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#8422 - 05/06/08 01:23 AM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: SatanicCSG]
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Why even get married then if it's something that's beyond one's capacity? It seems unnecessary.


Can you honestly tell me that you can't see any benefit to a man that has the propensity to be unfaithful, in getting married? Marriage provides huge benefits to men. The nubmer one being that married men live longer even if they are in a bad or unhappy marriage.

What you want isn't in question. But saying what you want is what she wants is guesswork at best.

Why does forgiving someone their infidelity mean that you have foresaken your decency? Moving forward with a marriage after infidelity is alot harder and takes more work and dedication then simply getting a divorce.

IMO,

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#8450 - 05/06/08 11:04 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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All my opinion of course....

It was a marriage of convenience. Both had early political aspirations. He was the charismatic, leadership type. She was the ride the coat tails, woman in charge in the closet type. She fed him agenda, he pushed it through with his charm and charisma. It's a marriage on paper only. Even their kid shills for them(her). This marriage was nothing more than each person seeing the bigger picture and grasping at political gain. No wonder Bill had to go outside the marriage for a little nookie. Seriously, she is as cold as ice. Besides, how could you, as a man, get turned on having those cow ankles wrapped around your head while "making the beast"? Ack. I have never logged a vote for a Clinton, and I never will.

If you as an American feel China is ahead of us in the game politically, well then by all means cast your vote for Hillary. You will see Socialism applied to our political process. Enjoy smoking, drinking, owning a gun, eating a Big Mac? Not on Hillary's watch. Like a little sodium in your food? Her socialized health care program would penalize those that aren't in perfect health and partake of only the strictest of health regimens. After all, we the people pay for you to eat that artery clogging Big Mac, or own that gun. Which statiscally is used in crimes against known persons more so than against total strangers. So when you need to get some meds for your high cholestoral, there will be no co-pay. It all comes out of your back pocket. They will run a list of all registered gun owners and jack up policy rates for them. The list will go on.
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#8461 - 05/07/08 07:06 AM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Can you honestly tell me that you can't see any benefit to a man that has the propensity to be unfaithful, in getting married? Marriage provides huge benefits to men. The nubmer one being that married men live longer even if they are in a bad or unhappy marriage.

What you want isn't in question. But saying what you want is what she wants is guesswork at best.

Why does forgiving someone their infidelity mean that you have foresaken your decency? Moving forward with a marriage after infidelity is alot harder and takes more work and dedication then simply getting a divorce.

IMO,

Zeph


I do see the benefits of marriage leaning more towards the masculine side. One would have to be blind not to. My problem is that I find it immoral and pointless...in my opinion of course. I guess I'm more conservative when it comes to marriage and think that one should always be faithful no matter what the circumstances and without laying justification for deviance.

As far as forgiveness, I am not an easily forgiving person. So I just can't see how someone would want to be a part of something so untrusting. Some people say forgiveness makes a marriage stronger. I say having to forgive something so drastic as infidelity makes the marriage weaker. Someone is losing out as result of the situation and to me it's just unnecessary.

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#8462 - 05/07/08 07:23 AM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: SatanicCSG]
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To be honest SatanicCSG, the only reason I even made a comment in this thread, was because I couldn't ignore the terrible reasons Luciferific gave for not voting for Hilary. I didn't think they had any place in a realistic and intelligent political discussion and were just trying to push peoples buttons. I much prefer FakePropht's, whether I agree with them or not, at least they are serious points, not just attacking someone for their life stage and marriage.

I'm not an easily forgiving person either, but I have seen for a few years now, that that actually might be to my detriment. I guess I'm trying to look at everything from as many different perspectives as possible and question my usual responses to ethical questions. After all, it's all about questioning or inner status quo, no?

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#8463 - 05/07/08 12:14 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
To be honest SatanicCSG, the only reason I even made a comment in this thread, was because I couldn't ignore the terrible reasons Luciferific gave for not voting for Hilary. I didn't think they had any place in a realistic and intelligent political discussion and were just trying to push peoples buttons. I much prefer FakePropht's, whether I agree with them or not, at least they are serious points, not just attacking someone for their life stage and marriage.

I'm not an easily forgiving person either, but I have seen for a few years now, that that actually might be to my detriment. I guess I'm trying to look at everything from as many different perspectives as possible and question my usual responses to ethical questions. After all, it's all about questioning or inner status quo, no?

Zeph


I always question my inner status quo. There won't be much improvement if one is always content with mediocrity. \:\)

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#8491 - 05/07/08 10:16 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: SatanicCSG]
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Commitment issues? How long it takes someone to get marries has no relation as to how well the marriage will actually turn out. I don't favour Hilary but no one is perfect. Everyone makes mistakes, it just happens that humans in generla have nothing better to do then publisize the mistakes of this person..

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#8518 - 05/08/08 06:46 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: woreloque]
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So, you guys are mooning over the glorious accomplishments of the Chinese? What accomplishments? I don't see any. All I see is a third-world Communist, totalitarian dictatorship and regime being perpetuated by the dead "legacy" of Mao Zedong. I suggest you guys actually research what China actually IS and HAS, and juxtapose that against what the United States really IS and HAS. Once you do that, then you'll find out that China doesn't even make a freckle on the United States' ass. China is in the Dark Ages compared to the United States, as are most countries. Is our economy perfect? No. Is the Chinese economy perfect? Definitely not! They don't even have an economy once you compare ours to theirs. When I look at China, I see nothing but an example of everything that shouldn't be done.

Like most States like that, the only reason that they've been able to perpetuate themselves this long and continue to function is because they're able to loot, mooch, blackmail, extort, pirate, commit trafficking, and just generally operate on a State-mafia level. All would have to be done is to no longer allow China and those types to continue to commit these crimes. "Evil" cannot exist unless you let it. We need to simply not allow it to exist. Every time we "help" these people it's nothing except handing our guns to our enemies and disarming ourselves.

For us, what we need is a complete separation of State and economy, and any other talk except that is simply superficial and a waste of time. We need an end to welfare, an end to mandatory taxes, an end to redistribution of the wealth, an end to Social Security, and so on. The Judaic-Christian twin of "Democracy" must be thoroughly eradicated, along with its symptoms of which are signs of this deadly, terminal disease. No more being our brothers' keepers, no more egalitarianism, no more altruism, and no more "for the sake of the common good." Traditions must cease, skepticism must die, "morals" must desist, and socialisms, collectivizations, and also any forms of totalitarianisms and all the rest must be vanquished. The non-essential, inconsequential, and completely worthless and useless hairsplittings and "Big Thinks" and triangulations known as the liberalisms in all of its forms, conservatisms, neo-conservatisms, and all the rest of the day-to-day politics, affiliations, and dross ideologies of make-believing distractions must become foregone.

The biggest problem with the United States is that it isn't Capitalist, despite the claims to the contrary. It isn't Capitalist. To claim otherwise is simply to claim ignorance or simply the use of lies. We have a mixed economy, not a Capitalist one. It's simply socialism and a faint "glimmer" of "capitalism", not Capitalism. It's just simply socialism with window-dressing.

We need a truly free market.

You know, as long as people keep trying to "fix" things by introducing more of the same, which would be more socialism, and more government, then it's only going to break more and more. Take health care for example, there used to be a time when health care in the United States was perfectly fine. What happened? More socialism and more government, that's what happened. Health care used to be a free market commodity, and was available in the exact same way that food and clothes are available today. It was a "problem" that didn't need "fixed."

Everything needs to be privatized, except the military, law enforcement, and the courts (everything else is ejected).

All I feel like saying at the moment about that.

Oh, except this - that the only purpose for government is to protect its citizens from physical force, and the initiation of physical force. The government has NO OTHER purpose - period.

Read this (a bit dated of an article now, but still just as applicable): http://www.forbes.com/2008/02/14/yaron-economy-regulation-oped-cx_ybr_0214yaron.html

Now, you might also want to take note that China is the ultimate evolution of government intervention (in all aspects of life, not just economic), and it's the path we slowly progress toward. We need to be going in the OPPOSITE direction.

Now, on illegal immigration. There should be no such thing as "illegal" immigration in the first place. Everyone should be allowed to freely come into the United States as fast as possible and limitlessly, and we need to make it easier, faster, and more accessible for them to do so. They do, of course, need to know English and all of that, however. The only exceptions for people - reasons why they would be denied immigration, besides not knowing English, would be if they carry a disease or if they've been convicted of a crime, and also there must be an exclusion of terrorists. Anyone who tries to sneak across the border and evade the simple process of learning English and getting a background check and tested for disease must be executed on the spot the moment their foot crosses the border, in order to protect the United States and its citizens from such persons.

The more immigration we have then the more people that we have, and the more people that we have the more production that we have, and the more production that we have, then the more the standards of living go up.

And now, concerning the Clintons.

The first thing I'd like to recommend you all read is No One Left To Lie To: The Values of the Worst Family by Christopher Hitchens. It's the only look at the Clintons that one need.

In any case. Bill Clinton - what is he? A liar and a rapist, for starters. A disbarred lawyer. A pardoner of radical terrorists who killed innocent people. An all-around career criminal, political opportunist, confidence man, huckster, and a man of no conscious, no inner voice, no personality, of no consequence, and someone who has never had anything good to offer either in terms of ideas or in contributions. Everything he and his wife touches turns to shit. They have the shit touch. His wife is his partner-in-crime, his female Himmler. Everything she says is a lie, everything she says after that lie contradicts that lie, and so on, she's a master orchestrator of everything Orwellian, fraudulent, and disgusting. She's just a plain nasty person. This woman must be stopped from becoming President at all costs - even if it means putting Barack Obama in office, which would still be fairly bad, but not as bad.






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#8559 - 05/09/08 08:09 PM Re: Politics and the economy. [Re: Xaulamyn]
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Once again, why did you change and your name, and where is your 352 number bit.

Its kinda silly we all know who your are and your pathic games are sad. One of these days someone is going to knock on your door and ask you to stop being such an asshole.....

Your school project should be over by now. Unless you failed the class and have to take it over again..

Besides, from your writings your not even american born, and your parents dont even speak english clearly.

America was founded by outlaws, prostuitues, religious zelots, and other criminals who had nothing to lose. It was a place to go for those who had nothing else to lose. American could make you rich or kill you in the process. In 300 years nothing has changed.

China and other countries have a longer history and tradition. To downplay their accomplishments since ww2 is stupid. At this point, you just look stupid with your one thin view of what is going on in the world and this country today.

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