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#16554 - 12/20/08 12:24 AM Re: The essence of language. [Re: Jake999]
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HEY GUYS.
THIS IS BROWN DEAMON .

I AM A SATANIST OBVIOUSLY.
JUST INTRODUCING MYSELF.

There is a section for introductions elsewhere on this site. All caps is frowned upon here. And if this is the best you can do for an introduction, you won't last long. Linger Longer.


Edited by fakepropht (12/20/08 02:55 AM)

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#16563 - 12/20/08 03:07 AM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: paolo sette]
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Anton LaVey never received a doctorate degree. Oh, I know he liked to refer to himself as a Doktor (or Doctor), but refering to oneself as such and actually carrying the accredition are vastly different. Your referencing him as such only implies your narrow mindedness.
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#16577 - 12/20/08 06:55 AM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: paolo sette]
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You both have to agree with me on this point...

I don't have to agree with you on shit. The only time I would agree with you is when you have presented something of validity, and thus far you have't presented me with anything worthy of agreement. As soon as you conquer the bridge of asses show it in intelligence not this drivel.

How much do you really know about the works of Lavey? I by no means am going to claim to be an expert, but you seem to understand little as was stated about you being narrow minded. I also ask this because of this...
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for the plain reason that he made it year 0 in 1966 ce.
Is this the only thing that you think Lavey has accomplished? This is a very minuscule accomlishment when you look at everything else that is credited to Lavey. You sound like nothing more then a fool. Even if you knew how to win you wouldn't know what to do with victory.
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#16587 - 12/20/08 01:05 PM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
Anton Lavey never received a doctorate degree. Oh, I know he liked to refer to himself as a Doktor (or Doctor), but refering to oneself as such and actually carrying the accredition are vastly different.


Anton LaVey NEVER referred to himself as DOCTOR or DOKTOR unless he was in a particularly strange mood. WE referred to him as Doctor or Herr Doctor, partially out of respect and partially in jest, because of the proliferation of "doctors" on TV as evangelists at the time, such as Dr. Gene Scott, etc.
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#16597 - 12/20/08 11:42 PM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: Jake999]
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That thought was brought to you courtesy of several Coors Lights. Check the time stamp when I posted that. I was not of sound mind. Maybe you can enlighten me. Whenever I hear someone refer to him as Doctor, it rings hollow with me. Kind of like someone jumping on the bandwagon. Since you were there, perhaps your insight can change mine.
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#16598 - 12/21/08 12:06 AM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: fakepropht]
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What's there to change? It was a nickname given to him by those who worked with him. Would you have that hollow ring if we had called him "Skippy?" He was the ONLY voice in Satanism. He had defined Satanism in the world as it had never been defined before. Hell, no, he didn't have a doctoral degree... where would he get one? There were no courses in Contemporary Diabolism.

Meanwhile, we watched the TV Evangelists... doctors of divinity... dealing in the name of Mammon. Doctor Gene Scott was a particular favorite... he earned his Ph.D. in EDUCATION at Stanford University in 1957. Yet late night TV, he sat in a chair, wearing silly hats, expounding on the Pyramid Inch and begging for cash from his insomniac flock. This was the era of Jim and Tammy Bakker, Reverend Robert Tilton, Oral Roberts telling his faithful that unless they sent him $10 million that GOD was going to kill him... it went on and on.

So someone called him Doctor one night while he was talking to us about something or other and it stuck. I still call him Dr. LaVey to this day... make of it what you will, but I'm hardly "jumping on any bandwagons." If we had wanted to grant him a doctorate in Satanic theory, you can bet your ass, we would have done it and not cared it ft rang hollow in anybody's mind. He never asked for that, never hinted at it, and it was never done. The term "doctor" became a term of respect and affection from those of us who knew him.

Why the hell should it bother anyone if someone who's found his message meaningful should carry on that tradition? It doesn't bother me. NOWHERE has there ever been a claim that he had a phD... it's a nickname we gave him.

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#16601 - 12/21/08 03:10 AM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: Jake999]
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I think that there is a difference in making the statement in ignorance vs. making the statement while understanding the meaning behind it.
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#16617 - 12/21/08 11:20 AM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: Ringmaster]
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I see your point Ringmaster, but I don't think that "younger people" who call Dr. LaVey "Dr. LaVey" are that far out of line. If they were wandering around substituting ANTON SAYS for JESUS SAYS, then it's a bit pretentious, but I liken it to the new guy in the workplace... and as a military man, you've probably seen it a million times.

A new guy goes into a unit and one of the first things he learns is the monikers of his cohorts. "Alphabet" might be Specialist Lacoberkowicz, "Moose" might be the guy who benches 400 pounds, and "Killer Joe" is Sgt. Kramer, who's an ace with his saw gun. Is he going to call them by their proper names and ranks, or is he going to work to fit in and use those names of respect that the guys in his unit have earned? He's a FNG now... soon people might be calling him "One Eyed Ghost" for some odd reason.

When people came into my unit, they almost immediately began calling me Ratspit on the radio and when talking informally in the field. It was a recognition of the nickname I'd earned (Jake's mean as Ratspit). When it counted, I knew that they were going to address me with proper military protocol... or get their ass handed to them.
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#16728 - 12/22/08 01:02 PM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: Jake999]
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Here's an idea, I'll make friendship bracelets that say "WWAD?" and sell them on eBay. They will of course only be available in BLACK and RED!

Thanks, Jake, I can quit my job now!
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#16732 - 12/22/08 01:19 PM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: Picunnus]
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LOL! Good luck at shooting your WWAD!!!

Actually, I think there was some one doing WWAD items at one point. I don't know how well they did. Used to be a time on EBAY when ANYTHING LaVey sold for some pretty good fazoozas.
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#20508 - 02/16/09 07:09 AM Re: Different types of evil? [Re: Munki1]
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 Originally Posted By: Munki1
I think there are different types of evil.

Getting a kick out of pulling a childs fingernails out for example, is evil, bad, and not okay.

The envy you feel of another to a Satanist is evil, not bad, and okay.


This thread with its varied responses has provided me some enjoyable ruminations on logical positivism, linguistics, and lesser magic. Meanwhile, I came to this thread in the first place because I had been pondering something on a similar wavelength to the original post.

Sensitive as I am to the notion that differences may be of kind or degree, I will suggest that what the above quote seems to me to be getting at would be differences of degree rather than differences of kind - and differences of degree are what I have been pondering of late.

Circling back to the original question of semantics, I must say I have never escaped the influence of LaVey's comment, which appears in The Devil's Notebook:

"Definition of Good and Evil: Good is what you like. Evil is what you don't like."

This definition can be applied within differing contexts or perspectives. If the perspective is personal, then Good and Evil are what the person in question likes or dislikes. If the perspective is societal, then Good and Evil are what society as an aggregate tends to like or dislike.

It is the societal perspective that has held my interest of late. In that context, Evil becomes the antisocial, a word that allows in its usage differences of degree:

antisocial: (adjective) 1. Shunning the society of others; not social. 2. Opposed or hostile to the established social order, marked by or engaging in behavior that violates accepted mores.
[American Heritage Dictionary, Second College Edition]

The above permits me to speak of a first degree and second degree of the antisocial, corresponding to the first and second definitions. Bringing in a line of thought from other recent posts of mine, the emotion of disdain would tend (not absolutely but statistically) to accompany the first degree antisocial; whereas, the emotion of hate would tend (not absolutely but statistically) to accompany the second degree antisocial.

In my own life, the first degree antisocial has manifested in various ways, such as the fact that I choose to live alone, but the second degree antisocial has up till now failed to manifest, primarily because I feared the consequences that can follow the gross, base expressions, and hadn't applied any creativity to the question of what subtle, sophisticated expressions might be workable. I have been admonished by an intelligent woman that of all the fears prudence might address, the severest of them all is fear of regret, or should be. And of all the things I might regret, failing to learn how to live fiercely would be at the very top of the list. Introspection has made clear to me that a fierce lifestyle, for me, must be one that embraces the second degree antisocial. And so I have begun to ponder the subtle and the sophisticated.

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