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#13885 - 11/04/08 11:46 PM Obama wins.
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So yeah. The most powerful nation on Earth will now be run by a flag-burning Socialist crypto-Muslim. Take that, Republicans!

In all seriousness, who did you guys vote for? I usually am pessimistic about elections but it astonished me how concretely Obama won this one. Seems our democracy-manipulating Illuminati puppetmasters are losing their touch.

An earlier thread posted something about riots... that doesn't seem likely at this point (don't see any yet)... nor do any successful assassination attempts (if the Secret Service can protect Bush, they can certainly protect Obama).

I can't honestly say Obama will be that great of a president. I just think the republicans have been hogging the remote for too long, so the democrats at least deserve a term or two for the sake of fairness. Politics will probably be the same old show as usual.
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#13887 - 11/05/08 12:07 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: The Zebu]
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I was the one that originally posted the idea of riots. As I stated in my post, if Obama won, I thought it would be on a much lesser scale than if he lost. Watching tv as I type this, there are massive crowds amassing right now in DC, and we all know the propensity of crowds to degenerate into mayhem. I refer to the deaths at a Who concert in the 70's, the Bulls winning the NBA championship, soccer games overseas, Rodney King, several recent cases in NY police actions. The night is not over yet.

As I stated, I did not vote. I didn't see the need for me to stand in line to cast a meaningless ballot. Instead I did what I said I would do and drank beer, played poker, and finished 5th out of 100 players. Enjoy the next 4 years of "change".
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#13890 - 11/05/08 03:30 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: fakepropht]
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I really don't care about the outcome of this election either way. I did go to an "election party" that my friend threw and insited I attend; and Mcain was gracious in defeat, delivering a well written speech. Regardless of anyones personal views on this election it certainly is a historic one. Obama certainly has alot on his plate right now, let's see what he can do.
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#13895 - 11/05/08 05:25 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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i am pleased as punch. i think obama is the cats pajamas. i am stunned, shocked and amazed that this nation would not only go through with it, but obliterate mccain.

and for the record... i usually lean quite a ways to the Right. i just could not stomach the thought of 8 years of bush lite.

whatever obama the socialist is going to do, he cant possibly commit treason on the scale of his predecessor.

and I always liked that Will Smith too.

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#13897 - 11/05/08 06:01 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Bacchae]
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I've been watching the news this morning and Europe is acting as if they won the World Series. Politicians here actually think he's a socialist like the ones we got here. I think they are confusing American socialism and the European version a bit.

At an economic level, I do not think they have too much to cheer about. Obama is more a protectionist than McCain but when people have forgotten all the speeches and it's time to act, we'll see what happens.

Still, I can't deny I had a preference for Obama, even if it doesn't affect me too much. At least he knows how to present himself, even if it might turn out to only be a presentation. McCain, although he had some balls in the past, reminded me of some of those elderly in a home, too fragile to get out of their bed.

I think this election can be called historical, not because some superdude is going to make all things right, but just because of the fact that he got elected.

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#13898 - 11/05/08 07:26 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Diavolo]
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Good luck! You'll need it!

So, now that Mr. Hope and Change is has been elected what now?

What will he change?

The war? Not likely. Today, Obama's advisers are being briefed by some very serious people who are explaining to these children how the world 'really' is.

The economy? Dream on. Socialism in Europe has only given them high unemployment and an economy that will collapse once all of the Baby Boomers start drawing on their State pensions.

How about that 700 billion dollar bail out to Wall Street? Is he going to get a handle on that Treasury Secretary that is giving big pay days to his old Wall Street buddies?

How about these gas prices? They have been going down, down, down. When will Americans start paying the $7.00 a gallon that the more enlightened Europeans pay?

Yes indeed, hope and change!

So, anyone care to place a bet on the first 3 things Obama will 'fix' once in office?
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#13899 - 11/05/08 07:43 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Fist]
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So, anyone care to place a bet on the first 3 things Obama will 'fix' once in office?


I put 20$ on the chair, carpet and drapings.

The war isn't going to change for sure. I've been following some political debates here last night and they are starting to realize that Europe is going to get stuck deeper into the war than they prefered. There are going to be talks with the NATO and some gentle pushing into the direction of 'partners having responsibilities too'.

Gas prices indeed, we don't pay the 7$ at the moment, prices have dropped here too but even when, if I see Americans complain about gas prices, I invite them to make a roadtrip here. It's a bit insane.

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#13917 - 11/05/08 01:58 PM An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Diavolo]
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Breakdown of fuel prices in the UK

Duty and VAT are both forms of tax - thus the Government gets more than a fat cut.

This (115.0p or £1.15 per litre) is the typical price we were actually paying for regular unleaded petrol (gasoline) this summer. With the exchange rate around $1.85 per pound at the time (correct me if I'm wrong), this translates to around $2.13 per liter - or $8.05 per US gallon.
Diesel was even more expensive - $8.94/gallon.

Today the price has dropped to around £0.93/litre for regular unleaded, which - given the recent drop in the Pound against the Dollar - works out at around $5.68/gallon.

Still pretty damn high though if you ask me.

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#13918 - 11/05/08 02:29 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Meq]
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I hear ya. When gas dropped about 1.50/gallon to just under two dollars here I was ready throw a freakin' party. If they would have done this about a year ago, our economy would probably have never taken a dive at all.
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#13919 - 11/05/08 02:30 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Meq]
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Our government decided to 'magically' fix their next budget and use the click-system again which implies that they will make sure the prices for us won't go down as deep as the prices for them. You have to get yer money somewhere I suppose.

Last time I got fuel I paid like 1.3 euro for a liter, unleaded.
That's times 3.78 to get a gallon at a rate of 1 euro being what 1.2 or 1.3 dollars? Djeez, that coin starts resembling the Polish Zloty.

6something it is at the current rate.

Ain't cheap but I've paid 1.5 euro a liter not too many weeks ago.

D.

PS: it explains why most here drive in cars the size of a shoebox with engines you Americans use in lawnmowers.


Edited by Diavolo (11/05/08 02:33 PM)

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#13927 - 11/05/08 05:06 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Diavolo]
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Nothing will restore the American economy faster than cheap fuel prices.

In my area 87 Octane is running around $2.11. Usually I run both my Jeep and Dodge Magnum (with 5.7L Hemi) on 89 Octane (about $2.39).

Naturally, with Obama in office the "global warming" gang will demand that we adopt European energy policies. But my read of Obama is that he is too shrewd kill the goose that lays golden eggs.

Again, I will point out that Obama is unlikely to really 'change' anything. He is just smoke and mirrors.
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#13928 - 11/05/08 05:20 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Fist]
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i agree and disagree with you fist. i do think the lower gas will supercharge the economy. its down to 2.87 here, first time in years, and people are fuckin stoked about it and spending money.

however i stand by my gut feeling that obama is not as much of a criminal puppet as GWB. and with the dems controlling copngress now in addition to the white house, lets just see what happens.

and as i stated before, probably a couple times, ive never considered myself a liberal in my life. this is all new to me. i knew there would be a black president eventually, but honestly i thought there would be a mexican one first, as soon as they are the overwhelming majority in this country. my appreciation of obama has nothing to do with his color. rather it is a feeling i get looking at his face and hearing his words. i dont see the same reptilian ZOG liar Ive seen in every other president since Reagan.
and if the rest of the planet thinks we are smarter and more civilized for electing a colored, well good for us.

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#13955 - 11/05/08 10:12 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Bacchae]
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::::Gets ready for the boos and hisses.:::: Personally, I would like to see a floating gas tax in the US that keeps the price right around $4 to $5 a gallon. At a time like this, the tax goes toward the coffers to hopefully pay for all the bailouts, programs, war costs, etc. When the cost of a barrel goes up, then less of the tax gets spent on such programs. The benefit of such a tax is that it keeps us Americans from driving 2 blocks for a cup of coffee. We stop letting our SUV idle with the A/C on while we hit 7-11 for a big bite and a titanic slurpee on a hot July afternoon. Thus it cuts our use and dependance on foreign oil and increases the demand for alternative fuels. What we are experiencing today, is a reaction of the market to the sudden downturn in demand for oil. Now that prices are at lows equal to the late 90s, folks will be right back to their old habits. The ones that walked or biked to the corner market will instead hop in their car to make the drive. The auto makers that last month promised to develop affordable alternative fueled vehicles on a fast track, will now delay them. Since the demand is no longer an issue. Then in a few months or perhaps a year, when oil is back to record prices, they will again be caught behind the curve. Now is the time to conserve even more and stockpile. If you have the option to store large containers of gas, do so. You haven't seen the end of $4 a gallon gas, and I doubt that's the highest you will see.
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#13959 - 11/05/08 11:14 PM Obama [Re: Bacchae]
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 Originally Posted By: Bacchae
"my appreciation of obama has nothing to do with his color. rather it is a feeling i get looking at his face and hearing his words. i dont see the same reptilian ZOG liar Ive seen in every other president since Reagan."

I would have to agree with you here Dana. Obama handles himself unlike any President we have had in many years. He has made me interested to see what he is going to do. I am interested to see if he can guide this country out of its current economic hardship. I'm curious to see if he can graciously remove our troops from Iraq. I'm curious to see if he can put his platforms for medicare into motion and provide every US citizen with affordable health care, removing the insurance companies from saying what you can and can not get fixed. Along this note, I am curious if he will open up the gates for developed, trusted nations to provide pharmaceuticals to our citizens at cheaper prices to either force the corporations to lower their prices or go out of business, stopping them from killing citizens too poor to afford the medications they need to live. I'm interested to see if he will initialize the many programs he has on his webpage in regards to science and technology research and the transportation bank he wants to put in place that will help fund repairs and improvements to our infrastructure. And lastly, I'm curious to see how he handles repairing the highly damaged foreign relations we have. The fact that he even got elected has changed some of our rocky foreign relations. France has already issued a well thought out and very complimentary press release to the American people and its soon to be leaders.

I don't know, I am just going to sit back and see what he does. Maybe its all smoke, maybe since he has a primarily democratic congress and senate, he'll get things done. I'm not judging this until I see what he actually does.
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#13962 - 11/05/08 11:41 PM Re: Obama [Re: Disabuse]
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Just a tid bit on the war in Iraq and Obamas views. I live near Fort Stewart home to the 3rd ID and obama talked to our soldiers here. He promised to bring home the troops as soon as the middle east was "secure". Im willing to bet most the promises Obama made will end where they started, in the campaign. Not that he is a liar but he has a hard fight to fix this mess. A house can burn up in a matter of minutes, then take a week to clean up. 8 years of Bush its gonna take at least a decade to clean that up.
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#13982 - 11/06/08 01:44 PM Re: An example of socialist fuel taxation [Re: Bacchae]
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my appreciation of obama has nothing to do with his color. rather it is a feeling i get looking at his face and hearing his words. i dont see the same reptilian ZOG liar Ive seen in every other president since Reagan.


Don't worry, many a man has been guiled by smooth talk and a pretty face. You won't be the first.

I can assure you that Obama is indeed an establishment candidate. No less establishment figures than Warren Buffet and George Soros backed him. He also has more than a few kindred spirits in the CFR. No, Obama is really just more of the same, he may be walking on the other side of the street but he is still moving in the same direction. Rest assured, he will continue to move us toward One World Govt, the NWO, and promotion of the Prison Planet doctrine.

You can easily tell the non-establishment candidates. They are the ones who are widely popular among the great unwashed masses yet are either ignored or endure savage personal attack by the main stream press. Ron Paul and Sara Palin come immediately to mind.
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#14187 - 11/11/08 08:58 AM Re: Obama [Re: Disabuse]
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 Originally Posted By: Disabuse
Obama handles himself unlike any President we have had in many years. He has made me interested to see what he is going to do.


The Mulatto (not Black) Obama Barack has indeed a certain grandeur in his eyes.
Much like Charlie Manson and (I suspect) Jesus, The Nazareen.
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#14190 - 11/11/08 10:34 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: The Zebu]
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I am actually a republican/liberatarian, and i voted for McCain. To be quite honest, i dont actually think that any of the candidates that we had for president this year were that great at all. Each party did have its strong points and its weak at the same time.

But all this aside, i strongly hope that someone doesn't assassinate Obama... because were are ALL FUCKED if Biden takes office. say goodbye to Democracy and hello to Communism. YAY SOCIALISM!
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#14206 - 11/11/08 12:44 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: athegiscj]
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 Originally Posted By: athegiscj
But all this aside, i strongly hope that someone doesn't assassinate Obama... because were are ALL FUCKED if Biden takes office. say goodbye to Democracy and hello to Communism. YAY SOCIALISM!


And that must be the dumbest statement in this thread (so far).

Biden a devout believer in communism?
Illegitimate child of Nikita Krutsjov?
Sleeps with "Das Kapital" under his pillow?
Married to a KGB "sleeper" whos real name is Vera Moskovskajia?

Well, at least I had a (sad) laugh...
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#14251 - 11/12/08 01:16 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: athegiscj]
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How so? You offered no facts to back up you assertion that Biden is a socialist. Did all your friends and the talking heads on tv influence this opinion? Had you ever heard of Biden prior to his being named as VP candidate? I'm very curious what proof you can offer to back this statement up. Since had I been inclined to vote, the Obama/Biden ticket was my more likely choice. Based solely on his choice as Biden as VP.
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#14261 - 11/12/08 03:59 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: athegiscj]
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yes. clearly palin was the better VP candidate, with god on her side AND she was blessed by a succesful african witch hunter. its astounding she didnt win.
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#14297 - 11/12/08 05:34 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Bacchae]
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I went to the states 2 weeks ago, and the consensus I saw, all across the country was "I don't give a fuck anymore! just let the goddamned campaign end!" The campaigns had been going on for 2 years, constantly in everyones' faces, and both sides seemed to be lying their asses off about their rivals.

Shouldn't the candidates have spent their hundreds of millions of campaign dollars on social reforms or something?

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#14333 - 11/13/08 02:13 AM Re: Obama wins. [Re: athegiscj]
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And for your information, this is NOT a democracy. The American government is a constitutional republic. We're led to believe it's a democracy to tame the sheep. I mean really, what would the general public do if the horse blinders were lifted and they found out we are not actually a democracy? Their beloved false ideal of hope and equality gone...

And here we are, trying to spread democracy around the world like we actually practice it ourselves. Hypocrisy comes to mind...
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#19280 - 01/29/09 12:19 PM Re: Democracy? [Re: Disabuse]
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I realize that this post has been quiet for a time now, but it got me thinking a little so i had to respond.

When you really think about it, when has a democracy ever been truly successful? Take Rome for example. Rome rather flourished as a republic, and when the public was swayed to turn it to a democracy, everything fell into disarray. The end result? A Caesar was able to step into power (offering to "fix" the turmoil - which the sheep gladly ate up) and bring a monarchy back which ultimately contributed to the destruction of the "Great Roman Empire."

But of course these cycles never seem to end. The masses always are coaxed into believing a democracy will give them power, and "isn't that what they want?" But of course when the inevitability of such a large body of conflicting ideas is unable to govern itself, a tyrant is consistently able to step in, offering "salvation" at the expense of freedom.

I wonder how long it may take for the US to fall to the same plight.
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#19281 - 01/29/09 12:42 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Disabuse]
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 Originally Posted By: Disabuse
And for your information, this is NOT a democracy. The American government is a constitutional republic. We're led to believe it's a democracy to tame the sheep. I mean really, what would the general public do if the horse blinders were lifted and they found out we are not actually a democracy? Their beloved false ideal of hope and equality gone...

And here we are, trying to spread democracy around the world like we actually practice it ourselves. Hypocrisy comes to mind...



After giving it much (more) thought, I think that our government is more a plutocracy than anything else. Giving the "little guy" an illusion of direct-voting and democracy was merely a compromise so that they would be on board with the new constitution and so that they would be willing fodder for the front lines. After Shay's Rebellion and other similar uproars, the haves were deathly afraid of the have nots, and our founding fathers were vehemently against a democratic government.

The Federalist papers drew heavily from Lockean ideals and our constitution drew heavily from the Federalist papers. The point was to protect the people with property (read: wealth and power) from those who had no property (read: no wealth/no power).



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#19286 - 01/29/09 01:28 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: ceruleansteel]
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To me there actually is no form of political thinking or structure.
The power still lies within the people, which most seem to forget. You can have any form of government, if something is fucked up and all people are getting angry and starting riots, you can be bloody sure it doesn't care whose in charge.

Perhaps that's why most are glad Obama is in charge in the US.
Altough I don't have high hopes on him (he can talk well, and yes it is true he started with some of promises) he still hasn't put the American economy back into a green light..
He only acts as someone to fend off disaster by trying to reverse or undo the problems others created.
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#19288 - 01/29/09 01:37 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Dimitri]
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Our economy is going to be fucked for a long time to come, and there isn't much ANY new president can do about it. There is no quick fix for that particular fuck up. All the bailouts and handouts and financing that our government has been doing, it does by borrowing money from a private bank and the biggest problem with that is that the repayment rate will not increase to match the recent increase in borrowing.

It may work itself out, it may not. The economic problems aren't a huge deal to me, either way. I'm set well enough that I could go three years with no income and be just fine. Even if the dollar completely tanked I have a contingency plan.

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#19290 - 01/29/09 01:42 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Our economy is going to be fucked for a long time to come, and there isn't much ANY new president can do about it. There is no quick fix for that particular fuck up. All the bailouts and handouts and financing that our government has been doing, it does by borrowing money from a private bank and the biggest problem with that is that the repayment rate will not increase to match the recent increase in borrowing.

Figured that one out also..
But hey, if someone can give the IMPRESSION everything could be saved, then maybe things will settle themselves. And otherwise, a huge crash and everything may start again from the beginning.. Don't mind really, as long as I can live comfy and have my necessary products to stay alive. And if not.. well..
I still have the brains to help myself and to get free energy from nature.


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#19292 - 01/29/09 01:49 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Dimitri]
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I still have the brains to help myself and to get free energy from nature.



Exactly.

Sadly, though, here in america people who can take a shit without outside assistance are few and far between. A large part of me is cheering for a complete collapse...it's the modern day version of Darwinism.

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#19294 - 01/29/09 01:54 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
Even if the dollar completely tanked I have a contingency plan.


Canada?


I don't think "bailouts" are going to be our solution here. It's sort of the same thing as paying off your credit card debt with another credit card.

Unfortunately, the overall effective solution for the Great Depression was WWII (most specifically the impacts of the war rather than the war itself).
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#19296 - 01/29/09 02:05 PM Re: Obama [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
I would like to see a floating gas tax in the US that keeps the price right around $4 to $5 a gallon. At a time like this, the tax goes toward the coffers to hopefully pay for all the bailouts, programs, war costs, etc.


This is what I don't understand- Why the hell does everyone get bailed out? Businesses need to be able to fail so that new ones can emerge.


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#19297 - 01/29/09 02:13 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: Sordid Archetype]
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I never said bailouts were the solution. I plainly stated that they are part of the problem.

And no, Canada is not my contingency plan. I live in a part of the country where there are still vast tracts of unused land. I don't need Canada any more than I need this apartment, if it comes down to it.

And another WW wouldn't solve our problems this time around, either. The reason why it helped last time was because there was something already unused to tap (female workers). This country has no more untapped human resources. The only solution that I could see would be for the cost of living to drop long enough for people to get their feet back under them. That means that "the haves" would have to take a paycut....I don't see that happening.

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#19298 - 01/29/09 02:18 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
This country has no more untapped human resources.

Sure we do- kids aren't doing anything of substance these days aside from checking their portfolios and bouncing from playdate to playdate. Put their sorry little asses to work.
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#19299 - 01/29/09 02:18 PM Re: Obama [Re: candyjesus]
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This is what I don't understand- Why the hell does everyone get bailed out? Businesses need to be able to fail so that new ones can emerge.


I agree. But we live in a welfare nation, and most people are so concerned with the individual welfare they neither see nor realize that corporate welfare is a much bigger and much more costly problem.

Once again, we are a plutocratic society. Rule by the few and the wealthy. Think about lobbyists and government kickbacks and the like. Until YOU can put a few million dollars in the pocket of your congressman, he's going to continue caring more about businesses than he does you. Period.

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#19300 - 01/29/09 02:21 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: candyjesus]
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Sure we do- kids aren't doing anything of substance these days aside from checking their portfolios and bouncing from playdate to playdate. Put their sorry little asses to work.


Well unless they decide to fulfill my five year old's dream of becoming an opera singer-slash-firefighter, I doubt putting my kids to work will help much. My three year old can work a mean jigsaw puzzle, though. He's up to 100+ jobs in about fifteen minutes. He doesn't talk, though, or even make eye contact. I guess a customer service job is out of the question.

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#19301 - 01/29/09 02:22 PM Re: Obama [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Sure we do- kids aren't doing anything of substance these days aside from checking their portfolios and bouncing from playdate to playdate. Put their sorry little asses to work.

By doing so education and human intelligence will take another downfall on long term.
Not such a wise decision I'm afraid..
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#19302 - 01/29/09 02:39 PM Re: Obama [Re: ceruleansteel]
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I think it's human nature... No one wants to work if everything is just being handed to them. Yet everyone's trying to turn a profit where they can.

Below is an article I read a while back on the AIG/Bear Sterns/Lehman Bros bailouts and what it actually cost americans.

http://fskrealityguide.blogspot.com/2008/09/how-much-did-aig-bailout-cost-you.html

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The financial industry is a con game. Rumors of insolvency are sufficient to cause insolvency! In a true free market, that is never an issue. "Confidence in the system matters" is a symptom of widespread corruption.

My only hope is that Barack can set the nation on a path to clean this mess up.

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#19304 - 01/29/09 02:41 PM Re: Obama [Re: Dimitri]
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Education take a downfall? When was the last time you stepped inside an american public school? \:\) Education in this country is a joke.
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#19306 - 01/29/09 02:50 PM Re: Obama [Re: candyjesus]
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 Originally Posted By: candyjesus
Education take a downfall? When was the last time you stepped inside an american public school? \:\) Education in this country is a joke.

Education is not only limited towards secondary schools.
Universities and other advanced educational institutes fall under this term. And I never stepped into an American school, I'm from another country. But from what I know, people still learn something over there. So let's not waste possible intelligent people by crushing and melting them within the harsh (and in my opinion idiotic) economic world.

Compare the US education with those from africa and dare to tell it is worse...
Btw, education isn't worthless, the people teaching are worthless most of the time. And if not, it's their boss who is idiotic.
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#19310 - 01/29/09 02:56 PM Re: Obama [Re: Dimitri]
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I won't debate that education is what you make of it. But my reply was pertaining to whether or not the country had untapped resources- If children can sew clothes, they can certainly build planes. Building a plane can be both educational and fun.

But it will never come to that anyway. Not with all of the PTA mommies in charge. Guess it's back to the drawing board.

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#19311 - 01/29/09 02:58 PM Re: Obama [Re: candyjesus]
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If children can sew clothes, they can certainly build planes. Building a plane can be both educational and fun.

And from this sentence only I instantly can conclude you are a working person who is getting her paycheck from sitting behind a desk making calculations on a computer....
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#19313 - 01/29/09 03:03 PM Re: Obama [Re: Dimitri]
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Btw, education isn't worthless, the people teaching are worthless most of the time.


The biggest problem I have with the public education system is not exactly the teachers but that (here in america) the parents seem to think that because teachers exist, they don't have to do any educating themselves.

Kids around here are being taught "phoenetic spelling". In other words, they are no longer judged on their ability to spell so long as the reader can puzzle out what they are saying. My little sister is 13 and her spelling is atrocious. Our mom coddles her and tells me "well, that's what the school is teaching her". I am left to pull her aside and ask her if she thinks she's ever going to be a corporate CEO if she can't even spell "corporate".

Parents fail their children in other ways, too. A big part of learning to spell and learning the rules of grammar and the English language in general comes from reading. Real books. For the first time in my life I am contemplating purchasing a television and the only reason is because I got the kids a V-smile. If the game turns out to be a disappointment, I'll scrap it and the television both.

I think we may need to think about starting a new thread or two. This one is going all over the place.

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#19315 - 01/29/09 03:05 PM Re: Obama [Re: Dimitri]
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Nah, I'm just an artist. I'm never quite sure how I get checks. \:\) Today is a slow day if you couldn't tell.
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#19317 - 01/29/09 03:06 PM Re: Obama [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Agreed on so many levels.
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#19328 - 01/29/09 03:35 PM Re: Obama wins. [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
And another WW wouldn't solve our problems this time around, either. The reason why it helped last time was because there was something already unused to tap (female workers). This country has no more untapped human resources.


Women aided the cause, but that was hardly "the reason" WWII was effective at overcoming the depression.

Consider for a moment the practical needs of the war itself. We had no real standing army, no supplies, limited resources and of course a crap economy.

After Pearl Harbor, large numbers of young men were drafted into the military. Now a standing army was formed, but supplies and resources for the war were in need. Being that there were far less men to do the work men normally did, now woman and men both were recruited into positions within industry to build the necessities of fighting the war.

Now we're in a war, but our technology was definitely far behind the enemy's. Japanese planes were far superior to ours, a Sherman tank couldn't even hold it's own to a German tank, etc... Now the government needed to start funding in technological advancement to even keep our own with the enemy.

In addition, warfare tactics had changed since even WWI (which was primarily trench-based), and funding in developing and training new tactics was also necessary.

So what do we have here? Suddenly between military service and industry, we have drastically reduced unemployment rates. In addition, the federal government was not lending money but investing it in various industries, and with technological advancements came new avenues for capitalist exploitation and consumerism which spins the wheels of the economy (i.e. improvements in communication technologies, tape recordings, jet engines, radar and sonar, the development of encryption techniques which could be used for security and integrity validation, etc...)
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#21389 - 03/02/09 11:12 AM Re: Obama [Re: Butterz]
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Lately I've heard about future economical crashes of the financial system in 2011 even with stimulus or tarp assistance from the federal government.

Personally I'm dreaming the little dream that the whole system will burn in everybody's face.

( I think the United States needs some chaos in it's own nation in order to clean house. It's overdue.)


Edited by LordOf_illusions (03/02/09 11:14 AM)

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#25604 - 06/13/09 05:01 AM Re: Obama [Re: LordOf_illusions]
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Im not in america but had a little look at either obama or the other old bastard.
I wouldve vote Hilary clinton as a female president. Unfortunately Obama got in. But then Id vote obama. Hes pretty fun i guess, and black-ish so thats okay. From what ive seen obama makes the position a little less formal and serious and gives people a laugh. Hes more of a people person.
Thye other guy looked like a old, stale conservative. I hate conservatism because its sexist, stupid, and based on christian ethics. No way Id want some old fashioned bastard who looks like he will be dead in a couple of years anyway as president.

I have no idea about the other guy, or american politics anyway so my opinion is probably based on flawed evidence.

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#25619 - 06/13/09 09:03 PM Re: Obama [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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 Originally Posted By: Atralux Lucis
I have no idea about the other guy, or american politics anyway so my opinion is probably based on flawed evidence.

Clearly your opinion is based on nothing but a person’s appearance. He is blackish and fun looking? At least this was worth a laugh.

I would ask what you think you added to this thread by posting, but you did show how appearance and/or skin color could sway a vote. I just do not believe that was your intention.

Good Day

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#25659 - 06/15/09 07:17 AM Re: Obama [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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A lot of people fall for the "fun looking guy" or the "down to Earth guy" act when they decide who to vote for. I'll admit I have very little understanding of American politics myself, but I've seen so many politicians make themselves out to be loveable it's unbelievable. Even David Cameron and Tony Blair tried to use this tactic at the beginning of their careers and both of them turned out to be pricks, for lack of a better word.
Perhaps Obama genuinely is the fun guy he appears to be, but does this really qualify him for presidency? Unfortunately being a "decent bloke" doesn't make somebody a prime candidate for a good leader. It seems that politicians have become something of a product for sale these days, people are dazzled by good advertising and pretty packaging and overlook the vital question of "will this work?"

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#25663 - 06/15/09 11:10 AM Re: Obama [Re: Saligia]
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Obama is the most successful used car salesman that the party(ies) could dig up. Has there been any real fundamental difference between what the Republicans under GWB did and what Obama has done? Nope.

People need to get over the idea of the two party system and realize that it's all the same people who set this system up to distract us from the issues that matter. There is ONE party in America.

Someone told me recently that we had some real idiots in congress (and Washington in general) because they have no idea how bad the stimuli efforts are going to fail. I told him that he was wrong. Our leaders are brilliant. They persuaded us to print 2 Trillion dollars in the first few months of 2009 alone and give it to the very people who created the recession/depression in the first place.

Start storing food everyone. You're going to need it soon.

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#25687 - 06/15/09 11:58 PM Re: Obama [Re: icu4whatur]
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There was no persuasion in that. The federal government just did it and told everyone it would work.

The crime here is not necessarily the people (yes, can you believe I said that?), it is the fact that the federal government has to continue to wipe the asses of those who give them the most perks. Of course they are going to give money to those places that fucked us in the first place. Those places are the same places that spent a billion dollars rallying behind the individual politicians' campaigns and pork barrel projects.

You scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. Especially when the bill goes to someone other than me.

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#25748 - 06/18/09 01:22 PM Re: Obama [Re: ceruleansteel]
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The persuasion was all of the time/money/research they spent in dumbing everyone down for the last 40 years making the sheeple wait on the edge of their seats for the new episode of American Idol or some other bullshit instead of trying to force them into thinking for themselves. This is the payoff.

China is in the process of dumping the dollar now. When this comes full circle we won't have the buying power that most 3rd world nations enjoy today. Coupled with the 3 day food supply that we have on the shelves of our stores leaves us thoroughly fucked in short order.

Personally I'm looking forward to watching the suburbs starve to death while they await the great recovery so they can drive their Hummers to soccer practice again while getting jacked up on Venti Lattes and Zig Ziglar motivational dogma to better drive up the price of real estate.

...And I'm an optimist \:D

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#25760 - 06/18/09 09:35 PM Re: Obama [Re: icu4whatur]
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 Originally Posted By: icu4whatur
Obama is the most successful used car salesman that the party(ies) could dig up. Has there been any real fundamental difference between what the Republicans under GWB did and what Obama has done? Nope.

People need to get over the idea of the two party system and realize that it's all the same people who set this system up to distract us from the issues that matter. There is ONE party in America.


Exactly it really makes no difference who is elected they are all puppets in U.S. politics

Obama brings nothing new to the table but his charisma and His amazing speeches... that man can give a good line of shit. However for some reason he has gone back on everything he ran on, he said at one point he wasn't going to raise taxes and look at what he is trying to do... put taxes on soda and tobacco products.

He is nothing more than another monkey put to power and "we" (Americans that is) will continue to vote for the puppets until one of them royally fucks up... which right now is looking like obama. Americans need to learn that several other parties are out there and not only two people run each year.

Once the people of America learn about those other parties who knows what will happen to this country...

Also this country is FAR overdue for a mass riot or some type of new movement to take effect I believe in 2012 when the next president is elected it may be the beginning of the end of America as we know it
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#25776 - 06/19/09 10:44 AM Re: Obama [Re: ta2zz]
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I was merely pointing out that to have a black-ish (entertaining the disputes of him being actually BLACK) is a good thing for equality between races.
I learnt a bit about JFK and it seems he was a rather fun president and he managed to do an immense amount of stuff, and only on his first day. I just think that Obama is infinitely better than the alternative (aside Clinton, Id love to see Bill Clinton as First Lady/Man or whatever theyd do) a woman president would make much more interest than a black president.

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