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#14984 - 11/28/08 01:46 AM A question of Satanic beliefs
Lestat_from_lt Offline
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Hello.
First question:
Some people created a group online, who describe themselves as Satanists. In their description there was a line who greatly interested me:
"We take Satan's name as a label of struggle, rebel against the society and mainstreem, christianity".

I am agnostic, by the viewpoint to Satanism. Why Satan is described as "a label"? Shouldn't Satan be a "supreme being", mythical creature, force - an existing matter in a spiritual of physical way, of course, if you believe in spiritual world, afterlife, existance of mythical beings etc. etc?

Second question:
I have been threatened people, who described themselves as KKK (Ku Klux Klan) members. Question to America members - is the KKK still exists in your country? Because I have read somewhere, that KKK activities were stopped, they simply dissapeared out of the public's view.

Third question: What is "the temple of Dark Light"? I have found the description of this organization as a satanic cult, but found no information online. Can anyone enlighten me about this so-called "temple"?

Thank you.

P.S. I must apologize again for any mistakes in my comment. English is not my native language.
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#14990 - 11/28/08 04:12 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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***I would first like to say thank you for finding us. You must have a reason for being here. We can direct you in the direction you need to go with kindness. Asking questions is the first thing that every being did once awareness existed in all forms of religion**** I personally can't direct you but the moderators will.

You need to refine your questions for Satanists to answer them. Please read your post and you will see the confusion.

ACHTUNG!!!!***THIS FORM OF Satanism DOES NOT SUPPORT RACISM OR ANIMAL ABUSE OR ANY FORM OF HUMAN ABUSE. ACHTUNG!!!***

One answer to your question is this:
Satan is not real and god is not real. Anton LaVey Satanists believe that Satan represents, the carnal delight of humanism. What we feel is far more important then any bastard child of god (Jesus, etc).
In other words, we believe in what we feel and desire but we take full responsibility for our own actions in this world.

This form of Satanism believes in anti-Christianity, but does not actually believe in Satan. Satan simply represets our carnal desires. We are the anti of everything that is Christian and everything that is anti religion if it denies our carnal desires that nature gave us.

Do we hate?
Yes.
We hate Christianity and all forms of religion that deny our carnal delights.

We also hate people who do not take responsibility for there own actions and that includes people that may call themselves Satanists. By Lavey's terms, you are only a Satanist if you where born one and you understand by nature what you are. You understand where you belong.

If you are a Satanist, you treat yourself as a God and treat all other valued Satanists as Gods or Goddesses.

If this does not make since, then read the Satanic Bible first or you shouldn't even be here.

Regarding racism:
If you have any interest in white power or the KKK you are very lost if you came here! If this is the case, I warn you, never come back again if you want to see the light of day for your future. (We are speaking to the racists not the curious)!

One of Lavey's faithful member's (which he was proud of) was African American, Sammy Davis JR. Hence we do not judge people by culture or race but rather by thinking and will power.
This is a religion as Lavey said because it does have dogma due to Black magic and the Satanic Laws. Above all laws is this "Self Preservation is the highest law." Next comes those you hold dear to you. If you haven't read the Satanic Bible then you shouldn't be here again I will say.

Read the books that have spoke the word to all of us before you respond again. If you do not, you will be removed!!!

Read:
The Satanic Bible (if nothing else)
The Devils Handbook (a second book I recommend if the first fits well).

The other books will follow if it fits for you.
Ahh! I spoke to much. I better let the community and those powerful in the community deal with this one. Sorry, just got excited.


Edited by Jaguar (11/28/08 05:05 AM)
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#14991 - 11/28/08 06:36 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Jaguar]
Lestat_from_lt Offline
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Thanks, for the reply to my comment.

I think that there was a misunderstanding. I am certainly NOT a racist, neither I am christian of a follower of KKK. I believe it seems clear when i said when some people, who described themselves as a KKK members THREATENED me.

I personally hate racists. I have encountered much of these in England and I always protected my friends who were attacked by those close minded bastards.

And yes, I have read Satanic Bible. And Mr Jaguar, I must kindly ask you about this bit:

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THIS FORM OF SATANISM DOES NOT SUPPORT RACISM OR ANIMAL ABUSE OR ANY FORM OF HUMAN ABUSE.


I haven't said anywhere that I despise other races and animals. I am actually supporting the anti-animal cruelty campaign in my country. I must ask - why have you highlighted this idea? Are there many people who interpretate Satanism as animal sacrificing and baby blood drinking action?

About the interest of KKK: I want to exterminate those bastards. I have no POSITIVE interests in this so-called group.

In the end, I must thank thee for the welcoming. Sadly, because of my poor english I cannot fully express my ideas. But I want to ask one more question: If magic or magick exists, are there any POSSIBILITY that Devil and God exists? It philosophycally tempted me to ask this question.

I want to be enlightened, my friends, but sadly, Lithuania, my native country, is under the reign of catholics. So no other people are not supporting me. Also my young age (16) and the lack of enlightement makes me to try searching the people who has similar ideas to mine.

So enlighten me, my friends, because I find no true enlightment in christian's heard.


Edited by Lestat_from_lt (11/28/08 06:41 AM)
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#14996 - 11/28/08 09:19 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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None here can enlighten you. Anyone telling you he can enlighten you is a liar.

Browse the internet and read as much as you can, then make your mind up. Even better: buy books and read them.
There is a lot of material out there and although most of it is plain rubbish, you are the only one able to learn the difference. It will be hard and you'll likely won't be able to do so at this age but there is no harm in gathering information.

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#14998 - 11/28/08 11:08 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Diavolo]
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on the first question some satanist are modern satanist which means that they veiw satan as a force on which to cast spells
with and traditional satanist beleive in satan as a diety
they worship and pray to
and on the 2 question the kkk are in my town on the outskirts
i really dont assicate with them they had there meeting in one of are parks but that all ive heard about that
and on your third question that the first time ive heard about that temple if you get some more information please share
hail!!!!!
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#15012 - 11/28/08 01:24 PM Facepalm [Re: Jaguar]
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 Originally Posted By: "Jaguar"
"We can direct you in the direction you need to go with kindness."

"We hate Christianity."

"..and treat all other valued Satanists as Gods or Goddesses."

"Regarding racism:
If you have any interest in white power or the KKK you are very lost if you came here!"


Stop using the word 'We'. You do not speak for anyone but yourself. Your comprehension of Satanism is still obviously very peripheral.
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"Read the books that have spoke the word to all of us before you respond again. If you do not, you will be removed!!!"

You're quite the pretentious little twat aren't you? Where do you get off threatening anyone here? Are these your forums now?
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#15035 - 11/28/08 03:48 PM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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Now, to deliver a cogent reply to the original post..



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I am agnostic, by the viewpoint to Satanism. Why Satan is described as "a label"? Shouldn't Satan be a "supreme being", mythical creature, force - an existing matter in a spiritual of physical way, of course, if you believe in spiritual world, afterlife, existance of mythical beings etc. etc?

Satanists are autotheists. This means we exalt our own ego as the truest and only form of deity. Satan has a lot of meanings in a lot of contexts to the Satanist, but an anthropomorphic deity is certainly not one of them. Faith, as is required to believe in an external deity/afterlife, is anathema to Satanic philosophy, which enshrines doubt as means to actual knowledge. Thus, from a cosmological standpoint, Satanism is inherently atheistic.
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Second question:
I have been threatened people, who described themselves as KKK (Ku Klux Klan) members. Question to America members - is the KKK still exists in your country? Because I have read somewhere, that KKK activities were stopped, they simply dissapeared out of the public's view.

To respond to this I will ask you a question. Why do you think Satanists would have any more knowledge about the KKK than any other group within society, or rather;Why are you asking this here?

I have never met a Satanist that is a KKK member. Aesthetics are too important to most Satanists to wear a mullet!

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Third question: What is "the temple of Dark Light"? I have found the description of this organization as a satanic cult, but found no information online. Can anyone enlighten me about this so-called "temple"?

On the internet you will encounter a lot of 'satanic' websites. About 95% of them have absolutely nothing to do with actual Satanism. My thoughts are that this example is probably no different.
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#15047 - 11/28/08 04:32 PM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Dan_Dread]
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First, welcome. Unlike Jaguar (who the fuck does this guy think he is anyways?), you are smart enough to know you don't know everything, and a good start.

To your first question, no. I do not believe in a Satan as I do not need to point my finger at anything other than a mirror when I fuck up.

Second, yes the KKK still exists. Why?

Temple of Dark Light? As in the TDL? You've never heard of them?! Me either, i'll have to look them up.
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#15091 - 11/29/08 08:31 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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Lestat, you would be wise to completely ignore Jaguar's response. As pointed out by others, his opinions do not represent ours, and he cannot speak for anyone of us.

This is a forum of INDIVIDUALS, and not one sect. Although we often do agree on many things, some of us come here to discuss those things which we do not agree on, or things which we still haven't figured out for ourselves, and to get different perspectives.

If there is one common bond for most of the people on this board, it is the seach for knowledge, and the desire for freedom of the mind. Even saying this, I am being presumptious, since the only one that I can truly speak for is myself.
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#15151 - 11/30/08 09:34 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Asmedious]
Jaguar Offline
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Well sorry guys! I guess I came on too strong but we are in the Satanism 101 and I did ask for people to correct me if I was off as 3 of you believe I was off.

Lestat wasn't clear on what he was asking when I read it as I said.

Any further discussion or pissed off thoughts, PM me, please. I will be happy to respond. Lets just keep our bitching at each other in the PM's not the forums. I deserved the response after coming on so strong though. I respect that. I am not real clear on what Dread was pissy about with his quotes of me though. It confused me. Guess If I give shit I will pm him.

Lestat, I simply wasn't sure what you where getting at but I understand now. Sounds like you belong here since your last response, Good Deal! I wasn't clear on what you where for or against in your message. Communication rocks!

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This is a forum of INDIVIDUALS, and not one sect. Although we often do agree on many things, some of us come here to discuss those things which we do not agree on, or things which we still haven't figured out for ourselves, and to get different perspectives.

Don't forget the Satanic laws, hence dogma. I understand what you mean but I simply disagree. Lavey said this himself. This is a religion with laws to follow as much as that sucks or doesn't, whatever.

Oh! The KKK aren't the brightest group. Infact I watched a program with the leaders of the KKK trying to show off how great they are, and all I can say is "total white trash." Well, that was what I saw. Not the brightest group of people with great goals in life. Unless I am wrong the American Skin heads hate the KKK deeply. I realize the UK Skin heads are not racists and they hate the American skin heads and view them as trash. Funny how things work. \:\)


Edited by Jaguar (11/30/08 09:50 AM)
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#15155 - 11/30/08 10:55 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Jaguar]
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Don't forget the Satanic laws, hence dogma. I understand what you mean but I simply disagree. Lavey said this himself. This is a religion with laws to follow as much as that sucks or doesn't, whatever.

Following a dogma is representing your own stupidity.
Let's put this straight, within Satanism there is no thing as "laws" or "dogma's". There are only GUIDELINES. And as far as I'm concerned I didn't saw Lavey mentioning we must follow laws he made up. Maybe you should take your SB by hand and read it more thoroughly. Untill now I only saw you writing bovine excrement.


Edited by Dimitri (11/30/08 10:55 AM)
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#15185 - 11/30/08 05:25 PM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Jaguar]
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Lavey said this himself. This is a religion with laws to follow as much as that sucks or doesn't, whatever.


Could you indicate us where Lavey said this? Just for our own edification...

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#15188 - 11/30/08 05:35 PM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Fabiano]
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I think he refers to this passage:

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About "dogma," Anton LaVey wrote the following in his Satanic Bible (1969 edition, p.53):

Modern man has come a long way; he has become disenchanted with the nonsensical dogmas of past religions. We are living in an enlightened age. Psychiatry has made great strides in enlightening man about his true personality. We are living in an era of intellectual awareness unlike any the world has ever seen.

This is all very well and good, BUT -- there is one flaw in this new state of awareness. It is one thing to accept something intellectually, but to accept the same thing emotionally is an entirely different matter. The one need that psychiatry cannot fill is man's inherent need for emotionalizing through dogma. Man needs ceremony and ritual, fantasy and enchantment. Psychiatry, despite all the good it has done, has robbed man of wonder and fantasy which religion, in the past, has provided.

Satanism, realizing the current needs of man, fills the large grey void between religion and psychiatry. The Satanic philosophy combines the fundamentals of psychology and good, honest emotionalizing, or dogma. It provides man with his much needed fantasy. There is nothing wrong with dogma, providing it is not based on ideas and actions which go completely against human nature.


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#15194 - 11/30/08 07:01 PM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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Greetings, Lestat from It.

I think the other members might be misreading your posts a bit, and might seem a bit hostile. Nonetheless you haven't said anything stupid or uninformed yet, so you deserve a thorough reply.

The majority of Satanists (especially those here) don't believe that Satan is a literal supernatural God, demon, mythical creature, spirit, whatever. Most of us are atheists, yet observe a powerful force in human nature that represents carnality, self-interest, rebellion, questioning the norm, etc. We give this force the label "Satan".

Defining Satan as a literal deity is difficult because it requires radical reinterpretation of already-vague spiritual texts (most of them penned by Satan's avowed enemies). To compensate for this, Theistic Satanists will rely heavily on "prayer", and "personal spiritual revelation", which will either result in a man-made deity constructed from their subconscious thoughts, or some outrageous hallucination-induced "imaginary friend".

As far as the KKK goes, why did they threaten you? I live in America, so I know a bit more about this that others might... The KKK still exists, but it is nowhere near as popular/powerful as it was 50 years ago. After the 60's, the KKK was completely discredited in the public eye, even in the South. Nonetheless, the Klan still exist, and they still gather for pro-racist rallies, cross-burnings, bake sales, and the like. They are still just as hateful, but their loss of popularity and Southern political influence has removed almost all of their actual "bite" in all but the most backwater of small Bible-belt towns.

The Temple of Dark Light... never heard of it. Where did you get the name from? There are many small short-lived Satanic groups popping up and disbanding because they don't have enough members, motivation, substance, etc. Chances are it was some small no-name group that dissolved after a year or so, like most upstart cults do.
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#15217 - 12/01/08 01:44 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: The Zebu]
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Hey everyone, thank thee for a through replies.
I finally found out information about so called "temple". It is actually called in two ways: Temple of the Dark Light/ Temple of the Black light. It is a belief in chaos or some sort. Here is a website, which informs about this group:

http://www.templeoftheblacklight.net/info.html

Reply to One that hast asked me about KKK:
The KKK threatened me online when I have published an article "the utopic Paradise" where the main idea was that Paradise or Heaven was a utopia and existance of this utopia would lead its beings unto madness and destruction.
Later I had a few comments who were something like that: "You sick psycho bastard, we the Holy warriors will plunge your fucking heart into the deep". More later they described themselves as a "holy KKK members". As I have seen from they signatures, they were also "Stormfront" - neonazi online group members.
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#15305 - 12/01/08 11:14 PM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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temple of the black light is operated by individuals from the MLO, who came to attention and notoriety through guitarist Jon Nödtveidt, formerly of Swedish band Dissection. some surviving members are still involved with various BM bands.

the KKK has nothing to do with Satanism whatsoever. they are a mostly powerless, outdated, out gunned, and frequently redneck, and many probably do not know how to operate computers. I HIGHLY doubt anyone having anything to do with the klu klux klan is actually behind whatever threats you may or may not have received.

no one in the klan gives a damn about lithuania, and i cant imagine anyone from stormfront giving much of a damn either, considering you story of utopia and madness appears to have nothing to do with racial issues.

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#15308 - 12/02/08 01:03 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Bacchae]
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There were plans to create a KKK trend in my country - there was a whole website who was dedicated to this group, but there were not enough members.
By the way what MLO stands for?
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#15315 - 12/02/08 08:02 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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MLO = Misanthropic Luciferian Order


Or it could be a medical laboratory observer, but I don't think so.
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#15316 - 12/02/08 08:25 AM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Picunnus]
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You can build a website and claim to be anyone... look at the proliferation of grand satanic orders, most of which are cults of one that fade away when their parents catch them looking at porn on the web. The KKK is alive and anemic in the USA, a pale reflection of itself, even at its lower periods in its history.

As for threatening over the web... it's become a passtime for the weak and impotent.
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#16405 - 12/17/08 07:39 PM Re: A question of Satanic beliefs [Re: Lestat_from_lt]
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I can't resist. I live in Georgia, the "Dirty South"...(hehe) and I have never actually seen any active KKK members. Granted, they use to be very popular, but I heard they still hold retreats at Stone Mountain and in certain parts of Tennessee.
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