad to me. I believe if you're going to take, you might as well help give. The only cost is your bandwidth, and you can limit the amount you upload. Whenever my computer goes idle, my torrents will uncap speeds and upload as fast as I can send it. Why not? Not like I'm using it. Only issue I can see why someone wouldn't seed is because their specific ISP monitors and regulates p2p protocols. That's not a provider I'd be happy with at all.
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#13711 - 10/31/08 09:05 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Disabuse]
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I have made mass illegal copies of PC software in the past. I never bought a video game in my life...

As (probably with the age \:\) ) I don’t spend my night playing games or watching movies anymore. Just my needs which are low on this side.

I did not keep myself up to date with P2P and torrent site. I’m just a little bit fed up with my geek side \:\)

Anyway, I have an army of young boys at work who will be pleased to give me copies of any movie, software or music I would like. I just have to “order”, the CD is on my desk in few days…

I also used a dish with a cracked decoder. It was boring as the key where sometimes changing frequently. When it was not the crypting algorithm and then you had to wait for the crack and flash the decoder. I gave up and now I have the TV on ASDL (legal and as the mother cpy of my employer is the ISP and TV provider I have big discount – good deal, zero risk).

On the virus side, I played a little bit with them when I was 20. It’s not so hard to realize once you have the basic concepts, if you’re good at assembler.

On the fraud side I’ve been responsible of 2 applications at work, one was “Call Search“ used for providing the info requested by cops & courts. The 2nd was the anti fraud system for detecting fraud on cell phone usage.

On hacking, the success resides in the preparation of the attack. You can spend months in gathering informations on the site you intend to attack. If you don’t know who his ISP is, what kind of web server is used etc, forget about it.


That’s all for what I did/know on the subject

A final remark about artists (I heard about some French ones) who start to have financial difficulties. The piracy, especially for music, impacts the market and I think it cannot last forever like this. We’ll face a crisis soon or later but I don’t see how it could be stopped. All actors will have to adapt abruptly.

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#13712 - 10/31/08 10:32 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Disabuse]
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I try to seed any torrents that I download whenever I'm running my p2p software. After a month, I will delete the torrent and data file from my pc to make way for new ones. I use Azureus/Vuze for movies, whole cd's, programs and cracks. For individual mp3's I use Limewire. I don't leave either one of those programs running, only when I am downloading.

When searching for torrents to download, I do a query on Torrentz.com , and it displays several locations for me to download them from.

I take the time to read reviews for each torrent, left by those unfortunate who were the first to download it and experience any problems. Coupled with scanning for any viruses or trojans, I've managed to do well with not installing any bad shit on my pc.

I also copy my completed downloads to a folder on my external hard drive, and after I'm done seeding them for a time, delete them from my internal drive.

To me, nothing can compare with seeing a movie on the big screen, or even better, on Imax. The only movies I download are ones that I've paid the $9 for and seen at the movies, or ones that I missed, and like to rewatch over and over. I can't get enough of "Batman Begins", mostly due to the fact that I love watching Christian Bale simply breathe, much less look sexy in a suit and kick some ass. I've even had several of my avi movies converted/compressed and uploaded to my iPod Touch using Videora freeware, so I can watch them at any time. Christian Bale and Harold and Kumarr on demand! I have an mp3 jack in my new SUV (what new car doesn't come with one nowadays?), so I can watch movies on my iPod and listen in surround sound!

Listening to "Half-Baked" on the way to work in the morning was like icing on the cake. I promise that I only watched it while sitting at red lights ;\)
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#13718 - 11/01/08 01:05 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Disabuse]
Bacchae Offline
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i am a dirty pirate motherfucker. I use mainly soulseek for music, and I havent bought a mainstream major label album in years. most of what I listen to is considered obscure metal or avant garde/experimental, or its long out of print blues, and soulseek is frequently the only place to find such things.
see I tell myself that but then I have a 100gb of music. so yes, i have an addiction.

i am building a computer for recording currently and i am desperately hunting down audio apps now, and I find myself at the mercy of torrent sites such as pirate bay or mininova. im using some Vuze thing and its retarded slow.

if anyone has a spare invite to demonoid or similar, please do let me know!

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#14023 - 11/07/08 11:15 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Bacchae]
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I used to have everything illegal in the old days even before they invented the CD or DVD. With the rise of the first CD recorders, we copied and sold about everything we could get our hands on. During those days the internet was a freehaven and especially sex in all kinds was a popular thing to sell. You would find everything on the web and I mean really everything.
None had the patience to watch a vid that took ages and ages to get on your screen so buying compilations was popular.
Those were the days an average guy had to jack off at a picture on the internet, can you imagine.
That market collapsed when all the kiddos were making lunch money at daddies PC and using the burner only he could afford.

So my interest in it all kinda faded. If I really need something, I'll hop out my credit card and get a subscription at sites like easynews and download whatever I need -at max speed- but I can't say I use it much.

Music I seldom buy or download. I only buy about all the shit Nick Cave makes and that's it. Yes I know, I'm an old man. I hardly listen to music however, maybe 1 hour a week max. At times weeks without. I prefer silence, no music at my computer, no multimedia whatever in my car.

Movies the same, I occasionally buy one but that's it. Never the 'latest' revelation. If you wait a couple of weeks, you get the same shit at half the price. I won't die from not having it seen the moment it gets out. I hate going to the movies, so that's no option anyways.

So I got a spiffy connection down here with close to no 'surveillance' but I lost the need to abuse it.

D.

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#14039 - 11/07/08 05:21 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Diavolo]
Marilyn Offline
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Registered: 09/05/08
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I still buy DVD's and CD's..
but also download too.
I have allot of DVD's. + i think it looks awesome when u visit someone and there is a whole wall of movies and all.
another good thing about dvd's, are the extra features.
and i might be the only one here, but i still buy VINYL too!
nothing beats good old vinyl spinning on sl 1210's


but download program i use are:
ARES
FROST WIRE

thats about it,, hahaha


too bad that mp3 is killing the vinyl industry and also taking down the CD industry too \:\(
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#14053 - 11/08/08 01:49 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Marilyn]
Butterz Offline
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Registered: 09/26/08
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Movies and music I download. I rarely download the whole album. The only program I use is limewire. Recently a friend of mine got sued for illegal downloading. He settled out of court for 3500 dollers. I still risk it tho. Occasionaly I will burn and sell movies to my friends.
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#14057 - 11/08/08 09:09 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Butterz]
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Registered: 08/31/07
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Back in the day....

There was an app called Virtual IP that give servers a bogus IP. I believe this is how most RIAA detectives find people.

As a general rule, I don't believe in stealing intellectual property from individuals. I couldn't give a fuck about the intellectual property of a soulless corporation. Corporations are simply legal constructs. Although the law is written to the contrary, in an absolute moral sense corporations do not have any right to the same protections enjoyed by flesh and blood people.
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#14232 - 11/11/08 07:16 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Fist]
Woland Moderator Offline
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I NEVER download any pirated material and I frown at the practice.
The reason for this is simple; if someone is producing entertainment, they need to be paid for their troubles.
A successful producer needs fundings to produce.
If I produce, I expect to get paid.

Anybody ripping me off?
I do not react kindly...

The notion of "insta-rebellion" which most internet-pirateers struts around is IMNSHO cheap and boring.

I faithfully support I-tunes as I consider it a business of value to me.
Loads of music that will never be commercially re-published as CDs are availiable for download.
And; I am more than willing to contribute financially to this practice being upheld and expanding.
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#14289 - 11/12/08 04:32 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Woland]
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I also only download bought or free music and movies. I still buy alot of music at my local cd store, although my daughter loves our Itunes account.

I have subscription tv, so I get movies through that for the most part.

That's not to say I have absolutely no pireted stuff on my computer, I have been known to accept 'gifts' from others, but I'm for the most part against stealing in any form.

Zeph
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#14319 - 11/12/08 09:28 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: ZephyrGirl]
Morgan Offline
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I have a lot of friends in bands. I don't like/buy pirated music or movies because it takes money out of their pockets.

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#14322 - 11/12/08 10:08 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Morgan]
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I download music from official band sites.

As for iTunes, I think it's a great way to get a load of music without having to worry about anything going into the trash. (cds, plastic wrapping...)

I'm not sure where I can download movies and the such, though.

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#14331 - 11/13/08 01:14 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: silverray]
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I'll add to this only because I'm a working musician and have strong opinions on the topic...

Every free download of my music may well get a lot of listens, but it does me no good. iTunes has made it so you can now enjoy music through your headphones from the comfort of your living room. iTunes has damn near killed CD sales, damn near killed radio, and has certainly had a drastic effect on those who used to actually leave their homes to see music performed LIVE. I love going to shows and interacting with people. I love getting off on a band who may well be terrible, but is putting 110% into music they wrote. When the music is good, there's a vibe that sweeps through the club or bar and elevates the crowd. It creates euphoria that can't be replicated by listening to your iPod.

My advice: go out and support your local music scene. See a band you know nothing about. Expose yourself to REAL music, not downloaded studio mixes that have been sterilized by over-production and auto-tuning software. Keep it real, raw, and LIVE.

Octavius

(www.myspace.com/grandemachine)
(www.myspace.com/thecrimenovels)
(www.myspace.com/mkamusic)

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#14339 - 11/13/08 04:33 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Octavius]
Woland Moderator Offline
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Youre such a Luddite, Octavious.
Next thing you will be frowning at amplifiers as well? ;\)

I do enjoy live music, but I also enjoy reproductive music.
Figure they are different set of tools, applied to the same art.
Computers & Internet are, (in my book), stimulating music.
I get to experience composers & bands I would never ever have heard about, and that is a good thing.
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#26669 - 07/02/09 01:18 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Woland]
Satans Scrotum Offline
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Registered: 06/28/09
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I buy a lot of DVD's and CD's, but I'm also guilty of piracy too. Usually the things I pirate are old and forgotten and would take forever trying to find at record stores. I used to only use Bittorrent and other torrent clients like uTorrent and such, but recently I only been downloading from Rapidshare. Everything downloads quicker with no sharing and I have no problem finding what I want.

For the people who torrent, I recommend cinemageddon.org! for those that remember the show MonsterVision hosted by Joe Bob Briggs on the TNT network in the early 90's. I recently downloaded most the episodes of that, real treat for those who remember and liked the show.

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#26678 - 07/02/09 02:35 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Satans Scrotum]
Saligia Offline
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I tend to try and buy my music and films as often as possible. There are two reasons for this, the first one being that I tend to appreciate the music I've bought more than the music I've downloaded. I'm not exactly sure why this is the case, perhaps it's the feeling of having "treated yourself" to a CD rather than simply acquired one. The second reason I avoid downloads is because I'm a real technophobe at times, the thought of downloading files just makes me plain uncomfortable.

One of the notable exceptions to this general rule of mine was when I was looking for Tim Skold's music. Having searched Amazon and ebay and finding only £30 second hand albums I decided to risk dowloading his songs. Some of them I took from youtube (after a quick lesson on how to download youtube audio files) and the others I took from http://www.symphonyofnoise.com/binv2/ListenSkold/index.html if anybody is interested (you just have to save the files to your computer and rename them).
I'm honestly not sure about whether or not my method of getting these songs was legal or not. Even if it was illegal I really don't care, as much as I try to abide by the law, £30 for a ten track album is just plain scandalous!

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#26712 - 07/03/09 12:09 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Saligia]
Jester Offline
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Registered: 02/05/09
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I download music but if I like the album enough I will buy it as well. I like to collect albums, if I buy an album I own it, when I download it, I feel like I am borrowing it. Movies I don't download, not for any moral reasons I just like collecting movies. I am not against people who download movies, but I do hate when people whine about not being able to find a good quality pirated copy. If you want to see the movie just go to the theatre. I like going to the theatre. I prefer the smaller independent ones that play foreign and independent films over the megaplex's, even though they are few and far between. I like buying popcorn and sitting in the uncomfortable chairs, I enjoy the whole movie going experience. I have to say though, I prefer going on a slow night, if I am going to fork over the money for a movie I would prefer to watch and listen to the movie and not listen to some jackass talk on his cell or listen to someone chat it up with friends. My rule for going to a movie, sit down and shut the fuck up. \:\)
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#26714 - 07/03/09 12:46 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Jester]
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I have to agree with Woland here but I'm going to go a step further.

I don't want to have to go out, spend money I don't have, stand around with people I don't know and listen to bands I've never heard of to listen to crappy music that you feel is "real" Octavius because it's no more real than any other music.

I like music, in fact I love music. I spend a great deal of time listening to it, but I will spend a good week or so listening to a CD on, normally illegally downloaded, MP3 format because quite frankly I'm not paying for shit. I do buy CD's but only if they pass my test. I need to enjoy at least half the tracks on the CD, I also need to have listened to it for a week or so and not be bored of it. This means it's worth spending my money on it, and CD's are better quality than MP3's.

No-one wants to waste their money any more. They don't want to buy something and hope they get value for money. They want their product first and maybe, if it's really good, they'll give you some money for it. It's why no-one pays for music or film any more, and certainly why no-one goes to stage shows, concerts and cinemas. I know I look for youtube videos of live shows before I see anyone live, just because if they're no good live I don't want to waste my cash. Remember a cinema ticket costs more than some DVD's now, I'd rather own my films, not watch them once. Same with CD's and concerts.

If I didn't do this I wouldn't buy CD's or DVD's. I don't have a great deal of cash and I would likely spend the cash on food, drink etc. if I couldn't choose carefully what I buy by basically seeing/hearing it before I pay for it.

Hell I even do this with video games. I have a pirated copy of the Diablo games. Why? Because I wanted to try then out and I was offered a set. I played them, I liked them. I had played them before but it was years ago. I've already bought them now, online, and they'll be delivered in about 5 days. Why did I buy something I already have? Because it means I can register the game and play online. It also means I support the company but honestly, I would only do that if it was a company that needed my support and Blizzard isn't one of those.

Basically what I'm saying is pirating is the future, people will find a way of getting what they want because people don't have money any more and want to carefully choose what they buy. The general populous resent large companies and they don't want to pay stupid prices for entertainment, of cause this will slowly dissolve the entertainment industry because no-one would dare tell actors, singers and sports personalities that $1 million per week is an unfair wage. Perhaps if these people where paid something more reasonable entertainment would be a lot cheaper and people wouldn't bother to pirate any more. I know I'd buy a CD or DVD if it was £2-3 in stead of £10-20 because it's only the price of a pint at the pub, it makes it a throw away amount of cash.

...perhaps I've spend a little too much time around communists.
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#26754 - 07/03/09 08:59 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Disabuse]
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I have a large collection of "Abandonware", which are games (quite literally) past their "sell-by date".

Mostly old PC DOS games (I use DosBox and other virtual machines), but also Commodore Amiga (WinUAE is a solid emulator, the Unix edition E-UAE [the Egalitarian Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator, lol] is somewhat lacking though - though WinUAE runs well on Wine).

ScummVM is also good, although I do still have legal copies of every LucasArts SCUMM adventure game made (call me a nerd, lol).


Yes, most of these games look like piles of shit in 2009, but there are some little enhancements (such as the hq2x/hq3x/hq4x pixellation-busting graphical filters) which reduce the eyesore component well for many games.

Some old games have also had fan patches which add real 3D acceleration. Notably Doom 1 and 2, Quake (the original GLQuake fucked up the lighting), Frontier: Elite II (and its sequel First Encounters), and possibly many more.


Has anyone gotten into serious legal do-dos for online piracy?
I knew a guy at my university back in the day who got busted for downloading around 10,000 songs on Kazaa over the university's "ResNet" system.
The other students were shitting themselves.

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#26756 - 07/03/09 10:56 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Meq]
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I've never known anyone to get into trouble for it, I've only heard of stories and the obligatory friend of a friend of a friend who got arrested. It's never anyone I've known and literally everyone I know pirates stuff. It's not something that can be realistically policed. Everyone can access the internet and practically everyone does. Just look at YouTube, there was an "anti-YouTube" video posted by one popular member (thunderf00t) because he was fed up of the YouTube censorship policies. Because YouTube didn't like his video they removed it and banned him, within 24 hours there were over 50,000 copies of the video all over YouTube and others on other sites, they had no choice but to give in. The people have too much control over the net now, it can't be policed, especially with all the masking programs online, produced free by the hacking and cracking community. I run at least two such programs at all times myself.
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#31725 - 11/15/09 01:10 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: TornadoCreator]
TV is God Moderator Offline
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I've thought a lot about this subject. I myself pirate quite a bit. The only thing I have bad feelings about is when I'm downloading an album from a band I know isn't making money.

Whether or not people think it's right or wrong for the creators the simple truth is piracy is too big and too easy to ever be stopped. Free music, movies, programs, and games have simply become a standard of the internet. The entertainment and software industries are just going to have to evolve around it and figure out a new way sell.

Even if it's at the expense of these industry and artists (although I'd argue that the industry itself have been the biggest expense and burden to these artists) I can only see free media as a higher standard of life.

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#32371 - 11/29/09 07:59 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: TV is God]
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I do have a tendency to download pretty much everything If I can find it online, games, applications, music, e-books etc. Even my Ipod Touch is jailbroken and has a bunch on cracked applications on it.

However, I do tend to buy games that I have been looking forward to rather than downloading, and as a family most of our music is all bought and paid for. Also, if I can get a piece of software that does the same thing, but is open-source and free, I'll pick that rather than downloading a priced piece of software.

I don't really see much problem in pirating things from massive companies, they're making millions whether or not I download their stuff. But, I do see why people trying to market their products would get pretty pissed off with pirates.

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#32535 - 12/04/09 05:18 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: silverray]
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I work in IT, specialising in ati piracy/forensics.
I can honestly say that I don’t deal with the theft of music, movies etc, but I do deal in software plagiarism.

It’s an extremely common problem in the IT industry; I myself have worked for a number of companies that use pirated software (ironic as I now work in a field that actively prohibits this).
I understand how it is done, how to avoid detection and the profit margins involved for those that call it a business, but I do STEAL.

Sad as it may sound, I simply cannot abide the inflammatory prices imposed upon such products (remember for a moment the I KNOW the actual price of production/development, in software alone).

I can't honestly in good conscience vow that theft (lets face it, that’s what it is) of music and film is morally expectable, but I can say that I for one lose no sleep over a ripped copy of Vita.


Edited by Room 101 (12/04/09 05:20 PM)
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#32552 - 12/05/09 01:58 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Room 101]
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I'm fairly guilty of stealing music - pretty frequently, in fact. Although excuses are like assholes, mine is that much of the music I play out is simply unavailable on vinyl (my preferred format).

I still buy my fair share of music - more than the average consumer, I reckon (I spend, on average, some $200-$350 a month on records and legal MP3 downloads). I consider myself an exception to the "downloading pirated music is stealing" rule.
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#32555 - 12/05/09 05:32 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Octavius]
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I admit I frequently download illegal copies of music and movies. The reasons are that if I buy them most of my money isn't going to be spent on the artists self but on the second parties which only leech the artist.

I do not mind going to festivals and small shows if I know that the money spent is going to the artists themselves. I wouldn't even mind paying a few extra euro's if the band/artist raised his price to perform at a certain place.


I should also note that there are certain limits, some bands ask too much money to perform when in fact they aren't even worth it. An artists work (IMO) should be something that was made with and for fun only. Starting to ask money for every crappy note you play is asking for trouble if you aren't talented enough, it's artistic suicide. This, unless you can offort it if you already have a well-established position in the entertainment sector.

As a musician myself (should I also use stand-up comedian for the few shows I did?) I never asked money to perform. The only conditions I had was good working sound material (which most of the time was mine) and free consumption during the act. I had quite some succes but in the end never wanted to achieve a breaktrough. Why didn't I want a breaktrough? I felt happy with the situation, I could do my own thing, decide what I should play or do without some asshole leeching me on the back telling how or what to do. I've never and still not regret that choice.
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#32558 - 12/05/09 06:18 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I admit I frequently download illegal copies of music and movies. The reasons are that if I buy them most of my money isn't going to be spent on the artists self but on the second parties which only leech the artist.

Shit. I forgot about that. Tack that on to my reasoning, as well.

And, sorry for taking it a bit off-topic, but...
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I should also note that there are certain limits, some bands ask too much money to perform when in fact they aren't even worth it. An artists work (IMO) should be something that was made with and for fun only. Starting to ask money for every crappy note you play is asking for trouble if you aren't talented enough, it's artistic suicide. This, unless you can offort it if you already have a well-established position in the entertainment sector.

As a musician myself (should I also use stand-up comedian for the few shows I did?) I never asked money to perform. The only conditions I had was good working sound material (which most of the time was mine) and free consumption during the act. I had quite some succes but in the end never wanted to achieve a breaktrough. Why didn't I want a breaktrough? I felt happy with the situation, I could do my own thing, decide what I should play or do without some asshole leeching me on the back telling how or what to do. I've never and still not regret that choice.


I never ask, either. I'm pretty upfront with most venue owners and promoters: I love doing what I do so much, I'll gladly do it for free. I do occasionally add, "if you feel my performance is worthy of payment, after the fact, I'll take whatever you want to throw at me," which usually averages out to a couple of hundred bucks.
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#32563 - 12/05/09 11:19 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Gemini]
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I am certainly guilty of downloading music illegally, my 100GB collection speaks for that. However if I find a band or piece of music I really like or can't find anywhere else, I will usually buy the CD or download the odd track off iTunes. I regard purchasing albums in physical format as something fuelled for me at least more by sentiment, having the knowledge that I own a physical piece of work by an artist or band that I really like. Almost all the music I like is considered underground and ran by very small record labels, so there is a better chance that the artist is receiving their due share of the proceeds too.

Movies however I don't download often, for the reason that I don't watch a lot of them. However I personally don't believe in picking up a DVD at a shop that I have never seen before, due to the risk of not actually liking the movie itself and the result being a waste of my money, therefore by downloading a film and watching it then deleting it, I can decide if I am willing to spend money on a DVD copy. As for the Cinema, it's not just the film that I pay for in my eyes, it's the cinema experience, the good quality, great sound and screen and atmosphere you can only find in a movie theatre.

As for video games, I don't play a lot of them either these days, but generally I buy second hand games for my Xbox 360 and PC, or trade some of my existing ones in that I no longer play.

The only justification I can think of for downloading music illegally is that it is so costly and there is so much of it, but I realise it's not a justification that really stands to scrutiny if you try and apply it to real world objects such as cars. Stealing cars because they are in your mind too costly doesn't really float, if when like me you support capitalism. Although the difference there is, music in digital format is easy to steal, cars less so :P.

However concerning software, I try to stick to freeware or open source, I am willing to pay for sensibly priced software however. Everything I use is either Open Source or available free of charge anyway, so there isn't much of a problem there for me.
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#32995 - 12/17/09 09:34 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Meq]
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 Originally Posted By: Meq
I have a large collection of "Abandonware", which are games (quite literally) past their "sell-by date".

Mostly old PC DOS games (I use DosBox and other virtual machines), but also Commodore Amiga (WinUAE is a solid emulator, the Unix edition E-UAE [the Egalitarian Ubiquitous Amiga Emulator, lol] is somewhat lacking though - though WinUAE runs well on Wine).

ScummVM is also good, although I do still have legal copies of every LucasArts SCUMM adventure game made (call me a nerd, lol).


Yes, most of these games look like piles of shit in 2009, but there are some little enhancements (such as the hq2x/hq3x/hq4x pixellation-busting graphical filters) which reduce the eyesore component well for many games.

Some old games have also had fan patches which add real 3D acceleration. Notably Doom 1 and 2, Quake (the original GLQuake fucked up the lighting), Frontier: Elite II (and its sequel First Encounters), and possibly many more.


Has anyone gotten into serious legal do-dos for online piracy?
I knew a guy at my university back in the day who got busted for downloading around 10,000 songs on Kazaa over the university's "ResNet" system.
The other students were shitting themselves.

You're not the only one with a lot of old games on their PC. I've got a shit-ton of Mega-Drive ROMS, a few SNES ROMS and various old games (Although many of them are quite legal, as I own the original cartridges/discs). Plus I've downloaded numerous mp3s illegally (Although I downloaded Killing in the Name by RATM as my first ever legal download the other day, but that was for a different reason entirely...), as well as videos.

I've never heard of anyone I know getting busted for downloading illegally. Hell, my cousin downloads via Torrents all the time when he's at home, and he hasn't been busted yet.

It really is too much of a widespread thing to police. I doubt anyone I know will get busted for it. But, we shall see...
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#33013 - 12/17/09 09:34 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: DistroyA]
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I guess it depends what the Feds feel like doing.
As well as who tells them to go hunting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime..._xmen_movi.html

The comments to the article are kinda funny.
New York is getting more and more fucked up.

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#33072 - 12/19/09 03:46 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Morgan]
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Downloading is no longer the main focus of law enforcement, it hasn't been for a few years now. This guy was nabbed for uploading a complete movie, hence the distributing charge. Add to this the fact it was uploaded before the movie was released which has recently become a more serious charge.

The old ignorance to the law routine is still funny, that and the E-Lawyer telling him what he is really guilty of.

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#33094 - 12/20/09 10:55 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I admit I frequently download illegal copies of music and movies. The reasons are that if I buy them most of my money isn't going to be spent on the artists self but on the second parties which only leech the artist.


Sorry to dispute this, but this is unfactual. While your statement is true for recording artists, it is not this way for cinematography.

When a movie is made there are many stringent contracts signed with various union groups. SAG, WGA, DGA etc etc. No matter if a film is made for theatrical release (goes to a theatre), made for profit (straight to DVD), commercial, tv, you name it. Residuals are paid to pretty much everyone involved. The residuals also include additional payments to actors retirement funds through the guild.

So when you download that ripped TV show instead of waiting for it to re-air or be broadcast legally on the web. You just participated in the erosion of the cast and crews salaries, most of which would have been paid by advertisements and broadcast fees. Steal the latest movie coming out. Doesn't matter that it cost us millions to make with a pretty steep interest rate attached to it. Hey the money isn't going to us anyways is it?

Don't ever say that people involved in movies don't get their royalties, we do and I depend on that money so I can do my next project.
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#33104 - 12/21/09 02:34 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: FdB]
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Well, I never downloaded any television series.
And about the movies, I know that in most cinemas over here quite some royalties are put aside which aren't going to the actors themselves altough it "officially" is for them (neither for the cinema crew self).

I would buy a good movie, point is that there are almost none at the moment.

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So when you download that ripped TV show instead of waiting for it to re-air or be broadcast legally on the web. You just participated in the erosion of the cast and crews salaries, most of which would have been paid by advertisements and broadcast fees.

Most actors have quite a big salary if I'm not mistaking. (At least the ones I tend to view, and I don't watch television that often). The advertisements are a pain in the ass when viewing a serie or film, so in fact I would be doing a good thing then since the amount of commercial break-ups is descending.

I never felt guilty about it anyway.


Edited by Dimitri (12/21/09 02:36 AM)
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#33114 - 12/21/09 11:05 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Dimitri]
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The royalty system is complex and even more complex to explain. That is how lawyers get rich in this system and its required to have them or your drown fast.

When you go to a cinema, it is concession sales (popcorn, candy etc) that funds the theatre, not ticket sales. Some theatres get a small portion of ticket sales but it isn't very much. This is the reason they must keep 1/2 of the ticket stub. Its for auditors.

The money being paid in the theatre goes towards recouping the costs of making, distributing, duplication (expensive as hell) and marketing of the film. It also goes to pay off the financiers of the production as well, which is a hefty markup. After all these bills are paid then the money made after is called gross profits. It is from gross profits that everyone starts to get royalties. Things that can speed up the process is on merchandising. When a company like Burger King makes glasses with your movie characters or toys are made and sold in stores etc etc. By the time something goes to DVD you should be seeing gross profits.

As for actors. There are only a handful of actors that make big huge money called the A list. They are the top 1%. The average actor makes around $800 - $2K a week for a 6 week shoot depending on budget and release classification. It is the royalty system that brings the pay up to a larger dollar amount later after release. Royalties are forever, they don't expire.

So while some may say that Ms. A List Actor got paid a million dollars to be in the film so why should I care. Well because look at the credits and count the other people who were not Ms. A List Actor. They didn't get paid anywhere near that and are hoping the Ms. A List Actor pulls enough sales in that they too can get paid a living.

Also to note. Royalties do not go to the MPAA. The MPAA makes it's money by suing you lol. It also makes money when we pay to get a rating for our movie (PG, R etc) and other things.

I don't care much for commercials either, but it is interesting to note that the actors in them are getting residuals as well based on the number of times the commercial is played. No matter where you look on that screen, someone is making money off residuals and royalties. \:\)

Now if you get caught stealing then the MPAA comes after you. This is out of the control of any studio. The money they collect, is theirs and we are still out. But its just the way it works. The machine has become to big to change or stop.
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#33115 - 12/21/09 01:07 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: FdB]
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Also to note. Royalties do not go to the MPAA. The MPAA makes it's money by suing you lol. It also makes money when we pay to get a rating for our movie (PG, R etc) and other things.

Reminds me of a story which happened a few months ago...
I was playing for a quite "big" (50+ men) audience untill someone from Sabam ( Belgian equivalent of MPAA) came in and started complaining and demanding if we had payed the rights to play music. Being the cynical bastard I can be ( and at the moment performing artist) I politely asked why they should do so trough the microphone. He responded that "the artist will receive his fair amount of money trough them for the work done (ie, the making of the song)".

Funny part was that he actually responded it to me (the performer at the moment) who was playing his own songs and had the deal of being paid with free drinks during the performance.

It ended up he leaving with his head lowered in shame, and I (and organisators) never heard of him or Sabam concerning that night even if he made a complaint and note about it.

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Now if you get caught stealing then the MPAA comes after you. This is out of the control of any studio. The money they collect, is theirs and we are still out. But its just the way it works.

Caught during the act is always possible, but there is always this twist you can give the situation. Most coverbands tend to have problems with covering songs when it comes to administration once becomming a bit more famous. A friend of mine gave the advice to cover a song but for not getting caught giving it a "personal twist". This way you are making it authentic again and the MPAA or Sabam or... can't start leeching money.
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#38539 - 05/14/10 03:59 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Dimitri]
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I am sort of the "quintessential" pirate. I download everything. I have not bought a CD in years, and same with DVDs. I mod two boards specializing in uploaded movies, music, and games and also own a board. I rip porn sites, rip rare movies, etc. I have access to all the hidden sites around the internet. I'm always ready to help people to get whatever they want. I also know what to do to make sure you don't caught (never use torrents for brand new movies and music etc.) I, however, will go to the theater if something really cool comes out, like "My Bloody Valentine" in 3D. That was a great experience and totally worth the 9 bucks I spent on it.

The companies out there won't go after someone downloading an old movie most of the time, and that is a good thing because ALL movies ever produced are somewhere on the internet. The major companies are mostly worried about the new stuff in the theaters. Movies still make billions, such as "Avatar" so we really don't hurt them that bad. The people downloading will never pay for anything, anyway. Also, the people that get caught always use a service such as "Limwire" or the like that is easy to trace you. P2P is really a no-no if you are scared of getting caught. Direct Download is always the best way to go.





Edited by Gorehound (05/14/10 04:05 AM)

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#38558 - 05/15/10 01:37 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Gorehound]
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A couple years ago I downloaded tons of CD's mainly because I had no job/ no money to get them. Now that I am involved with music I don't download music unless I know that I am going to buy the CD shortly after. Plus I like to have the hard copy of the CD because of the artwork etc inside. Eventually I plan on covering an entire wall of my bedroom with CD's.
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#41226 - 08/01/10 03:56 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Firstly the usual problem with torrents is the fact that once you get enough of the torrent in or once it completes it begins to seed the file back out into the wild… I could be wrong but this is likely what got you as myself a warning from your ISP.


Encrypt your outgoing packets. You may still get a warning for traffic usage, but the content of what you're sharing should remain obscure.
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#41240 - 08/01/10 08:38 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: SODOMIZER]
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 Originally Posted By: SODOMIZER
Encrypt your outgoing packets. You may still get a warning for traffic usage, but the content of what you're sharing should remain obscure.

Thank you I was sure there were ways but honestly it doesn't bother me much anymore.

Most DVD movies make their way to the $9.99 table or even the $5 table. For the most part anything I downloaded was usually just a place holder until I bought the DVD.

Besides as already stated earlier in this thread I'm nothing but a leech to true pirates anyways. ;\)

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#41247 - 08/01/10 09:13 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: ta2zz]
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I've been leery of downloading anything via torrent, after a DOS attack several months ago sucked up our bandwidth and allowed someone access to our wireless cameras around the house, changing their settings and rendering them useless. We had to buy new cameras and a router.

I've had some luck downloading movies and tv shows from http://www.stagevu.com . They're of decent quality, most are in HD (not DVD HD, mind you, closer to HD tv quality). It's a direct download site, so you don't have to maintain any sort of seed/leech ratio.
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#41286 - 08/02/10 03:40 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Nemesis]
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A quick note here: not all torrents are illegal.

Much of my use of torrents involves getting new open source distros like FreeBSD or various Linuxen, as that puts less of a strain on the (volunteer, not for profit) services that host them.

In addition, I've found a ton of public domain texts online, including two ONA archives.
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#55180 - 05/29/11 05:20 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: SODOMIZER]
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I support the bands I love in every way I can. Money is not one of them :p

I know that music showed me so much even beyond entertainment (and stopped me from becoming a sheep, where I was headed), and if I had to buy it all, I just would not have got it. So, what I am now is built on crime... That's nice.

But I will support them in some way, whenever the opportunity comes. One of these is to go to gigs.

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#55210 - 05/30/11 12:00 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: SerialKeller]
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If you want to know how much of a joke intellectual property law is I suggest you watch one of my favorite documentaries, Sonic Outlaws, which is completely free. You can get in quite a lot of trouble for using the letter U and the numeral 2.

Intellectual property is a concept not relevant to digital media. The point is to guarantee the creator a piece of the monetary value that is necessary to physical production. Scarcity is what logically determines monetary value. Industry leeches (and that includes the artists themselves if they believe people aren't aloud to hear what they make without paying) are trying to enforce laws to protect the artist's cut of the value of scarcity that no longer exists.

Now is usually where people get their panties in a knot about artists going broke and how it's such a shame you can't be a millionaire rockstar anymore. For as long as records have existed artist's work has been stomped on directly by investors and other goons necessary for physical distribution. Popular trends, manipulation of public opinion, censorship, and anything else that might make your project sell better. And yes this includes so called "independent" artists.

Because it's in the realm of art people think there's moral ground to their attempt to sell an obsolete product. If you choose to turn your art into a product you have to play by product rules, and that means if your product is obsolete you rethink it or get out.

"It's the same thing for the cinema and music. If the budget is low then the quality is better. Imagination and creativity predominate. It is very difficult to do something creative with the majors. For them, it's all based on business and money." - John Zorn

So you want to make a project that costs money? Art can be expensive to make. There are much smarter ways of doing it. Kickstarter is the only method I have seen for funding creative projects that doesn't try to leech of false scarcity or try to own the art. Basically you raise donations to make a project happen and you can provide donation incentives, usually a physical copy of what you want made. If the creator doesn't raise the entire amount necessary in the allotted time nobody is charged. You fund a project's creation rather than getting business-minded investors involved.

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#55290 - 05/31/11 06:37 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: TV is God]
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Is this considered "Taking what isn't yours"? I think so...hmmm I don't know though. Someone please tell me why it wouldn't fall into this "sin"?
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#55291 - 05/31/11 06:42 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Pizgatti]
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#55293 - 05/31/11 07:25 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Pizgatti]
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 Originally Posted By: Pizgatti
Is this considered "Taking what isn't yours"? I think so...hmmm I don't know though. Someone please tell me why it wouldn't fall into this "sin"?
In addition to Diavolo's point you assert that making a copy of something infinitely copied without ridding anyone of anything is a form of "taking" something. I don't think it's presumptions to assume the law was saying to not rid people of things. No one loses anything with piracy. They only lose potential money that only exists if you were willing to pay for it if piracy was not an option.
I wonder how many musicians make their profit in merchandise and live shows because of the publicity they've received for their unintentionally free music?

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#55315 - 06/01/11 05:59 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: TV is God]
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Just wanted to add this because it's a great pro-piracy story.

This censored cover is for an amazing new "children's book for adults" entitled Go the Fuck to Sleep. This book jumped to the NUMBER ONE slot on amazon. The fun part? It hasn't been published yet. Thanks to the popularity of the leaked pdf file of this book it has jumped to number one in pre-orders alone. Shows how much piracy hurts the creative.

Also I'm not denying part of the reason is that this is the BEST IDEA EVER.

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#55324 - 06/01/11 10:10 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: TV is God]
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 Originally Posted By: TV is God
 Originally Posted By: Pizgatti
Is this considered "Taking what isn't yours"? I think so...hmmm I don't know though. Someone please tell me why it wouldn't fall into this "sin"?
In addition to Diavolo's point you assert that making a copy of something infinitely copied without ridding anyone of anything is a form of "taking" something. I don't think it's presumptions to assume the law was saying to not rid people of things. No one loses anything with piracy. They only lose potential money that only exists if you were willing to pay for it if piracy was not an option.
I wonder how many musicians make their profit in merchandise and live shows because of the publicity they've received for their unintentionally free music?


Interesting. I think I was just on the wrong train of thought, and the tracks led into a brick wall. My mistake.

Also, I think I'll get that book for my nine month old.

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#55689 - 06/11/11 04:31 AM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: Pizgatti]
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I love music and I download music. For me it is a quality check though as I also buy everything I like. For me the feeling of having an actual physical record in my hands and flipping through the booklet reading the linear notes and lyrics is just great fun.

With movies however I tend to only download and watch and not buy regardless of the quality of the movie. But then again Im not hugely into movies anyway. I also seem to have an attitude that the format on which I buy the movie will soon be outdated anyway making a collection worthless in the future (the same can be said for CD's of course but with them I dont care).

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#70517 - 08/25/12 02:57 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: TheInsane]
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Like Morgan, I also have friends in the music and publishing industries. It is not to their benefit to have their intellectual property downloaded without permission or compensation. I won't do it. Having said that, I fully realize the train has left the station on this issue. People will download anything that is uploaded (sometimes not even knowing they are "pirating") As such, I don't bother with moral or ethical arguments. I just don't do it personally.
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#76678 - 05/27/13 02:22 PM Re: The Internet Pirate [Re: SODOMIZER]
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 Originally Posted By: SODOMIZER
A quick note here: not all torrents are illegal.

I've found a ton of public domain texts online


Torrents are a great way to find obscure public domain information. I've found a lot of old recordings of old folk music I was looking for that way.

When I was a member of Demonoid, I typically looked for public domain content packed into torrents. After a while though, the program was giving my computer some troubles, so I removed it.

I suppose there's mixed feelings about Piritism. If I want to support an artist, the best way I can think to do that is to commission a piece of artwork, or purchase some of their mixed media material.

I remember back in the early days when I stumbled across Steven Leyba, right off I bought one of his art books, and CD's of the spoken word. That led me to commission some artwork, and we maintain an association to this day. He's even stayed at my home when we collaborated on a project and hung-out.

One of the more argumentative discussions we've had has been about Piritism. For example, an artist might consider a Pirate a detestable creature but at closer examination you find that same artist pirating. If he/she decides what is and isn't art, it somehow makes them less disingenuous about it.

In terms of music as one example, claiming that the Commercial Empire has that Artist by the balls and shouldn't be supported is among the debated topics. Sure, everyone gets a cut, but pirating leaves less of it to the Artist that originated the 'art'. On one hand people may/may not care about the Artist, if the Artist isn't the 'art' in question. If the art stands on its own, then what's being sold for profit? The marketing? The carrier? Do you follow? On the other, some feel as if the Artist is the art, you are basically stealing a piece of that person, and you should pay for it. It all becomes rather circular, how valuable is your expressionism?

In terms of maintaining your art form as a form of Employment, some of it boils down to Copyright Law, and that can get rather convoluted. I watched Copyright used as part of a psychological warfare battle between two parties, and both were broke and on welfare, so I'm sure you can figure out relatively quickly how that panned out in the end.

I use music for background noise in some of my videos on youtube, some of them get flagged for Copyright violations; however the way around that is you let youtube add a link to the artists music and its all good.

Most Newsreports have a Copyright claim published at the bottom of the article, and with Social Media it's damn near impossible to run after every person that violates it. There's Fair Use and Creative Commons, so there's always a loophole.
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