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#14444 - 11/15/08 02:09 AM Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism
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SEX AND ISLAMIC SUICIDE TERRORISM

He is a pious man. A believer.

He puts on a pack. Walks into a crowd. And detonates an explosion that will blow him and many innocent bystanders to bits.

An Islamic suicide terrorist.

Sex-negativity is an important part of the system that creates him. But in the studies of terrorists you will find very little about their attitudes to erotic pleasure.

So here is the idea.

Islamic terrorists are almost 100% of an age (16-34) when testosterone levels are their highest in the male lifespan.

Testosterone is an imperious hormone. It commands attention. It compels action. Anyone doubtful about the potency of the chemical need only take a shot or two of it to see its effects.

Testosterone is lusty. It spurs sexual charge and the hunger for release. Exactly as nature intended.

When we resist that powerful drive, we hurt. Our genes want us to pay a price for disobeying commands that have kept our species alive for countless generations.

But imperious religions are threatened by imperious genes. Throughout history domineering religious traditions have sought to subdue the sex drive. Drive it into the shadows of existence.

Islam in most of the modern Middle East, is one such tradition. To be a young man in those cultures and full of the lust that is natural and healthy for a testosterone primed body, is to be sexually unfulfilled.

And the young men who have internalized autocratic Islam the deepest are the most sexually frustrated of all.

In their world, masturbation is a serious sin. Sex education is non-existent. Dating is impossible. Marriages are arranged. Every form of sexual media is criminalized.

To embrace traditional Islam is to be at war with your own sexual impulses.

Consider, for example, Mohamend Atta, the man who led the 9/11 bombings. He never had sex. He was repelled by images of nudity, even classic art paintings. His will instructed that his genitals not be touched during the preparation of his corpse, and that no women come near his grave.

Such uncompromising sex-negativity has predictable outcomes.

First, it diminishes the joy of living. Erotic pleasure is a key element of human happiness. Our genes designed it that way. Remove that source of vitality, and life becomes mundane, dry, rigid. Killing your sexuality makes killing yourself much easier.

Second, constant sexual self-restraint is psychologically de-stabilizing. When the body’s normal impulses are perpetually denied, the part of the brain that exercises that over-control gets unnaturally inflated, impairing our intitution and wisdom. An unbalanced brain becomes highly suggestible. Not anchored in corporeal practicality, thought tends to the preposterous. Absurd ideas become credible. And so the sickening irrationality of the notion that “God” commands the killing of innocent bystanders becomes accepted as true.

Third, the internal war on one’s own sexuality generates rage. Sexually frustrated men are not happy campers. Their testosterone needs an outlet. When women don’t “fuck the war” out of men, they fight.

And sexually frustrated men tend not to be courageous, because real courage requires heart, and the heart withers in the midst of perpetual self conflict and pain. So sex-hating men look for easy targets. Like women, or gays, or ….innocent bystanders with Western values.

The sexually permissive West is a perfect icon of hate for people with deep sexual wounds. If sex is evil then so too are the cultures which normalize it.

Assemble the pieces of this profile and Islamic terrorism is more easily understood. The bodies of sexless men have little to live for. Their minds have much to die for and are primed to accept the most irrational pretexts to justify their demise.

So next time you hear about a suicide bomber, think about their attitude to sex. Think about how hating a part of oneself can cause one to hate everything else.

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#14445 - 11/15/08 03:46 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Succubus666]
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In their world, masturbation is a serious sin. Sex education is non-existent. Dating is impossible. Marriages are arranged. Every form of sexual media is criminalized.

50 years ago almost the same things occured within out western world with christianity.

There might be some things true written in this article.
But the only thing that bothers me is the fact this article puts all Islamic people on the same line and calls them all "terrorists". People seem to forget we too came from such a period. Ofcourse not with explosions and blowing people to bits. But in my humbly opinion crusades were equally worse, not to say much worse.

I'd like to point out about this article that things such as "islamic" should be changed to "extremist believers". A religion is not made/formed by extremist people, it consists thousands of normal well-thinking people who really are innocent. I know what I'm talking about, I know some people who believe in the islam. Good friends of mine actually, pretty cheerfull. Hell, I think some of them are the biggest players I have ever seen.

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Consider, for example, Mohamend Atta, the man who led the 9/11 bombings. He never had sex. He was repelled by images of nudity, even classic art paintings. His will instructed that his genitals not be touched during the preparation of his corpse, and that no women come near his grave.

About this part I haev serious doubts. How can we be sure he never had sex? Because his family told so? Because he wrote it down? Because he told us? Did it never occured then to the investigators he might have been lying? It is easy to rent a hooker in these times, if you are planning it no one will notice. And the hooker.. well... she gets hundreds of men a year/month. Like she will remember how he looked like..


Edited by Dimitri (11/15/08 03:53 AM)
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#14454 - 11/15/08 09:37 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Dimitri]
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"The messenger of Allah said: "Islam is to testify that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, to perform the prayers, to pay the zakat, to fast in Ramadhan, and to make the pilgrimage to the House if you are able to do so." He said: " You have spoken rightly", Jebreel (Gabriel) from Number 2 of "Al-Nawawi's Forty Hadiths." 1
"If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him." Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1625.
"Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians...and (all) who believe in God and the last day and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." The Qur'an, 2:62
"Jim Jones, David Koresh and Meir Kahane do not typify Christianity and Judaism in the eyes of the civilized West, but those same eyes are prone to see Osama bin Laden and Mullah Muhammad Omar as typifying Islam," Richard Bulliet 2
Estimates of the total number of Muslims range from 0.7 to 1.2 billion worldwide and 1.1 to 7 million in the U.S. 3 About 21% of all people on Earth follow Islam. The religion is currently in a period of rapid growth.

Christianity is currently the largest religion in the world. It is followed by about 33% of all people -- a percentage that has remained stable for decades. If current trends continue, Islam will become the most popular world religion sometime in the mid-21st century.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/islam.htm


Edited by Venux (11/15/08 09:43 AM)

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#14455 - 11/15/08 09:47 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Venux]
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The Qur'an states that all Muslims must believe in God, his revelations, his angels, his messengers, and in the "Day of Judgment".[16] Also, there are other beliefs that differ between particular sects. The Sunni concept of predestination is called divine decree,[17] while the Shi'a version is called divine justice. Unique to the Shi'a is the doctrine of Imamah, or the political and spiritual leadership of the Imams.[18]

Muslims believe that God revealed his final message to humanity through the Islamic prophet Muhammad via the archangel Gabriel (Jibrīl). For them, Muhammad was God's final prophet and the Qur'an is the revelations he received over more than two decades.[19] In Islam, prophets are men selected by God to be his messengers. Muslims believe that prophets are human and not divine, though some are able to perform miracles to prove their claim. Islamic prophets are considered to be the closest to perfection of all humans, and are uniquely the recipients of divine revelation—either directly from God or through angels. The Qur'an mentions the names of numerous figures considered prophets in Islam, including Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus, among others.[20] Islamic theology says that all of God's messengers since Adam preached the message of Islam—submission to the will of God. Islam is described in the Qur'an as "the primordial nature upon which God created mankind",[21] and the Qur'an states that the proper name Muslim was given by Abraham.[22]

As a historical phenomenon, Islam originated in Arabia in the early 7th century.[23] Islamic texts depict Judaism and Christianity as prophetic successor traditions to the teachings of Abraham. The Qur'an calls Jews and Christians "People of the Book" (ahl al-kitāb), and distinguishes them from polytheists. Muslims believe that parts of the previously revealed scriptures, the Tawrat (Torah) and the Injil (Gospels), had become distorted—either in interpretation, in text, or both.[6]


God
Main article: God in Islam
See also: Oneness of God (Islam) and Allah
Islam's fundamental theological concept is tawhīd—the belief that there is only one god. The Arabic term for God is Allāh; most scholars believe it was derived from a contraction of the words al- (the) and ʾilāh (deity, masculine form), meaning "the god" (al-ilāh), but others trace its origin to the Aramaic Alāhā.[24] The first of the Five Pillars of Islam, tawhīd is expressed in the shahadah (testification), which declares that there is no god but God, and that Muhammad is God's messenger. In traditional Islamic theology, God is beyond all comprehension; Muslims are not expected to visualize God but to worship and adore him as a protector. Although Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet, they reject the Christian doctrine of the Trinity, comparing it to polytheism. In Islamic theology, Jesus was just a man and not the son of God;[25] God is described in a chapter (sura) of the Qur'an as "…God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him."[26]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

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#14457 - 11/15/08 10:44 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Venux]
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Venux:
I want to point out this topic is about sex and how it can drive certain humans who stick to certain religious dogma's/rules insane because they have a lack of sexual interest and or fear by their religious means.
It is not about the islam itself. I believe if we want to know something about it we will just look it up. Pay a little attention to the topic starter and read what his post is about.
I'm not here to give orders, just pointing out you better read texts a little closely.



Edited by Dimitri (11/15/08 10:46 AM)
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#14461 - 11/15/08 11:38 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Dimitri]
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Okay, I got it
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Quote : Dimitri
sex and how it can drive certain humans who stick to certain religious dogma's/rules insane because they have a lack of sexual interest and or fear by their religious means.
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Sorry if it make you disappointed,
but the real is: there is actualy no connection between lack of sexual intersest and the insane attitude of humand.
you can ask the docktor about it.
Sex is the desire to insertion of the male's penis into the female's vagina.
For people have a lack sexual interest didn't mean he/she will do some insane thing, but will hard to make them want to insert the male's penis into the female's vagina.
For people who do insane thing, they have some different reason:
1.He/she has the strange attitude
2.Have a nasty memory in the past
3.Circle influence
4.And monkey IQ
Do you got it
That was logical right?


Edited by Venux (11/15/08 11:40 AM)

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#14463 - 11/15/08 11:53 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Venux]
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but the real is: there is actualy no connection between lack of sexual intersest and the insane attitude of humand.
That's why I added "or fear by religious means.
Read more closely before reacting.
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For people who do insane thing, they have some different reason:
1.He/she has the strange attitude
2.Have a nasty memory in the past
3.Circle influence
4.And monkey IQ

You know these points you gave to me aren't really reasons. These are more assumptions from your part. A reason could be more like: -fear
-religion
-preconceptions
-...

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For people have a lack sexual interest didn't mean he/she will do some insane thing, but will hard to make them want to insert the male's penis into the female's vagina.

1) Ever heard of a male vagina?
2) Sex isn't always about 2 different genders sticking each others erogene zones to each other. It is also about masturbation, male-male erogenic zones intercourse, female-female erogenic zones intercourse,... also the less appealing part, interaction with animals. In short definition: pleasing ones own natural desires.
3) A lack of interest in sex can make people insane. The brain needs something else to focus on. This can lead to some weird ideas or a certain degree of mental illness.
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#14471 - 11/15/08 01:24 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Dimitri]
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That's why I added "or fear by religious means.
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Now I ask you, why they must fear with their own religious?
I guess your answer is: 'cause they're going to don't believe their religion. (Is that right?)
I think you were wrong.
'cause they believe if they died in fighting for their god, they will send to heaven.(have you ever hear about that?)
Why they must fight for god?
There're some reason that make them do that thing:
-The big conflict between Palestinians and Jewish
-Palestinians claims over the same area of land with Jewish
-They prejudice that America support Jewish
-The aggression of America to Iraq
-Denmark caricature about their Muhammad(it can be right)
And do you know in every big organization always have the fool people, so the people who doing suicide terrorism who use Islam name is the fool people in Islam.
How 'bout that, I swear you still have many question about that, so I give you this:
1.http://www.globalissues.org/issue/111/palestine-and-israel
2.http://www.mideastweb.org/briefhistory.htm
3.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

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#14472 - 11/15/08 01:30 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Venux]
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You should really read more thoroughly.
You are putting words into my mouth. I don't like that attitude. Means most of the time the people who acts this way are just full of crap or are seeking attention or confirmation.

I'm not going to reply on your last post, just read my first post and answer thoroughly AGAIN. I know what islam is, I know about the islamic culture, hell I think I even know more about the Islam itself then some extremists.
And for the second time: spellcheck please. I find it quite hard to focus on what you are writing.


Edited by Dimitri (11/15/08 02:22 PM)
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#14477 - 11/15/08 02:13 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Dimitri]
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I was just wondering how the 72 virgins things plays into this. I'm sure everyone has heard that these followers believe by making themselves martyrs they will be greeted in the afterlife by 72 virgins, blah blah blah. With such a negative bias towards sex, how would that be of any interest to the potential suicide bomber?
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#14479 - 11/15/08 02:24 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Last test of approval?
I don't know, but hey, those 72 virgins.. they didn't say they were all women.
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#14480 - 11/15/08 02:38 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Last test of approval?
I don't know, but hey, those 72 virgins.. they didn't say they were all women.


Or HUMAN!!! You never know what's in the fine print.
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#14483 - 11/15/08 02:56 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Jake999]
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I think the article jumps to conclusions a bit too hastily since it is quick to place sexual frustration at the root of the entire problem, but it does have a valid point that most suicide bombers are young and probably very much affected by testosterone and typical male hot-headedness. Islamic extremists will say it is the ultimate act of piety, but I suspect they are mostly impatient, self-glorifying losers who don't think straight.

Mohammad himself wrote that the pen of the scribe is more precious than the blood of the martyr. Fundamentalism aside, the neoconservative Islamic world is far too hasty in its urge to wage open war on the western world.
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#14489 - 11/15/08 05:28 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: The Zebu]
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Then what about the female bombers?


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#14494 - 11/15/08 06:54 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Morgan]
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Muslim women are even more sexually repressed than men...at least the young men (mainly the rich ones like Saudi princes) can afford to enter into "temporary marriages" with a girl, and divorce her the next day to get out their "evil" urges. This is merely legalized prostitution, of course. It's a fun time for the man, who usually picks a young virgin to spoil and make her first sexual experience a nightmare. However the young girl is devastated, devalued, and is often unmarriagable because she was deflowered in such a way. The bride price for the temp marriage is generally used by the girl's family to compensate for the lowered price she'll get in a future marriage. Poor families tend to "sell" their girls this way to make ends meet.

To get back to Tala's original point, yes, sexual frustration can be a catalyst for the makings of a terrorist. I'm not sure if it can be linked to the young men and teenagers, however, but it most certainly plays a role in the actions of the older men. The boys who become suicide bombers are much like the young men who join the military straight out of high school here in the US. They want to kill the enemies of their country whether for real or imagined wrongs. They're full of hot piss and want to prove themselves to their family and friends back home. Pride. Patriotism. Sound like a young Army recruit? Or a 17 year old trainee of the al Queda? They're both one and the same.

The female suicide bombers are women who are in a similarly unstable state of mind. They are the ones who are left home all day, with no other outlet for their passions. So these turn to piety and faith, praying all day, and wanting to be a part of something larger than themselves. So they join a terrorist group, and are told the best way to inflict the most damage is to become a martyr. That has to be viewed as celebrity status among these women.

The old men are the ones who indoctrinate these young men and orchestrate the actual terrorist acts, and as such are the ones who are the most to blame. Their years of living in a desert, or a rustic, base-camp lifestyle, earthly pleasures are to be forsaken for the greater good of Allah, the teachings of the Koran having been shoved down THEIR throats at an impressionable age. This kind of physical repression leads to warped thinking, that women, children and other innocents are acceptable as collateral damage in order to inflict fear upon their enemies. Really all they're doing is scaring their own countrymen. Shooting themselves in the foot.
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#14544 - 11/16/08 05:20 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Nemesis]
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I don't think the sex-terror idea should be taken too serious.

Essentially it boils down to memetics again. We have a culture that puts suicide -under certain conditions- on a pedestal. At the same time, the family of the martyr is taken care of by others.
Then we have the natural phenomena that kids take things said by an authority as truth, not to mention a brain isn't developed fully until people are in their twenties, greatly affecting consequential thinking.
And we have ethnocentrism at the top, the clash of cultures.

Indoctrinate them young enough, keep feeding them and you'll end up with cheap but effective weapons.

I don't think we need sex as an explanation of the explosiveness of those combinations.



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Edited by Diavolo (11/16/08 06:05 PM)

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#14579 - 11/17/08 07:35 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Well I brought that topic up with my interprater a couple months back. He said that it is sex outside of marraige that is viewed as "unholy". He also said that it is "gods" way of praising an individual. So to me it sound like the biggest hipocrisy "it is wrong to have sex, live a good life and be rewards with virgins at no consequence." Lol I don't understand it and never will.

BTW Diavolo love the pic thought it was funny as hell and the guys in my platoon laughed their asses off.


Edited by ringmaster (11/17/08 07:37 AM)
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#14799 - 11/22/08 03:21 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Dimitri]
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WOW! Great Post! Well thought out!

I agree. The terror really begins in the denial of the humanistic desires. You didn't say that, but that is what I got from it.

When these men kill themselves, they are dreaming of those 7 virgins waiting for them in heaven. Very sad. Very stupid.
But, they are the bi products of a strict culture and religion.

This reminds me of the reason I despise formal religions so much.

Thanks for the great post, good stuff!
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#14808 - 11/22/08 12:35 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Diavolo]
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The whole sex-terror idea is a bit overrated, however it could be part of the cause. I mean shit people do have bad moods and take it out on others. To be honest here in Iraq there is no sexual activity except for maturbation which believe me gets old and boring, that being said lack of a sexual partner has put me in a state of mind that is easier to be irritated. It isn't the cause for all my bad moods but it has its tolls.

I think it is a mix of life's frustrations and the teachings that are hammered into the youth's heads at such a young age that are the cause for this. If you take a look at some of the kids that are over here they get hit for waving at us for driving by, the wemon get hit for flirting with Americans. They are tought at such a young age that anyone who is not a muslim is the infidel (all of them however aren't taught to kill all non-muslims). One of the Sgts in my platoon was talking about a conversation he had with an IP (Iraqi police) and he said he was told that a person can live a "good life" and not be muslim and be viewed by muslims as a "bad person" simply for the fact that they aren't muslim.

Another thing I notice while doing patrols and conversations with Iraqi Army members and memmbers of SOI (sons of Iraq) is that it is easy money. They get offered vast sums of money (atleast it is a vast sum to the poor iraqi) to give them their son or daughter. Not only this they get told that if they blow themselves up not only will they get their virgins in paradise but that their families will be taken care of the rest of their lives. So the terrorists are using people's weaknesses against them to get their way, a means to an end.
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#14986 - 11/28/08 01:57 AM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Ringmaster]
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If you are in service Ringmaster, I uphold great respect for you. None of us can tell the story of what is really going on in the Islamic land as well as a American living in it.

Hail Ringmaster!

Stay safe and protect yourself and those you hold dear above all things at all times!!

I have a friend in the Airforce who is serving in the war right now. He is a Linguistic (3 services). He is safe. He can't talk about his last 6 months but he is home now. Finally. I probe him to get info, but he will say nothing about his service. His wife is christian and his father is a Minister. I have had a heart to heart with him...basically he is married into not getting pussy and he is sad but faithful. He hates christianity but he does not declare himself a Satanist. I don't press the issue. I know in his heart he is as I am and leave it at that. If I speak of Lavey, he gets funny. He can't let go of his fathers beliefs even though he hates it.

Take care of yourself and thank you for serving our country to insure our freedoms. Fang and Claw, your will is respected.
Hail Ringmaster! and may your life be filled with pleasures and never ending delights of pleasures!
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#15527 - 12/05/08 12:29 PM Re: Sex and Islamic Suicide Terrorism [Re: Nemesis]
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How does a group of people with such repression of sexual nature, continue to procreate. Obviously sex is practiced. How then cant they see the connection between thier existence through procreation.

It seems very contridictory, I agree and support Tala de sade

Those who believe in these ideals should refrain fronm procreating and die and meet with Allah like they so desire.
This clearly isnt the case, I believe that it is a system of control that effects the person at such a deep level that it takes them over mentally and emotionally. Or why else would they continue to populate the planet and enforce thier ideals.

they want control and mass submission.

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