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#15406 - 12/03/08 01:42 PM Tipping?
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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I just wondered how the people here felt about tipping waiters/waitresses. It seems to me that they are doing their job, which they already get paid for so I don't tip.

I have heard people say "Well they get paid crap wages and have to put up with a bunch of shit from customers." I respond by saying: "So do a lot of other people. You don't go out of your way to tip the guy who pumps your gas, or takes your order at McDonalds."

The way I see it the fact they have a crappy job with crappy wages and crappy working conditions is their own fault. If they didn't want to be making minimum wage they shouldn't have got knocked up when they were 16. Or, maybe they should have paid better attention in school and pursued a higher education.

The only people I tip are bartenders. It has been my experience the better you tup your bartender; the better they will make your drink. Even then it is still cheaper to go to the liquor store and buy a bottle.

Thoughts?
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#15407 - 12/03/08 01:50 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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People whose jobs typically involve tipping get paid LESS than other people. McDonald's pays roughly $7/hour. Waitressing pays roughly $3. You're straight fucking people if you don't tip them. If you WANT to straight fuck them, go for it - but don't sit in their section again, because they'll remember you.
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#15409 - 12/03/08 02:07 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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When I go out, I tip and I tip well.

When I return to that restaurant, I definitely get a better grade of service.

When I'm gambling, I quite often lay a side bet for the dealer... it's a tip. It's not going to influence the fall of the cards one way or another, but it quite often enhances the general tone of the table, making the atmosphere more fun.

Why a person is in a low paying job could be for a lot of reasons, including an economic slump, as we have today. In areas where corporations close and those people lose their jobs, they have to work SOMEWHERE to make ends meet until they can find a job in the local economy that will match their qualifications. Quite often that isn't easy. I personally know of people with college degrees who've come on hard times and have had to take lower paying jobs to make ends meet. It's a bit arrogant to assume that they "got knocked up" or "didn't pay attention in school."


Edited by Jake999 (12/03/08 02:08 PM)
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#15412 - 12/03/08 03:20 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Jake999]
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In my opinion, it's common courtesy to tip the waiter/waitress, but ONLY if they provide a decent service for me. But that's just me.

If anything, it shouldn't be treated as a full-time thing really; more of a student job or something. But then again, as Jake has already stated, sometimes it's necessary to take desperate measures.
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#15418 - 12/03/08 04:26 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: DistroyA]
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As stated, waiters/ waitresses DON'T make minimum wage, they make less. So really you should tip them in order for them to get a decent wage (around 15% is good.) I wouldn't tip the bartender because they usually do make better wages, and may even get a cut of everyone else's tips.

It isn't just a student job all the time. An older relative of mine is a waitress because it is a simple job and she (claims to) like to interact with people.

Do what you want, even if that means not tipping. Just be warned that if you ever go back, your food may be a little tainted. Usually spit, though I know people who have used steaks as toilet paper.
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#15425 - 12/03/08 05:15 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Phaethon]
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I used the words "student job" as an example.

Generally, I get a decent service anyway, so if I had more than enough cash, I'd tip the waiter. And, since I live in the UK, if I got the "spit in food" treatment, they'd get the sack instantly. Or a disciplinary at the very least. So they'd better think twice about fucking with my food if I go to their restaurant.
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#15427 - 12/03/08 05:29 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: DistroyA]
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We don't tip here, it's not in our culture, at least not in the bars. When I have a meal somewhere I mostly leave some cash, simply because I hate pocket change. I'm a bill-boy. But it is not required and people don't rub yer steak through their buttcrack when you don't.

When I was in the States, tipping felt strange to me. The 'YOU HAVE TO TIP' thing. Seriously, I want food, I order food and I have to pay 10 to 15% for someone to carry it a couple of yards from the kitchen to my table? Or grab a beer and give it to me and that act is worth extra cash?
Anyways, strange lands, strange cultures and I'm not the euro-nazi when going abroad so I adapt, if not only for the easiness of not having to argue with every agitated aboriginal out there.

So after every meal I do have to start calculating and judging; how was the service, how was the food, how much % is it worth, what if the food is shit and the service is good? What the fuck is service? Acting as if a complete stranger is your long lost brother and smiling while the only thing you actually wonder about it how much you'll make and what time your shift ends, and if Bobby-Joe isn't fucking your niece while you are being the service-queen? Is saying hi in an almost friendly manner and always looking as if you're in a toothpaste commercial considered good service?

But yeah, I tipped and if I had pearls and mirrors, I would have given them too. Maybe do a little tribal dance with them.

Frankly, simplify things, it's so much easier.

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#15431 - 12/03/08 05:43 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I always tip and tip well. It's doing something like that that will get you a free drink on the house. An extra serving at mealtime. A better table next time. I have 3 places that I frequent. Within 30 seconds of entering one of them, I have a cold Coors Light coming my way, and the server is there with a menu and a smile. Many times they already know what I eat and just need to know that I am there to eat. I never have to wait in line for a drink. Unless you never plan to return there, it would be wise to offer a minimum of 15%. Otherwise, know that your next meal will include a nice helping of human fluids. Be it spit, snot, pubes, an extra sprinkling of cayenne pepper, fecal matter. It happens. And don't think wait staff don't share stories. A lot of them regularly meet at a place after work for a drink and to talk. Word gets around about the tightass that doesn't tip.
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#15433 - 12/03/08 05:50 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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Yes but they did chose the job they have it is not like they were told growing up this is your job like it or not. They went through the hassle to apply for the job, have the interview, put the clothes on, and come into work. So is it really fucking them for not giving them extra money for sympathy? "Oh your job is shitty you chose this job but here I feel sorry for your poor choice in life so here." Fuck no! Reap the fruits of your choice I say. You don't like your job get a new damn job plan and simple.

Granted I don't tip usually unless I feel they went the extra mile, made my day a more pleasent one, or if I been finiky (but then again I am paying for it I want what I pay for). If I get some ones I might leave one or two on the table because I don't like ones. But do I go out of my way break a bill and say here is 10-15% of what my meal cost thank you for doing your job. No it is just utter nonsense.
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#15436 - 12/03/08 07:05 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Ringmaster]
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The only reason I wouldn't tip is if I was dissatisfied with my service or food. I also clearly let my server know this is the case. However, when this is the case I generally do not ever return to the establishment in question, so toilet paper steak isn't really a concern.

As for how much, it depends. I couldn't give two shits about percentages. There are things I factor in though.

-The quality of the food.

-The quality of the service

-The attitude of the server.

-How hot the waitress is. (sorry waiters/bartenders, this is just how it is)

-The general atmosphere of the place. (If I have to spend my meal listening to a crying baby at the table behind me for the whole time I will probably tip less. You could say it isn't the servers fault, but the quality of my experience is what I'm tipping for)

With that said the last meal I ate out was at a local steak house. The meal for me and my lady came to about 50-60 bucks, and I left a 20 dollar tip. The food was good, the waitress was friendly and hot, and she came around about 5 times to ask if our drinks/food were ok. My lady thought she was flirting with me, but I thought that was neither here nor there!
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#15438 - 12/03/08 07:26 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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"People whose jobs typically involve tipping get paid LESS than other people. McDonald's pays roughly $7/hour. Waitressing pays roughly $3. You're straight fucking people if you don't tip them."

I dont know where you live, but here the minimum wage is $8.50 that is what the waitresses make. I have no idea where the 3$ is coming from, but that is not how it is here in Oregon.

"I personally know of people with college degrees who've come on hard times and have had to take lower paying jobs to make ends meet. It's a bit arrogant to assume that they "got knocked up" or "didn't pay attention in school.""

My point is: why should I feel sorry for these people? It is not my fault they are in the position they are in. Why should I give them a handout? Also the question still stands: Why not tip other people who recive a low wage?



Edited by 6Satan6Archist6 (12/03/08 07:34 PM)
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#15442 - 12/03/08 09:39 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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This post is directed to nobody and everybody…

Jake and Fakepropht said it best… Tipping leads you to better food, better portions, and better service… A normal diner waitress will normally get $5 to $10 for waiting on me… This is usually a meal for two and under $40…

Really if you can barely afford the meal then eat at home… Those of us with enough money to throw it around wisely reap the rewards from doing so…

I have to re-watch Reservoir dogs as the original post seems like it was taken directly from that movie…

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#15453 - 12/03/08 11:59 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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That may be the case in Oregon, but I know it isn't the case here in VA. Wait staff are hired at a fraction of the minimum wage with the expectation that they will make up the difference in tips. Similar to a salesman who works for commission. The thought being that if you provide exceptional service, you will be rewarded. Dicks like you that stiff a person, when they went out of their way to try to provide you the best service, deserve to get their burger served with "special sauce". Tipping is an expected norm. You are expected to tip the dealer at a casino table when you get a winning hand. You are expected to tip the hostess that brings you a "free" drink while playing the games. Don't tip, and you will find yourself being visited by a big guy in a suit who will politely ask you to leave. I always tip my tattooist when they deliver exceptional work at a decent price. It also ensures the next time I am in his shop, I get his best effort and he doesn't reuse the needle he just tattooed the crack addict with.
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#15456 - 12/04/08 12:19 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: fakepropht]
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"Dicks like you that stiff a person, when they went out of their way to try to provide you the best service, deserve to get their burger served with "special sauce". Tipping is an expected norm. You are expected to tip the dealer at a casino table when you get a winning hand. You are expected to tip the hostess that brings you a "free" drink while playing the games. Don't tip, and you will find yourself being visited by a big guy in a suit who will politely ask you to leave."

Dick? Also I rarely see anyone "go out of their way" to provide me the best service. I should also point out now that tip is an acronym for: to insure promptness. Originally the tip was given at the beginning of the meal. The idea being that you would get your food faster if you left a better tip. I have also never been kicked out of a casino for not tipping the girl who brought me my free drink for gambling at their establishment.
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#15460 - 12/04/08 01:48 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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In nyc, waitstaff makes less than minimun wage, around $3.00.
People will remember you if you dont tip.
Waitresses, bartenders, strippers, they all really work for tips.

Hookers/pros get tipped at the beginning to ensure quality service.

Tattoo artists get tipped also for the reasons listed above.

Tipping depending on service is usually double the tax in nyc.


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