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#14062 - 11/08/08 03:20 PM Re: Racism [Re: Bacchae]
Diavolo Offline
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I checked the statistics, not the lastest ones mind you, and Mohamed is indeed the number one on the list in the Brussels area but overall in Belgium, it's 28 or so. Nothing to worry about if you ask me.
At a time, the Dutch names Jan and Kees were so much in use in your place that you still have the remnant Yankees named after it. In a worst case scenario, they'll call us Mohamins in a couple of centuries. I can't be bothered too much.

I think the headscarf theme is more an issue because we are carebears. Most interpret the scarves as a symbol of oppression and have big problems with that. Rather funny when you have an SM figure nailed to a cross on display throughout society.

I can't say I have ever been bothered by muslims or whomever. The ones I know or knew were rather decent.
Most of my trouble has been with whities.

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#14186 - 11/11/08 08:46 AM Re: Racism [Re: Diavolo]
Woland Moderator Offline
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Racist, Schmacist...

I prefer to call it culturalism.
Silly really, how the primitive urges of "us & them" seems to bounce back, especially in times of economical depression.

Cultural polarization is still the new loud.
And have been so for as long as written communication can tell.
Is there pride in succumbing to suche base material?
I think not...

My personal views are those of hyper-individualism.
I detest the culture I was/am brought up in.
I collect small trinkets of wisdom from all cultures.
Civilization is much like art, 95% bullshit and 5% true value.

How can I possibly be a hyper-individualist and at the same time be a cultural bigot?
Sorry man; no can do...
An asshole is an asshole, black, white, brown etc.
But unlike many of you, I try to be positive in my journey through life.
I call it "Realistic Optimism"!

Bitterness eats the soul...

I would like to point out that; IMNSHO, racism or culturalism or ethnocentrism or whatever, borders on Socialism.
And that is one socio-political view I simply cannot stand.
(Let me point out that the US, much like China, is a socialist community in extreme.)

A guy once tried to sell me a socialist newspaper...
I decined his colportation politely and said; No thanks, I am an Individualist!
He gave me a puzzled look and replied; One does not exclude the other?
I said; Of course it does...


Edited by Woland (11/11/08 08:49 AM)
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#14458 - 11/15/08 10:55 AM Re: Racism [Re: Woland]
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Personally there is nothing wrong with racism. I myself am not a rascist, however I do view it as a thing that helps our society go 'round. I say this because most people need a way to vent out their own problems. It is far much simpler to blame them on others in this case it be a group of people. This helps out society because people find their niche in it. Some people think it makes them important to fight such things, others it makes feel better about themselves to hate a group of people in order to forget their problems. I need to go for now I have gaurd but I will finish this thought later tonight.
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#14989 - 11/28/08 03:26 AM Re: Racism [Re: Butterz]
Jaguar Offline
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Registered: 08/08/08
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If you serve our country via military, you are hence a valued member of our country. To me that is my value. Fist may not share the same respect but I have great respect for fist's values since he has shown them to me as a Satanists. Fist is anti-government to the core. I don't know about the rest of you guys or gals. I am not anti-government but I respect people who are.

I believe if you serve our country in the military, you are an American and deserve the right to be called one if you do..


In other words, I respect Fist and I respect people that serve our military, if that made any sense. I suck at typing sometimes.
My log in name is Pillsburydilldough, hence the silly image, since jaguar doesn't make a bit a since.
Cheers!


Edited by Jaguar (11/28/08 03:33 AM)
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#15024 - 11/28/08 02:48 PM Re: Racism [Re: Jaguar]
Dimitri Offline
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I believe if you serve our country in the military, you are an American and deserve the right to be called one if you do..

Being trained to kill people makes you proud of being an American? The world really is at his end...

Don't start nagging about "Joining the military is protecting our glorious nation.." and the rest of that crap. The army is indeed there to defend the country, but with weapons against other people. And I wouldn't be proud of "serving a country" who goes at war for economical reasons. It is a well-known fact here in Europe that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is all about oil.
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#15096 - 11/29/08 09:44 AM Re: Racism [Re: Jaguar]
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If you serve our country via military, you are hence a valued member of our country.


What the fuck is that suppose to mean?

I am a soldier because it suits me. I am violent and generally anti-social. I like to fight and I enjoy killing in the context that it satisfies my divine sense of justice. Is that wrong? I might as well make a living at it. Most of military life is some flavor of tedium. There are very few true warrior (those who live for war) in the military. Most would be just at home working at the DMV or some other worthless govt job.

As long as they send the check on the 1st and the 15th I will keep coming to work and fighting YOUR wars.
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#15099 - 11/29/08 11:36 AM Re: Racism [Re: Dimitri]
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And I wouldn't be proud of "serving a country" who goes at war for economical reasons. It is a well-known fact here in Europe that the war in Iraq and Afghanistan is all about oil.


Afghanistan was a major training ground and a safe haven for individuals who attacked the United States.

Iraq, is a mess, and many if not most Americans, including myself, are clueless as to why we are really there.
I suspect that it was a major screw up by those in power, and instead of admitting it as such, they are attempting to convince us, that we are there for a good reason.

As for fighting those wars for economic reasons; The United States's economy is about as bad as it has ever been, with the exception of the "great depression" area.

Both wars have cost us Billions of dollars, that we could have well used here. The price of gasoline has never been so high. So I'm at a loss, as to how anyone can say, that these wars are for economic reasons.
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#15100 - 11/29/08 12:30 PM Re: Racism [Re: Asmedious]
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1)There is only 1 group of persons who attacked the US. And from who came the idea it was a safe place for them to hide? From what I received from the media, the US military almost attacked whole villages for reasons as "hiding the attackers". These statements weren't even founded. Just thin air, I'd almost say it was an american way for revenge because they lost on that surface a couple of years ago.

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Both wars have cost us Billions of dollars, that we could have well used here. The price of gasoline has never been so high. So I'm at a loss, as to how anyone can say, that these wars are for economic reasons.
Quite simple solution to this part. Think long-term. Afghanistan is one of the countries close to Russia. Russia has enormous oil-reserves still hidden beneath it's surface. Once they start drilling they will become mightier then the arabs. They will transport their oil to the whole world. If Afghanistan is a friend/under US government oil-transportations are much cheaper. US will have Russia enclosed on 2 sides wich can make you guys economy much better.
And stop complaining about high oil prizes in the US. You may come to Belgium and start filling your car here. You'll pay much more here then back in the US.
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#15101 - 11/29/08 12:49 PM Re: Racism [Re: Asmedious]
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War has always been good for the economy in that it stimulates the populace into consuming more.

As far as the reasons for being in the "wars" it is really quite simple. We are in Afghanistan because of the attacks on the WTC buildings. The situation in Iraq, while being a little more complicated is still pretty easy to explain:

After 9/11 Americans were pissed off and they wanted to see some brown people die. It mattered not if they were actually involved in the attacks on the WTC buildings. Bush had is sights set on Iraq as soon as he entered office. 9/11 simply became the perfect pretense for W's personal vendetta against the man who at one time tried to have his dad assassinated.

George Bush promised to capture Osama Bin Laden dead or alive. After a while of bombing and raids on various houses and caves it was becoming more and more clear that Osama wasn't going to be found very easily. Americans we're growing more and more impatient,and W's approval rates started to slip.

Saddam Hussien was an easy target because the military knew where to find him, he was a brutal dictator and it would be easy to label him a terrorist/supporter of terrorists. The only problem was not being able to go into Iraq without first rallying the support for it. Not very many Americans understand the fact Saddam had no ties to Al Qaeda. Infact he he made it quite difficult for terrorist cells to function in Iraq. He liked having total control and didn't want any dissent amongst those he governed. That information wasn't told Americans. What we were told was that he was harboring terrorists and had nuclear weapons.

After Desert Storm the Iraqi military infrastructure was literally crippled. Not only did Iraq not have nuclear weapons they didn't have the capability of making them. Even if they had, they definitely didn't have necessary delivery system to launch an attack on American soil. This is also information that wasn't told to Americans. None of that mattered because the fear of nuclear annihilation is an easy one to prey on. Despite overwhelming dissaproval for starting this "war", or police action as it should be called, military operations began in Iraq as well.

Many say that this war is all about oil. That is an easy conclusion to reach, and while not totally untrue that is merely the tip of the ice berg. Control of the oil is reserves in definitely something W is after over there, but there is more to it. Finally, this war is also about finishing what W's daddy started and should have finished a long time ago.
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#15104 - 11/29/08 01:13 PM Re: Racism [Re: Fist]
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As long as they send the check on the 1st and the 15th I will keep coming to work and fighting YOUR wars.


Finally a person who shares my exact sentiments on this topic.

I was going to leave his comments about my being proud to be an American shit alone but what the hell...

Why does it make me a valued member of this country? I despise most of the things our country does as of now. I joined the Army for the simple fact of what Fist stated. What irritates me is being clapped for in airports and being told thank you for serving our country. I constantly find my self thinking "I'm not serving our country, I am serving me. My country doesn't give a damn if I die I am expendable, and so are they."

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#15105 - 11/29/08 01:22 PM Re: Racism [Re: Ringmaster]
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 Originally Posted By: ringmaster
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As long as they send the check on the 1st and the 15th I will keep coming to work and fighting YOUR wars.
What irritates me is being clapped for in airports and being told thank you for serving our country.


Sure as hell beats having people spit on you and throw garbage like they did when we came back from Vietnam, knowing that there was a flight commander who had given us orders to walk to the processing area and not respond. Believe me, if it had been possible, most of us would have taken out a few of our fellow countrymen and calmly boarded our flights home.

Sorry... I'm off topic.


Edited by Jake999 (11/29/08 01:23 PM)
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#15140 - 11/29/08 10:58 PM Re: Racism [Re: Jake999]
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me old pappy was in the 'Nam, and Ive heard similar things from him more times than I can remember. this instilled in me a deep and well founded hatred of hippies at an early age.
they were the forerunners of the all powerful politically correct fake altruists.

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#15165 - 11/30/08 12:47 PM Re: Racism [Re: Jake999]
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Don't get me wrong, being appreciated is a good feeling of satisfaction. On the other hand though there does come a time where I would like to sleep on a flight and a person wants to tell me about how their son or daughter wasn't allowed to join or wants to when they get older. I got no problem with people saying thank you when I'm not eating or just walking to catch a flight, smoking, or stuff like that.

When I was talking about the clapping I was talking about the lady at the ticket counter saying things like "We have a special guest with us... We are going to start boarding as soon as he comes on the plane." That is the annoying shit I'm talking about I guess I should have been more clear.
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#15302 - 12/01/08 09:30 PM Re: Racism [Re: Butterz]
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Racism just does seem like another instinct. A natural fear of whats different. It's your choice whether or not to let it affect you. It had benefits and downside.
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#15347 - 12/02/08 06:05 PM Re: Racism [Re: Phaethon]
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Everyones a little racist. Everyone's a little bigoted. Everyone's more culturalist. People dislike things different from themselves.

Manners might develop in one place for reasons that don't exist somewhere else. If you stand face to face with me 6 inches away, I'll think you're being agressive, not friendly, but not all cultures think that. I see people from China do all kinds of irritating things.

I think the big reason why nanny states try to enforce political correctness is to answer those who don't like confrontation or awkwardness. Why should a satanist deny themself this instinct? Just know when to keep your mouth shut.

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