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#15406 - 12/03/08 01:42 PM Tipping?
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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I just wondered how the people here felt about tipping waiters/waitresses. It seems to me that they are doing their job, which they already get paid for so I don't tip.

I have heard people say "Well they get paid crap wages and have to put up with a bunch of shit from customers." I respond by saying: "So do a lot of other people. You don't go out of your way to tip the guy who pumps your gas, or takes your order at McDonalds."

The way I see it the fact they have a crappy job with crappy wages and crappy working conditions is their own fault. If they didn't want to be making minimum wage they shouldn't have got knocked up when they were 16. Or, maybe they should have paid better attention in school and pursued a higher education.

The only people I tip are bartenders. It has been my experience the better you tup your bartender; the better they will make your drink. Even then it is still cheaper to go to the liquor store and buy a bottle.

Thoughts?
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#15407 - 12/03/08 01:50 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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People whose jobs typically involve tipping get paid LESS than other people. McDonald's pays roughly $7/hour. Waitressing pays roughly $3. You're straight fucking people if you don't tip them. If you WANT to straight fuck them, go for it - but don't sit in their section again, because they'll remember you.
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#15409 - 12/03/08 02:07 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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When I go out, I tip and I tip well.

When I return to that restaurant, I definitely get a better grade of service.

When I'm gambling, I quite often lay a side bet for the dealer... it's a tip. It's not going to influence the fall of the cards one way or another, but it quite often enhances the general tone of the table, making the atmosphere more fun.

Why a person is in a low paying job could be for a lot of reasons, including an economic slump, as we have today. In areas where corporations close and those people lose their jobs, they have to work SOMEWHERE to make ends meet until they can find a job in the local economy that will match their qualifications. Quite often that isn't easy. I personally know of people with college degrees who've come on hard times and have had to take lower paying jobs to make ends meet. It's a bit arrogant to assume that they "got knocked up" or "didn't pay attention in school."


Edited by Jake999 (12/03/08 02:08 PM)
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#15412 - 12/03/08 03:20 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Jake999]
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In my opinion, it's common courtesy to tip the waiter/waitress, but ONLY if they provide a decent service for me. But that's just me.

If anything, it shouldn't be treated as a full-time thing really; more of a student job or something. But then again, as Jake has already stated, sometimes it's necessary to take desperate measures.
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#15418 - 12/03/08 04:26 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: DistroyA]
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As stated, waiters/ waitresses DON'T make minimum wage, they make less. So really you should tip them in order for them to get a decent wage (around 15% is good.) I wouldn't tip the bartender because they usually do make better wages, and may even get a cut of everyone else's tips.

It isn't just a student job all the time. An older relative of mine is a waitress because it is a simple job and she (claims to) like to interact with people.

Do what you want, even if that means not tipping. Just be warned that if you ever go back, your food may be a little tainted. Usually spit, though I know people who have used steaks as toilet paper.
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#15425 - 12/03/08 05:15 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Phaethon]
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I used the words "student job" as an example.

Generally, I get a decent service anyway, so if I had more than enough cash, I'd tip the waiter. And, since I live in the UK, if I got the "spit in food" treatment, they'd get the sack instantly. Or a disciplinary at the very least. So they'd better think twice about fucking with my food if I go to their restaurant.
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#15427 - 12/03/08 05:29 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: DistroyA]
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We don't tip here, it's not in our culture, at least not in the bars. When I have a meal somewhere I mostly leave some cash, simply because I hate pocket change. I'm a bill-boy. But it is not required and people don't rub yer steak through their buttcrack when you don't.

When I was in the States, tipping felt strange to me. The 'YOU HAVE TO TIP' thing. Seriously, I want food, I order food and I have to pay 10 to 15% for someone to carry it a couple of yards from the kitchen to my table? Or grab a beer and give it to me and that act is worth extra cash?
Anyways, strange lands, strange cultures and I'm not the euro-nazi when going abroad so I adapt, if not only for the easiness of not having to argue with every agitated aboriginal out there.

So after every meal I do have to start calculating and judging; how was the service, how was the food, how much % is it worth, what if the food is shit and the service is good? What the fuck is service? Acting as if a complete stranger is your long lost brother and smiling while the only thing you actually wonder about it how much you'll make and what time your shift ends, and if Bobby-Joe isn't fucking your niece while you are being the service-queen? Is saying hi in an almost friendly manner and always looking as if you're in a toothpaste commercial considered good service?

But yeah, I tipped and if I had pearls and mirrors, I would have given them too. Maybe do a little tribal dance with them.

Frankly, simplify things, it's so much easier.

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#15431 - 12/03/08 05:43 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I always tip and tip well. It's doing something like that that will get you a free drink on the house. An extra serving at mealtime. A better table next time. I have 3 places that I frequent. Within 30 seconds of entering one of them, I have a cold Coors Light coming my way, and the server is there with a menu and a smile. Many times they already know what I eat and just need to know that I am there to eat. I never have to wait in line for a drink. Unless you never plan to return there, it would be wise to offer a minimum of 15%. Otherwise, know that your next meal will include a nice helping of human fluids. Be it spit, snot, pubes, an extra sprinkling of cayenne pepper, fecal matter. It happens. And don't think wait staff don't share stories. A lot of them regularly meet at a place after work for a drink and to talk. Word gets around about the tightass that doesn't tip.
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#15433 - 12/03/08 05:50 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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Yes but they did chose the job they have it is not like they were told growing up this is your job like it or not. They went through the hassle to apply for the job, have the interview, put the clothes on, and come into work. So is it really fucking them for not giving them extra money for sympathy? "Oh your job is shitty you chose this job but here I feel sorry for your poor choice in life so here." Fuck no! Reap the fruits of your choice I say. You don't like your job get a new damn job plan and simple.

Granted I don't tip usually unless I feel they went the extra mile, made my day a more pleasent one, or if I been finiky (but then again I am paying for it I want what I pay for). If I get some ones I might leave one or two on the table because I don't like ones. But do I go out of my way break a bill and say here is 10-15% of what my meal cost thank you for doing your job. No it is just utter nonsense.
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#15436 - 12/03/08 07:05 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Ringmaster]
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The only reason I wouldn't tip is if I was dissatisfied with my service or food. I also clearly let my server know this is the case. However, when this is the case I generally do not ever return to the establishment in question, so toilet paper steak isn't really a concern.

As for how much, it depends. I couldn't give two shits about percentages. There are things I factor in though.

-The quality of the food.

-The quality of the service

-The attitude of the server.

-How hot the waitress is. (sorry waiters/bartenders, this is just how it is)

-The general atmosphere of the place. (If I have to spend my meal listening to a crying baby at the table behind me for the whole time I will probably tip less. You could say it isn't the servers fault, but the quality of my experience is what I'm tipping for)

With that said the last meal I ate out was at a local steak house. The meal for me and my lady came to about 50-60 bucks, and I left a 20 dollar tip. The food was good, the waitress was friendly and hot, and she came around about 5 times to ask if our drinks/food were ok. My lady thought she was flirting with me, but I thought that was neither here nor there!
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#15438 - 12/03/08 07:26 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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"People whose jobs typically involve tipping get paid LESS than other people. McDonald's pays roughly $7/hour. Waitressing pays roughly $3. You're straight fucking people if you don't tip them."

I dont know where you live, but here the minimum wage is $8.50 that is what the waitresses make. I have no idea where the 3$ is coming from, but that is not how it is here in Oregon.

"I personally know of people with college degrees who've come on hard times and have had to take lower paying jobs to make ends meet. It's a bit arrogant to assume that they "got knocked up" or "didn't pay attention in school.""

My point is: why should I feel sorry for these people? It is not my fault they are in the position they are in. Why should I give them a handout? Also the question still stands: Why not tip other people who recive a low wage?



Edited by 6Satan6Archist6 (12/03/08 07:34 PM)
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#15442 - 12/03/08 09:39 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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This post is directed to nobody and everybody…

Jake and Fakepropht said it best… Tipping leads you to better food, better portions, and better service… A normal diner waitress will normally get $5 to $10 for waiting on me… This is usually a meal for two and under $40…

Really if you can barely afford the meal then eat at home… Those of us with enough money to throw it around wisely reap the rewards from doing so…

I have to re-watch Reservoir dogs as the original post seems like it was taken directly from that movie…

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#15453 - 12/03/08 11:59 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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That may be the case in Oregon, but I know it isn't the case here in VA. Wait staff are hired at a fraction of the minimum wage with the expectation that they will make up the difference in tips. Similar to a salesman who works for commission. The thought being that if you provide exceptional service, you will be rewarded. Dicks like you that stiff a person, when they went out of their way to try to provide you the best service, deserve to get their burger served with "special sauce". Tipping is an expected norm. You are expected to tip the dealer at a casino table when you get a winning hand. You are expected to tip the hostess that brings you a "free" drink while playing the games. Don't tip, and you will find yourself being visited by a big guy in a suit who will politely ask you to leave. I always tip my tattooist when they deliver exceptional work at a decent price. It also ensures the next time I am in his shop, I get his best effort and he doesn't reuse the needle he just tattooed the crack addict with.
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#15456 - 12/04/08 12:19 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: fakepropht]
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"Dicks like you that stiff a person, when they went out of their way to try to provide you the best service, deserve to get their burger served with "special sauce". Tipping is an expected norm. You are expected to tip the dealer at a casino table when you get a winning hand. You are expected to tip the hostess that brings you a "free" drink while playing the games. Don't tip, and you will find yourself being visited by a big guy in a suit who will politely ask you to leave."

Dick? Also I rarely see anyone "go out of their way" to provide me the best service. I should also point out now that tip is an acronym for: to insure promptness. Originally the tip was given at the beginning of the meal. The idea being that you would get your food faster if you left a better tip. I have also never been kicked out of a casino for not tipping the girl who brought me my free drink for gambling at their establishment.
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#15460 - 12/04/08 01:48 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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In nyc, waitstaff makes less than minimun wage, around $3.00.
People will remember you if you dont tip.
Waitresses, bartenders, strippers, they all really work for tips.

Hookers/pros get tipped at the beginning to ensure quality service.

Tattoo artists get tipped also for the reasons listed above.

Tipping depending on service is usually double the tax in nyc.


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#15465 - 12/04/08 04:59 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Yes, it seems the general consensus is "dick". I'm going to guess that you have never had this type of job. I'm also going to guess that if you were a waiter, you'd get terrible tips.

THIS THREAD IS A DEAD HORSE!!
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#15470 - 12/04/08 06:00 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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We don't tip as a rule in Australia, but personally I like to sometimes if I want or get better service than the average.

Restaurants are really the only place I tip.

When I was in the states, I soon worked out better tip better service. Like in Vegas, free drinks at tables, but tip well and they happen more often, tip badly and you wait hours for that waitress to come back.

Men that don't know how to tip are usually bad dates or providers. It's showing yourself to be cheap and not good material as even a fuck buddy (fuck buddy's should be extra generous as they get the most for the least).

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#15472 - 12/04/08 08:09 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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LOL! If you don't know how to work the "green grease" in Vegas, baby, you gotta learn QUICK!
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#15478 - 12/04/08 11:11 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: Jake999]
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"Yes, it seems the general consensus is "dick"."

Oh darn. A few people on the internet think i'm a dick. It must be true if it were said on an internet forum...

"I'm going to guess that you have never had this type of job."

Well you would be wrong. I worked as a cook a for quite a while. Your assumptions are false.
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#15485 - 12/04/08 03:30 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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It seems Oz has the same culture as us when it comes to tipping or not tipping. I did check wiki on it and it is fascinating how cultures either promote or abhore tipping. It's different everywhere.

Down here, service jobs are not paid too bad and they make a reasonable living not due to tipping but due to making a lot of hours. It's a bit like the truckers, you make less money but more hours.

Still, to me, tipping when being enforced by a higher, cultural entity feels strange and I'll probably never get used to it.

On one occasion, when in a bar up there, the lady behind personally thanked me, as if I had rescued her baby out of a burning house, after me telling her to keep the change. It made me feel very uncomfortable.

It's not my thing for sure. I could care less about the money but the social aspect of it shits me a bit.

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#15491 - 12/04/08 05:47 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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If you worked as a cook, then you would clearly know that waitresses do not get paid minimum wage. Waitress minimum wage is much lower then typical minimum wages because of a tip based profession. And yes, there are federal differences in the minimum wages for normal jobs and waitress jobs.

When I was a chef, minimum wage was around $6.25 or so, waitress minimum was $1.75.

Waitresses don't make crap unless tipped. If you don't tip, that is your choice. It still doesn't mean they are making $7 an hour or whatever the minimum wage is now.
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#15492 - 12/04/08 06:10 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Diavolo]
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I grew up in a tipping culture and now live in a culture with little to no tipping. It feels weird. I enjoyed giving people good tips.

Now I keep hearing in the news that the tips are all taken by absent owners of some restaurants and the servers don't see a dime. I would appreciate some kind of anti-tip option there.


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#15493 - 12/04/08 06:48 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: coelentrate]
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"If you worked as a cook, then you would clearly know that waitresses do not get paid minimum wage. Waitress minimum wage is much lower then typical minimum wages because of a tip based profession. And yes, there are federal differences in the minimum wages for normal jobs and waitress jobs."


I don't know where you get that information from. All the waitresses I have ever worked with either made minimun wage or above. Minimum wage is exactly that. It is the minimum amount you can get paid doing any kind of work. There is also a law stating employers can't use tips as compensation for regular pay.
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#15495 - 12/04/08 07:39 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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http://www.dol.gov/wb/faq26.htm

Try again please. If you don't tip, they don't make shit. I would not know what to do if I wasn't making tips and had to rely on $6.55 an hour.
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#15496 - 12/04/08 07:48 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Disabuse]
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"State law prohibits using tips to calculate the amount of Oregon´s minimum wage. This means that all employers in Oregon must pay the full amount of minimum wage without benefit of a tip credit. All tips must remain the property of the employee except to the extent that there is a valid pooling arrangement."

Taken from: http://www.oregon.gov/BOLI/WHD/W_Whrest.shtml

Try again.
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#15497 - 12/04/08 07:52 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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That is just in YOUR state. Don't tell others they are wrong when federal law states it is possible. Not many states cover wages for waitresses like that.

Oregon a commonwealth?
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#15498 - 12/04/08 08:04 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Disabuse]
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I don't care about what other states do. I was referring to the one that I live in.
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#15499 - 12/04/08 08:08 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Disabuse]
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Oregon's not common in it, but they do have a higher cash minimum wage at $7.95 for "tipped employees," according to the US Department of Labor (http://www.dol.gov/esa/whd/state/tipped.htm). California is $8.00.

But if you make $8.00 in California, your ass is POOR. Trust me, I spent 20 years in the San Francisco Bay area, and people making that kind of a wage were the working poor and most often on the edge of going under, even if there were two breadwinners in the family.

As you can see from the chart, very few places in the US force a hard minimum, and the remainder ASSUME tip enhancement of the state minimum wage. Oregon's rate looks pretty good to someone in Kansas whose minimum wage, pre-tip enhancement is $1.59 per hour.
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#15503 - 12/04/08 08:50 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Last night in chat you brought this thread up… After a few minutes of talking you said it didn’t matter you do not care… I responded to you that you brought it up, to which you replied that you figured easier to answer me in chat than write a reply…

What you did not get and I did not expand on was I was saying you started it, meaning this whole thread… Why start a thread topic if you do not care? Then I come on tonight to see you still “trying” to argue your side of it… Funny you feel the need to prove you are right in something that you do not care about…

When you talk about things like you have experience and proof and then bam you are backed into the corner with proof of federal law… Saying well this is how it is here, I do not care how it is anywhere else but my state… Pretty fucking lame, I am beginning to see a pattern of you only caring about opinions that match your own…

Just like you saying you do not believe that giving a good tip will get you better portions or better food… Your loss, Me Jake and Fake know and benefit from being known at the places we haunt… But of course do as you will just please realize you clearly have limited experience in what you are saying…

In the end, “it doesn’t matter” to me…

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#15506 - 12/04/08 09:20 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: ta2zz]
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"to which you replied that you figured easier to answer me in chat than write a reply…"

Actually what I said was that since we were both in chat it made more sense to reply to you then.

"After a few minutes of talking you said it didn’t matter you do not care"

I don't belive I said that at all.


"I am beginning to see a pattern of you only caring about opinions that match your own…"

Why should I care about any other opinions? I can and have learned from different opinions, but that doesn't mean that I have to care about the opinion. Nor does it mean I have to care about the person giving that opinion. If I feel that an opinion is valid to me and that I can learn from it, I will take from what I wish. If someone says something you disagree with I am sure you would probably dismiss it as well. Unless you are smart enough to realize when someone has a point. Then you too might take from that what you wish.

"I do not care how it is anywhere else but my state"

Why should I care how it is in other states? I don't live in those states so I am not affected by it.

"But of course do as you will just please realize you clearly have limited experience in what you are saying…"

I could make the exact same statement to you.
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#15510 - 12/04/08 11:37 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: ta2zz]
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This is the power that tipping well will earn you. A few months ago I was out getting the groceries on a Sunday, as I typically do. It was 3 in the afternoon and I had a craving for some greasy food and a beer. One of my favorite local haunts is about 5 minutes from my house. I saw the doors were open and decided to pull in for a pint and some food. I walked in and saddled up to the bar, noticing there didn't really seem to be anybody there and most of the chairs were still turned up. One of the waiters I know came up and told me they were closed still. They didn't open for another 2 hours. He asked me what I was interested in, since there was only a very bare skeleton crew there prepping for the evening crowd. When I told him I would leave, he said no. You are welcome and we will do what we can to accomodate you. I placed an order for a beer and some cheese fries. The prep cook made my fries and I got my beer. They even turned on the tvs and asked what I wanted to watch. I ordered another beer and made sure I tipped them more than the 20%, which is considered very good. Any other clown that had stepped off the street would have been told to leave.

A few years back, I was in DC for a concert. I decided to wander around the area since I had arrived way too early. I was just strolling when a bar owner asked if I would like to come in and have a drink. It was the middle of August and about 1000 degrees with 100% humidity, so I agreed. I placed an order for a vodka and cranberry. The owner and I then struck up a conversation. He learned I enjoy cigars, and allowed me to smoke one in the club. He also learned we both share an affinity for very fine tequila. Which he then pulled out a very expensive bottle of Herradura and poured me a few shots. I inquired about a fancy bottle sitting behind the bar. He poured me a shot. I spent about 2 hours in the club, drinking and smoking and talking with this guy. There were quite a few other customers in there at the time. I asked for my bill and he only charged me for the one vodka and cranberry. Total was about $5. I gave him a $20 and told him it was all his. It was one of the best times I had. I was given his personal phone number and told any time I wanted to come back, call him, and he would have a table set up, cigars, tequila, and best of all......would not charge me an arm and a leg. That's the power of a tip.
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#15513 - 12/05/08 04:01 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: fakepropht]
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So it seems like you are talking about bars. I already stated that the only people I tip are bartenders. When I lived in Vegas, there was a place a few block from my apartment known as Dicks Tavern. During my first few visits there I tipped the bartenders extremely well. They in turn made my drinks extremely strong. I eventually fell on hard times out there. My girlfriend let her affinity for meth get the best of her and we lost our place. I decided then that we part ways. I ended up homeless in Las Vegas. Luckily I was still welcome at the aforementioned bar, given free drinks and allowed to sleep in the storeroom for as long as I needed provided I didn't create a disturbance to their business process. I eventually met the owner of the establishment and we became fast friends. He provided me with a place to stay until I was able to get back on my feet and find a more stable living situation.

Some of you have claimed tipping waitresses will insure a better dining experience and larger portions etc. Sure tipping might get you a better table, but does that really make a difference? Food is food, and it will taste the same no matter where you are sitting. As far as portions are concernced; those are tipically set by the owner of the restaraunt or the head chef/kitchen manager. The portions are decided by the amount it costs to buy a certain food product, the frequency in which the food is ordered and the amount of money it costs to pay the employees.

You may tip your waitress well, but when it comes to portioning; that tip will have no bearing on the amount of food you recieve. That is unless you have a good relationship with the waiter/waitress, cook, and most importantly the owner. The foundation of such relationship will be based on a lot more than the amount you tip when you dine there.

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#15517 - 12/05/08 07:11 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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You don't have to care about other states but if you are having a conversation (as you are) with people that don't live in your state then it might help to know why we are saying the things we are saying. Otherwise, you have a very limited source of information to back up your argument. I think you'll find this applies to ANY argument, about anything. When you don't care and don't want to know about the rest of the world, you severely limit your scope and gravely hamper your chances of success at debate. I suggest we limit this thread to people that live in Oregon, since that's all you want to talk about. I don't think you'll get much conversation on that route.
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#15529 - 12/05/08 12:45 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Really, is it too much to ask of you to tip a server a couple of extra bucks if they came right to your table after you were seated, got your drinks and entree order in and brought them out promptly, and doesn't make you wait forever for the check? We all know it has no bearing on the amount or quality of food-that's left up to the cooks. Ever heard of positive reinforcement? Tip them for good service, and just like a dog, they'll learn what earns them money and why they lose out on it if they suck.

Your refusing to add a tip for good service at the end of your meal makes you look like a cheap ass. You want to impress a chick you're on a date with? Don't give her the same spiel you gave us about "They make minimum wage and it's their fault they have a shit job". She won't be likely to give you any pussy or go out with you again. Generosity is a sign of a person who makes decent money, acknowledges someone providing them with good service, and also shows that they'll be a good provider, even if it's only a booty call or a first date. Many servers are college students who can't find a job that is willing to work around their school schedule. As soon as they graduate, or their load lessens, they tend to find a better job NOT in the service industry. So don't jump to conclusions.

It's all about image. What if you went out to lunch with a client, or business coworkers? Your not tipping after a meal doesn't reflect well on you. If you're hard up on cash, don't dine out. Or call in your order for pick up.

Your reasoning behind not tipping reminds me of a conversation I overheard a few years ago. A young neo-hippie was giving his date/girlfriend a hard time about her Starbucks coffee she was drinking, calling it "her corporate coffee", and basically just being a boob. Tipping is a social custom, and unless you don't want anything to do with the society you live in (including not reaping any rewards from it), don't bother.

Now if the service sucks, don't tip. If it's terrible, go to the manager and complain. Likely that server (or cook) will be written up and you'll get a gift card for that restaurant.



Edited by Nemesis (12/05/08 02:46 PM)
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#15554 - 12/05/08 08:12 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Nemesis]
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"Your refusing to add a tip for good service at the end of your meal makes you look like a cheap ass."

That is fine with me. People are entitled to make all the assumptions they want. I am not going to lose any sleep over someone thinking I am cheap ass.

"You want to impress a chick you're on a date with? Don't give her the same spiel you gave us about "They make minimum wage and it's their fault they have a shit job". She won't be likely to give you any pussy or go out with you again."

When I take girls out I rarely take the out to eat. I prefer to cook for them. From my experience women like a man who knows how to cook. If they are going to get all bent out of shape and refuse to put out because I don't believe in tipping that is their problem. Such superficiality is a turn off to me anyway.

"Your reasoning behind not tipping reminds me of a conversation I overheard a few years ago. A young neo-hippie was giving his date/girlfriend a hard time about her Starbucks coffee she was drinking, calling it "her corporate coffee", and basically just being a boob."

I don't know how that relates to what I have said, but ok.
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#15573 - 12/06/08 01:26 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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In my own experience tipping is purely based on the quality of the service and if you are statisfied at the end of your meal.
If you go into some little place and get some douchebag of a waiter, he takes forever and is just an obnoxious sob then don't tip. Why would you? He doesn't deserve it, screw him. On the other hand you get an nice one they joke with you, there prompt, and don't give you that "what the hell do you want" look then I see no reason not to tip. I personally tip between 20 to 30 percent, but thats only if I enjoyed my meal.
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#15586 - 12/06/08 05:36 AM Re: Tipping? [Re: Dherrick]
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I usually tip about 20% if I'm pleased. My grandmother started waitressing at 13 in 1925, and she took tipping seriously. She taught me that it's not just something to do if they don't deserve it. She always said even if you just have coffee and your bill is 96 cents, you should never leave less than a dollar per person at your table if the service was good. If the service was good, that's time they took away from their more lucrative tables to tend to you - and that's worth at least a dollar.
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#15631 - 12/06/08 05:09 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Picunnus]
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Its weird, last night I went out to eat at this club.
BB Kings in nyc, I was killing time before a show.
They added on an automatic tip to my bill.
I never saw that done on bills with parties of less than 5.
It was just me, and I was kinda annoyed by it.
There was no note in the menu, just an added service charge on the bottom of the bill. If I wasn't paying attention, she would have been doubled tipped.
It was actually less than what I was going to tip, but I was so annoyed by it that I asked the hostess about it.

Fucking tourists probably didnt tip, and they just made it a manditory add on.

I still not happy about that, but mostly because I have been there a bunch of times and only noticed it last night.
It just felt kinda shady.

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#15632 - 12/06/08 05:16 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: Morgan]
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Yeah, that's not cool. You should take it up with the manager, at least find out why they started doing that, and ask if they can leave it off next time you're there. Show them your license, proves you're a native
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#107359 - 06/28/16 03:44 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I just wondered how the people here felt about tipping waiters/waitresses. It seems to me that they are doing their job, which they already get paid for so I don't tip. 
It's just one of those quirky social customs like washing your hands after you pee. It's not as if I'm opening doors to public places with my donker. Anyone who's actually thought about this for more than three seconds would realize that, unless they routinely piss on their hands while making tinkles, it just plain makes more sense to wash your hands prior to doing so – but whatever: it is what it is.

Do I tip? Sure; where culturally appropriate. Is it weird? Yeah, man, if you think about it is is weird – absofuckinglutely. I just deal with it like I deal with income tax. I never see that money anyway, so for 364 days a year I just treat it as a tax my employer pays uncle Sam for employing me specifically for some bizarre reason. One day out of the year I spend figuring out ways to get some of that re-directed into my pocket, and even then I'm not too hung-about about it being an interest free-loan to the government. I only care about my net income at the end of the day. Conversely, but for the same reasons, I only care about what the bill plus tip amounts to. What it says on paper is just hypothetical weirdness that doesn't translate to the bottom line at all. Acceptance is often more a matter of fatigue than anything else.

Pick your battles. If that's a battle you have the wherewithal to fight - more power to you. I can't fault you for being right.
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#107386 - 06/30/16 11:09 PM Re: Tipping? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I have personally worked as a waiter for many years. I can tell you waiter/waitresses are severely underpaid. However, this doesn't mean you should go out of your way to tip them. They should earn their keep. If you think your server did a good job, then give them a generous (or extraordinary) tip. $5 is a generous tip. If you feel like you were ignored, or put off, then by all means leave them a substandard tip or no tip at all. There are plenty of times where I have unintentionally ignored tabled or forgotten/failed to meet their requests and I deserved what came to me thereafter. Also be aware that in a group of 6 or more (sometimes 5) the gratuity is automatically added onto the bill so read your bill before you actually pay it. The moral of my post is, if you enjoyed your service then please tip your server justly... It's not an easy job.
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