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#14915 - 11/27/08 12:12 AM Views on Juggaloism
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I wanted to make a thread regarding what the people here at the 600 club thought about Juggaloes. I believe that there are more intelligent and open minded people here than those I meet in day to day life. If you don't know what a juggalo is, then there isn't much of a need for you to state your opinion.

I want to hear people's views and questions regarding juggaloes, as well as anything else you wish to say. I'm not one to restrict speech.
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#14921 - 11/27/08 05:55 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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First off, this thread doesn't deserve a reply, but as I'm so incredibly disgusted with your question, I'll answer.

Anyone who bases their social standing and actions on doctrine from a musical group is WASTING THEIR LIFE. "Juggaloes" are exactly the same as burn-out Deadheads, bro-core-posi-Phish Phans, and other sycophantic throngs of youngsters who can't think without a celebrity to tell them how.

You now have my opinion, although I'm sure you'll retort by saying that I just don't get it. Be a music fan, not a sycophant.
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#14926 - 11/27/08 11:22 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Octavius]
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Some may base their life on what ICP says, but that's not always the case.
You don't even need to like ICP or even listen to them to be a juggalo. Its supposed to be more of a mindset, a family of (usually) common views like a hate for bigotry.

But by no means are ICP supposed to be telling people what to do. There are alot of people like that, who follows every word they say, but that's the burden of there being no definition to being a juggalo.
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#14932 - 11/27/08 02:42 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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You don't even need to like ICP or even listen to them to be a juggalo. Its supposed to be more of a mindset, a family of (usually) common views like a hate for bigotry.


So they're hippies or what? It seems like it doesn't matter too much what ya do, as long as you call yourself a juggalo -djeez serious what a label- you're one. Why you wanna be a member of a club that accept everyone?

And what is so damn wrong with being a bigot?

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#14975 - 11/27/08 11:23 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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Octavius said it well when he said this post did not deserve a response, but in doing so he responded to this thread... So much for that...

I passed over this thread once but seeing it has passed before my eyes again I will give you my opinion...

 Originally Posted By: Phaethon
but that's the burden of there being no definition to being a juggalo.

There are plenty of definitions of juggalo on the internet... Try Google...

Any burden you carry calling yourself a juggalo is a self imposed burden...

Seems like a fuzzy, warm, feel good, look even though I'm strange I am accepted, load of shit... Simply put yet another title, this one born for those feeling they do not fit other pre-existing titles... What comes to mind are titles like GOTH, EMO, JOCK... Seriously past high school what benefits do such titles bring?

Good luck on your path...

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#14979 - 11/28/08 12:00 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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i am under the impression that a juggalo is a suburban white kid that acts black?
dont they wear big pants and say "yo dawg funky fresh in da hizouse can i get a what what"?
no offense to anyone, but Ive tattooed a few of them, and they all kind of had issues with bathing, proper english, and coming up with money.
not very unique, and not really my crowd.

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#15135 - 11/29/08 10:18 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

Seems like a fuzzy, warm, feel good, look even though I'm strange I am accepted, load of shit... Simply put yet another title, this one born for those feeling they do not fit other pre-existing titles... What comes to mind are titles like GOTH, EMO, JOCK... Seriously past high school what benefits do such titles bring?

Although there often is a stereotype associated with being a juggalo, there isn't always. All in all the only benefits I can see are the warm fuzzy feeling and a common string to tie you together with others.
And no Bacchae, they don't always act black (or urban as you most likely meant). ICP was raised in Detroit in the ghettos, so that's the kind of culture they adapted. It appealed mostly to white suburban kids because it want an imitation of other rappers at the time. So it wasn't like they were being wiggers by listening to it. Every juggalo has their own story, though many of them can be stereotyped, that's not always the case.
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#15137 - 11/29/08 10:34 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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I work for a concert production company and one of the shows I had to work was ICP. They were a bunch of whiny bitches who threatened to cancel the show when my boss said he wouldn't pay them more that they had agreed upon in the contract to do the show. They then threatened to start a riot. Fuck ICP.

Secondly all the juggalos I've met are a bunch of wanna be gang bangers who think they are the toughest shit out there. I met quite a few of them while in Sacramento and they were some of the most annyoing people I ever had the displeasure of meeting.

They might have been funny years ago, but it is time this fad came to an end.
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#15139 - 11/29/08 10:45 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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I had a Juggalo kid come into the store today. He was, by far, the most disrespectful little fucknugget I've had the misfortune of coming across this week. If he's any representation of "Juggalo Culture" you can all go fuck yourselves.

I work in a music store. We sell musical instruments. I usually work the high-end acoustic and classical guitars room. This little shit came in and played guitars worth thousands with his KFC-laced fingers while shredding strings, and bumping them on and off the wall-hooks, then went and broke several strings on one of my most expensive classicals because he took a heavy-gauge pick to nylon strings.

He was wearing a leather jacket with zippers and a pair of those goddamned metal-snot-pants with buckles all over. Number one, all jackets come off when handling the instruments. He whined like a baby when I told him to take off his jacket and chains. When I told him that nylon strings are not to be played with a pick, he slammed a chord and popped half the strings in defiance while shouting "asshole" at me.

I grabbed his coat and chains and escorted him out of the store as all the while he spat expletives at me. He yelled to see the manager, and when I told him I was the manager, he called me a fascist. I laughed at him as I literally threw him on his ass outside the store with explicit instructions not to return. He pointed at his T-shirt (which has the same icon on it as our friend Phaeton) and shouted "Juggalo mutherfucker!"

Whatever.
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#15141 - 11/29/08 10:58 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Octavius]
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It figures that a juggalo would do that to a guitar. By being a fan of ICP they have already proven to know absolutely nothing about music. I'm suprised you let this kid touch anything. If I worked in a music store I would immediately ban anyone who came in wearing ICP merchandise. Dipshits like that can stick to guitar queero.
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#15142 - 11/29/08 11:09 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Octavius]
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my heart goes out to you, and all GC babysitters.
stopped in there yesterday for a blank nut, and I lasted about 5 minutes before fleeing.
of course black friday probably wasnt the best day to go

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#15145 - 11/30/08 04:35 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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The word 'Juggalo' doesn't really seem to have a coherent meaning. Why would one want to use a label for themselves that doesn't really describe anything?

Seems a bit pointless to me.
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#15160 - 11/30/08 11:47 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Dan_Dread]
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He pointed at his T-shirt (which has the same icon on it as our friend Phaeton) and shouted "Juggalo mutherfucker!"

What an idiot.. you really should have kept him within the shop and called the brats mommy to ask her for paying her sons actions wich led of violating some of the instruments. Much funnier and you'll see his toughness disappear.

Apologies for going a bit off-topic now..
But octavius, you have a music shop... Quite interesting. Are you also doing international shipments? I'm bit searching for a new guitar..

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The word 'Juggalo' doesn't really seem to have a coherent meaning. Why would one want to use a label for themselves that doesn't really describe anything?

Well, you must know most labels doesn't really have a coherent meaning. And if they have it is quite obviously it is something made-up to give it some "cachet"(word for saying: "to make it more exquise").

Now about Juggalo's, I don't know much about them. Only heard it mentioned a time or 2. But as far as I'm concerned it is just some idiot fashion idea. Most will disagree but in modern time every fashionstyle has become a "lifestyle". Don't mind, don't care as long as I'm not being bothered with it. Everyone wants to be unique so they copy others who are trying to be unique but who aren't.
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#15171 - 11/30/08 02:21 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Dimitri]
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I cannot believe this is actually a thread, but it is illustrative of the sorts of idiots show up here when school is out.

Since all of these threads should be somewhat instructive, I think we should use this as a learning point.

A juggalo is a colloquial term for the soda (or 'pop' in Michigan) brand "Faygo" made by a small Detroit bottler. As near as anyone can tell, 'juggalo' was Detroit slang for a 3L bottle of this stuff. Faygo is found mostly in the central part of the country in nearly any ghetto convenience store and is sold for much less than any national brand pop. In the ghetto, it is a cheap source of carbohydrates and used as a mixer for your 'knottyhead.'

ICP seems like group of authentic guys doing a unique sort of act. In their early days, their act was based on the nonsense and insanity they grew up with in a decaying Detroit.

However, most of their fans are your typical suburban white kids who think acting 'black' is cool. Mostly this stems from a lack of strong white male role models in popular culture. Young whites today have no strong male role models to pattern their behavior after. Nor, do they feel that they belong to in particular social group. Enter the Juggalo Nation. Here they now have a place they can fit in to, with people who are just as lost as they are.

The only up side to this Juggalo nonsense is that they may get just one less fewer ass kicking from the other kids.
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#15190 - 11/30/08 05:57 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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First off there is no "E" in the word "Juggalos". If you can't even spell it you give yourself away thet you're a fake-ass poser.

Second a Juggalo wouldn't try to validate himself on a Satanic board.

Third your post was a blatant cry for attention. You found a little bit of ICP online, thought it was funny then found a Satanic board and made a post.

Fourth you make those of us that are real Juggalos look like asses.

To sum it all up: GROW THE FUCK UP PHAETHON!


Now a little extra bit of info to dissuade the typical idea of a Juggalo. It should be obvious by now that I am proud to admit that I'm a Juggalo. But I'm not your typical wannabe-black asshole drugged out loser. I have culture. I read Shakespeare. I have seen the Nutcracker twice and Phantom of the Opera numerous times. I study philosophy. I'm learning electric guitar and bass. And as for music I listen to everything from classical to country to all forms of metal to ICP and others. So don't be so quick to judge all of us.
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#15192 - 11/30/08 06:53 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: The Blackangel]
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I read Shakespeare. I have seen the Nutcracker twice and Phantom of the Opera numerous times.


Pearls before swine....

Why would anyone here feel the need to self-identify as a member of fad based group of fanboys?

Never the less, enlighten us. What is a true Juggalo?
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#15195 - 11/30/08 07:10 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: The Blackangel]
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I needed a laugh...

 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
First off there is no "E" in the word "Juggalos". If you can't even spell it you give yourself away thet you're a fake-ass poser.

Oh what a treasure a Juggalo calling another a poser over "one" misspelling...

 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
Second a Juggalo wouldn't try to validate himself on a Satanic board.

Could you point me to anything to back up your statement? Like the 9 Juggalo statements or 11 juggalo rules of the earth? Now I could say a Satanist would not try to validate himself as a juggalo on this forum... But who am I to say that validation does not mean something to said Satanist? Do you dig it?

 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
Third your post was a blatant cry for attention. You found a little bit of ICP online, thought it was funny then found a Satanic board and made a post.

I just might think you are right on this one but then I have to say its also why you posted... You wanted to bring attention to yourself and your beliefs in being a juggalo... Pointing out that your way was the correct way...

 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
Fourth you make those of us that are real Juggalos look like asses.

Is that possible? My goodness this reminded me of Pigfeeder coming in here with a picture of himself as a girl, with all his I'm emo talk on his myspace, calling out themask saying he was gay and emo... Heh humorous if it wasn't so damn ignorant...

 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
Now a little extra bit of info to dissuade the typical idea of a Juggalo.

Oh good finally someone's going to shed some light on their beliefs... Tell me what is a REAL juggalo...

 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
It should be obvious by now that I am proud to admit that I'm a Juggalo. But I'm not your typical wannabe-black asshole drugged out loser. I have culture. I read Shakespeare. I have seen the Nutcracker twice and Phantom of the Opera numerous times. I study philosophy. I'm learning electric guitar and bass. And as for music I listen to everything from classical to country to all forms of metal to ICP and others. So don't be so quick to judge all of us.

Well I will admit I really didn't get shit out of that except your proud to call yourself juggalo... No different than any other person who feels the need to defend the title they give themselves... No different really than many Emos, Goths, dare I say Satanists...

Nothing new, nothing different, just a sign of the times I guess... Everything is just recycled garbage...

Thank You (for the laugh that is)

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#15196 - 11/30/08 07:11 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Fist]
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That's about like asking what is a true Satanist. Can you answer that? No offense but I don't think you can. But the I don't think anyone here could.


And to ta2zz:

laugh all you want. you have your ideals, i have mine. you dont give a shit about me i dont give a shit about you. so whats the point?
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#15197 - 11/30/08 07:29 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: The Blackangel]
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You might just want to throw in the towel on this one Blackangel. Seems you're not going to be taken any more seriously than the age on your profile.
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#15199 - 11/30/08 07:43 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: blsk]
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To the tune of Just a Gigalo by David Lee Roth

I'm just a Juggalo
And everywhere I go
People wonder what the hell I'm sayin'.
I sing and sometimes dance,
Wearing big ass pants,
Wherever ICP is playin'.
There may come a day,
When you'll hear me say
Faygo and beans just ain't for me,
Now everywhere I go
They say "Just a Juggalo,"
At least until they ground me.
'Cause I ain't got no hobby.
I spend my time and money on ICP.
No I ain't got no hobby.
Somebody... somebody please help me.
On Military street, where Juggalos they meet,
Sprayin' Faygo and cruisin,
We call each other names,
Playin' silly games,
Until someone gets a bruisin'.
And there may come a day
When I put ICP away. clean up my act 1, 2, 3
But until that day we know
They'll say just a Juggalo.
And write this song about me.
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#15202 - 11/30/08 08:09 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: The Blackangel]
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Just in a generalization, I've met many Juggalos/Juggalettes, and they are amongst some of the most rude, ignorant assholes I've ever met. I've never had a Maggot, Junkie, or Filthy boy/girl come up to me and be like, "If you don't like ICP you're a fuckin FREAK."

Uhm.....WHAT?!

I promptly pulled my conveniently located compact, opened it, and told them to take a good look, cause you're looking at the biggest fuckin FREAK I've ever seen.

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#15206 - 11/30/08 09:27 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Chelsea_Grin]
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So let me get this straight...

Juggies are a bunch of clown wiggers with bad attitudes that are named after a bottle of soda.



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#15207 - 11/30/08 09:33 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Morgan]
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No Juggies are the girls that used to dance at intermission during The Man Show. But Juggalo(e)s are, yes. lol;)


Edited by blsk (11/30/08 09:34 PM)
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#15216 - 12/01/08 01:07 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: blsk]
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 Originally Posted By: The Blackangel
And to ta2zz:

laugh all you want. you have your ideals, i have mine. you dont give a shit about me i dont give a shit about you. so whats the point?

Well you came here saying that you were a real juggalo, not a poser like Phaethon...

Now whether or not we give a shit about each other is trivial at this point in time... You posted your thoughts on this forum which leaves them open for debate... I simply pointed out that your goals were rather obviously the same you deemed bad and wrong for Phaethon... You resemble that which you lash out at... I thought you might have had something to say, as you yourself did when you first hit that submit button...

The fact that you had nothing to say as a response, proves you really had nothing to say... The whole what does it matter we do not give a shit about each other line is a cop-out... You make it look like a self titled juggalo looks for the easy way out...

There is a lesson here and you are right I really do not give a fuck if you get it or not... Somebody will...

Good luck on your path "juggalo"

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#15235 - 12/01/08 08:07 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: ta2zz]
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It seems to me that people who idolise ICP and proclaim to be "Juggalos" or "Juggalettes" tend to be pretty stupid. Fuck, I actually know someone who proclaims to be a "Juggalette", and she really is a moron. Why is it not surprising when I say she also claims to be a Satanist as well? Heheheh...

I haven't done much research into the whole Juggalo thing, so I'm gonna make a quick stab as to what the hell being a Juggalo or whatever is about;

Life is like a carnival, only much bleaker, and therefore, these Juggalos have to be the "evil" clowns to add some dark humour and fun into the equation.

Now, that was just a guess as to what the whole philosophy is (In a nut shell to boot...) concerning the whole "Juggalo" concept. Assuming I'm correct, of which I won't claim to be until I've either researched it (If I can be bothered...) or set straight, then all I can say to that is "each to their own", providing no-one gets hurt of course.

I think I'll stick to my own way of life, rather than being pretentious and thinking that life's a "dark carnival" or whatever.
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#15248 - 12/01/08 11:36 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: DistroyA]
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It seems to me that people who idolise ICP and proclaim to be "Juggalos" or "Juggalettes" tend to be pretty stupid.

You don't have to put it all on Juggallo's or other white trash. Every human who claims he is "the real deal" within his/her subculture is just plain stupid. And they make themselves look more like an ass if they are deciding who is and who isn't.

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That's about like asking what is a true Satanist. Can you answer that? No offense but I don't think you can. But the I don't think anyone here could.

Actually I can answer that part. And if you want to know what a true satanist is: ME. And I'm quite sure others here would have no problem for saying the same thing. Why? Easy, 'cause I have an healthy ego. But I'm not going to be plain stupid and say who is true or who isn't. I believe everyone can make up his mind for himself.

(And to avoid certain collisions: I will never say I'm a true satanist, I'll only say I comprehend the satanic Philosophy and live by it.)


Edited by Dimitri (12/01/08 11:39 AM)
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#15259 - 12/01/08 01:27 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Dimitri]
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I had to bring this discussion outside this thread, and I asked some people I know what their views on Juggalos/Juggalettes are. The general consensus was that if all ICP is is exploiting and overdoing redneck-ism, then what else is to be expected of their followers?

I just found this amusing :]

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#15264 - 12/01/08 01:46 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Jake999]
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Jake, there's something seriously wrong with you but I damn wish more people suffered it.

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#15287 - 12/01/08 07:40 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: The Blackangel]
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That's about like asking what is a true Satanist. Can you answer that? No offense but I don't think you can. But the I don't think anyone here could.


A valid question.

Read "Might Makes Right" by Ragnar Redbeard. If it affirms your current beliefs then you are most likely a Satanist and you were born that way. If you take issue with it then may I suggest looking into Wicca or Secular Humanism?
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#15298 - 12/01/08 08:46 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: The Blackangel]
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First of all, typo, oooh such a big deal
You made a typo too, does that mean you can't freaking speak English?

second I'm not trying to validate myself, It was an honest question. I simply wanted to know what people here though of juggalos.

Third, how is it a cry for attention? And Ive posted more on here then you have.

Fourth, it honestly doesn't seem like I'm the kind of juggalo making the rest of us look like asses.

But I'd rather not make this thread all about us.
You are actually the kind of juggalo I really like (no matter what you think about me).
You break stereotypes and prove the being a juggalo is about being an individual.


Harsh as you may be, I'm glad you posted in this little thread.
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#15303 - 12/01/08 10:35 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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 Originally Posted By: Phaethon
You are actually the kind of juggalo I really like (no matter what you think about me).
You break stereotypes and prove the being a juggalo is about being an individual.

Harsh as you may be, I'm glad you posted in this little thread.

Yes if these two are any indication of what a juggalo is then their all fucking idiots, there I said it...

This kid didn't do anything original or anything to prove he is an individual that stands out from the rest... In fact all he did was verbally bully you without saying anything... Calling you out without seeing the same flaws in himself... Proving common ignorance not commonsense or individualism...

But I guess juggalos have to stick by their own... Heh... Tucked your tail between your legs, just do not pee in the corner...

My vote is juggaloism cannot mix well with Satanism... A Satanist strives to better themselves, from everything I've read a juggalo is happy to be accepted even if only by other juggalos... Why don't people seem to grow the fuck up anymore?

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#15340 - 12/02/08 05:04 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: ta2zz]
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It all depends on how you see it.
Sadly, some people take ICP's every word like some sort of bible.
But there are benefits to being a juggalo. It is just a common thread that ties people together a bit more and lets them relate to each other more.

Point in case

first person here to talk to me was Ringmaster, a fellow juggalo.
Now juggalos don't always get along, but I still view the good to outweigh the bad.

I don't have a problem with what people say about me, I actually appreciate most of the posts here.


Shall we let this thread die?
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#15352 - 12/02/08 06:23 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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Excuse me?! I don't think that you understand shit. Yes I do listen to their music, yes I enjoy a lot of the artists from the same record label, but I don't live by the shit that these people say. I live my life to my standards not some music group. Also there is more I shall say to you but that shall be private.

Allow me to elaborate what I decided to leave out during our "conversation". I am called a juggalo by friends where I live. Do I consider myself a die hard fan? No. My friends tell me I have the don't give a fuck attitude. If that is what makes someone a juggalo then I guess that is their label for me. Do I agree with it? No simply for the fact that it is something that I disagree with what the views on life are, and the standards of living that I have seen most juggalos live by.
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#15356 - 12/02/08 06:53 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Ringmaster]
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As I just privately explained to ringmaster; I only mentioned his name just to illustrate the fact that he was the first one to contact me on here, because of our juggalo ties. I didn't mean for it to seem like anything else i said was directed at him.

My apologies for the miscommunication.
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#76530 - 05/21/13 11:33 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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 Originally Posted By: Phaethon
I wanted to make a thread regarding what the people here at the 600 club thought about Juggaloes. I believe that there are more intelligent and open minded people here than those I meet in day to day life. If you don't know what a juggalo is, then there isn't much of a need for you to state your opinion.

I want to hear people's views and questions regarding juggaloes, as well as anything else you wish to say. I'm not one to restrict speech.


I admit, I didn't know what the hell a Juggalo was until about 95', I hadn't had a lot of exposure to ICP because the music just didn't appeal to me. A close personal friend of my younger cousin styled himself a Juggalo and would often share music and insights with me, I often found the lyrics more appealing than the music itself. Back then, he was barely in High School. He was always over at my Aunt's house where I babysat her children, sort of like an adopted child. I watched him mature into a young man and was often invited to get-togethers at his home. Many turned into what I call 'Circus Parties'. All of his associates were Juggalos, and all those kids performed some kind of entertainment. Whether it be tossing Devil-Stix, Poi, Fire-spinning or acrobatics. They were a bunch of talented kids with artistic expression, but I noticed that nearly all of them had troubled home lives.

They all seemed to band together like a tight-nit social group that supported each other no matter what life dished out (many of them Floobs). They had their own honor code, and the took a lot of the ICP lyrics and philosophies to heart. It seemed to me, they were taking what they perceived as out of their hands (still being kids), and turning it on its head to lift themselves up and be something they could take pride in. The aesthetics and mannerisms may be something of an acquired taste, but I think they adopted it rather well and used it against what they saw as a system of control over their lives.

Flash-foward, I've not lost contact with this young man. He married and had his first child about a year ago. His wife is also a Juggalo. They were recently lamenting over how the Gatherings have lost their message, the feeling and the mentality of the next generation of Juggalos isn't at all what it used to be. They voiced that there was a lot of vandalism, trashing of venues and the overall-mentality has lots its appeal, it's not something they want to associate with any longer. Instead, they choose to gather the 'old crew' at social events and create their own gatherings of sorts (which usually involves Circus Parties). The camp of friends seems to be divided in how all these kids turned out in terms of growth and maturity. Many went on to be fairly successful in their education/careers while some never really made it out of the rut, they just got older. A couple of them weren't welcomed back to the 'Old Crew', they seemed to go on a downward spiral of drugs and crime.

Within 'Satanism' there's a particular group that I was in contact with for a time, and they seem to mirror that mentality of today's Juggalos my friend was speaking of. They seem to be involved in what they consider Social Terrorism. They make a lot of noise to gain attention but once they have it, there's not a whole lot going on there. These people are in their late 20's - early 30's. Seem to have similar back-stories in terms of up-bringing and what they were reveling against at the start (High School). In the last 4-5 years they seem to be in a perpetual state of opening/closing religious organizations that never really get off the ground. Some of it deals in the criminal record of the group's leader, but that seems to be a minor foot-note really, it's more so their behavior, content and Internet activity. If Evil Clowns Never Die, that circus act could use a bit of Necromancy, in my opinion.

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#76548 - 05/21/13 03:55 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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Five year old thread barely worth anything when it was written. Now 629 words later its worth even less as I now reread this crap.

Oh BTW from the OP's profile.

Last Online: 03/09/10 04:14 PM

I wouldn't hold my breath for a reply.
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#76550 - 05/21/13 04:03 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: ta2zz]
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Yeah, its an old thread but based on the viewing hits people still read old threads on the forum. I didn't necessarily expect a reply from this user, just adding my perspective and opinion to the discussion.
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#76564 - 05/22/13 07:59 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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I actually like that people bring up old threads - especially if the topicality has some relevance. However, Juggalos are have to be near the bottom of my Give a Shitlist. They place about even with hippies and only slightly above crackheads.

I am temped to lock this thread but I will leave it open if for no other reason than to be a moron honeypot.
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#76567 - 05/22/13 08:14 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Fist]
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Ok? I get that, I can't stand Black Metal or Black Metal artists and yet I understand that it may have some relevance to something, at some point, to someone. It showed up in topics being read from Anonymous users reading threads, and Google search hits. That's what brought the thread to my attention, Internet users are reading it.

I added to the thread due to its relevance of transmutation which is quite relevant to Satanic paradigms, in my opinion.

Take for instance my nickname, 'SIN'. In the same manner that authentic Juggalos take pride in their sense of self (such as the case with Floobs), I've managed to use that name as something to take pride in, and empower myself with.

Your statement implies that I tripped into the Moron honeypot like flies to shit.
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#89624 - 06/17/14 02:44 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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[General Reply]



I came across THIS on Cracked today.

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Widely mocked since they emerged in the 1990s, Juggalos have recently seen their reputation go downhill quicker than the career trajectory of someone with an ICP face tattoo. Ridicule increased after this adorably optimistic 2010 ICP video went viral, and in 2014 Juggalos were classified as a gang by the FBI. Society's animosity is not completely groundless: The yearly Juggalo music festival is a drug use free-for-all, and in 2010 fans injured a performer on stage by throwing rocks and urine-filled bottles at her. But for most people, Juggalo hate is less about righteous anger and more about making fun of adult men with bad teeth who wear clown makeup.



Comparatively, don't 'Satanists' go out of their way to be charitable, commit these so-called 'real world' deeds for the 'Satanic Community'? Such as, I dunno, make monuments and dispel misconceptions to Atheists or something like that? Own forums and Social Networks? Post on them so the 'good stuff' is out there in the ether *waves hands around*.

Some even appear on talk-shows for the purpose of cleaning up the image. *Gasp*

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A fund to support cancer research could be named "Fucking Cancer, How Does It Work?" A charity that works to prevent childhood hunger could be called "The Kids Need Faygo and Corn Dogs and Shit." Get on this stuff, guys.



The blogger's comment is more or less about the style in which the fans go about things they are passionate about. It doesn't matter if it's to pick up trash, or sponsor a toy-drive for kids. It's the styling that targets a particular audience.


The way I see it, it's not much different than Satanists promoting a book, film, piece of art, or what have you because they think it's worthy of promotion. The creator may be none-the-wiser for it but obviously reaps in the perks.

To say that it doesn't coalesce with Satanism isn't quite accurate If that individual person wants to do it for their own reasons, who gives a fuck what you think about it?

I've observed that many Satanists like ICP, whether it's for the music or the camaraderie. The personal views of the band members or even the lyrical values are transmuted into something they can use.
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#89626 - 06/17/14 04:59 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Comparatively, don't 'Satanists' go out of their way to be charitable, commit these so-called 'real world' deeds for the 'Satanic Community'? Such as, I dunno, make monuments and dispel misconceptions to Atheists or something like that? Own forums and Social Networks? Post on them so the 'good stuff' is out there in the ether *waves hands around*.

Some even appear on talk-shows for the purpose of cleaning up the image. *Gasp*

You're forgetting: starting e-zines, following media as soon as the dreaded "S"-word is spoken, keeping up with various blogs and other failed projects by which "creative outlets" are included.

There's a thing about calling pots and kettles being black.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
I've observed that many Satanists like ICP, whether it's for the music or the camaraderie.

I haven't. Probably has something to do with the people I choose to interact with.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
To say that it doesn't coalesce with Satanism isn't quite accurate If that individual person wants to do it for their own reasons, who gives a fuck what you think about it?

Indeed, to each their own. Why keep digging it if no fuck is ever given?


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#89627 - 06/17/14 05:08 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Dimitri]
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There's a thing about calling pots and kettles being black.


Your ability to completely miss the point is astounding Dimi. I'll continue to offer you ample opportunity to get 'it' off your chest.

By this stage, pretty blatantly obvious what 'it' is.
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#89629 - 06/17/14 06:20 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: The Blackangel]
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ICP were funny for about 5 mins when your 15, then I grew up.
As far as the fan worship they really don't do themselves any favors, In my experience adult juggalos can be described as obnoxious idiots who are condescending idiots who argue with you when you point out their ignorance which is the worst kind of idiots.

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#89630 - 06/17/14 06:35 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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I see similarities, particularly in the idea that they see themselves as outcast or separate from the rest of society and they seem to take pride in that.

They also spend a lot of time protesting negative stereotypes.
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#89631 - 06/17/14 06:51 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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'love me some Cracked. \:D In terms of "blogs" I'd swear at least a few of the writers out-satanize satanists.

As for ICP Well, their music is pretty "meh" however they DO very well to market to an audience - disaffected suburbia enamored with Hot-Topic style "individuality".

Then again it's sorta hard to stand-out as an individual when you're at such an age that your greatest life accomplishment to-date was making it to High-school with out having to attend summer school.

I'd say it definitely targets a profitable demographic - those of that age when peer acceptance is still very important (typically, anyway), identity still hasn't been established, socially awkward, outcast, and rebellion is still high on the list of motivating factors. It's sorta like an international "Loser's Club" - from that book IT... wasn't there a clown involved in that? ;\)

Granted, no "Juggalo" I've ever met has ever been particularly intelligent, nor terribly concerned with self-improvement (or personal hygiene for that matter) - but they do tend to have some pretty decent smoke.

BUT - if we were take "juggalo culture" and revise it to where elitism, intelligence, and self-improvement were necessary attributes then we'd just have... well... Satanists in clown make-up (or Goths with a sense of revelry - take your pick).

However, this would severely limit the market-base, and as an entrepreneur why in the shit would I do that? I give a fuck how "leet" my customers are? Fuck no! Just buy my stuff.

I will actually concur that there is *something* satanic about the imagery, the idea of carnivals, sinister clowns, and debauchery "broadly" smacks of Satanism.

Granted, "true" individuals don't need to wear their identity - but there's no harm in CoS-play (lol, see what it did there?)

If it were more Cirque du Soleil and less Jerky Boys it might even pass - though that would severely narrow the customer-base; so "come one come all - step right up step right up you too can be a Juggalo - a part of something different" - here's your red card.

*another only slightly related insight. With facial recognition, Facebook, and cameras becoming increasingly prevalent everywhere you go... maybe the smartest idea, in the interests of privacy, is to wear clown make-up. Shit! when they cancel Halloween, we'll know for sure that the police state is at hand. :P


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#89632 - 06/17/14 07:21 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Man you're a funny Bastard tonight. I admit, I snorted a few times reading your post.

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However, this would severely limit the market-base, and as an entrepreneur why in the shit would I do that? I give a fuck how "leet" my customers are? Fuck no! Just buy my stuff.

I will actually concur that there is *something* satanic about the imagery, the idea of carnivals, sinister clowns, and debauchery "broadly" smacks of Satanism.


It may just be one of those cases where the band members are so invested in whatever 'ideals' drove the thing (and probably still does) that the profit takes a second seat.

Maybe they figure they got five on it.

Give it the proper context, even THAT could be 'Satanic'. Eh?
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#89635 - 06/17/14 08:39 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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I admit, I snorted a few times reading your post
'always a plus when I'm not here just amusing myself :p thanks!

thinks...
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It may just be one of those cases where the band members are so invested in whatever 'ideals' drove the thing (and probably still does) that the profit takes a second seat


Eh, I tend to think it's more like "dude, seriously! this is ALL I got - if this don't work out, I'm back to changing tires at Firestone... for life :|" and the whole concept probably came up during wild-eyed conversations thinking "fuck this shit!".

I don't think they really had a plan, much less a back-up-plan. I think the lack of a back-up plan sorta pushed them on. Sink or swim - fake it til ya' make it type a deals.

Like any good carney, they came up with a gimmick and made something from nothing all the while doing what they enjoy doing.

Lead (Juggalos) into Gold (Psychopathic records).

So, how can I not at least tip my hat to what VJ n' Shaggy did. They aren't my role-models lyrically - BUT they definitely made their own way.

Fuck the fan-base...I don't judge the merits of Calvin Klein's success based on the behaviors of the types of d-bags that wear his clothes. Same goes to ICP / Suburban Noize. So yeah - to your point - it is satanic. Totally.

As for Juggalos themselves - heh they basically did the same shit any self-respecting C/S member did - BOUGHT into something.

If Satanists look down on them - perhaps they're a 'lil miffed that someone's found a better business strategy.

A) "Do I fill out a form and send in my $200 to be counted amongst a boring-ass 'elite' who still wouldn't talk to me anyway"

OR

B) "Do I just buy albums, clothing, Fago, concert tickets, and drugs WELL past $200 and assume my membership is basically implicit - no titles? no degrees? Just 'fun'"

Who wouldn't pick B?

Like, those who play the "bitch card" - sure taboo and "specialness" goes a long way... to masochists, at least. Yet, if I do have a pretty solid (err) "hand to play" and I already know what my wants are - Imma take the path of least resistance - take your fat friend home and plow her in the dark. 'All the same to me, really.

Allegorically, what I mean is elitism can and does back-fire.

I think what probably *might* rile the elites up a whole lot is that these idiots do it better.

*of course if ICP can be labeled a "gang" by the FBI, what makes anyone think the C/S can't be labeled as such? "Oh membership is only known to three people" heh, yeah, for now. Rational self-interest predicts he'd hand over the whole file if pressed even slightly - and he hasn't suggested a damn thing to suggest otherwise.


If you want a real "loosely affiliated cabal" just start talking to people, sign nothing, and aspire to nothing that is not your own - however ill-conceived.

It may not introduce me to a secret society of "like minded individuals" but I don't even like like-minded individuals.

I like people who are just comfy with who they are.

That's the "hook" I think the C/S totally missed out on - though it seems to have tried.

Not to mention (not that I'm a big fan of ICP) I'm sure there are more people running around with hatchet-man tattoos and bumper stickers than there are with pentagrams.

Sure, that says something BOTH about the consumer and (most importantly) the marketer.

"Satanism" has already been out satanized (sanitized?) on the marketing-front.

No kid in their right god-damned mind is going to give a shit about some 2,000 word essay regarding "numinous ways" and weird words - but we all DO know what people want! \:D Make it so.

We want fun! We want sex! We want easy access to drugs! We want to dance! :p

Seems ICP pulled it off.

Even if we all agree that their music is terrible and their fans are sorta dull-blades - what do you have to say for yourself? ;\)


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#89636 - 06/17/14 10:30 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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#89639 - 06/18/14 03:49 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Your ability to completely miss the point is astounding Dimi. I'll continue to offer you ample opportunity to get 'it' off your chest.

I'm merely apathetic to your experiences by reason they're more low-base than A-grade. This topic, and its subsequent responses, can be classified under the label of "pointless comparisons and likenesses of one sub-culture to another".

At this point, it's merely a rehearsal of the same old mantra that generally boils down to "seeing similarities". Those similarities being individuality, seeing themselves as different, separation from society,... Guess what, EVERY FUCKING SUB-CULTURE HAS THESE ASPECTS IN COMMON. Know why? Because it's the fucking definition of the word "subculture".

If only you started using your fucking brain for once...


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Edit Reason: separation.. not seperation..
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#89646 - 06/18/14 10:26 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: antikarmatomic]
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You may be right. I'm not really focused on the band to give fans cues anyway. More or less, some of the values I've seen displayed in Juggalos and the way they use it to empower themselves in spite of their lot in life.

I'll grant that many are of a particular socio-economic class and general intelligence level but through transmutation that situation can be improved. I've seen it. I've also expressed ad nauseum throughout these pages that reducing Satanism to a self-help regime is missing the mark. The essence speaks to the form.

While others may disagree, I see the similarities. I mean, not for nothing have you looked around at some of these folks rocking the identity pin of Satanist?

Describing Satanism as some Elitist self-help paradigm is an Orthodoxy that many don't ascribe to. In fact, it's just the opposite.

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#89647 - 06/18/14 10:30 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
[Quote=SIN3]Your ability to completely miss the point is astounding Dimi. I'll continue to offer you ample opportunity to get 'it' off your chest.


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I'm merely apathetic to your experiences by reason they're more low-base than A-grade.


As opposed to your own I suppose? Funny.

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This topic, and its subsequent responses, can be classified under the label of "pointless comparisons and likenesses of one sub-culture to another".


Pointless? I don't see it as pointless, just another topic to discuss. The Opie was just curious to learn what users thought on the subject, those thoughts have been expressed. This topic appears in the Google search hits all the time. So, regardless of what you think of the 'likeness', people are reading it.

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At this point, it's merely a rehearsal of the same old mantra that generally boils down to "seeing similarities". Those similarities being individuality, seeing themselves as different, separation from society,... Guess what, EVERY FUCKING SUB-CULTURE HAS THESE ASPECTS IN COMMON. Know why? Because it's the fucking definition of the word "subculture".

If only you started using your fucking brain for once...


The subject is views on Juggaloism, not necessarily a comparative. I merely shared what I think is the most prominent ideals that I would see as 'Satanic' if one were to make a comparison (as discussed throughout these pages).

I think, that you're so hung-up on a particular thing in your own head that it must be THAT. Right?

Talk about using brains. Ok Kettle.
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#89651 - 06/18/14 11:00 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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1) "The opie" hasn't shown presence since 2008. I pretty much doubt he'll be back soon.
2) This topic, when searched by title only, comes up once in google. Either my computer is covering things up or you're not quite grasping the meaning of "all the time". I'm fairly certain it's just you.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
I think, that you're so hung-up on a particular thing in your own head that it must be THAT. Right?

I'm more convinced that the internet is the only place where YOU can have a feeling of being important. Your activity here and in many other places indicate that much.
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#89653 - 06/18/14 11:11 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Dimitri]
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1. No shit. Already addressed in a previous post. Catch up.
2. I was referring to the Google hits when you use 'Users Online' link, it often appears there.

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I'm more convinced that the internet is the only place where YOU can have a feeling of being important. Your activity here and in many other places indicate that much.


There's that thing. There, there... Get it all out.

Does it make you feel like you've accomplished something?

I'm not totally heartless, I'll help you whenever I can. Just call my name.

Yes, this is all about me. For sure.
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#89657 - 06/18/14 01:22 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: Phaethon]
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Dark Carnival: College Presentation

Mythos cycle - Check
Aesthetic - Check
Inspirational Sentiment - Check
Self-Empowerment - Check
Identity - Check

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According to a 2011 Intelligence Report, the Juggalo subculture is split between violent and nonviolent factions. Some members of the Juggalos street gang even look down on non-criminal Juggalos, considering them to be weak,[17] and criminal Juggalo gangs have committed attacks on non-gang-related Juggalos.
[source: Jessica Miller (2010-10-11). "'Juggalo Killers' a new breed of gang"]

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On January 8th, 2014, Insane Clown Posse along with the American Civil Liberties Union of Michigan filed suit again against the FBI. The suit aims to have Juggalos no longer considered to be a gang and to have any "criminal intelligence information" about Juggalos destroyed.
- NY Times

Family or Gang, tribe or no. Juggalos experience the same paradigm shift as many who jump into an identity.

Same shit. Different flies.
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#89964 - 06/24/14 08:52 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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Oh boy \:D

I'm a Juggalo, Not A Gang Member: Update on the Case seems to be a few parallels. :p "loosely affiliated"... where have I heard that phrase before? And why does this whole spiel sound so familiar?


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#89965 - 06/24/14 09:42 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Late Response...

Juggalos aren't gang members any more than people with Metal Mullisha merchandise are part of an actual militia. If anything I see a group of people forfeiting their claim to a genuine identity by adopting a bands marketing gimmick that amounts to the wigger version of the KISS Army.

I guess since Juggalo Culture has its own mythos, (as previously mentioned) it fits criteria for cult status. I can't see it that way... Maybe there are just a lot of retarded, trendy, and impulsive people that like ICP? Whose lack of individualism gives the illusion of a cohesive group.

Still, I see mindless consumers buying an identity. Mix in guilt by association and you really are known by the company you keep.


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#89966 - 06/24/14 10:05 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I don't normally agree with S3 (which makes this forum banter a bit fun) but... well
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Same shit. Different flies.
pretty much, really. ONA / ICP / CoS / TOS/ TST... what's the superior 3 letter acronym that identifies "me"?

Oh! here's a few other 3-letter acronyms - FBI, CIA, DEA, DHS, DCD, FDA, and USA.

My answer is no. !=

NON.

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marketing gimmick that amounts to the wigger version of the KISS Army
well, probably... but Gene is pretty rich... seems he figured it out right quick.

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Mix in guilt by association and you really are known by the company you keep.


I know, like, maybe one of you here, and I'm not even really sure I know them that well, but I exist and it - for however haphazard as it stands, it stands.
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#89996 - 06/25/14 10:39 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: CanisMachina42]
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 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
Late Response...

Juggalos aren't gang members any more than people with Metal Mullisha merchandise are part of an actual militia. If anything I see a group of people forfeiting their claim to a genuine identity by adopting a bands marketing gimmick that amounts to the wigger version of the KISS Army.

I guess since Juggalo Culture has its own mythos, (as previously mentioned) it fits criteria for cult status. I can't see it that way... Maybe there are just a lot of retarded, trendy, and impulsive people that like ICP? Whose lack of individualism gives the illusion of a cohesive group.

Still, I see mindless consumers buying an identity. Mix in guilt by association and you really are known by the company you keep.


I guess my perspective differs a bit due to my exposure to Juggalos and their culture. While some forfeit personal identity, not all do. The way I see it, it's really no different than claiming a 'Satanist' identity pin. I mean, a lot of these folks look ordinary. You see one walking down the street you'd never know they were into ICP. While others embrace it to the degree of absurdity until they outgrow it. It's usually the younger kids ages 14-21. Beyond that, it's more of a 'tribe' mentality. They band together for various reasons, to support each other, have a band of friends or extended family, stuff like that.

They even have their own code of conduct. Like do's and don't's to stay cool with the small groups that form. As I mentioned previously, many of the older folks don't even go the concerts anymore because they can't deal with the blatant 'gross' behavior. Anything from vandalism to littering or throwing cups of pee onto the crowd.
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#90776 - 07/08/14 09:30 PM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: SIN3]
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Insane Clown Posse loses gang lawsuit

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The FBI report labeled the Juggalos as a "loosely organized hybrid gang."
Well, at least they didn't say "cabal of like-minded individuals" - that's a relief - 'suppose I'm off the hook for now.

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"While it is easy to fear what one does not understand, discrimination and bigotry against any group of people is just plain wrong and un-American,"
perhaps they're not so different than the TST after all - ACLU charity cases. ;\)



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#90778 - 07/09/14 12:03 AM Re: Views on Juggaloism [Re: antikarmatomic]
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perhaps they're not so different than the TST after all - ACLU charity cases. ;\)


Ha. Well, there's always that sort to be had - no matter what badge they pin to their chest.
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