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#14860 - 11/24/08 01:47 PM Teen Satanists
Stefanie Offline
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I was just wondering what anyones thought was about teens or even children being satanists? Do you think its okay or should children and teens not focus on religion and just live their lives. Im 17 and I think its ok for children and teens to believe or have a religion of some sort but they should get to choose it themselves. My parents still try to get me to go to church and what not but I will never go back to being a Catholic. I will stay a modern satanists. So I was just wondering what anyones thought was for children and teens in this kind of religion.
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#14862 - 11/24/08 02:04 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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You can't not focus on religion or philosophy and just live your life. The nature of it is that it settles in your brain.

That being said, teens and religion, well, to say it in a polite manner, religion of philosophies of life are pretty useless if you're not living it.
Teens are generally not out there providing for their own life, and in such, live in a state of bliss that makes having certain convictions pretty easy. The moment you become independant, as far as possible, and are confronted with real life, its great and depressing sides, its lures and traps, the opposition, the confrontation with your self, the easiness of settling in mediocrity, well at that point you'll come to realize what your religion or philosophy is worth.
Of course, even at that point many people still prefer to live in an intellectual state of bliss and fooling themselves.

It's what I call the difference between walking the path and talking the path.

Still, there might be good intentions and such but I personally don't take them too serious. What many have in their mind at 17, most forgot at 25.

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#14864 - 11/24/08 02:15 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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Satanist is only a label.

Don't get me wrong, labels are important. Without them we would not be able to distinguish one thing from another via communication, and that would make things rather difficult.

The only question you should be asking yourself is, 'Does this label describe me.'

A good place to start is by reading the Satanic Bible. If it REALLY seems like LaVey is describing YOU when he talks about Satanists, if the words click with your sense of reason, then perhaps you are that rare type of person that can wear the label 'Satanist' with accuracy.

The words of Satanists tend to resonate with other Satanists.

If none of this is so for you, then you might just well be wasting your time here.

Age really isn't a factor in this case, as far as I can tell.
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#14865 - 11/24/08 02:27 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Age really isn't a factor in this case, as far as I can tell.


Of course it is Dan.

I do think Satanism is more than a label. It is used to decribe something, no argument there, but in the case of Satanism, it not only describes how you think but also how you live. The two are connected, you can't -certainly not in this branch- think opposite to how you live. There can't be conflicts, at least not of a permanent nature.
That's why I said that for teens it's rather easy. They don't know half of it; the manner of living and seriously, that's a tiny bit more difficult than accepting it intellectually.

Now, I encourage every teen to go out there and explore whatever but they should realize that thinking something doesn't naturally imply being something. That's the fault most make, they see or read something they like, adapt and consider themselves equals. No, seriously, no.

Age is a factor but it's not so limiting you have to sit frozen until you're older.

D.

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#14866 - 11/24/08 02:32 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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Hi Stef.

There are about as many differences of opinion on the subject, as there are people here, so I can only give you my personal opinion.

I believe, that once a person, of what ever age, is truly free to chose a philosophy (opinion for life) themselves, then they are able to choose, without asking others what they think about it.
In other words, if you have to ask, if it is ok to think a certain way, and believe certain things, you are not truly free in your thinking. This is ok. It takes most people a great part of life, to decide for themselves what they believe, and not have others tell them what they should believe.
As a matter of fact, most people go through their whole life, without thinking for themselves.

Another clue, that might show a person that they are not yet thinking for themselves, is the desire and need, to often attempt to convince others that their belief system is wrong, while yours are right.
Once you truly believe in yourself and your opinions, there will be very little, if any need to convince others that you are right.
Furthermore, even if you don’t feel the desire to tell others that your way is the right way, but still feel the need to tell them that you don’t have the desire to argue with them, might still mean, that you are not truly independent in your thinking.
In other words, if you have the desire to PROVE something to others, they still have control over you.

I am by no means suggesting, that a person should lock themselves away, and not bother expressing their opinions to others, because then one could not learn anything. The key is to be able to express your opinions, and then to listen to, and THINK about what the other person is saying in their response.
If you find that you cannot argue (defend) your position against that of another person, because they have some very good arguments, then there is nothing wrong with admitting that they may be right, and acknowledging that they may have taught you something. However, just because you may not be able to defend, and put forth a good argument about what you believe, doesn’t automatically mean that your opinion is not valid. Maybe, you just haven’t found the right vocabulary to express what you know, or might not have all of the information yet.

Also, as with any productive and positive choice, a person has to have many experiences to be able to chose the one that is best suitable for themselves. Often (but not always) a persons young age, has not given them enough information, and life experience to use, in making a final choice. The evidence for this, is in the fact, that even people in the later years of their lives, may decide to chose a different path to go down on, then the one which they have followed previously.

I would suggest, not to concern yourself too much about giving titles to your beliefs and experiences, but instead, experience life and live it to the fullest (but be smart and safe about it), and just enjoy it as much as you can.

Listen to, study, and read about the opinions and ideas of as many different people, or groups of people as you can. Especially those who are the most difficult to agree with; because it is very easy to listen to, and agree with ideas which confirm your existing beliefs, yet they limit greatly what you can learn from them.
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#14868 - 11/24/08 03:03 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Asmedious]
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Well Said Asmedius.

Diavolo,
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Of course it is Dan.

I do think Satanism is more than a label. It is used to decribe something, no argument there, but in the case of Satanism, it not only describes how you think but also how you live. The two are connected, you can't -certainly not in this branch- think opposite to how you live. There can't be conflicts, at least not of a permanent nature.

Agreed absolutely. Satanism is a walk, not a talk. When I talk about Satanism and the words of the Satanic Bible resonating, I'm not just talking about general agreeance with the philosophy but a recognition of self, both in philosophy and in action, and most of all in results.

I recognized my own Satanic nature at the age of 16, when I felt that sense of awe and bewilderment when reading TSB for the first time. At that time I was already living it. I had good grades, was popular, got the girls. I of course have grown enormously since that point, but my essential Satanic core, my black flame, has always been with me.

This is what I mean when I say age is not a factor.
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#14869 - 11/24/08 04:07 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I agree with that, it's in touch with the satanists are born, not made statement.

You can tune with it at an early age but life will put you to the test and make you realize if you're walking the path or are born for something else.

D.

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#14872 - 11/24/08 05:20 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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Well, being "ate up with Satanism" as I am, I'm going to weigh in and say that I think that a child really shouldn't rush to declare themselves ANYTHING in their early years. I'm not saying that they shouldn't explore and learn. Youth and adolescence are periods when the mind is absorbing things like a sponge, BUT it's also a period when one is most influenced by parents and peers, educators, society and the happenstances that bring them into contact with various conflicting ideas.

It's a time when one should BEGIN questioning, and learning to weigh opinions and concepts to see what rings true and what has the hollow echo of falsehood or delusion. We can begin to tell that in our teens, as we begin to know ourselves more thoroughly, as the pubescent flood of hormones and brain chemicals begins to settle down... most kids are awash with 'em at that age.

At 17 and 18, one begins to separate oneself from the family unit. While I of course agree that Satanists are born and not made, before one reaches that age of majority, he/she isn't yet independent. Being dependent upon one's parents for life support quite often stiffles one's ability to talk the talk, let alone walk the walk. and while one might be greatly inspired by the works of LaVey, Crowley, Jesus, or Willie Wonka, they of necessity have to take that support into consideration.

You've got plenty of time to "declare." Use it to find out what you AREN'T. And once you HAVE decided that you resonate to the term Satanist, as Diavolo said, life WILL test you. You'll be offered a lifetime of choices to see if the path you've chosen for yourself is true, or if you've deluded yourself. Even adults sometimes find those tests rough. Lovers that don't share your sentiments, disapproving family, employers, peers... hell, youngun' there are even strangers off of the streets that are willing to tell you you're WRONG.

I'd give it a while. Enjoy youth. You only get one shot at it. Lifelong religion or philosophy isn't something that should be a high priority for you yet. You've got time.
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#14874 - 11/24/08 06:27 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Jake999]
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hi Stef,

you have some very good answers here. At 17, you have so much life ahead of you and everything that happens is going to change and shape you bit by bit, until you are in your late 30's and by then, you will probably will be able to start really making statement about 'who' and 'what' you are. Not to say you won't continue to grow and change then, but for the most part your 'personality' is pretty set.

Question everything, and don't let your parents put you into a Christian box. You have every right to learn about what interestes you, as apposed to what interests them. Don't get too caught up in it all though. As long as you have some basic moral values (you know, don't steal, don't rape, don't fuck your mates girl etc), you'll be fine.

You will probably make lots of mistakes to learn by also. When I was younger, I cheated on my partners a few times. I felt so guilty that I eventually admitted to it and of course the relationships were ruined by it. So I learnt that for me, cheating ruined relationship and now I would never do it as I understand what the consequesnces of that action actually is. Just being told not to cheat would never have had the same effects.

I never asked people for advice when I was young, I wanted to make all my own mistakes and learn from them. And learn I certainly did! Enjoy being young and free while you can, because responsibility will certainly raise it's ugly head soon enough.

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#14877 - 11/24/08 07:08 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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Modern Satanism is not a religion, it is a philosophy.

It doesn't matter what other people think, it matters what you think/feel about it.

Read more, do research, look into what ideas resonate within yourself. Some of the other people spoke about Satanist being born with the black flame, not made. That is one reason why age doesn't matter.

None of us can really tell you if Satanism is for you. That is something you have to find out for yourself. This site is full of resources and various information that you can use as a jumping point.

As for Xitan churches, do what you feel is best. If you want them to do shit for you, appease them and go. If you think being a Satanist is just rebelling from them and a reason not to go, you might want to do more research. Its always better to know your opponites side of any matter because that knowledge is something you can use against them.

I am my sisters kid GodMother. They all knew I was a Satanist, but I agreed to it anyway. I went to church, did their rite, and nothing happened. The church didn't fall down, the water didn't turn black, people expected something and nothing came of it.

Religion only has the power you give to it.
If it doesn't matter to you, it doesn't mean anything.

Just be aware that just stating you are a Satanist can make life very hard. I would be selective as to whom you come out to.

Good Luck,
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#14886 - 11/25/08 01:48 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Morgan]
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I dont think that by being a satanist is a way for me to rebel against my parents. I cant stand when people say that. Its really not the reason. I have read the Satanic Bible already a few years ago and i did agree with a lot that was written. When i read it i felt the same way about it and thought this is something i need to learn more about and i have. But then i would see that oh to be a memeber in most groups they want you to be 18. I have nothing againts that i guess. I thought that people just had something againts younger kids being a satanist. Thats just why i asked. I am living my life to the fullest as much as i can even though my parents are forcing me to go to church and what not. I will keep learning as much as i can about Satanism. Its just kinda hard to find the right stuff to read and learn about.

Like ill have read something and thought that it was right and then go to another website or book that says that its wrong and that they dont like them or agree with them. so its just kinda hard for me to find the right stuff.

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#14887 - 11/25/08 03:12 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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so its just kinda hard for me to find the right stuff.


As it should be. Has anything that is deemed worthwhile easy or just given out for free?

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Like ill have read something and thought that it was right and then go to another website or book that says that its wrong and that they dont like them or agree with them.


You will come to find that with most things in life because (I think many will agree) that right and wrong are measured in what a person likes and what a person dislikes.

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But then i would see that oh to be a memeber in most groups they want you to be 18.


Have you ever thought that they do this for their own protection? I could quite possibly see some organization getting sued by someone's parent because they let the "child" join the organization.

Just because someone is under the age of 18 doesn't make them less intelligent. I have met many people both over 18 and under who act a lot more mature then most people their age. I guess it all depends on the individuals mentality not their age. I wont touch on that to much it has already been brought up.

Just a heads up, you don't need to be a member of this group or that group to obtain knowledge. All you need is a little bit of patience, and to look into the right places (i.e. library, book store and so on.)

Cheers and good luck
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#14891 - 11/25/08 08:43 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Ringmaster]
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I pretty much agree with most everything said here.

The teen years should be used to explore and realize what defines you. Don't be too quick to settle into anything definite- chances are you'll end up changing dramatically before you hit the 19-20 area.

I was raised in a moderately-religious Catholic American family, so this is what I initially identified with, but my path to the Left Hand side was anything but rebellion. I agreed with a deal of Christianity, found richness in the culture of Catholicism, and I eventually took a great liking to studying theology and religions. (and it came to the point, if I may flatter myself, that I knew far more about my professed religion than any of my family members) But the more I learned, the more I found myself disagreeing with mainstream Christianity. I ended up identifying more with apocryphal, gnostic, and other "heretical" literature, and it went on from there.

I first began to explore Satanism as a teenager. It was one of many relgions/philosophies/set of beliefs that I was studying at the time, and I felt identification with many paths over the following years, from Gnosticism and Heathenism to Symbolic (and Theistic) Satanism. But I didn't want to jump right into any of these too soon, since it felt like I would be missing out on something important. Consequently, I only decided to call myself a Satanist once I had been studying it for years and felt like I could no longer call myself anything else.

And of course for all my boasting, I can't claim more than two years on the sinister path, haha...

Time will tell, time will tell.
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#14992 - 11/28/08 07:00 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: The Zebu]
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I am 16 and I follow Left Hand Path NOT because of act of rebel or tu put a satanist label on myself.

Absolutely agree with Morgan - Satanism is Philosophy. I actually began following it when I started to show interest in philosophy.
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#15017 - 11/28/08 02:21 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: The Zebu]
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I grew up in a godless environment. Of course, catholicism was rather big here when I was young but in my family god isn't a thing mentioned. I never knew what my parents believed in, not even today. The same for my sisters. It doesn't exist in my family.

My schooling was in a catholic environment, as it traditionally was here. If you want decent schooling, you had to go to them. I've seen them all; monks and nuns, religion classes, involuntary masses and praying but it never touched me. I have an aversion for group things and authority and looked upon most stuff as rather silly, even when young.

I never encountered Satanism when I was young, at least none of an intelligent level. Your world is as big as the mediums it has and in my case, the books available were rather limited. That's what you get when you live in a rat-sized town in a rat-sized country. Tv wasn't the all-being in those days either.

Basically I lived the way I did think was right but I believed in a lot of stupid stuff when I was young. Naivity is something that takes time to destroy. You just don't have the knowledge when you are a puppy. The older you get, the easier it is to take some distance from your opinions from time to time and criticise them, see what is valid and what not.

When I encountered Lavey's little book, my manner of living was already fixed. I had an aha-erlebnis when reading it but that's about it and it took until the internet for me to fully explore my Satanism. Most through debate. I used the label Satanist during that period although I had years that I didn't wanna call myself one because I was fed up by all the losers wearing the same cape.

The last decades, all I do is finetune and weed in my ideas. I still like Satanism although the label is nothing but a form nowadays. I am more interested in the LHP itself than in its cultural descriptions.

Still, most of my convictions are rock-solid nowadays but not static. When I was a puppy, things were very different.

D.

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#15261 - 12/01/08 01:38 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
Stefanie Offline
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ok um again i dont want people to get confussed im not using this as an rebellion i was just saying my parents dont approve of it and want me to start being christian and im not just using it as a label either
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#15263 - 12/01/08 01:41 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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Why care whether or not your parents approve it? As far as wanting you to start being christian; well that is as stupid as wanting someone to start being a satanist. You can't be something you are not. Trying to do so will only drive you crazy.
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#15265 - 12/01/08 01:47 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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it does drive me crazy i told them that there is freedom of religion and thats what im doing. believing in something that i want to. they dont get that it doesnt count if your forced. they think that it will make them better parents if they send their kids to church when really its not doing anything but wasting my time. I wont let them force me to be anything.
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#15267 - 12/01/08 02:06 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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It's their idea that kids should go to church. They might have the best intentions but the wrong convictions. Now, since they do pay the bills, you will run out of options fast. You can argue and fight but it will probably lead nowhere.

You can try to convince them and give them good reasons why you prefer to not go but I don't know if they are willing to accept.

Or you could just go and don't make a big fuzz about it. It's like what, an hour a week? Too many satanists waste precious time fulminating at those damn christians but tell me, are they of such an importance that they are granted so much of our time? If the large part of your energy is invested in being an anti-christian, you won't have much time investing it in being a satanist. If you can't get over christianity, you ain't ready for Satanism.

I don't think any satanist has started melting when going to church and being there doesn't make anyone vulnerable for god or stain his soul. Use the time to think about things, compose poetry, watch people and their behavior. Sing funny songs in your head.

Sure it might be hypocritical but when being a hypocrite pays off better, be a hypocrite.

D.

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#15270 - 12/01/08 02:56 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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There are alot of good things already being said here, and much of what I think is already covered. The first thing I thought when I read this was, "If people can label themselves at a point in their life (such as Christian, etc.) then why is being a Satanist at 17 any different?"

My 10 year old sister is a die-hard Christian, but then again, she's only 10. She's not yet had souring life experiences that squash the false sense of comfort some people draw from Christianity or other God/faith/spiritual based religions. And then again, my parents are in their 40's and consider themselves Christians because they were saved and whatnot, and they think that every good thing that has ever happened to them is because they prayed for it, or God thought they deserved it. When things are low, they use the excuse of "It's in God's plans."

If people can live and grow up religious, and remain religious for the rest of their lives, why not be able to call yourself a Satanist if that's what you recognize yourself as, no matter what point in life you realize it?

If you establish a sense of who you are early on, it shouldn't make others think "oh she's too young to know she's Satanic." The next step you should take is to start building yourself and molding yourself further into adulthood and maturity on the Satanic foundation you've established. I think it's going to be much easier to establish your morals and outlook on life if you've already recognized yourself to be a part of something, in this case, Satanism.

There are definitely people out there who use Satanism or other labels as a crutch, to receive a sense of acceptance from a group, and to feel you're a part of something. If that's the case, then you're probably not here for the right reasons. But like in Dan's case, if you identify you have a "black flame" in you at an early age, then roll with it. If you recognize that in yourself, you have no business sitting in a Church of God...that only makes you look like a poser. Satanism might not be the path you ultimately follow, but at least you won't end up being a hypocritical Christian.

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#15271 - 12/01/08 03:18 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Chelsea_Grin]
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Seriously, all this church of god and anti-whatever is getting tiring. At what point did a satanist become a goodguy badge wearer?
Where does that whole concept come from that we have to be honest, open, black lone rangers following a code of honor. Hi Ho Satan.

A satanist is an egocentric asshole; a user. What is the fucking use of getting on the barricades and protesting if the reward is not worth the effort? Do we feel good about ourselves, are we more true? Fuck true, fuck good. Whenever it suits me, I am nice to people even when I couldn't care if they'd drop dead or not. I at times verbally destroy some because I can't have them breathing in my face, even when they were friendly and did nothing wrong. I eliminated friendships because friends become needy. If I want something needy, I get a dog.
If the pay-off is right, I might pretend to be a believer or a non-believer or a whatever. Hypocrisy is something to embrace because if you're a user, the end justifies the means.

If you're a kid, you might not realize this. Be a user, play your parents, pretend and be a hypocrite. So much tears about going to church while it means nothing at all. You probably waste more hours doing nothing of relevance a week, so why not play the game and use those hours to do something relevant to you.

On labeling; If I'd call myself a doctor at 17, would there be a difference between me and a doctor at 40?
Sure you'd say, experience at the very least. See, that's the point.

D.

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#15299 - 12/01/08 09:00 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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As a fellow teenage satanist, I do think that religion is important. Yet I don't think that finding a religion should be a kid/teens number one priority. Religion (whichever one is right for them) will be apparent to them when they encounter it. As it was said before, Satanists are born, not made. According to the following quote (which should sound familiar) a true religion is already the most important thing in your life.

Religion is the most important thing in a person's life. If electric trains are the most pervasive thing in one's life, that is his religion. Anything can be a religion if it means a lot. If your present religion isn't the most important thing in your life, then skip it. Find whatever impels you most and make that your religion.
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#15300 - 12/01/08 09:06 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo


A satanist is an egocentric asshole; a user. What is the fucking use of getting on the barricades and protesting if the reward is not worth the effort? Do we feel good about ourselves, are we more true? Fuck true, fuck good. Whenever it suits me, I am nice to people even when I couldn't care if they'd drop dead or not. I at times verbally destroy some because I can't have them breathing in my face, even when they were friendly and did nothing wrong. I eliminated friendships because friends become needy. If I want something needy, I get a dog.
If the pay-off is right, I might pretend to be a believer or a non-believer or a whatever. Hypocrisy is something to embrace because if you're a user, the end justifies the means.

If you're a kid, you might not realize this. Be a user, play your parents, pretend and be a hypocrite. So much tears about going to church while it means nothing at all. You probably waste more hours doing nothing of relevance a week, so why not play the game and use those hours to do something relevant to you.


I believe that little rant right there earned you my respect for some good time to come.
A pretty much "whatever works" idea suits you?
You never see ideas like that on christ chat.
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#15309 - 12/02/08 03:27 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Chelsea_Grin]
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If people can label themselves at a point in their life (such as Christian, etc.) then why is being a Satanist at 17 any different


I honestly don't think age is the issue here, it is the potential for the lack of understanding oneself at such a an age.
Honestly what 17 year old who lives with their parents has grasped a understanding about life and had the experience in dealing with the true issues of life?

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If you recognize that in yourself, you have no business sitting in a Church of God...that only makes you look like a poser. Satanism might not be the path you ultimately follow, but at least you won't end up being a hypocritical Christian.



Who are you to decide that someone has no business doing something? I have been attended catholic services several times out of respect for my grandfather. There is nothing unsatanic about attending a service of a different religion, isn't it considered smart to oberve and have an understanding of something you dislike? I took the time to gain more knowledge of their religion, so that way when I speak of why I dislike something of that particular religion I atleast can speak from experience. Poser? So because someone does something to either gain knowledge or because their parents impose such a rule upon them it makes them a poser? I think you views are misguided.
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#15321 - 12/02/08 11:37 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Ringmaster]
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Actually, you're right.
Looking back, that was a mistake.
And hypocritical on MY part.
I used to (begrudgingly) go to church with my parents, but it was because I wanted to compare, contrast, and learn. It was like an observation class for me.
So ringmaster, thanks for setting that straight, and my apologies for speaking out in the heat of the moment!

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#15327 - 12/02/08 01:41 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Ringmaster]
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I honestly don't think age is the issue here, it is the potential for the lack of understanding oneself at such a an age.
Honestly what 17 year old who lives with their parents has grasped a understanding about life and had the experience in dealing with the true issues of life?


i dont like how people say that just because im 17 that i havent had any life experience when really ive had plenty. I dont usually tell people about it because they werent good experiences. I have had good ones. I know i will have more that might change who i am or might just add to the list of bad shit that happens.





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#15343 - 12/02/08 05:21 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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 Originally Posted By: Stefanie


i dont like how people say that just because im 17 that i havent had any life experience when really ive had plenty. I dont usually tell people about it because they werent good experiences. I have had good ones. I know i will have more that might change who i am or might just add to the list of bad shit that happens.


That's a very true point (in my eyes at least) that many people don't consider. People grow and learn via experiences, not just time. Time only provides an opportunity for people to have such experiences.
Though it looks like ringmaster also understood that by saying "potential for the lack of understanding."
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#15344 - 12/02/08 05:54 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Phaethon]
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Kids, learn how to use punctuation, basic grammar, and how to spell. Until then, you will not be taken seriously. If you don't like that, LEAVE. Be assured that if you can't comport yourself properly, you're not welcome.
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#15350 - 12/02/08 06:14 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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I don't think that you have had no life experience. I stated that there is a potential. Granted I truely know nothing about you, but I am making an assumption based of what I have seen from other individuals.
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#15351 - 12/02/08 06:15 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Octavius]
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My take on the original question:

Keep an eye out for how things work: social interactions and self dicipline. People like LaVey did. Maybe you'll see you're a satanist already.

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#15381 - 12/03/08 03:46 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: coelentrate]
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Jesus christ, stop the fucking whinefest!!!!!

You live at home, lie to your parents to shut them up.
Go to church, study in school, get a job.
Then At 18.......
Move the fuck out and do what you want.

Shit, its a fucking hour, maybe a hour and a half if they serve cake and coffee afterwards.

Study about religions/philosophy/ math homework.
Expanding your mind doesn't mean you have to throw the knowledge in their face.

Do what you want, make a decison, and accept responsibility for it.

Your 18 in less than a year, its time to grow up.

Morgan

Someone lock this fucking thread!!!!!
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#15395 - 12/03/08 10:24 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Morgan]
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When I was 17 my life's ambition was to be a killer. I joined the military with the intention of being trained in combat and moving my way into role with Special Forces or a specialized killing job. Upon completion of military service, I was then going to either join the Mafia or become a mercenary. I have no idea how I was going to join the Mafia, since I didn't know one person from the organization, let alone anyone from NY or NJ. Within 6 months of military service, I realized how retarded my ambition was and refocused my energy on just being the best Army soldier I could. I had also said I would never get married and would skate for the rest of my life. Well I have been married for 20 years now, have two boys who are a pain in my ass, and haven't ridden a skateboard in 15 years. Perspectives change. With age not only comes experience, but wisdom. What seems right now, will not in 5 years. Deep down, there is the essence that is you. Everything else is just bumper stickers, paint, and window dressing. Find your essence, and go with it.

Funny thing, today most of my friends are from NY and include 2 shady characters that "know some people" and "did some things". When I told one of them that I had recently lost my job, he offered to help. I politely refused his offer. Somehow I don't want to owe a favor to a guy named Sal "three fingers".
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#15408 - 12/03/08 02:00 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: fakepropht]
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sorry i posted anything i see now that when i ask a simple question people treat it like as if it was murder sorry i wont ask anything again. and i do have a job so thanks for saying that i didnt

Edited by Stefanie (12/03/08 02:03 PM)

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#15410 - 12/03/08 02:07 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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No one said anything to that effect. And most of the stuff posted in here was not directed towards you. Everyone did a great job answering your question, and most of which was done unharshly. I'm 17 too, and I took this as constructive criticism/just people's opinions. People aren't cotton candy and fluff in here. If you ask something, expect most of what you hear back to be harsh in some way.
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#15426 - 12/03/08 05:25 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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I didn't imply that you didn't have a job. That matters little in this conversation. You asked for opinions, and you received them. That's why this is a public forum. We are not a community of like minded glad handers. If you don't like the responses you get, you can either move to a different forum or accept the responses, learn from them, grow from them, and use them to your advantages.

That being said, I don't think I properly expressed myself in my response. I have NEVER met a person under the age of 20 that called themselves a satanist that really understood it. They have all been in it for the wrong reasons. To piss off their parents. Because 3 of their friends thought it was cool and they wanted to be like their friends. Because some band said they were. Because they found some really neato myspace that claimed to be satanic. If they even own a copy of TSB, they have only given it a quick read through. Usually stopping when it got too involved. They haven't explored other writings or ideas. They act rude and dress like monsters, flash the sign of devil, cover themselves in baphomets and upside down crosses, and when anyone questions them about looking stupid, they spout off crap about being evil and satan. Usually the first few sites they sign up at are real bad examples of Satanism. But they are attracted to them since they have all the symbols and mindless rhetoric they identify with. So any time I meet a young satanist, I am automatically skeptical. My suggestion to young satanists is to do some learning from us old dinosaurs. I have worn the label for 20 years. Jake, longer than me. In fact, a good portion of this site is made up of users that could be considered "veterans". It would do a young whippersnapper some good to read what these users post. Query them via pm, if they are willing to answer you. 90% of young persons calling themselves satanist wash out and move on to something else. We hate wasting our time guiding them when in a year our efforts were wasted and now they are emos, juggalos, rastafarians, or president of the Jonas Brothers fan club.
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#15430 - 12/03/08 05:36 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: fakepropht]
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Query them via pm, if they are willing to answer you.


I'm not a dinosaur and I do know NOTHING about Satanism. I'm actually in the servive of the Pope to confuse things up here. So if any of you youngsters out there has the brainfart to query me through PM, I'll track down your home adress and shove pointy things up yer ass.

Thanks fake. <---- query him, a LOT.

D.

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#15447 - 12/03/08 11:18 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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So if any of you youngsters out there has the brainfart to query me through PM, I'll track down your home adress and shove pointy things up yer ass.

D.


BONUS!!! You would have to pay extra anywhere else for that kind of service!!!

But on to the question at hand. From your petulent response to the comments and suggestions of others, you've pretty much answered your own question. YOU as a teen are not ready for Satanism. Satanism takes much, much more than simply wanting to be. It's not "cool." It's no t a club. It's a philosophical life choice with elements of religious and dogmatic influences.

I'm probably old enough to be your grandfather, and I'm here to tell you, it isn't about age. Do you think that just because I'm almost 60, people give me a pass and think that I've got some kind of inalienable right to my beliefs? That's a fairy tale. Freedom of Religion in America or anywhere else is what you are willing to defend, sometimes with words, and sometimes with your life, and sometimes just with the dignity and personal fortitude to know that others have their opinions, and will at the drop of a hat express them vociferously. You can fold or have the faith of your own convictions to stand in the face of adversity and know your shit enough to answer their challenges in an adult an knowledgable way.

Yes, I know you aren't an adult. But if you think you're adult enough to make a life choice, you have to accept that mantel and all that goes with it. In real life, you can't sit on the sofa and sulk when what people say isn't what you want to hear.
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#15455 - 12/04/08 12:03 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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Oops, I may regret making that statement. Won't be the first time. Thanks D for bringing that to my attention. I can hardly wait.
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#15484 - 12/04/08 02:25 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: fakepropht]
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That being said, I don't think I properly expressed myself in my response. I have NEVER met a person under the age of 20 that called themselves a satanist that really understood it.

"Coughs".. also thank you very much.
However you may have a point there, you have the right to say me or another person from under the age of 20 may not have a good understanding of Satanism for the right reasons or even understood it. I can say I do, You can say I don't. Depends on the different perspectives I guess.
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#15487 - 12/04/08 04:46 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dimitri]
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I think at pre-20 you don't have a good understanding of anything, including yourself. There might be exceptions and I'm pretty convinced every teen and post-teen thinks he's that exception but in general, I think the reasons why we believe or understand at a young age are completely different from the reasons we believe when older, or wiser or whatever you'd like to call it.

My understanding of Satanism is a constant process, a darwinist struggle and how I think about certain aspects today, is totally different from how I did think about it 10, 5 or even a year ago.

It involves much more than just reading the SB and thinking; that's me alright. I think you should look at the SB as something like programming for dummies. You learn the basics but it's nothing but a start position. The real work starts from that point and with it comes your understanding or departure from Satanism.

Most teens I've witnessed in the past decade have a very basic understanding of Satanism and them being a satanist is based upon that understanding. 95% of them drop out of Satanism when they get into their 20ies, if they don't drop out before. They all did think they were bred satanists but then they grew up.

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#15532 - 12/05/08 01:03 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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I think at pre-20 you don't have a good understanding of anything, including yourself.
Following pure logic I can apply the same thing towards "older people". Only they like to call it "life experience". I'm not saying they are all like that. But it can be applied to a big part of the society.

I encountered many weird situations. When "older people" made a mistake in their thinking and I simply showed (with logic) their words didn't make sense, the sentence "How would you know? You just came watching on earth, you don't have any life experience, I know best and you better listen to me!"
I mean.. to hell with it. Saying to me people are more intelligent of have a better understanding of a certain philosophy because they have more "life-experience" equals to me as "I'm a fucking retard hiding my incompetence behind my age".
Altough I will not say there are many people who understand certain philosophies at young age. On the contrary there are few for the wrong reasons. But I want to point out that age isn't a big factor of having a better understanding about life. I can provide evidences of people who are older than me and probably equally/older than the most members here who claim to have a better understanding but simply talk bullshit.
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#15533 - 12/05/08 01:06 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dimitri]
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With full respect of you people. but you don`t know me? , i think it`s a pitty that you judge people only by their age.
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#15538 - 12/05/08 02:01 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Loki]
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We not only judge people by their age, but also by their posts. Sadly, your posts AND your age aren't doing you any credit here. Download a free spell checker for IE called ieSpell. Just because English isn't your first language doesn't mean you get a free ticket to ride on our forbearance.
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#15541 - 12/05/08 02:07 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dimitri]
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You forgot to add to the part you quoted:
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There might be exceptions and I'm pretty convinced every teen and post-teen thinks he's that exception


So what are we debating about?

That you have a fenomenal grasp of Satanism at your age? That another youngster on this board displays it? Please feel free to tell me which puppy on this board is that elite one. I surely must have missed it.
If there is one, he's probably the exception but I'll stick a feather up my ass and imitate a chicken on youtube if you can give me 5 fenomenal names.

Weird that you people argue what this board provides evidence for on a daily base.

Oh and Loki, goddamn stop crying I judge you when you judge people based upon your preferences.

D.

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#15543 - 12/05/08 02:47 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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Hmmm, you better read my first post again.
Only point I'm making is that it is easy to say you have a better understanding of life or other things just by your age. But into my eyes it is just talking bullshit. I know enough people where you can easily say they didn't became wiser with their age.

I'm not saying I have a full understanding I'll quote myself from my first response:
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However you may have a point there, you have the right to say me or another person from under the age of 20 may not have a good understanding of satanism for the right reasons or even understood it. I can say I do, You can say I don't. Depends on the different perspectives I guess.


Edited by Dimitri (12/05/08 02:47 PM)
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#15544 - 12/05/08 04:04 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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Having argued this in the past, I believe it doesn't matter how old you are to start researching about anything to tell the truth. Age doesn't hold you back from having certain beliefs. Sure you may have better understanding at a later age, but what matters more is your level of maturity and ability to comprehend what it is your looking into.
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#15546 - 12/05/08 04:42 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Mike]
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I'm 17 as well, but I allow my parents to have certain things their way for the sake that my siblings are either too young or too immature to understand my beliefs. In addition, I do it out of pure respect for my parents.

But, overall, I feel that if one desires to become a Satanist, no one should stand in the way of it. Although the whole idea of "you can believe whatever you want............so long as the majority is down with it" is very real, we've been long past actual persecution (ex. burning at the stake). It's one's responsibility to be more mature than the next guy, so I try to live up to that and tolerate others, so long as they don't mess with me.
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#15548 - 12/05/08 06:17 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Anthony West]
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 Originally Posted By: Anthony West
It's one's responsibility to be more mature than the next guy, so I try to live up to that and tolerate others, so long as they don't mess with me.


And this is very commendable, indicating that you've made an adult decisicion to study and to look into Satanism, or indeed any other philosophy, in a mature and responsible manner, not automatically deciding that because you have read one book and liked the way the words came together in your mind, you're the reincarnation of Anton LaVey. The problem with many of the youth who decide that they're Satanists is that they've read the book and, having read the book, they assume that now they are qualified to be called a Satanist.

Satanism, in the LaVeyan concept, has just as much, if not more, to do with individual responsibility and the development one's personal skillsets to become not only as asset to the Church as a visible model of what can be, but to oneself as well. Any fool on the block can dress in black and remember a few lines from a book. Millions upon millions of Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc., do it every day. And there are some inspirational passages in The Satanic Bible that you SHOULD know by heart.

But chief amongst the things one should learn is the phrase RESPONSIBILITY TO THE RESPONSIBLE. It weaves its way through all levels of life in the mind of The Satanist. Certainly, you respect those who are responsible enough to take care of their own life. They thrive, they excel, and become those "for whom it is measured," meaning; those other people look to as role models of success.

One of the responsibilities of youth is to learn and to question one's learning so that they don't become self deluded, thinking that they KNOW. They have an idea. They have SOME experiences, but the experiences one has as a youth are cloistered because as a youth, seldom are you actually "on your own." There are still the failsafes of parents and schools and mentors. Your life's learning is often colored, at least in part by these influences. What one finds of life beyond these influences, when they're "in the real world," of paying bills and making a living and being the one who they now have to be responsible to quite often changes even their most cherished beliefs. Life sometimes unlearns all we have learned about ourselves.

Sorry to be so long winded, but this is all to say that I applaud those youths who would study Satanism... or any other philosophical life choice that interests them. But I would urge them to hold off on declaring what they are until they reach that age of maturity and self sufficiency when they CAN be on their own and delve into those things that interest them without the tainting and coloring influences of family, teachers, mentors and peer groups. You've got time. Life is long and values change. What I KNEW at 15, 16 and 17 is quite a bit different than what I KNEW at 20, 21 and 25. At 30, I was pretty sure. At 50, I knew I had made the right choices FOR ME... at almost 60, I hope you make the right choices for YOU.

Just don't rush it. Enjoy your youth.
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#15552 - 12/05/08 07:43 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Jake999]
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What I KNEW at 15, 16 and 17 is quite a bit different than what I KNEW at 20, 21 and 25. At 30, I was pretty sure. At 50, I knew I had made the right choices FOR ME... at almost 60, I hope you make the right choices for YOU.

Wisdom.

I have called myself a Satanist since I was 16. Back then, I saw a reflection of my core nature in the Satanic Bible and thought it fit. In my particular case it seems I was right, as it has been 15 years since that point. But how I view myself, the world, and my Satanism has changed dramatically since that point.

Age, time, experience, all give a person a deeper understanding of anything. I see the youngsters with a visible 'black spark' that has not yet been blown into a flame by life and I see what I once was. I see them speaking as I once spoke, motivated by the same things I was once motivated by. Experiencing the early parts of the trip that is Satanism.
These same people don't really understand when I talk about the deeper aspects that can only come with understanding and time. They are just not there yet.

And for the younger crowd that have been screaming 'agism', let me say this: raw intelligence is a have or have not situation. Age does not alter that. What age does alter is the way you use that intelligence based off perceptions being changed. This is not a matter of old versus young but a matter of process.

I at 31 see things different that the ones here in their 40s , who in turn are a little bit different than those in their 50s and 60s. I don't think the process can end as long as you live. (Barring confining yourself to a dark room for the rest of your life.) At least I hope not.

As a disclaimer though I feel I must add that I don't think age, in and of itself, provides wisdom or understanding. Time is a factor but if that time belongs to a dullard or someone that does not value learning or improving (which is most people sadly) it will not be of much use. It is easy to look at a lot of older people, druggies, losers, or even that sweet little old mormon lady that knocks on your door and say 'HAH! I'm smarter than THEY are, and much younger!', but that is neither here nor there.
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#15578 - 12/06/08 03:54 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I agree that age doesn't bring wisdom just by getting older.
Just as it doesn't make people get smarter. Age only makes people get older.

Frankly I don't even like the word wisdom too much. But what aging does is give you the time to experience and think, to undergo, conquer and explore.

None ever debates that certain sports or professions need practice to be good at. You ain't going to become a good mountaineer just by knowing the theory, as you ain't going to be a good doctor just by going to school. Doing it over and over and over again, being confronted with your limitations, with the limitations of your ideas, with the problems and overcome those is what makes you good at something. And like in everything, there will always be people that fail at something or just don't fit with it and have to find another direction. I'm pretty sure there are wannabe doctors whom, in their and their patients best interest, swap professions and become truckdrivers. As there are mountaineers whom have fear of heights and find another hobby.

It's the same with Satanism. You might like it, you might even think you tune with it, but time or age or experience or practice will reveal how very you it is.

How can anyone below a certain age have a good grasp of something when only being a split-second confronted to it? Seriously, not too many years ago, some where playing with their dolls and now they embrace a might is right philosophy. That's all nice and dandy but it requires a depth to understand and that depth will only become visible due to aging with it.

And yes there are old farts being incredible dumb but talking from a satanic perspective, aging to us goes together with a lot of hard work. We generally don't tend to sit on our ass until it is wrinkled. We, during that period, strive for shit.

Like I said before, evidence is provided on this board. I don't even have to look at a profile from a noob to see who is around what age when they register here. I'm not stating all kids are stupid but most noobs ask the noob questions or debate out of a noob context. They might not even know it and think they're pretty amazing but fact is, they aren't. I don't even mind them asking noob questions as long as it isn't the stuff that could have easily been answered by themselves if they wouldn't be so goddamn lazy.

Still, there are some that might show potential and the ones surviving the first heat at least deserve some respect from me but showing potential and some backbone doesn't automatically imply they are the shit. Fact is, most their ideas or philosophy is rather flat and it'll take time to get the depth out of it.

Any youngster out there has all the opportunities to prove me wrong at any time. There is a whole board filled with subjects you can go crazy upon and show what stuff you are about. You can put all the depth and understanding you have in every post and reply you make. Do that instead of demanding respect just for claiming a label.

D.

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#15585 - 12/06/08 05:26 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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And this is very commendable, indicating that you've made an adult decisicion to study and to look into Satanism, or indeed any other philosophy, in a mature and responsible manner, not automatically deciding that because you have read one book and liked the way the words came together in your mind, you're the reincarnation of Anton LaVey.


Why thank you, Jake999.

Although I've made an adult decision to properly research various religions, philosophies, stc. One must remember how time changes you.

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What I KNEW at 15, 16 and 17 is quite a bit different than what I KNEW at 20, 21 and 25. At 30, I was pretty sure. At 50, I knew I had made the right choices FOR ME... at almost 60, I hope you make the right choices for YOU.


I distinctly remember that, when I was only was only a few years younger than my current age, I was intolerant of (believe it or not) non-Christians. I was a religious fanatic that would carry a bible to school in his bag, read it at lunch, and open it every chance I got. Hell, that was a textbook for life.

It was only when about 2 years ago came that I saw exactly how short life was. After wrestling and experiencing a seizure to be rushed to the hospital and tested, I found out that my life was being threatened by cancer for the past 5 years previous. Undergoing 6 months of chemotherapy and a couple weeks of radiation, I said to myself that life was just too short to be obsessed with hatred and intolerance of other that haven’t truly done anything (themselves) to invoke my wrath.

Today, I’m a Satanist who is also a pacifist and spreads the word about peace, but doesn't by any means force my ideals of beliefs on others unless they desire to know them

On a trip to Thailand, once upon a time, I met a Buddhist monk who I asked “What do Buddhists view other religions as?”

He thought for a moment then responded. “I won’t speak for all Buddhists in the worlds, so I’ll just speak for myself. There are many paths to enlightenment, whether it be through religion of philosophy, enlightenment can only be reached when you’ve come to peace with yourself.”

I didn’t feel that he had answered my question at the time. Now that I'm older, wiser, and more intelligent, I realize that that was more than enough of an answer to suffice.

How does this relate to Satanism?

There are many paths to enlightenment, it's clear that many of the people on this site have chosen Satanism as I have. But that's not the only way to reach it.

In addition to the wise monk's words, don't speak for everyone who follows ways similar or exactly like yours. He refused to speak for all Buddhists. I've learned from this and attempt to not speak for all Satanists at once.

Basically, as you grow older, you learn more and gain experience that ultimately leads to you changing, whether you want to or realize it. In addition, enlightenment is simply peace of mind; peace with yourself and peace with the world around you.

All apologies for dragging that out so long.


Edited by Anthony West (12/06/08 05:27 AM)
Edit Reason: Puncuation and spelling
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#15597 - 12/06/08 06:18 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Anthony West]
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See, this is what I am talking about. You are articulate but it doesn't hide the naivity at some levels.
Now don't take this too personal, I am getting rather blunt.

This peace and Satanism symbiosis is rather dumb. There is an expression 'don't throw the baby out with the bathwater' but what you do here is just put the same baby in a different tub.

Satanism and peace go as well together as Ghandi and Stalin dancing the tango. Satanists are never at peace with themselves, neither with humanity, nor the world. I'd say that peace is an illusion and just doesn't exist in the satanic context. I'd say it doesn't exist at all.
It might make sense in your mind but to Satanism peace is what water was to the wicked witch.

Now, this isn't the post to delve too deep into it, but I invite you to write down your thoughts in a new post and I'll happily tear it apart. ;\)

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#15598 - 12/06/08 06:24 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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Satanists are never at peace with themselves, neither with humanity, nor the world. I'd say that peace is an illusion and just doesn't exist in the satanic context.

I'd say: speak for yourself. I'm quite at peace with myself. And with the world (i.e feeling indifferent from what's all going on..).

Concept peace is quite discussable.. I quite share the opinion peace is an illusion.
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#15599 - 12/06/08 06:30 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dimitri]
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Like I said, I'm not going to delve deeper into it here, he can, if he wants, make a post about it.

You embrace the satanic label without knowing the depth of it. Of course you argue here because you think you know your stuff, and partly because your emotional nuts hurt from me at times putting my foot on them. Get over it, I'm not a hugger.

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#15600 - 12/06/08 07:28 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
Like I said, I'm not going to delve deeper into it here, he can, if he wants, make a post about it.

You embrace the satanic label without knowing the depth of it. Of course you argue here because you think you know your stuff, and partly because your emotional nuts hurt from me at times putting my foot on them. Get over it, I'm not a hugger.

D.

Was that part adressed to me? Because in that case you are quite talking bullshit. I've said it before and I keep repeating it; I embrace nothing at all. And I never claimed I know my stuff. Learn to read before making assumptions. And indeed you are not a hugger, you're more someone who wants attention and wants to feel special. Get over it, you don't look tough, more like a wimp hiding it's weakness.
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#15601 - 12/06/08 07:39 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dimitri]
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Of course you embrace, most of your replies I can predict because they are typical euro-opinions infested by our culture. Been there, done that, it's why I state that with age comes depth, if not only by realizing we reproduce a lot of shit fed to us.

And I don't want to feel special, I AM special. Ask my mommy.
If you doubt it, feel free to set up a date. I might even bring flowers.

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#15602 - 12/06/08 07:41 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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I think you're special, Diavolo.
Can I hug you?
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#15603 - 12/06/08 08:20 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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Of course you embrace, most of your replies I can predict because they are typical euro-opinions infested by our culture. Been there, done that, it's why I state that with age comes depth, if not only by realizing we reproduce a lot of shit fed to us.

And I don't want to feel special, I AM special. Ask my mommy.
If you doubt it, feel free to set up a date. I might even bring flowers.

D.

Hey, Most American responses are also predictable.. High bullshit-factor in it. Mostly straight-forward physic violation of a person. Got the slight impression there are few who really understand the true power of psychology without cursing.

How nice of you to bring flowers.. I prefer roses.. they taste the best.
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#15605 - 12/06/08 09:54 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dimitri]
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In addition to the wise monk's words, don't speak for everyone who follows ways similar or exactly like yours. He refused to speak for all Buddhists. I've learned from this and attempt to not speak for all Satanists at once.


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Satanists are never at peace with themselves


One thing that I HAVE learned about life, is never speak for others. Satanism, like any religion or philosophy, is viewed differently by different people. I promise you that Satanism is different and plays different roles in various people's lives.

Like Satanism, "at peace" can mean a completely different thing from person to person.

I'm at peace with myself and the world around me. I've accepted that I'm a bisexual, slightly overweight, geek who enjoys music beyond all means. I've also accepted that the world around me is dishonest, sexist, racist, and other unfortunate things. By my definition and view on reality, I'm at peace.

(I'm actually working on an essay on "enlightenment" that you can feel free to tear up for yourself, Diavolo. I'll contact you once I post it and give you the link.)


Edited by Anthony West (12/06/08 09:57 AM)
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#15612 - 12/06/08 11:07 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Anthony West]
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 Originally Posted By: Anthony West



I'm at peace with myself and the world around me. I've accepted that I'm a bisexual, slightly overweight, geek who enjoys music beyond all means. I've also accepted that the world around me is dishonest, sexist, racist, and other unfortunate things. By my definition and view on reality, I'm at peace.


Indeed, that's how I am too. I am also young, but for the short 16 years of my life, I do believe that I am currently at peace with myself.
A Satanism isn't Just one spot in the world of mindsets, it is a path, the Left Hand Path. The reason why younger people seem to not understand Satanism (or other philosophies) as well or the same as you do, is because they are at a different point on the road of life. A person who is older may have experienced more love, hate, loss and gain, all of which helps build them as a person. But this is true with many pursuits. People may have an undying zeal for something, but then an experience changes all they believe.

Now to the older or more experienced members here, may I just say that they younger people here may be going through what you have in the past, when you started your road of Satanism. I'm not saying be nice, but just recognize who is attempting to progress, and bitch slap those who are stuck in their faltering ideologies.
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#15614 - 12/06/08 11:16 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Phaethon]
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bitch slap those who are stuck in their faltering ideologies.


Someone get this guy a drink, cigarette, or something. I think he deserves it for saying something as bluntly as he did. Atta boy!

Anyways, I'm in agreement with his comment about recognizing that youngsters have a lot of space to grow and a lot to experience.

I'm only 17 and would like to know what there is that the older generation would like us to know about Satanism and life. In fact, I'll go start a thread for it.


Edited by Anthony West (12/06/08 11:20 AM)
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#15621 - 12/06/08 03:10 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Anthony West]
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One thing that I HAVE learned about life, is never speak for others. Satanism, like any religion or philosophy, is viewed differently by different people. I promise you that Satanism is different and plays different roles in various people's lives.


I don't know where you guys get the idea but I ain't the satanic spokesman of my generation. I always speak for myself and my Satanism. It might touch with some, crash with others but it doesn't hinder me from speaking my mind.
So what you see is my opinion on things. And sorry but my Satanism isn't all-loving and non-discriminating. It isn't a happy family philosophy.

What puzzles me most is all the fuzz because you are not considered full by some. So you pick up one of the labels with a reputation slightly better than fascism or pedophelia and the thing that bothers you most is your credibility in the eyes of others? Is being accepted and embraced seriously worth that much? You want that for free, without doing some effort for it?
God loves people for nothing, Satan needs a reason.

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#15677 - 12/07/08 10:04 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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What puzzles me most is all the fuzz because you are not considered full by some. So you pick up one of the labels with a reputation slightly better than fascism or pedophelia and the thing that bothers you most is your credibility in the eyes of others? Is being accepted and embraced seriously worth that much? You want that for free, without doing some effort for it?
God loves people for nothing, Satan needs a reason.


I don't quite understand what you are asking and saying.

Mind rewording it?
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#15701 - 12/07/08 02:00 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Anthony West]
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I THINK what was intended was all the "fuss" - not "fuzz".

The rest should fall into place when this word is changed.
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#15702 - 12/07/08 02:25 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Picunnus]
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Thanks for pointing out my involuntary eubonics, not that I think it made much difference in understanding the rest.

Anyways, what I am implying is that this whole 'accept me as full even when I'm a teen-satanist' is a bit silly.
First of all, I don't need to accept anyone and even if I do, I do it on my terms. Expect the same of others.
Second, what is so deserving of respect in simply claiming a label?
To do so is to either assume we are a happy family - the faster you get that idea out of your head the better- or to think there should be some relativist approach towards things. Your signature seems to indicate that. Forget that idea too.

Fact is; this is a satanic forum and none deserves respect here for no reason. Respect is earned and if you didn't earn it yet work at it or ponder about the possibility that what you say doesn't resonate with others because what you are and what others are is too different. Consider the possibility you might indeed be ignorant at some levels.
If you are not considered as full by some, tough luck, such is life. It should not turn you into a trembling wreck. You either learn to live with it and maybe work at it, or you ignore it and carry on.

This place isn't easy, people might be hard, I'm sure not going to add 'but have the best intentions' to it because you can't even be sure of that but if there is one thing good at this site, it's that a lot are goddamn honest. So if you're a puppy, consider that a real big benefit. It might get you somewhere.

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#15717 - 12/07/08 05:02 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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Alright, I looked over what you said and I think I get the basics of it.

You're right on the whole respect thing, and, in response, I've changed my signature to fit what I believe instead of "demand."

I see what you are saying, I may not agree with all of it, but I do understand where you're coming from.

Anyways, teen Satanists.

What do ya'll think?

I personally think that it's a rough decision to be made so early in one's life (to become a Satanist), but it is a decision that is a good one.
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#15721 - 12/07/08 06:03 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Anthony West]
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Mate, I'm going to give you some good advice here, you do with it what you want.

Satanism is cold and hard and essentially you are on your own in it. Most people prey on weakness and at this moment you display it that much that sooner or later the gates of hell will open for you. To me there isn't even fun to it, it's too easy.

Reconsider what you know about Satanism and reconsider your position in it. If peace, harmony and enlightenment are your thing, go check out paganism. Of course there is also a lot of crap in it but there are parts that might be more in tune with you than the demon inside Satanism.

I don't tell you what to do but believe me, if this is what you really are, your ride through Satanism will inevitable end at one point and it sure won't be enjoyable.

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#15757 - 12/08/08 01:01 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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Of course it won't be enjoyable at one point, but it will be until that point is reached. With you and others consistently bashing me when I turn every corner is constructive, and I enjoy it considerably. (Not to sound mentally ill or anything.)

Anyways, I'll take your advice into consideration before speaking, but I'll most likely just spit it back out.

-Anth
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#15777 - 12/08/08 05:30 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Stefanie]
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i dont like how people say that just because im 17 that i havent had any life experience when really ive had plenty.


As I have just written in another thread, at 17 even with a new experience everyday, you have only experienced being a child. You are yet to experience being an Adult. Wait until you have actually been an Adult, or better yet, been an Adult for as long as you have been a child for.

Then and only then, are you actually able to say that your life experience is that of an adult. At 17 it is ONLY THE EXPERIENCES OF A CHILD. No matter how difficult that was, it was a difficult childhood, you didn't magickally become an adult, this is not the movies.

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#15811 - 12/09/08 12:35 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I think you ALL are getting a little self rightous with the age factor.

"edited out"

So I am sick and tired about people bitching that as a teen you have no real life experience.

Its not an age thing, its an intelligence thing.

Gtanted some people are stupid motherfuckers, but thats something across the fucking board not limited to an age.

We used to have a 13 year old moderator here years ago.

Its time to cut the age shit off.
Grow up!!


Morgan


Edited by Morgan (12/09/08 12:44 AM)
Edit Reason: You all dont need to know my past experiences.....
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#15819 - 12/09/08 05:34 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Morgan]
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as far as teens or children being satanists goes, i think its great, BUT the sad part is many of them only to it to be a rebel, and its usually rebel Satanism, but when a teen gets into one of the "truer" sects such as traditional, modern, laveyan, you no stuff thats NOT about "evil n darkness in a lake of fire" then its a good thing. in my experience with fellow satanists, i have yet to find one who doenst have character, i belive any sect of Satanism does help you better yourself as a person, and gives you sort of a better viriety of ideas on just about any aspect of your life, i just became a traditional satanist about 3 months ago and i gotta say so far things in my teenage life are going much better than when i was an angry Atheist, although i got into it with the help and support of my friends who kind of introduced it, it was the only religion that made sense you know? anyways i think teens/children into NON rebel Satanism is a great thing for themselves and humanity
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#15822 - 12/09/08 07:11 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Reece]
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Reece, do us a favor and capitalize your "i"s and the beginnings of your sentences. This is not your usual forum and we pride ourselves on members being mature and intelligent. At 15, you sound like you have the intelligence, but please put your English grammar skills to good use here. Your spelling is great, and brownie points to you for that!

If you don't capitalize your "i" when speaking of yourself, what does that tell others about how much you value yourself? Are we not our own Gods, makers of our destinies and who answer to no one? Besides a judge of course, but most of us are smarter than that or have learned our lessons ;\)

Some of us, more so than others, can be extremely anal when it comes to things like that.

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#15824 - 12/09/08 07:22 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Nemesis]
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As I have said before, knowledge is key. I have been drawn to a satanist core for years. I am only 21. I still go to church with my mom and grand mother. why? Because it makes them feel good which makes me feel good. Your parents support you, is one hour of church too much to ask? Remember they work 40+ hours a week so you can have clothes, food, entertainment and a roof over your head. Why not sacrifice a little back?
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#15862 - 12/10/08 01:23 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Butterz]
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As I have said before, knowledge is key. I have been drawn to a satanist core for years. I am only 21. I still go to church with my mom and grand mother. why? Because it makes them feel good which makes me feel good. Your parents support you, is one hour of church too much to ask? Remember they work 40+ hours a week so you can have clothes, food, entertainment and a roof over your head. Why not sacrifice a little back?


I agree with you.

Although I agree with very little that my parents say or do, they did bring me into this world (at everyone else on this forum's expense) and I have to respect them for that.

Like I've been told countless times before in this community, respect is earned, and I'm pretty sure that they earned my respect for reasons that Butterz mentioned, as my parents do the same for me.

Now, pretty much, I feel that a teen Satanist has the obligation to the true about their beliefs, but has another obligation to respect the beliefs of their creators (Ma and Pa.)
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#15888 - 12/10/08 04:34 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Anthony West]
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It seems like the consensus when it comes to teen satanists and their parents is to maintain fairness. If they provide you with food and shelter and a livable environment, you should give them the benefit of going to church or making their lives not as miserable as it would be by ruining their reputation. Just don't deliberately hurt them, otherwise they'd have no reason to respect your beliefs. Though if they are terrible and you are completely defendant from them, move out and act on your own, like how you should do eventually.
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#16162 - 12/14/08 06:38 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Phaethon]
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I disagree with you going to church for your parents benefit. I can understand being close to your parents, but if you don't like going then don't. I think it comes down to doing what YOU want. Parents or not, my point is to never accept things for what they are. CHANGE THEM TO YOUR LIKING. A talented satanist knows thats possible and does that in every aspect of their life.
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#16171 - 12/14/08 12:18 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: SevenDeadlySins]
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I really don't think there is any such thing as a 'teen Satanist' if the 'Satanist' in question still lives with mommy and daddy.

Doing what YOU want is all well and good, until it crosses the real authority..the one that is responsible for feeding/clothing/providing for you. If you truly feel 'oppressed' by your parents...move out. Stop being ungrateful for what they give you and provide for yourself. Only once you can carry your own weight can you really consider being your own god.

The sentiment of entitlement that comes from many young people today, that carries over into adulthood, is a sickening and downright damaging meme. What about merit? Responsibility to the responsible? Rebellion is a privilege not a right.
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#16188 - 12/14/08 09:03 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I'm still in college, but thanks to the scholarships and added up years of minimum-wage hell, I am "technically" financially self-dependent (but of course, I know my parents would help me out if I ever needed it, so I can't call myself truly independent knowing there's a safety net under me).

So one day when I'm visiting home my parents see the Satanic Bible in my bag (which I had just bought), and they completely flip out- especially when I try to defend it (I'm a bit too argumentative for my own good). I don't want to get too deep into it, but being Catholic, they were devastated and actually started questioning my mental health. So I realized I could salvage no victory, and there was no purpose in alienating my parents simply out of my desire to be right, so I backed off and now they think it's just some college-induced psuedointellectual phase I passed through.

Needless to say I am grateful to my parents, and Satanism was never about rebellion towards them. I don't care what they think my religion is- I don't need the opinion of others to validate my own beliefs.


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#17253 - 12/31/08 12:20 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Diavolo]
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I'm 14 and I have been a Satanist for 4 years. You should only be a Satanist as a child if you can understand.
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#17258 - 12/31/08 12:40 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Chey]
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Which you clearly couldn't at age 10. Just a few years prior to that you were still sucking on your mother's tit. Go play your Xbox and read your comic books.
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#17266 - 12/31/08 01:02 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: fakepropht]
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'True Satanists are born Satanists.' (LaVey, SPEAK OF THE DEVIL) Shame on you, fakeprophet.
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#17284 - 12/31/08 03:18 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: paolo sette]
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There's no reason to cite that quote; we've all heard it a million times.

Besides, we're talking about somebody whose balls probably just dropped last week.

Yes, Satanists have been Satanists all their life. But to identify yourself as a Satanist requires a degree of practical life experience, introspection, and research, that is simply ridiculous to obtain below 16-17 at the very least. How a ten-year-old could possibly be worldly, resolute and decisive enough to know he's a born Satanist is beyond me.
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#17286 - 12/31/08 03:28 AM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: The Zebu]
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If you knew how many "Satanists" I've known at 16-17 that are now something totally different, it might bewilder you... and each KNEW they were a Satanist. Each KNEW they were going to be the next High Priest.

Satanists ARE born that way. But just because someone thinks that they were, doesn't mean that they ARE.

We all want to be rich... we all think we're born to be. But if you're still digging that ditch and damning the fates that put you there when you're 45, chances are you might have been mistaken.
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#18615 - 01/22/09 03:02 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: paolo sette]
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Loc: Germany
 Originally Posted By: paolo sette
'True Satanists are born Satanists.' (LaVey, SPEAK OF THE DEVIL) Shame on you, fakeprophet.


Right. As I was a child, I was special in school. My classmates did throw some things to me, because they didn't like me. The reason for that was my old mobil phone or my dislike to some "cool" clothes.
I looked like a gothic because I liked the gothic music at this time as well. But I didn't call myself as a gothic.
I listened to Blutengel throw my walkman.

I during this time didn't know about Satanism. I hadn't any interests in it. I thought, Satanism is about sacrificing animals or taking drugs.

As I start the "Gymnasium" (sorry for the german word, I can't find the english one. It is the highest skilled school), I began to think, that there must be something more than the christian propaganda. I start to get stuff about another religions I did find in searching engines. All this was the same to me. Some days later I watched a reportage about "Satanism" (the one that sacrifices etc.) and I read something in the inetrnet just for fun and I was astonished about that it isn't that, that I've seen in television.

On further inetresting, I bought the Satanic Bible and did read it... At this time I awaked and I'm sure, who I am... a satanist :).

btw: I don't do gothic things anymore, because I changed to metal music. \:D

Greetings, Franky666
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!!!Hail Satan!!!
Sorry about my bad English, I'm trying not to make any mistakes in grammar.

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#19769 - 02/06/09 02:16 PM Re: Teen Satanists [Re: Franky 666]
joseph oreilly Offline
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Would you get less or more if society didn't comercailise it or perhaps oppressed it? To be honest the most satanic thing to do would be to betray the satanists if they were persecuted probably why most magor religions in the last 100,000 years were always full of strife.
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