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#13885 - 11/04/08 11:46 PM Obama wins.
The Zebu Offline
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So yeah. The most powerful nation on Earth will now be run by a flag-burning Socialist crypto-Muslim. Take that, Republicans!

In all seriousness, who did you guys vote for? I usually am pessimistic about elections but it astonished me how concretely Obama won this one. Seems our democracy-manipulating Illuminati puppetmasters are losing their touch.

An earlier thread posted something about riots... that doesn't seem likely at this point (don't see any yet)... nor do any successful assassination attempts (if the Secret Service can protect Bush, they can certainly protect Obama).

I can't honestly say Obama will be that great of a president. I just think the republicans have been hogging the remote for too long, so the democrats at least deserve a term or two for the sake of fairness. Politics will probably be the same old show as usual.
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#13887 - 11/05/08 12:07 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: The Zebu]
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I was the one that originally posted the idea of riots. As I stated in my post, if Obama won, I thought it would be on a much lesser scale than if he lost. Watching tv as I type this, there are massive crowds amassing right now in DC, and we all know the propensity of crowds to degenerate into mayhem. I refer to the deaths at a Who concert in the 70's, the Bulls winning the NBA championship, soccer games overseas, Rodney King, several recent cases in NY police actions. The night is not over yet.

As I stated, I did not vote. I didn't see the need for me to stand in line to cast a meaningless ballot. Instead I did what I said I would do and drank beer, played poker, and finished 5th out of 100 players. Enjoy the next 4 years of "change".
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#13890 - 11/05/08 03:30 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: fakepropht]
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I really don't care about the outcome of this election either way. I did go to an "election party" that my friend threw and insited I attend; and Mcain was gracious in defeat, delivering a well written speech. Regardless of anyones personal views on this election it certainly is a historic one. Obama certainly has alot on his plate right now, let's see what he can do.
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#13895 - 11/05/08 05:25 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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i am pleased as punch. i think obama is the cats pajamas. i am stunned, shocked and amazed that this nation would not only go through with it, but obliterate mccain.

and for the record... i usually lean quite a ways to the Right. i just could not stomach the thought of 8 years of bush lite.

whatever obama the socialist is going to do, he cant possibly commit treason on the scale of his predecessor.

and I always liked that Will Smith too.

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#13897 - 11/05/08 06:01 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Bacchae]
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I've been watching the news this morning and Europe is acting as if they won the World Series. Politicians here actually think he's a socialist like the ones we got here. I think they are confusing American socialism and the European version a bit.

At an economic level, I do not think they have too much to cheer about. Obama is more a protectionist than McCain but when people have forgotten all the speeches and it's time to act, we'll see what happens.

Still, I can't deny I had a preference for Obama, even if it doesn't affect me too much. At least he knows how to present himself, even if it might turn out to only be a presentation. McCain, although he had some balls in the past, reminded me of some of those elderly in a home, too fragile to get out of their bed.

I think this election can be called historical, not because some superdude is going to make all things right, but just because of the fact that he got elected.

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#13898 - 11/05/08 07:26 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Diavolo]
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Good luck! You'll need it!

So, now that Mr. Hope and Change is has been elected what now?

What will he change?

The war? Not likely. Today, Obama's advisers are being briefed by some very serious people who are explaining to these children how the world 'really' is.

The economy? Dream on. Socialism in Europe has only given them high unemployment and an economy that will collapse once all of the Baby Boomers start drawing on their State pensions.

How about that 700 billion dollar bail out to Wall Street? Is he going to get a handle on that Treasury Secretary that is giving big pay days to his old Wall Street buddies?

How about these gas prices? They have been going down, down, down. When will Americans start paying the $7.00 a gallon that the more enlightened Europeans pay?

Yes indeed, hope and change!

So, anyone care to place a bet on the first 3 things Obama will 'fix' once in office?
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#13899 - 11/05/08 07:43 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Fist]
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 Quote:
So, anyone care to place a bet on the first 3 things Obama will 'fix' once in office?


I put 20$ on the chair, carpet and drapings.

The war isn't going to change for sure. I've been following some political debates here last night and they are starting to realize that Europe is going to get stuck deeper into the war than they prefered. There are going to be talks with the NATO and some gentle pushing into the direction of 'partners having responsibilities too'.

Gas prices indeed, we don't pay the 7$ at the moment, prices have dropped here too but even when, if I see Americans complain about gas prices, I invite them to make a roadtrip here. It's a bit insane.

D.

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#13917 - 11/05/08 01:58 PM An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Diavolo]
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Breakdown of fuel prices in the UK

Duty and VAT are both forms of tax - thus the Government gets more than a fat cut.

This (115.0p or £1.15 per litre) is the typical price we were actually paying for regular unleaded petrol (gasoline) this summer. With the exchange rate around $1.85 per pound at the time (correct me if I'm wrong), this translates to around $2.13 per liter - or $8.05 per US gallon.
Diesel was even more expensive - $8.94/gallon.

Today the price has dropped to around £0.93/litre for regular unleaded, which - given the recent drop in the Pound against the Dollar - works out at around $5.68/gallon.

Still pretty damn high though if you ask me.

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#13918 - 11/05/08 02:29 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Meq]
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I hear ya. When gas dropped about 1.50/gallon to just under two dollars here I was ready throw a freakin' party. If they would have done this about a year ago, our economy would probably have never taken a dive at all.
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#13919 - 11/05/08 02:30 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Meq]
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Our government decided to 'magically' fix their next budget and use the click-system again which implies that they will make sure the prices for us won't go down as deep as the prices for them. You have to get yer money somewhere I suppose.

Last time I got fuel I paid like 1.3 euro for a liter, unleaded.
That's times 3.78 to get a gallon at a rate of 1 euro being what 1.2 or 1.3 dollars? Djeez, that coin starts resembling the Polish Zloty.

6something it is at the current rate.

Ain't cheap but I've paid 1.5 euro a liter not too many weeks ago.

D.

PS: it explains why most here drive in cars the size of a shoebox with engines you Americans use in lawnmowers.


Edited by Diavolo (11/05/08 02:33 PM)

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#13927 - 11/05/08 05:06 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Diavolo]
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Nothing will restore the American economy faster than cheap fuel prices.

In my area 87 Octane is running around $2.11. Usually I run both my Jeep and Dodge Magnum (with 5.7L Hemi) on 89 Octane (about $2.39).

Naturally, with Obama in office the "global warming" gang will demand that we adopt European energy policies. But my read of Obama is that he is too shrewd kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

Again, I will point out that Obama is unlikely to really 'change' anything. He is just smoke and mirrors.
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#13928 - 11/05/08 05:20 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Fist]
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i agree and disagree with you fist. i do think the lower gas will supercharge the economy. its down to 2.87 here, first time in years, and people are fuckin stoked about it and spending money.

however i stand by my gut feeling that obama is not as much of a criminal puppet as GWB. and with the dems controlling copngress now in addition to the white house, lets just see what happens.

and as i stated before, probably a couple times, ive never considered myself a liberal in my life. this is all new to me. i knew there would be a black president eventually, but honestly i thought there would be a mexican one first, as soon as they are the overwhelming majority in this country. my appreciation of obama has nothing to do with his color. rather it is a feeling i get looking at his face and hearing his words. i dont see the same reptilian ZOG liar Ive seen in every other president since Reagan.
and if the rest of the planet thinks we are smarter and more civilized for electing a colored, well good for us.

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#13955 - 11/05/08 10:12 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Bacchae]
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::::Gets ready for the boos and hisses.:::: Personally, I would like to see a floating gas tax in the US that keeps the price right around $4 to $5 a gallon. At a time like this, the tax goes toward the coffers to hopefully pay for all the bailouts, programs, war costs, etc. When the cost of a barrel goes up, then less of the tax gets spent on such programs. The benefit of such a tax is that it keeps us Americans from driving 2 blocks for a cup of coffee. We stop letting our SUV idle with the A/C on while we hit 7-11 for a big bite and a titanic slurpee on a hot July afternoon. Thus it cuts our use and dependance on foreign oil and increases the demand for alternative fuels. What we are experiencing today, is a reaction of the market to the sudden downturn in demand for oil. Now that prices are at lows equal to the late 90s, folks will be right back to their old habits. The ones that walked or biked to the corner market will instead hop in their car to make the drive. The auto makers that last month promised to develop affordable alternative fueled vehicles on a fast track, will now delay them. Since the demand is no longer an issue. Then in a few months or perhaps a year, when oil is back to record prices, they will again be caught behind the curve. Now is the time to conserve even more and stockpile. If you have the option to store large containers of gas, do so. You haven't seen the end of $4 a gallon gas, and I doubt that's the highest you will see.
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#13959 - 11/05/08 11:14 PM Obama [Re: Bacchae]
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 Originally Posted By: Bacchae
"my appreciation of obama has nothing to do with his color. rather it is a feeling i get looking at his face and hearing his words. i dont see the same reptilian ZOG liar Ive seen in every other president since Reagan."

I would have to agree with you here Dana. Obama handles himself unlike any President we have had in many years. He has made me interested to see what he is going to do. I am interested to see if he can guide this country out of its current economic hardship. I'm curious to see if he can graciously remove our troops from Iraq. I'm curious to see if he can put his platforms for medicare into motion and provide every US citizen with affordable health care, removing the insurance companies from saying what you can and can not get fixed. Along this note, I am curious if he will open up the gates for developed, trusted nations to provide pharmaceuticals to our citizens at cheaper prices to either force the corporations to lower their prices or go out of business, stopping them from killing citizens too poor to afford the medications they need to live. I'm interested to see if he will initialize the many programs he has on his webpage in regards to science and technology research and the transportation bank he wants to put in place that will help fund repairs and improvements to our infrastructure. And lastly, I'm curious to see how he handles repairing the highly damaged foreign relations we have. The fact that he even got elected has changed some of our rocky foreign relations. France has already issued a well thought out and very complimentary press release to the American people and its soon to be leaders.

I don't know, I am just going to sit back and see what he does. Maybe its all smoke, maybe since he has a primarily democratic congress and senate, he'll get things done. I'm not judging this until I see what he actually does.
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#13962 - 11/05/08 11:41 PM Re: Obama [Re: Disabuse]
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Just a tid bit on the war in Iraq and Obamas views. I live near Fort Stewart home to the 3rd ID and obama talked to our soldiers here. He promised to bring home the troops as soon as the middle east was "secure". Im willing to bet most the promises Obama made will end where they started, in the campaign. Not that he is a liar but he has a hard fight to fix this mess. A house can burn up in a matter of minutes, then take a week to clean up. 8 years of Bush its gonna take at least a decade to clean that up.
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