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#149 - 09/06/07 12:24 PM Politics and the economy.
woreloque Offline
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What is YOUR outlook for the economy in relation to the candidates for President and the effects of China on our economy?
There seems to be a parade of political appointees trying to convince that there is nothing really wrong with the domestic economy (US). Are politics truly being displaced by corporate dominance over society?

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#151 - 09/06/07 01:49 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: woreloque]
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Yes... we are fascists.

China just seems to do a better job. As for the "tainted" imports - I am just a little skeptical on their origin.
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#160 - 09/07/07 01:20 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: daevid777]
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The issue of China and the US economy seems to be playing second fiddle to the problems of illegal immigration and the conflict in Iraq; I don't think there are any candidates ready to tackle the China Question so early, but the issue might very well come up later in the presidential race. We're only in the primaries, are we not?
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#440 - 09/18/07 02:04 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: ballbreaker]
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My thought is that the economy is diseased, or very soon will be.

The china thing, and any other media extravaganzas are only there to distract us from the theft going on around us. Most factories are overseas and the middle class is dying at an alarming rate. The banks are in desperate trouble and home foreclosures are epidemic.

No president can fix this. This was done by design in order to force a change. A new AmeriKa with a new curacy, an uneducated, transient workforce, and an enforcement force.

On the old board I had a link to one of Bushes "state of the union" addresses in which he talked about forming a "volunteer" army of indentured workers that would be sent to foreign countries to rebuild and provide support.

Now, several years later, that statement makes sense. When the dollar becomes worthless and the economy collapses, service industry jobs will disappear. The masses of unemployed people will find this volunteer slavery to be a godsend.

Schools graduating illiterate students only makes sense if you never intended for them to do more than push a shovel. I am completely convinced that this has been planned for a very long time.

Chris

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#4424 - 02/21/08 01:46 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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"On the old board I had a link to one of Bushes "state of the union" addresses in which he talked about forming a "volunteer" army of indentured workers that would be sent to foreign countries to rebuild and provide support.
Now, several years later, that statement makes sense. When the dollar becomes worthless and the economy collapses, service industry jobs will disappear. The masses of unemployed people will find this volunteer slavery to be a godsend."

The above reminds me of stories of the Depression Era with the Civilian Conservation Corps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
This may be a case of history repeating itself this time on a global scale.

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#4589 - 02/27/08 04:10 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: MCSA TEK]
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 Originally Posted By: MCSA TEK
My vote will be for Ron Paul. Although he cant win.

I also voted for Ron Paul in the primaries, but was very disappointed to see how poorly he did overall. He is one of the only candidates with a realistic approach to economics, and his Libertarian views are as close to Satanic as you can get.

I think the economy will recover if a Democrat takes office. If John McCain takes office, we can pretty much kiss our economy goodbye. A continued war in Iraq (regardless of the rationalization behind it) will drain our nation's resources and leave all but the richest Americans in precarious financial situations. There are no if, ands, or buts about it.

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#4868 - 03/06/08 09:20 AM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: Jeseth]
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 Originally Posted By: Jeseth
 Originally Posted By: MCSA TEK
My vote will be for Ron Paul. Although he cant win.

I also voted for Ron Paul in the primaries, but was very disappointed to see how poorly he did overall. He is one of the only candidates with a realistic approach to economics, and his Libertarian views are as close to Satanic as you can get.

I think the economy will recover if a Democrat takes office. If John McCain takes office, we can pretty much kiss our economy goodbye. A continued war in Iraq (regardless of the rationalization behind it) will drain our nation's resources and leave all but the richest Americans in precarious financial situations. There are no if, ands, or buts about it.



I agree with you Jes, but there is no way the ''stablishment'' will let Ron Paul be prez. The guy wants to get rid of taxes?

I think in my opinion that large corporations have always had a large influence on the government thru lobbies, and thru senators and congressmen that own large shares and stock in these corporations. I'm not saying its a conspiracy thoe.

As for China, they're kicking our asses. in 10 years they will have a bigger and better highway system; anybody who has money is putting it into chinese corporations; we're borrowing millions from them daily to fund this war. It seems that as China grows more, we (USA) all going to hell in a hand basket.

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#7188 - 04/04/08 04:10 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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It is appearing to me that the economy is in worse condition then I thought it was. a few months ago I was in favor of Obama, and Hillary, until I notist that there voting record in congress was the exact opposit of what they were saying in there campaigns. MaCane I think will be another Bush. So it looks like I'll be voting for Ralph Nader.
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#7191 - 04/04/08 04:49 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: JakeShill]
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 Originally Posted By: JakeShill
So it looks like I'll be voting for Ralph Nader.


Ralph Nader!? You mean the Green party?
Thats like pushing an elephant that doesn't want to move up hill. It's a waste of energy to contribute to a cause or anything that will obviously not have any real affect in the real world.

Its more productive to pick either, Obama, Hilary, or McCain based on points of commonality and agreements you share with them.

Ralph Nader, lol, you might as well vote for Ron Paul or Ross Perot. Maybe in a decade, when our world has gone to shit and the mob begins to see things in a Green way your vote for nader will be productive; but not now.

Just don't vote for Hilary please. The last thing we need in the oval office is a post-menopausal lady who was weak enough to take her husband back for cheating...

I mean, what if Bin Laden came to President Hilary one day 2 years from now and said - 'hay Hilary, you know those two towers, sorry about that, i was just thinking about it, i feel like an idiot, friend?'

K


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (04/04/08 04:50 PM)
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#8026 - 04/20/08 03:00 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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China is not participating in free trade, instead manipulating its currency, subsidizing exporters, and generally engaging in unfair trade practices. The US, on the other hand, deserves what it gets for remaining inside the WTO, NAFTA, and GATT.

This freshman engineering student has had to do multi-continental networking since he does not want to be taxed to death to finance all these welfare-state entitlements...no way I will be denied a return on my investment of tuition, and time.

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#8031 - 04/20/08 09:20 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: Cipher Highwind]
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The last thing we need in the oval office is a post-menopausal lady


What exactly does 'post menopausal' have to do with anything?

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I mean, what if Bin Laden came to President Hilary one day 2 years from now and said - 'hay Hilary, you know those two towers, sorry about that, i was just thinking about it, i feel like an idiot, friend?'


Oh please, that's the most ridiculous piece of propergander I've ever heard.

It looks to me, like Hilary not leaving Bill was a very smart move. She didn't let her emotions get in the way of her goals. If you think it was a weak move to keep her marriage together after infidelity, then you really have no idea of how tough marriage really is.


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Edited by ZephyrGirl (04/20/08 09:24 PM)
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#8399 - 05/05/08 07:05 AM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries. He's the only candidate that seems to have a grasp of what the true problems are. I'm a registered Republican, but ashamed of the party the last few elections. I'm more of a Constitutionalist than a Neo-con. It'll pain me to have to vote for McCain but he's still better than the other options.

As far as Hillary, it's a matter of self respect. You forget, her husband did this more than once. I'm married and you know what? Marriage is what you make it. If someone's marriage is tough, then deal with it or get a divorce. I will never have respect for infidelity and it's pathetic to make excuses for it. If someone can't handle the rigors of what a marriage entails, don't do it! End of story.

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#8414 - 05/05/08 09:04 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: SatanicCSG]
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I don't forget that her husband did this more than once. Who is to say what Hilary is willing to turn a blind eye to? It is after all HER marriage. And whilst I too, do not except infidelity within my relationships, it isn't exactly a pre-requisite of marriage. Each to their own.

Her choosing to keep the marriage going, has enabled her to be running for Presidant. It would take an aweful lot to convince me that she would still be where she is politically if they were divorced. And I actually think that BC will make a great First Gentlemen (if that's not the term you know what I mean).

Lets face it, he is charismatic and charming, two of the most important character needs of the First Spouse.

I'm not saying that I think Hilary should be president, so don't misunderstand this post either. But I think it's wrong of you to assume that she doesn't have self respect because she choose to continue with her marriage instead of divorcing.

I also disagree with your remark about not getting married if you can't handle the rigors of what it entails.

Why not? I think marriage and divorce like any other happiness or hurdle in life are learning experiences. There is a time to grow and a time to go and they will be completely different for each person on this earth.

You black and white views my be right for you, but they are not going to be right for everyone.

Zeph
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#8416 - 05/05/08 10:02 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC

I'm learning Chinese.


Looks like I've gotten a bit of a headstart. ;D

But in all seriousness I regret the fact that I have to say, I don't know who to vote for. I haven't had much time for politics lately but what I have been seeing, hasn't been so good.

I have however, been paying attention to what some of the OTHER countries have been doing. China has been doing amazing given the improvement seen in such a short time. There nation is doing quite well and I'm find myself curious to see what lies in it's future. There social structure and general attitude, and as well technological advances will I'm sure, be something of awe soon enough. Considering the fact that China was a country we as a "higher class" nation laughed at for the longest time, I find it ironic in the least that we are the ones digging our own holes, whilst China sits aside, grows, and laughs at us. I don't know about you guys, but I am definetly teaching my children Chinese.

I see catastrophe; and China being a country coming out on top. But I'm also interested in seeing how there immense population will play a role in there developement and there future. I'm guessing it could either make them or break them. I guess we will see.

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#8417 - 05/05/08 10:03 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I don't see any correlation between getting married and accepting infidelity because the marriage isn't where it's meant to be. That's just a cop out. My point about not being able to handle the rigors of marriage is clearly pointing to infidelity. Why even get married then if it's something that's beyond one's capacity? It seems unnecessary. If people used their common sense more, then perhaps these incidents wouldn't occur as much. It took me 31 years to finally decide to get married and I was wise enough to wait until I knew it was the appropriate time and I had most of my capricious behavior out of me. Perhaps people shouldn't make such irrational decisions just to be accepted by societies norms.

Hillary, on the other hand, lacks that common sense. It's apparent in her political stand and her personal choices. I wouldn't want to spend my life with someone who would constantly put me in a position to make such choices. It's apparent she has only one thing on her mind and if that is enough to forsake her decency, then she isn't someone I'd want running my country.

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