#15615 - 12/06/08 11:29 AM
Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Anthony West
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Registered: 12/03/08
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Loc: Germany
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I understand that there are a lot of young Satanists on this site who do not know a particularly extensive amount on Satanism. I'm going to do what a Satanist of my stature shouldn't for a minute and speak for other Satanists for a minute.
I know we can be annoying because we sometimes annoy each other even, but we want to learn more about Satanism and what it really means.
Whether our ignorance on Satanism comes from not thoroughly reading the Satanic Bible or just ignoring reality, young minds often don't completely grasp Satanism what what it means.
Overall, we want to know what you older Satanists know and what you want us to know. Tell us experiences and what they mean to you and how they helped you grow in Satanism.
Thank you and Sincerely,
-Anth and fellow young Satanists
(P.S. If anyone is angered that I spoke for them, simply contact me and I'll reword this thread so I am only speaking for myself.)
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#15626 - 12/06/08 04:12 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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Morgan
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Posts: 2303
Loc: New York City
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Dude,
Heres some stuff....
Its not an age thing......
Its an intelligence thing.
If you cant handle the conversation, shut up and read until you can form a concrete thought that has a basis in reality.
Dont whine, and cry about what your parents make you do. We all had it rough to some degree, it either makes you stronger or you become a lifelong victim.
Satanists are not victims. We learn, adapt, and work to make things go our way.
If you want knowledge, go read a book, go read many books.
Expand your mind, dont settle to be just like everyone else.
Finish school, get a job, support yourself.
Be responsible for your choices and decisions.
Satanism is not a religion, its more than a philosophy. It just is something that is either in you or not.
Dont expect to be spoon fed or get instant gratification.
If you want something, work for it.
Your status, intelligence, stupidity, and worth is measured by how others read your thoughts. If you write like an ass, your an ass. A black sheep is still a sheep.
There is a lot of information on this site, go forth and read.
Good Luck,
Morgan
PS:
D is right.
Peace is a lie.
That happy contented shit stops growth and development.
Ever see stupid people, they are always smiling and happy because they are too stupid to know any better.
Internal no peace, war within yourself to get the most out of yourself. Besides, the human animal really knows no peace.
Most Satanists aren't into the warm and fuzzy hippy tree hugging shit.
Morgan
Edited by Morgan (12/06/08 04:51 PM)
Edit Reason: added the ps bit
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#15646 - 12/06/08 10:24 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Picunnus]
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Phaethon
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That's why people say to you that even though you don't feel like you're being predictable, you are. You just don't know it because it's new to YOU. When it's not new, when you've lurked on these pages day after day hoping someone interesting will take the time to post something because YOU know from experience that it's highly unlikely you'll find stimulating conversation in your "real" life - when you get to that point, you will surely notice that new people always say the same thing (with small variations)!! At this point, you will understand what they mean when they rebuke you with "don't feed the trolls!"
Ah, so there is a benefit to being new it seems. After a while, it gets stale here. That's all the more reason for people to make the most of their time here before it gets to be too mundane.
And are you suggesting that those who are new here make absolutely sure what they are saying is completely new to everyone? Because the last person to say something coherent yet new to the world was George Carlin.
I can understand hatred towards those who are new and posting threads like "what is Satanism" or "lol I hate christians," but it is no easy task for people to say something that hasn't been said before. All they can do is check to see if a thread has been made along the same lines.
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#15656 - 12/07/08 12:19 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Phaethon]
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Jake999
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So I retract that staleness comment, instead may I say that it simply ferments? No longer the sweet bliss at the beginning, but eventually becomes stingily bitter yet rewarding?
A lot of the problem is that when new people come on to this or some other site, they expect those who they find there to just stop and catch them up on what things are all about. Consider this... A new person (let's use you, just as an example, not pointing fingers) comes on and tells me (not asks), "OK, so if Satanism isn't about worshipping Satan, why do they call it Satanism, because Satan..." I take the time to answer it... AGAIN... ten minutes later, someone else comes on and tells me (not asks), "OK, so if Satanism isn't about worshipping Satan, why do they call it Satanism, because Satan..."
I don't know what your favorite song is, but think about what it would be like if you were expected to recite it word for word, whenever anyone asks you to do it, 24 hours a day; while on the toilet, while watching a movie, while trying to work on a complicated task, while sick, while in the middle of a sports contest....
Looking at your profile, I see you're 16. I joined The Church of Satan before you were born. In fact, I joined the Church of Satan probably when your parents were preschoolers. How many times in three decades (plus) do you think I've been asked that same question by someone who thinks that I owe them the answer simply because I have it and they want to know?
Even a favorite song gets stale after you've sung it for over 35 years when someone just feels like they want to know what the words are. Pretty soon, you tell them, "Buy the goddamn record." That's why many of the "old timers" tell the newbies, "Read the goddamn book."
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#15660 - 12/07/08 12:59 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Phaethon]
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Jake999
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Maybe their should be a basic quiz to fill out in order to register. If someone fails, they shouldn't be able to even attempt to register for this site.
Who's "basic quiz?" If you took MY basic quiz, there's a very distinct possibility that you wouldn't be here. Questions like: "What plank of Pentagonal Revisionism might be seen as the emersion of the Satanist into self exile in the working world?", or "Explain why a runner in a woman's stocking plays into the Law of the Forbidden, and how can this be used in Lesser Magical operations?" See, to ME, these are pretty basic questions on LaVeyan Satanism... just scratching the surface. So, who's to choose the questions that allow participation, or make it an elitist club that sooner or later becomes a mutual admiration society or a bunch of "self elevated" monkish boors contemplating their own navels?
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#15664 - 12/07/08 03:52 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Phaethon]
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Bacchae
Satan's White Trash Neighbor
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we did the quiz thing years ago, and then we had to find the time to grade the papers, so to speak.
the current system works. open registrations, freedom to ask, contribute, or lurk, removal of trolls and assholes.
if a user sticks around and is interesting, articulate, and makes an effort we give them access to other sections of the board.
yes, this is a discussion forum like thousands of others on the internet, but many of us have been here, for better or worse, for 10 years.
no one "hates" new people.
we would lock this place down and sit and scheme and pontificate amongst ourselves for another decade if that were the case.
new people just need to realize that this is not a satanic outreach and information depot.
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#15667 - 12/07/08 04:19 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Bacchae]
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Jake999
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new people just need to realize that this is not a satanic outreach and information depot.
Excellent way to bring it home. Thanks
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#15674 - 12/07/08 06:54 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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Diavolo
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To me the youngsters here are a necessary evil. It's a wave that has to be endured to occasionally encounter a pearl between the swines. That might sound hard but such is reality.
All too often we are exposed to people and their questions that can easily be solved by them doing some effort. Questions like satanists and devilworship and the likes can easily be answered by checking out what Satanism is. There is plenty of info online somewhere.
I expect anyone that logs here to have, at least, some basic knowledge about Satanism and if not, to stick to 101.
What's the use of joining a forum you have no clue about?
Besides that, I don't feel inclined to teach anyone anything. I might debate something and say my thing, I might put my foot down on what I consider stupid but that's it. I'm no Buddha waiting for pupils to guide them to Nirvana.
I don't believe you can save them that can't save themselves.
People that expect such are confused and should find a saviour somewhere else.
D.
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#15691 - 12/07/08 12:18 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Diavolo]
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Anthony West
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Registered: 12/03/08
Posts: 43
Loc: Germany
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Thankyou! Especially Morgan and Picunnus for your input that pertains to the topic!
Especially Morgan. I'm sticking to my peace bullshit, but I understand your logic.
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There can be but little liberty on earth while men worship a tyrant in heaven
-Robert Green Ingersoll
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#15726 - 12/07/08 07:53 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: The AntiChris]
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Jake999
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I haven't a clue what Pentagonal Revisionism is and I don't care. I do not label myself a Satanist . It IS what I am.
THAT's the response of a Satanist... and why we shouldn't "have a quiz" for people to get into the 600 Club. If the person is interested in what Pentagonal Revisionism is, or any other part of Satanism from LaVey's standpoint, then they're responsible to look it up and find the answers that are out there. There's no test in life to make sure they got it.
Of course, being young and still in school, I can see why "a quiz" might be something that would pop into your "little empty heads," because in your world, education is measured in terms of quizzes and tests and things you can put on paper and hand in to show how good you are. LIFE isn't necessarily like that. Every day is a final exam, for the most part. You either know it cold or you're out IN the cold.
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#15734 - 12/07/08 11:48 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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Jake999
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THAT's the response of a Satanist... and why we shouldn't "have a quiz" for people to get into the 600 Club. If the person is interested in what Pentagonal Revisionism is, or any other part of Satanism from LaVey's standpoint, then they're responsible to look it up and find the answers that are out there. There's no test in life to make sure they got it.
That being said, I think that people should realize that we all determine the currency for our correspondences, both here and in real life. It's quid pro quo - something for something. Here in these forums, the bar is set fairly low, in most places. All that's asked is that one have a rudimentary knowledge of Satanism, or at least a grasp of the satanic. Those who don't find that they're quickly outted as posers, wannabes, shit disturbers, etc., and those impressions can be lasting.
But it's up to each of us to determine what our set-point is for interpersonal correspondences. How low or high we are willing to set the bar for access to our lives on a deeper level is something we should all think about and enforce. Limits are necessary to maintain one's personal sense of soverignity within his/her own life.
For example, if someone wants to start up a friendly relationship of any sort, there has to be a meeting of the minds. What constitutes this relationship? Is it congeniality, the occasional email joke or forwarding of some humorous email circulating the web... is it more... is it less? Each member of any such relationship must decide what the inclusion of an individual into their life means, what they intend to get out of it, and what they are willing to expend of themselves to maintain the relationship.
I get emails from people who really want to discuss LaVeyan Satanism with me. I don't accept many such invitations unless there is something that indicates that it's going to be a 50/50 (or better on my end) exchange. For example, I would insist that the person I'm going to be corresponding with KNOW LaVeyan Satanism. For a personal relationship on an intellectual level, they would have to know about Pentagonal Revisionism, and The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, and The Law of the Forbidden, and ECI and other Inertial Crystalizations and early LaVeyan history, his writings beyond The Satanic Bible, The Compleat Witch, and The Satanic Rituals... and even within those three volumes, how they apply and adapt to questions at hand.
That's not being elitist, as much as it's wanting to be a partnership of exchange, rather than me being the teacher to a sponge who needs entertainment. Same thing with music. If you don't know who ? and the Mysterians were, or why Frank Zappa thought that The Monkees were a valid musical representation for the youth of the day, or why Gene Simmons thought that Abba's Dancing Queen was one of the most perfect fusions of musical genres... well... how's the weather in Dubuque?
I have no problems with people setting their own bar for me as well. There are a lot of things that I'm not qualified to discuss or give a competent opinion on. That doesn't mean I can't learn, but it's not up to someone else to spoon feed me the knowledge to get me there. I know next to nothing of automotive or mechanical workings, higher math, quantum physics, writing or playing music (unless it's on a phonograph), and a host of other things. So while I might find some of the threads on these things interesting, I'm wise enough to keep my mouth shut and attempt to learn from those who can clearly express themselves on those matters. It's not a weakness... it's not a failure... it's a personal acknowledgement that I don't know everything and would be a fool to butt in just to be seen. Far better to respect those who do have the knowledge and try to learn.
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#15744 - 12/08/08 02:38 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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Butterz
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Posts: 77
Loc: Georgia
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When I was introduced to LaVey a friend let me barrow his Satanic Bible and Satan Speaks. He told me not to ask him shit until I read both. When I had finished he told me not to ask him shit about it. The answers are there and I needed to form my own opinions on what I had read. You can never better yourself by copying someone elses philosophy. Take in what fits you, read all you can and create your own structure.
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#15753 - 12/08/08 11:43 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Phaethon]
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Jake999
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If it does not make you happy, it is pointless. So why should anyone care about Pentagonal revisionism or ANYthing IF NOT FOR PURE JOY.
I agree with you... why should you want to learn anything new if you have to work for it? LaVey wrote The Satanic Bible a long time ago, and obviously, never had another thought about it again. Up until his death in 1997, he obviously never had another idea... never expounded upon the principles of The Satanic Bible... never went into any detailed explanations of why he believed what he did or what direction he envisioned for his Satanic movement. Nothing of import or interest.
All of the REAL information on what LaVey was or ever did HAS to be in what people write on the web. You already know how to eat... why have anything other than PB and J? You saw television last week... why watch it this week? You heard Herbie and the Heartbeats 1st CD... why bother listening to another?
Ignorance is bliss. It's been said, and I've seen some blissfully ignorant people. But knowledge is power. It helps you to develop analytical skills and refine your skeptical eye. LaVey's life beyond his initial penning of The Satanic Bible can't be of any interest. Although, he WAS an early promoter of the development of Artificial Human Companions (Androids)... but you don't want to know anything about that.
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#15756 - 12/08/08 12:51 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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Anthony West
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Take in what fits you, read all you can and create your own structure.
Butterz, I let this sink in for a second and it made some good sense. Thanks.
Like Jake999, promoted, I'm going to go learn things for myself instead of relying on this thread for information on how to live a Satanic life, or whatever I initially asked.
Thank you everyone, I'll now take my leave.
-Anth
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#15769 - 12/08/08 04:48 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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ZephyrGirl
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As an older person (I'm only relatively new to Satanism per say), I want young people to know that nothing, but nothing beats time and experience.
A 20 year old saying they've had a tough life, been through and seen alot and therefore should be treated with the respect I would give to a 40 year old, just doesn't gel in my head.
Sure, at 20, you may have been able to squeeze in alot of growing and learning and even have fully experienced being a child, being a child that did it tough, had to fend for self etc etc, but that is about all.
You can't say that you have the life experience yet of being an adult. Wait until you have been an Adult for as long or longer you were a child for and then and only then can you say you really have had experience at being an adult.
That's not to say there there are some really nice, cool, intelligent 20 year olds, but really, most just don't have the life experience for me to treat them as an equal.
Kids are often told at school that they are better educated, smarter and more able than the generation before them, or even their bosses. This attitude shows up in their first few jobs, because even with all that education, they just don't have the life experience or real world experience to really be better smarter or more successful than their bosses, get what I'm saying?
If you are a really good looking (well even an average looking) 20 year old, the world is at your feet in a way, but boy are you going to have to do a readjustment when you hit 30 and you're no longer the cutest or youngest girl in the room.
Even if you look really good for your age, trust me, unless you have a brain to back you up also, looks fade and become less important as you age.
I love being in my 30's. I've found it to be some of the best times of my life and I expect to continue to enjoy getting older as I'm sure Jake has (ha ha sorry couldn't resist).
I can honestly say, the best advice I can give someone young is to listen to some of the older people in your life. Some of your older Aunts and Uncles, you'd be surprised you may even did up a Satanist or Aethiest amongst them. You don't have to do everything they say, you should make your own mistakes, but think about the why's when they roll their eyes at you because you are going through the same age old relationship problems that everyone seems to go through no matter what age we are living in. I'm sure people had the same relationship problems in the 1800's as we do now. It's all just more open and you're not going to get stuck in marriages etc that you can't get out of.
Anyway, enough rambling.
ZephyrGirl
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#15783 - 12/08/08 06:01 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Jake999
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I love being in my 30's. I've found it to be some of the best times of my life and I expect to continue to enjoy getting older as I'm sure Jake has (ha ha sorry couldn't resist).
ZephyrGirl
Getting older isn't always fun, but it beats the hell out of the alternative!
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#17136 - 12/29/08 08:52 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Dan_Dread]
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spiderbreeder
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"I have only one thing to say to young people that think they are Satanists:Most of you are not now,nor will you ever be Satanists."
That would apply to a vast majority of young people who would consider themselves Satanists , but I'm sure there are quite a few jewels amongst the rubble... after all we were "young" too once apon a time!
On saying that,I can look back on my teens and reflect on the fact that I wasn't a "true" Satanist until I had lived enough years and had enough life experience to be able to comprehend what being a Satanist really entailed on all levels. I was a"Pre-Satanist" but definitely wasn't capable of the intellectual expansion needed to live life fully on the LHP at that stage... I don't think a lot of pre-adults are, exempting the ocassional supernormal exception.
Most of them could be classed as "Satanists in Training", I suppose, but only time will tell, years lived, and all manner of things absorbed and experienced, whether they really Cut the Mustard enough to call themselves a Satanist.
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#17146 - 12/29/08 02:38 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: spiderbreeder]
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Johnny
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Honest question, How would you know the difference between the true young Satanist and the fake ones you are reffering to?
Edited by Johnny (12/29/08 02:43 PM)
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#17147 - 12/29/08 02:52 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Johnny
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Thank you!!! you couldn't of put it any better
Edited by Johnny (12/29/08 02:52 PM)
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#17148 - 12/29/08 02:56 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Johnny]
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Dimitri
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Everyday is a new expierence and you have to take for what its worth. Your convictions wont be the same a year from now trust me. I am 21 and every year, every day as a matter of fact, im a different person because i always take in new ideas.
Saying this to jack actually is quite stupid. At least he is 40 years young/old. This compared to your humble 21.. well it makes you a bit worthless.. I'm not stupid saying such things. I know he is at least twice my age and I respect his authority. If he says something well.. I'm quite sure he has a jolly good reason for it.
This as a simple remark to your "Your convictions wont be the same a year from now trust me.".
Honest question, How would you know the difference between the true young Satanist and the fake ones you are reffering to?
Well at first they don't ask stupid questions of how becoming a "true" one. They simply are becoming one regardless what comments of others are.
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#17165 - 12/29/08 10:06 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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Mike
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Well I don't know about any of the other "younger Satanists" on this website, but I think whatever older Satanists have to say, regardless of if they want us to hear it, we should listen to. We should take what they say and apply it to ourselves. They have been here longer and therefore have had more time and experience than any of us, even if the age difference is a few years. Think about it, if it wasn't for our elders teaching us (teachers, parents, mentors, ect.) we would know absolutely nothing. They teach us the basics and then some, and we build upon that.
If you ask me, this thread should be titled "Things Younger Satanists Should and Need to Know".
Just my 2 cents on the subject. And thank you to all whom I was referring to. A word to my fellow "pre-Satanists", sometimes it's better to shut up and listen then to stay in a debate and argue..If you don't know that already, well then you will learn the hard way.
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#17166 - 12/29/08 10:09 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Dimitri]
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ta2zz
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Saying this to jack actually is quite stupid. At least he is 40 years young/old. This compared to your humble 21.. well it makes you a bit worthless.. I'm not stupid saying such things. I know he is at least twice my age and I respect his authority. If he says something well.. I'm quite sure he has a jolly good reason for it.
Thinking Butterz was really responding to Jake shows your lack of understanding in how this forum works mechanically... If you knew you would realize that he was not really talking to Jake he just used quick reply... Then again if you actually understood what you read you could easily see he is in no way talking to Jake... Calling Jake jack while calling another member stupid only doubles the attention to your own ignorance and laziness...
Now to answer the original question...
What things do older Satanists want younger ones to know?
My answer is simple and true... Nothing, I have no want for you to know anything... You are not one of mine, my click, or my family... Figure it out on your own and if you do or don't, well it's no sweat off my back either way...
~T~
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#17172 - 12/29/08 11:30 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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Fist
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I'm going to do what a Satanist of my stature shouldn't ...
This, of course, assumes you are a satanist. You, like many others who presume themselves to be satanists, are often little more than White Light Secular Humanists in dark clothes.
In most cases, a person will call themselves a satanist first, and learn about Satanism latter. For such people, like yourself, my first test would be to read "Might is Right." If it supports your currently held beliefs then most likely you are a Satanist. If you take issue with it, then I would really recommend that you look into what the Wicca have to offer.
Beyond this, here is some recommended reading for the young traveller.
Books of the Left Hand Path
I read most of these from about 13-18yo. It changed my life. Your results may vary.
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#17382 - 12/31/08 10:03 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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ACF
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I'm going to be honest, I'm 14 years old, live in a Christian home, and believe in the exact opposite. I'm LaVeyan, and when it comes to my family they can't know about it. I am all for my religion, believe in it 100%, and its a big part of me. I have done alot of reading on the computer learning what I can and asking questions from people who also believe in what I do. I would love to read the Satanic Bible, but being in this house and not of free age yet it is hard. Many times I've wanted to go out and buy a copy of the bible, or order it online but I could order it and have my parents find out about it. I would like to know everything I could about LaVeyan Satanism.
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#17402 - 01/01/09 12:29 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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ACF
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Thank you, I will be sure to read it. I will start now. What you say is true, but I have done ALOT of reading and research, talking with actual Satanists, and looked over conversations about it. I guess now it is the time to truely become one, if I have not already been one.
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#17447 - 01/01/09 01:34 PM
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ACF
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After last night, I have no read the whole TSB. But over the past, I'd say 2 years I've been reading parts, and big chunks of it. I wouldn't go into a religion without reading the bible, that'd be pointless. I recognize alot of what I've read. So my sources have been correct. Last night I finished reading the whole thing. But since it was my first time reading the whole thing, I'm not going to be able to memorize everything. It will take a few times of reading TSB before I can start remembering exactly what it said, word for word, and key phrases.
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#17494 - 01/02/09 07:07 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Yeah, Mike "The Patron Satanic Saint of the Youth"...
Just kidding, Mike, you've taken a lot of beatings over the years... some of which perhaps were meant more for these "New kids on the block"... too bad they weren't around a while back.
However, it's good to see you grow, in your very own, strange direction, instead of just regurgitating back some shit in which you don't believe.
As for the ass beatings, I'm sure they'll continue, whenever necessary. I for one, am just too tired to keep up.
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#17502 - 01/02/09 01:16 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Mike
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Yeah, Mike "The Patron Satanic Saint of the Youth"...
Now you're talking. 
Just kidding, Mike, you've taken a lot of beatings over the years... some of which perhaps were meant more for these "New kids on the block"... too bad they weren't around a while back.
Well for others who wish to learn could always search through some old threads and see what they can dig up. The reason I haven't been on here for a while was just that. I learned to shut up and listen.
However, it's good to see you grow, in your very own, strange direction, instead of just regurgitating back some shit in which you don't believe.
Thanks. It means a lot to hear this coming from people I learned so much from. At first I was so far from the truth I couldn't find the path to start on, and now it's good to know I'm at least heading in the right direction.
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#19629 - 02/04/09 09:11 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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I have some advice for the younger Satanist: Be strong, that's it. Strength is measured in your weakest moments. When you are feeling down and depressed, that is when you need to be a Satanist the most. This is what seperates us from the righteous, we don't bow down in humility in our weakest moments, instead, we forge ahead and fight like the devil. Right when the forces of natural selection rub against our lives is when we must become the Prince of Darkness. When it comes to who is a "real" practicing Satanist and who isn't, this is what separates the men from the boys: Who uses Satanism for the "cool" factor, and who uses it for survival.
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#19632 - 02/04/09 11:38 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Gratikus, that is indeed sound advice; however, if I may say so, it is lacking.
If one is going to tell others to be strong, then perhaps they might consider also giving suggestions on strength building.
One example, off the top of my head would be the study of "Objectivism," or in other words, looking at ones own problems from the outside, instead of internalizing them.
Making a list of possible solutions, and then taking ACTION to correct the situation. Even what I am suggesting is lacking, because it might take years of study and self analisis to be succesful in its application.
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#24438 - 05/11/09 09:22 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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Well let's see, some advice for a young/ new satanist
1st. read the last 4 pages again, after that, read some of the 10,000 posts & replays before you make your 2nd post. (after your intro)
2nd. "off the clock", plumbers, don't care to talk about pluming, drug dealers, don't care to talk about dope, & lastly, satanist don't care to talk about Satanism.
If you happen your way into the chat room, & we're talking about cutting the dingle barrys from our ass hairs, don't try & change the subject, ie. you say "Do you all ritualized just on holidays" Your just waving a red flag, in front of a bunch of bulls, that where happily grazing on some dingle barry conversation.
3rd. There are as many forms of Satanism, as there are Satanist. You will never be an OG-MUPPETEST, & you sher as hell will never be a Dan Dreadest. For if you agree with any one, 100% about every thing, then your a "sheeple', & satanest can't be sheeple, & vice-versa.
4th. Improvisation, to think you have to go "by the book" on any thing, for it too work, is complete bull shit.
examples.. lust rituals, all you need is some-thing to whip off on (if your a chick, a wet finger) "you say, you don't have a black candle", use a red one, green one, a Fn tiekee torch, "what you don't have a gong" so what! no bell? use a glass! ETC..
All one needs for a successful working, is the one main ingredient, DESIRE!
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#24517 - 05/13/09 05:22 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Satansfarm
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I began my satanic studies in 1975. You have an advantage now because you can read all of Anton LaVey's books. I had to wait decades before he wrote them all.
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#24688 - 05/16/09 07:27 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Asmodevs
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Here's how *I* define Satanism:
Many people cycle through many religions before coming to Satanism... because they are looking for something that actually works.
If you came here looking for some ultimate answer to all of your life's problems you will not find it here either.
Satanism isn't about Satan, seeing Satan as a god, refuting any other religion as inferior to Satanism or anything of the sort.
It's about YOU and what YOU believe in. The answer is within YOU. NOT finding emotional solace in some dogma by some false god.
It's about defining and defending yourself, your constitution, and your beliefs with strength and logical reasoning.
There are those here that will call you names, cuss at you and dismiss you like a bunch of highly irrational, bitter old, senile women going through menopause. It takes a big dick to call someone a name and dismiss them... but an even bigger one to challenge or support someone's claim by working with them to provide proof for or against it.
This is why I like to use the scientific method when I make claims in this forum and out in the world. If no one can stand up and help you prove your point to be physically possible through experimentation... then they are just as weak as they claim you to be. For they can not claim your weakness without providing scientific proof. Otherwise it is just an opinion, not a hypothesis, and holds no water.
In my *opinion* all religions, including Satanism and science will eventually all die out over time... along with the human race. We will never survive the entire lifespan of the universe as long as we maintain our identities as selfish individuated beings disconnected from others and our environment. The universe does not care who we think we are and what we prove through scientific reasoning to maintain the status quo or even to progress beyond it. It is only interested in maintaining balance within itself. I don't believe anything anyone says to support or deny this opinion I hold bares any relevance over time. This opinion will stand or fall on it's own over time.
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#24692 - 05/16/09 09:22 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Mike
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You remind me of myself about 3 years ago, when I first came to this forum. I'm not saying you have no clue, but if that's how you define Satanism then you aren't getting the big picture.
Satanism isn't all about ones inner self. Not all of your answers come from within. It's about retaining whats going on around you and learning from it, and in the end evolving from the experience. Satan has plenty to do with Satanism. The biblical representation of gods enemy (Satan) is a role model for Satanists, in my opinion. It's what Satan represents that makes up Satanism. All of that inner-self becoming all-knowing reaching enlightenment bullshit is just that- bullshit. You can't teach yourself everything, it all starts somewhere else.
In my *opinion* all religions, including Satanism and science will eventually all die out over time... along with the human race.
That's a nice thought, but it'll NEVER happen. The human mind just doesn't work that way. Even becoming a Satanist takes a drastic change of perception (for some). For the entire human race to eventually abandon religion of any sort, our human instinct toward those unanswerable questions would have to change. Bottom line, religion is part of human nature.
The universe does not care who we think we are and what we prove through scientific reasoning to maintain the status quo or even to progress beyond it. It is only interested in maintaining balance within itself.
You see, this is what I can't stand. You talk about the universe as if it's got a mind of it's own. The universe is mearly the infinite amount of space, time, and matter in which we exist. And what's all this about balance? A balance of good and evil? Or balance meaning an equal amount of space on either side of any point in the physical plane of existence?
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#24704 - 05/17/09 12:14 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Dan_Dread
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What I'm really curious about... If a Satanist is one who identifies himself with the enemy of god. What would you call one who sees god and Satan as an enemy?
And the crux of the reason that Satanism is mutually exclusive to Atheism emerges, albeit quite unwittingly. 
Satanism is not opposed to 'god', as that would be inconsistent with the idea of it being a religion of the carnal, the mundane and the earth. Once you are opposed to 'god', 'the devil' or any number of spirits,ghosts, demons, spooks and demigods (which all sit on the exact same epistemological playing field) you have left the realm of the real in which Satanism exists and entered the realm of the 'spiritual' which is in fact antithesis to the entire concept of what it is Satanism stands for.
If you see yourself as the 'enemy' of something you must first accept the existence of that thing. As far as we can tell, there are no gods, devils, or fairys. What does exist, however, in a very measurable and tangible fashion is the spiritual beliefs themselves and those that uphold them. Ultimately it doesn't matter if there is a god or not, because either way his followers are responsible for a society built on backwards values and slave mentality.
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#24758 - 05/18/09 08:12 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Honestly I didn't pay much attention to the new replies in this thread aside from this one:
Satanism isn't about... refuting any other religion as inferior to Satanism or anything of the sort.
To which I would respond with: Then why is it called Satanism?
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#24783 - 05/19/09 01:21 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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LaMaudite
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1. Stay off my yard. Fertilizer aint cheap punk.
2. Turn in down. I don't need to hear your hipity hop, I'm trying to listen to NPR.
3. Pull up your pants. You're going to trip and poke an eye out.
4. Slow down. 45mph on the freeway is plenty fast. Where are you in such a hurry to get to.
5. Use the phone at home like god intended. You'll catch the cancer with those things attached to your face.
That's all for now. Time for my medicine and foot soak.
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#24800 - 05/19/09 02:21 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Mike
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Satanism is not opposed to 'god', as that would be inconsistent with the idea of it being a religion of the carnal, the mundane and the earth. Once you are opposed to 'god', 'the devil' or any number of spirits,ghosts, demons, spooks and demigods (which all sit on the exact same epistemological playing field) you have left the realm of the real in which Satanism exists and entered the realm of the 'spiritual' which is in fact antithesis to the entire concept of what it is Satanism stands for.
I think there was a misunderstanding. What I meant by "opposed to god" was the opposition of the idea of a god, or what "god" stands for. I didn't mean teaming up with demons and acting against god.
Edited by Mike (05/19/09 02:21 PM)
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#24808 - 05/19/09 10:50 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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mmm, its been a while since Ive been on here...
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#24826 - 05/20/09 09:52 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Be Tame
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If everyone is so god damned different and independent, why the group hugging session?
Analogous to the economy at this time, if everyone is so correct in their thinking, why is everything so fucked up? How many MBAs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
If you are young, learn how to do something that is measured in dollars.
Satanism is The Satanic Bible. Move on from there.
When asking others for leadership, guidance and direction, you may want to ask what they have actually done as opposed to what they think.
I have been off and on here for ten years, too. There are knowledgeable people here.
Don't be thin skinned about responses. The stupid question is the question the experts were afraid to ask.
There is always going to be those that hover over the exchanges here ready to pounce and the inevitable parrot or two that chimes in. This is to be taken at face value as it provides nothing.
Learn what You can that has measured value and avoid the cultural constipation of satanists for the sake of Satanism.
I hate this analogy as I have a special needs child BUT, winning an argument on the internet is like winning a race in the special olympics. Even if You win You are still retarded.
I have kids that are more Satanic than most satanists.
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#24921 - 05/23/09 04:04 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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There is a difference between being opposed to certain religions, and being opposed to "God".
Satanists only oppose "God" on a purely symbolic level, just as Satan's existence is also held to only be symbolic... because God and Satan do not literally exist. If I seriously believed myself to be "the enemy of God", then that would be acknowledging the existence of God (which is outright retarded).
I don't completely agree here. While Satanists of course don't oppose god directly, which would be ridiculous because there is no god to begin with and thus opposing nothing can't be seen as anything else but a waste of time, they oppose all things god, which is of a different nature. I try to see it as the difference between satan standing up to god, and thus failing and how the devil and his methods were seen ages ago; trying to destroy or corrupt god's work. And that is exactly what Satanism is about, besides having some joy in living too. We are at war with all things god, with all things sacred, and thus blasphemy and putting that in action should be seen as a satanic approach to life. The Satanic Bible is blasphemous in nature because it questions and thus attacks the sacred, whether it is religious, moral or societal. Now while there is a difference between questioning the sacred and outright attacking it, like burning churches, I do not necessarily look down upon the second method. And it is not a matter of legality because legality is nothing but society’s morality. It is there to stop those that grant it the power it in reality never possessed. Legality is an as sacred cow as morality if one does embrace it without thought. Of course there are repercussions to everything and I assume any satanist is wise enough to see the cost/benefit of any act he makes, or is smart enough to use those that don't have that level of intellect.
I agree that some acts are pretty meaningless at some levels and that burning a church as an example can be seen as destroying something beautiful, but this beautiful has been build upon the destruction of other things beautiful and while I can't deny that in that they exercised their might is right, those returning them the favor do so too. Now mind you, I am not advocating or rallying anyone to get their can of gasoline and go out there tonight, all I am saying is that it does bring a smile on my face.
In the end, each has to decide what his Will entails and it is dependent upon the very society that person lives in but no matter where, there will always be things sacred that can not be regarded as beyond doubt and thus being blasphemous towards those will be an essential part of your being. How far one takes this depends upon their own need.
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#25556 - 06/10/09 03:22 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Nightmare
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There is a difference between being opposed to certain religions, and being opposed to "God".
Satanists only oppose "God" on a purely symbolic level, just as Satan's existence is also held to only be symbolic...
Yes there is a difference but a certain group of religions share the same ideas behind god. The Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and the Hindus all share the same idea, that 'be polite and love your enemy' bullshit. Therefore opposing god also includes several religions
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#25600 - 06/13/09 03:59 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Atralux Lucis
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I just wanted to point out now, after reading a page of posts, that once again I see the blatant arrogance of the so-called people who have lived the philosophy. Well I doubt LaVey would throw a little bitch about people asking questions.
I understand that sometimes the persons question that have already been answered in the Satanic Bible can be insufferable, but even the questions that arent in any literature are shut down by more 'experienced satanists'.
And the whole purpose of this forum is for satanists to get other satanists opinions isnt it? or even for people new to it whether read the SB or not to find out more?
One thing I notice about Satanists aside me is that they put a massive veil over it so the philosophy isnt spread to anyone else. Is this some kind of way of keeping themselves special? I personally speak out about the philosophy all the time, whenever asked, or in a general conversation. I dont veil it, how else can other people find a philosophy that may be for them if they arent aware of its existence?
Basically, if someone, who has read the Satanic Bible, and wants to know more why not help them out rather than hinder their quest for knowledge?
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#25617 - 06/13/09 08:05 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Mike
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Yes certain religions overlap with certain ideas about gods existence, but what do christians, jews, buddhists and hindu's have in common when it comes to their views on god? The "love your enemy" idea you're thinking of doesn't neccesarily have anything to do with god, it has more to do with certain religious dogma (10 commandments, ect.). To my knowledge not all buddhists even believe in a god, and hindus are polytheistic when jews and christians are monotheistic. Like The Zebu said, there's a difference between being opposed to a specific religion and being opposed to god. Many people are opposed to Islam right now, however not all of them are opposed to god. In fact, most of them are christians themselves. This is more or less a respect issue (as a generalization, most christians don't have any respect for other religions).
If one is opposed to God, it doesn't matter what religion your talking about. If it speaks of a God, no matter what else they teach (don't fight back, hold off from sex until marriage, blah blah blah) they're opposed to it from the start.
On another note, Satanism is an atheistic religion where there is no god, therefore a Satanist isn't technically in opposition with religion but the idea of a god.
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#25665 - 06/15/09 01:45 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Third-Side
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It's simply a matter of merit versus entitlement. Many come here expecting open arms and spoon feeding, which is in and of itself a critical misunderstanding of Satanic philosophy. By NOT accommodating every internet troll that believes they are a Satanist and NOT holding their hands as they try to figure out what it means to walk the left hand path, a lesson is in fact being imparted. Just not the one that was expected!
As Satanists are born, not made, only a certain type of person can truly wrap their head around what it is to be a Satanist, and fewer still are of the right cut to actually live it. Proselytizing is pointless as so few can ever 'get it' anyway. Cui Bono is a phrase that should be always kept in mind.
There is no 'fold' to bring people into. Those that belong here find THEIR OWN way here. Unfortunately, so do many others, but they are generally culled with due haste, and inevitably run off with a sore butt and a deflated ego.
Very well stated, as a matter-of-fact I haven't seen it stated in such a polite manner.......ever.
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#25673 - 06/15/09 07:39 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Saligia
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On another note, Satanism is an atheistic religion where there is no god, therefore a Satanist isn't technically in opposition with religion but the idea of a god.
It's interesting that so many people consider Satanism to be atheistic in nature. I suppose it depends on how you interpret the Satanic Bible, but I got the impression that it doesn't matter whether you believe in god or not, what counts is that you understand that if god does exist, he's obviously none too concerned with humans.
I don't normally like to quote TSB as I feel that this is something that is very christian in nature. However, I think a lot of people seem to be ignoring this particular passage:
IT is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God. The concept of
"God", as interpreted by man, has been so varied throughout the ages, that the Satanist
simply accepts the definition which suits him best. Man has always created his gods,
rather than his gods creating him. God is, to some, benign - to others, terrifying. To the
Satanist "God" - by whatever name he is called, or by no name at all - is seen as the
balancing factor in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering. This powerful
force which permeates and balances the universe is far too impersonal to care about the
happiness or misery of flesh-and-blood creatures on this ball of dirt upon which we
live.
La Vey clearly states that the actual name applied to god is irrelevant and that God is ultimately subjective. What he doesn't do is make the claim that god doesn't exist, merely that god, being an essentially alien entity/force is too impersonal to warrant devotion.
Now I've always considered myself pantheistic. I would argue that "god" literally is everything rather than being a seperate entity controlling the universe. I suppose a crude analogy would be that everything in existence forms "god" in the same way that cells form an animal. I don't know if this god is conscious and I'd be inclined to say that even if it is conscious, it would most likely be far too alien for a human to interact with.
This is a difficult concept to explain in a manner I would be satisfied with and I'm well aware that certain members here will take issue with it. However, I've always thought that modern people lack the fantasy and mystery that can be gained through bizzare beliefs and concepts. My belief in both magic and this abstract form of god gives me excitement and enjoyment, it fulfills my basic need for wonder. After all, what's the point in following the left hand path if you don't enjoy yourself along the way?
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#25695 - 06/16/09 07:08 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
[Re: Jake999]
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Saligia
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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear on this. The "god" I talk of is not something I worship or pray to and I don't claim that it's even conscious. I simply said I don't know whether it has any consciousness or not. As you quite rightly said, man creates his own Gods and in this circumstance I choose to use the term god to describe all existence as in my eyes this is the most apt application. I could choose to simply say that god does not exist and forsake my "poetic" application of the name god, but for me this would simply detract from the enjoyment of my life by removing some of the wonder that I crave.
With regards to the concept of "god" or "everything" being conscious or not, this idea stems from a single odd notion I held as a child and haven't been able to shake. I wondered whether everything living has a consciousness of some form (albeit an entirely alien one) or not. For example I wondered whether plants, bacteria and animal cells have any form of consciousness. This led me on to imagine the state of human cells, is our consciousness born from the collective consciousness of trillions of cells? Probably not, but the idea intrigued me. This in turn led on to the idea that assuming such a collective consciousness could exist, wouldn't that be what god is? Simply a name given to all vital existence.
Dan: I'll be the first to admit that I'm somewhat "fruity" as you suggested, however as I said, this is something that provides me with personal pleasure and is therefore something that I've always held on to. I always admired the way a child can use their imagination to entertain themselves for hours, a skill that sadly weakens as they reach adulthood.
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#25700 - 06/16/09 01:39 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
[Re: Saligia]
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Meq
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Hi Saligia,
Vexen Crabtree wrote an article comparing pantheism with Satanism which you may find interesting - although it largely focuses on Paul Harrison's "ecological" form which (in my view) somewhat confuses 'nature' with 'Nature' (i.e. in Spinoza's sense).
Richard Dawkins in his "God Delusion" described pantheism as "sexed-up Atheism". This really only applies to naturalistic pantheism though (which sees the 'god' thing more metaphorically) and not to more supernaturalistic forms which ascribe literal 'divine' attributes to the universe.
I was once close to a pantheistic view, as reflected in some of my earlier posts/articles here, however language does become confusing, especially where knotty words like "god" are invoked, so I prefer not to use such terminology.
I do however think there is value in a sense of reverence towards the universe or reality as a whole, this leads to an attitude of realism which (ironically) is anathema to most other notions of 'god'. It is also a large part of the scientific attitude of seeing things objectively, however fallible and infused with other human goals this may be in practice.
This does leave the individualistic or existential side of human existence untapped however, which is where something like Satanism or self-actualization comes in.
I once knew a guy with a tattoo of a circle with a line through it, which symbolizes this well. The circle, he said, represented life, the universe and everything. The line was his finite individual life. Juxtaposing the two does have a powerful significance, because although one's individual life is pretty insignificant from a cosmic perspective - it is pretty important from a human one.
How to reconcile these two is part and parcel of the human condition.
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#25709 - 06/16/09 07:50 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
[Re: Saligia]
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ZephyrGirl
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Originally Posted By: Meq
I was once close to a pantheistic view, as reflected in some of my earlier posts/articles here, however language does become confusing, especially where knotty words like "god" are invoked, so I prefer not to use such terminology.
I can see what you mean with this. I kind of made a mess of explaining my viewpoint back there.
Saglia,
IT is certainly easy to do especially if you are trying not to write pages of drivel. Glad to see you have taken the time to look around and read the forum. It is certainly worth it, as pretty much everythread goes off topic here and certianly this long, long ones do.
Thankyou Meq for that link, as I too have found it easy to use the word pantheism when describing quickly my idea of God, balance, the universe and life force. Like you said though, it does all come down to terminology. Labels, labels, labels. You have written it down much better than I could have so again, thanks for that.
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#28122 - 08/08/09 02:23 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Satansfarm
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I think Anton LaVey is somewhere, rolling on the floor and doubling over laughing into uncontrollable fits of belly aching mirth.
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#28126 - 08/08/09 03:52 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Morgan
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Here is a simple common sense one:
Don't whine or complain about someone to their friends!!!
It makes you look stupid for a few reasons.
1. You look like a baby who needs a time out.
2. Are you that stupid that you are complaining about someone to their friends?
3. The internet is a tool, just because you don't know people in real life doesn't mean others haven't shared a drink together in person.
4. You are the new guy, suck up the questions, the doubts about your intelligence, and your ability to have a clue.
5. Respect is earned, it is not freely given.
6. No one has to be nice to you. No one is paid to answer your questions or show you the way.
7. If you don't understand something, admit it rather than going on and off onto different tangents.
8. You are supposed to be a Satanists, if you don't like a situation leave. You do not have to put up with stuff you don't like. It doesn't make you a Satanist, it makes you a masochist.
9. When in someone else lair, respect it. Someone else is paying for it, and its not you.
10. Bring your A game here, otherwise you will be eaten.
11. Read and understand the board before opening your mouth, it makes you look less stupid.
I hope that helps some new people understand why complaining about shit will mostly get you no where.
Morgan
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#28162 - 08/08/09 11:16 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
[Re: Morgan]
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It doesn't really matter to me what anyone says about join this or
become that. I am on my own. There is no easy way out of life, not through Satanism, magic, LHP, whatever you want to call it.
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#31624 - 11/13/09 05:15 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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nocTifer
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...we want to know what you older Satanists know and what you want us to know.
I'd kind of enjoy it if younger Satanians came to know that fascism and Satanity are completely incompatible; that there are limitations to transgression beyond which one self-disables and destabilizes the foundations from which one previously was able to take action and choose.
I'd also like it if younger Satanists could know that the character of harshness, wrath, criticalness, judgemental upbraiding, sour jaded been-through-it-all know-it-all-ism that passes for authority is self-betraying and corrupt, that you can choose fluffy and friendly and it doesn't have to mean traitor or treason to the LHP. I like Hello Kitty.
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#31638 - 11/13/09 11:54 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Dimitri
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I know that no matter how silly and poorly-founded, how off-the-wall or disrespectful, how illogical or wrong, it is better to sincerely pursue your interests as a Satanian from your OWN perspective than to take up the values and views of others, even your elders, without any connection to what you are adopting. AUTHENTICITY and INDEPENDENCE are key Satanian virtues.
While I am an advocate in pursuing people to be and have authentic and independent ideas ( as far as truly original ideas exist..), I do not see any problems with possible advice given if you can learn from it or at least evade future problems with it. Even so, what's the problem with taking over someone else's views and opinions if you know/feel they make sense?
To actually "get-it" what the other persons background is leading to these conclusions, is yet another discussion which can last endlessly.
One's own perspective isn't also always right. A person needs a scheme to relate too, to make up his/her mind and value his/her actions. For this it is always best to see, hear and listen to others.
I'd kind of enjoy it if younger Satanians came to know that fascism and Satanity are completely incompatible; that there are limitations to transgression beyond which one self-disables and destabilizes the foundations from which one previously was able to take action and choose.
And why should fascism be incompatible with Satanism? Can you actually proove me it is incompatible? Fascism within my view contains certain correlations with Satanism. Same concepts, same ideas (not all, some ideas..),... guess it depends on how someone views the subject.
Btw: It is Satanist and Satanic.
Edited by Dimitri (11/13/09 11:58 AM)
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#31646 - 11/13/09 03:21 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
[Re: Dimitri]
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nocTifer
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hi Dimitri,
I think there is no problem with adopting someone else's views and opinions if you know/feel they make sense. that specifies a connection to what you are adopting.
my observation is that fascism's general tendency to remove freedoms and personal choices makes it incompatible with anything emphasizing individualism and authenticity. it may indeed be a semantics problem surrounding the term 'fascism' if this doesn't ring true to you.
I noticed your comment also on my use of the term 'Satanian'. I use this and 'Satanity' as terms indicating a larger envelope containing several Satanisms, each of which may be an ideology or coherent ideological system.
thanks for your challenges. 
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#31655 - 11/13/09 08:34 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
[Re: Morgan]
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nocTifer
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hi Morgan,
agreed regarding much of your post. our expressions aren't truly at odds. of course asking questions is an excellent way to learn.
that said, if someone opts to self-debilitate or sets themselves up for slavery or something, they may in fact remove their own options for the future. in a nutshell (whether due to personal choices or those contributing to sociopolitical regimes inimical to Satanian lifestyles):
"Stupidy iz reel and can hav lasting reapercushions."
which underscores the error of an important 'Satanic Sin'.
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#35268 - 02/08/10 04:56 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Asmedious
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^ Yeah, that! Been there and done that (more than once... I might be a slow learner ).
THREE times of getting in way over my fucking head it took me to finally learn this!!!
Note that each time it takes years to get out of a bad debt situation.
Once when I was young and stupid, in my late teens through early twenties therefore I find that excusable and a good hands on learning experience.
Second time in my late twenties when I figured I would buy just enough SHIT on credit to re-establish my credit score. Well I did re-establish it, and royally fucked it up again.
Third time in my early to mid thirties out of sheer stupidity and idiocy. Inexcusable, totally lacking responsibility and common sense.
Now I have been out of debt for about five years. I do have a bit of a situation with the IRS pigs, but that is being handled and doesn’t affect me much. However that situation arose from an innocent little mistake on my part due to not filing my income tax form right. Don’t see it as really my fault as much as a fuck up of the whole IRS system.
I have put a security lock on all of my credit information, which means no one can access it, not even me unless I find a very long set of numbers that they gave me to unlock it, which I don’t plan on doing.
Not sure what my credit score is, and I couldn’t give a fuck at all. Don’t ever plan on using it again, unless it’s for investment purposes and even then I would rather save up and pay cash if possible.
I sleep very well at night.
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#35285 - 02/08/10 10:36 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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ThinkingCap
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I will admit that others on this site are far ahead of my on their left handed path, but would never be so gormless to assume that their [insight] and knowledge applies in any way shape or form to my life...
...There is little knowledge that can be “passed on down the line” seeing as everything regarding YOUR situation is applicable to only you. The only thing that I will ever be so bold to ask of the more senior amongst us is the referral of books and additional literature that might be helpful.
This seems pretty narrow minded when talking about a journey that involves every aspect of your life. Granted, I am still a naive beginner on this path and in no way know what it means to live it fully quite yet. But it feels illogical not to utilize the resources available to you if they are willing to help you. I'm not condoning the expectation to be coddled every time you have a concern, but if you ask intelligent questions and keep your eyes open, there's a lot of information out there to be gleaned.
Of course, if you're clever then you'd probably be able to get the same amount of information by paying attention. No solution to your life issues are gift-wrapped and left on your doorstep, but there are plenty of tidbits you can pick up and ask for along the way that can make up that final solution.
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#35361 - 02/09/10 09:47 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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ThinkingCap
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I never stated that it was necessary to be taught, or walked through, the steps to enlightenment. That would be absurd. I am, however, questioning your claim that there is no knowledge to be gained from asking questions of people who have a more thorough understanding of Satanism from experience.
The subjective nature of Satanism only means that there are no straight answers. This becomes an issue only if the questioner is expecting a step by step explanation how to 'become' a Satanist or live their life.
But if the purpose in asking the question was to gain knowledge in general, then I don't see how the different perceptions would be a problem. It may actually lead to an epiphany that would not have happened if the questioner had stayed silent with their books.
This doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day it is up to me to decide what is right and wrong, and how I interact with the environment around me. But I don't understand why I couldn't learn from others' experiences and opinions along the way.
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#35417 - 02/10/10 12:38 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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Jake999
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Do not move toward Satanism as an escape from something else or out of hate. Move toward Satanism for what it is.
Clear and succinct. Says a hell of a lot in a few short words.
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#36160 - 03/08/10 04:08 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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XiaoGui17
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I can honestly say, the best advice I can give someone young is to listen to some of the older people in your life.
ZephyrGirl
I agree that young people (myself included) can fall into the trap of thinking they know more than they actually know, or thinking that their experience counts for more than it actually does. Just looking back at myself a couple years ago makes me cringe with how stupid I was, and I'll probably be similarly mortified a little in the future.
On the other hand...
I've also met a lot of stuck up geezers who think that the mere fact that they're now incontinent makes them experts on the universe. Granted, not all old people are like this, but there are enough of them that it bears mentioning. These insufferable blowhards were probably idiots when they were my age as well, and chances are this is just something they never grew out of. The only difference is that now they're using their age to try and lend themselves credibility.
As a general rule, I would say that all people get wiser as they age, but the starting point of wisdom and rate of improvement vary drastically from person to person. I can almost guarantee, assuming I don't get hit by a bus, that I will be much wiser ten years from now than I am now, and people I know are generally wiser now than they were ten years ago. They're not necessarily better than me. Often, but not always.
My biggest issue with this is when I meet a person way older than me who keeps making the same mistake over and over again. I've met people in their 30's, 40's, 50's, even 60 and up who have the same immature relationship issues you expect to see in 12 year olds. I'm always told that I'm in no position to judge them, having never been married/divorced/a mother (etc) myself. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. Just because I personally haven't been through your particular situation doesn't mean that I can't tell that you're doing it wrong.
Just because I'm not a mother myself doesn't mean I can't tell you're letting your kid run around like a brat and drive every other person in the room crazy. Just because I've never been married doesn't mean I can't tell you have an issue with going through husbands like popcorn. Just because I've never had the specific type of issue you're having with your ex-husband at this exact moment doesn't mean that I can't tell you're overreacting to what he said. Just because I'm not panicked about my clock ticking doesn't mean I can't tell it's dumb to try to deceptively get pregnant with a guy who doesn't want kids.
Worst of all, I'm sick of hearing older people whine to me about problems that I outgrew at my age. I'm not going to try and offer advice to someone older and more experienced; I'm in no position to do so and they probably wouldn't take it anyway. But don't come crying to me, and don't expect me to feel sorry for you, if I knew better when I was half your age.
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#37139 - 03/30/10 02:00 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
[Re: Morgan]
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Satansfarm
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If you embrace Satanism and you publicly announce that you do, there is a chance that you may lose friends, family may excommunicate you, you could lose your job or perhaps more than that. Still interested? Also, you may find that this is not a lovey dovey club. You may find just as many enemies among Satanists
as anywhere else.
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#37158 - 03/30/10 10:18 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn
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ta2zz
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If you embrace Satanism and you publicly announce that you do, there is a chance that you may lose friends, family may excommunicate you, you could lose your job or perhaps more than that. Still interested?
The problem here is not embracing what you are, the way you talk about it like there is a choice to be a Satanist or not. I didn’t have much of a choice but to use the title after discovery that others thought similar to myself. But I do agree that the younger Satanist should not expose him/her self prematurely. Things should be thought out and only done when there is a clear advantage. But a Satanist should know this.
Also, you may find that this is not a lovey dovey club. You may find just as many enemies among Satanists
as anywhere else.
While Satanism isn’t a lovey dovey club there are those who call all their followers family or brothers and sisters. In my opinion a Satanist wouldn’t fall into such an obvious trap of manipulation and would see what is truly happening.
Seeing as Satanists are such calculating individuals to become an enemy of one you would have to do something to personally fuck them over. Unlike the enemies one could gain from just announcing they are on this path.
~T~
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#37396 - 04/05/10 04:27 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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immortal1
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Hail all brothers and sisters. This is my first post on this website, and I have finally found a topic that I can add something to.
I first explored Satanism, or more so simply the Satanic Bible, when I was about 15. Now I am 33. I have been through a lot of self-induced crap in my life, and had blamed others for it for a long time. Now I have owed up to my mistakes and learned from them. Yes, there is damage done, but I am a survivor now, not a victim.
Jake, I feel your frustration in having to repeat yourself to people who are unwilling to do the leg-work and research themselves. However, without places and people such as yourself, I would not have learned what I now know. For a while, I had been living a lie with regards to my beliefs in a higher power. I was miserable and felt like a sham. Rediscovering Satanism, I found what was ailing me, what was missing from my life. Through conversing with others and my own reading, I have learned much which I now apply in my life. With renewed purpose and vigor, I have attacked life with ferocity, understanding myself more than ever, but with questions still to be asked, yearning always for more knowledge.
Those that truly desire and have a thirst for this knowledge should drink from the cup that overflows in anothers hands. Soon they will be the one whose cup overflows. So, please, with a discerning taste and subjective choice, grant to some who seek what you know.
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#39430 - 06/20/10 01:26 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Enkis As Sassin
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To young Satanists
There is more than what you can see, there is more than what you know. To achieve that level of "power," you reap what you sow. Many Satanists are mislead or only do a half-job and then fail. Not many will make it as a true dedicated warrior for Enki but with persistance and change, clear thought and understanding, will it bring you closer to the truth. Follow none but yourself, worship none nor the Gods of Duat. Listen carefully to what the Gods of Duat and other advanced Satanists have to say. The aim is to be in accordance with Father Enki's will. Unfortunately for some, many will only see Enki as a symbol and not a God of physical being. It is true that we can become a God but do not be mistaken, God is not derived as the Xian god, so when you think of becoming a God, you are not the all mighty powerful.
Satanism is based on yourself and only yourself, the connection you have with the Gods of Duat and Father Enki himself. As you empower yourself to achieve ascension, so are others which makes the kindred of Father Enki even more powerful as time goes on. If doubt crosses your mind, void meditate to clear your thoughts and be centered again. Many make the mistake that Satanism is based on the physical, it is not, it is both physical and spiritual. Your soul and mind is the driver of your physical body and not your physical body.
Last but not least, be emotionally controlled. The enemies of Duat and Father Enki are in large numbers and have been for ages. Falling prone to uncontrolled-emotions is a crack in your shield. Be strong, have trust in HIM and the Gods of Duat.
Keep your advancement as private as you can and share only with trusted Warriors of Father Enki. One mistake could be the end of you and i mean not death.
Remember, In Satan We Trust, Do What We Must.
(To all the LaVeyans - you know there is truth in my words)
Hail Father Enki
Hail The Gods of Duat
In His Service
Iaidon Baltan, HS!
Regards
Enkis As Sassin
Clergy of AoS (Age of Satan)
Founder of SASC (South African Satanic Community)
http://www.ageofsatan.co.cc
http://www.satanic666path.peperonity.com
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#39431 - 06/20/10 01:50 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Dimitri
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There is more than what you can see, there is more than what you know.
Is it? My first reaction would be that it is an obvious statement, but regarding the contonation of your post and give away view you have I think you are a bit on the woo-side.
Follow none but yourself, worship none nor the Gods of Duat. Listen carefully to what the Gods of Duat and other advanced Satanists have to say. The aim is to be in accordance with Father Enki's will.
I sense a contradiction here...
(To all the LaVeyans - you know there is truth in my words)
Yeah right...
Been blowing too hard on those vuvuzelas?
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#39434 - 06/20/10 02:50 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Phobos
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Remember, In Satan We Trust, Do What We Must.
You know, when I was in college I used to study English modality. My teachers told me that "must" implied an external will by which the colocutor had to abide. They called it "deontic modality" (obligation, coercion). It's strange for a Satanist to find such poor ideas/rimes...
Anyways, Enki is like Hitler? "88!" = "Heil Hitler!"?
"The parasitic kikes, xians, and Muslims have plauged this Earth long enough". You're so full of win :]
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#39435 - 06/20/10 03:06 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Jake999
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[quote=MawhrinSkel]
Who are these gods of Duat of which you speak, and why is it imperative that I not worship them? I mean, I wouldn't anyway, so warning me of their worship as though it were something contagious is kinda moot.
Duat in the ancient Egyptian was the place were your spirit went after death. It's also seen sometimes as Tuat. Osirus would be the ruler of the Duat, and gods beneath him. The Duat is also the region that Ra traversed at night to rise again i the morning. This is referenced in the Book of the Dead and of course in The Book of Gates where in hour 3 of the night, at the Gate of Tchetbi, we read about the GODS OF THE DUAT towing the great barge. (http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/bookgates3.html)
Might have some Setian meanings, but it's just another bit of mythos and probably not even known to most "LaVeyan Satanists."
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#39456 - 06/21/10 11:04 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Enkis As Sassin]
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The Zebu
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You didn't seem to come here looking for a fight, so I won't go apeshit on you like the nasty little voice inside me tells me to do. However, I have some serious issues with your logic.
If doubt crosses your mind, void meditate to clear your thoughts and be centered again.
WORST. IDEA. EVER. This is just like Christians saying "if you have any doubts about the goodness of God, just clear your mind and ignore it! Think happy thoughts!"
I mean, LISTEN TO YOURSELF. You're saying "ignore anything that might contradict your belief system". This is the very definition of narrow-mindedness.
If your ideas have any worth, they should be able to withstand scrutiny and logical evaluation. Otherwise you've just been duped into another delusional religion promising you sky-cake.
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Why only "Young" Satanists? Because they are more impressionable with illogical concepts? Young Satanists have a tendency to cling on to whatever ideas they hear, because there is still an ideological wound from their internal split with Christianity. The last thing you need to do is indoctrinate them into ANOTHER absurd patriarchal religion.
There is more than what you can see, there is more than what you know
What gives you authority to tell us what we SHOULD see and know? What are your credentials that let you assert that Satan is Enki and he can communicate telepathically or whatnot with people? Are you some sort of holy prophet with astounding revelations of the universe? Or just another dude who read something cool on the internet and decided to regurgitate it because it sounded neat and gave him a ritual boner and a trippy "spiritual experience" or two?
Satanism is based on yourself and only yourself, the connection you have with the Gods of Duat and Father Enki himself.
It's times like this I wish I had a hotkey for the phrase "One of these things is not like the other".
Many make the mistake that Satanism is based on the physical, it is not, it is both physical and spiritual. Your soul and mind is the driver of your physical body and not your physical body.
Here's a little insight. If it exists, it is physical. If the "spiritual" exists, then it is merely physical phenomenon that we cannot presently describe.
In the ancient world, people thought that the laws of physics did not apply in space, and that the planets and stars were governed by divine forces and gods and demons. When we finally got there, we found a bunch of rocks bound in gravitational movement around a big fiery ball of gas.
The lesson? Scientific truth is often a bit more boring than our superstitious imaginations would like to tell us. Just because there is a present void or anomaly in our experiential knowledge doesn't give us license to fill it with demons or angels or magical pink unicorns.
Last but not least, be emotionally controlled. The enemies of Duat and Father Enki are in large numbers and have been for ages. Falling prone to uncontrolled-emotions is a crack in your shield. Be strong, have trust in HIM and the Gods of Duat.
Oh great, another cult of paranoia locked in a cosmic battle of Good vs. Evil.
One mistake could be the end of you and i mean not death.
Like ending up in Hell? Or Heaven- since God is actually the Devil... But if Enki is the Devil, who is actually God, then... waitaminute... GODDAMMIT, THE CONFUSION!
What makes you think that Enki likes being called by the name of a "Hebrew Fiend"? (Sorry, Michael, it's a nice line, had to do it). Why don't you worship Enki with Chaldean incantations and cuneiform tablets like he was historically? Or is the whole "Enki" thing an afterthought and an excuse to use pentagrams and goat-heads and goetic sigils by convincing yourself it's actually part of an ancient Eastern religion?
In conclusion... we Satanists have left Christianity and other faiths because they are outrageous dogmas mired in superstition, paranoia, narrow-mindedness, and ignorance of reason and reality... what makes you think that any rational person would want to buy your ideas you're peddling when they're THE EXACT SAME THING AS CHRISTIANITY? I'll pass, thank you.
Overall, I think this response might not even matter to you, since you admit to deliberately ignoring anything that doesn't fit into your belief system. (The very embodiment of ignorance) This might have even been a "hit and run" post, where you feel like some self-righteous "Warrior for Enki" battling against the forces of LaVeyan Atheism and persecution, and then smugly retreat back to your little corner of the internet, hoping that at least one or two people might stumble across your post and become filled with religious zeal.
All I can say is, wake up, dude. Smell the goddamned coffee.
Edited by The Zebu (06/21/10 11:15 AM)
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#39518 - 06/23/10 11:40 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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Fnord
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Overall, we want to know what you older Satanists know and what you want us to know.
When a young person registers for discussion(key word) on a site like this one and posts an intro thread that starts off...
"I'm new and I haven't read the Satanic Bible..."
I stop reading the intro.
One can familiarize oneself with the basic tenets of Satanism in an afternoon. Application and understanding and study are lifelong... but the basics are simple. Do a little homework.
Edited by Fnord (06/23/10 11:41 AM)
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#39609 - 06/27/10 10:41 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Marcel Fontaine]
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Michael A.Aquino
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Just a word of advice to the young people who are considering Satanism. If you want to know all about Satanism go to the bookstore and buy The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey that book will tell you all you need to know about Satanism.
No it won't, actually. Its "Book of Satan" and "Enochian Keys" had nothing whatever to do with Satanism, and the "Book of Lucifer" essays & "Book of Belial" ritual instructions reflected and were pertinent to the Church of Satan 1966-69. Within a year of its 1970 release, the SB was already obsolescing within the Church as the depth, implications, ramifications, and scope of Satanic theology, philosophy, and practical application continued to evolve.
Someone curious about Satanism would be better advised simply to visit the 600C and read extensively around it. I have said it before: Most of the posters here are impressively sophisticated and have taken the time & brainpower to really munch on this concept. What emerges is obviously not homogenous, but arguably Satanism neither need nor should be that. [The only pontificator here who is completely right all the time is of course myself.]
As for the original question of this thread, I would say [as I usually do] to anyone curious about "Satanism": Go away and try everything else first. If one of them punches your ticket, you will be happy and save Satanists the trouble of dealing with someone who really wants to be a Buddhist, Thelemite, Wiccan, Catholic, etc. Like Parsifal or Siegfried, the true seeker of the Black Flame must be pure of soul to perceive and receive it. Then there is no going back.
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#39647 - 06/28/10 10:48 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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NeoZombie
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Here is all the rage in the latest spiritual technology, Eye can either fallow the white light or crawl out the dark tunnel and back into the universe. We shall celebrate the divinity of life or horror in the glory of war. Any religion that has been built on a bedrock of blood is nothing more than a bastardized flipper-baby fit for the grill.
ta ta ;-)
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#40004 - 07/05/10 10:31 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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Wicked Satanist
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My biggest piece of advice to those starting out on their path is three fold. 1. Take Everything With A Grain Of Salt. 2. Don't Believe Everything You Hear Just Because Of Who It's Coming From. 3. Question Anything That Doesn't Sit Right With You.
I'd like to share a quote from a World Renown Religious Leader... "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything simply on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." ~ Buddha ~
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#43149 - 09/22/10 03:14 AM
Re: What Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: exadust]
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nocTifer
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...I would like some feedback on what I should expect in the years to come! ...
without knowing more about you and how your Satanism is playing out, it's very difficult to make such an assessment, but i'll do my best.
presuming that the greater hurdle of the satanic moral panic is behind us, and (at least in English speaking environs) secular authorities have put that subversion folklore to rest rather stridently for the foreseeable future, we are beginning to see additional waves of what i have labeled the Great Martyrdom Cult constructing more extreme goth-horror religious sects. these are more and more amusing in their character and ideologies, and what started with witchcraft religion in the 1950s and graduated to satanist religion in the 1960s was followed by vampire religion in the 80s-90s, an attempt (someone just wrote a Bible to reinvigorate it after Schreck and Co.!) at werewolf religion, and, so far in the late 90s and early 2000s, a demon-worshipping religion (text by Connolly et al is slightly better than other pitiful Lulu baubles for its chewability, but still silly and ignorant in spots). whereas i have outlined the theme in "Manifesto Satanika", the exact forms and characters will be amusing and surprising (the most fun i've seen so far is attempting to turn what is called 'the Cthulhu mythos' into a 4th Way vehicle).
meanwhile, the LaVeyan Satanism dynasty portion of our Satanity has crumbled a bit with the Death of Black Pope I, and the veneer has worn off of the sideshow pioneering that was the Church of Satan. cogent theistic and independent alternatives have been advocated in comparison and contrast, and a pop-cultural whorl from which to draw has roiled up during the last of the 20th century and initiated a post-modern, post-mortem phase to this Frankenstein Satan-monster. with blockbuster horror, multi-A and B-movie Fausts, and such comical escapades as Little Nicky dotting that provisual landscape, there is only ever more from which to choose to construct a modern self-religion of aesthetic delight and stimulation.
I think you'll witness the complete deposition of the Church of Satan as it gets more firmly behind the notion of individualism as the basis for Satanian virtue, else chance being left behind as a dinosaur. you'll probably see the rise of more blatant theistic Satanism and a flourish of controversy as its tentacles continue to manifest instances of all the issues indwelling to religion across the globe (human and other animal (pet!) sacrifice, abandoned historicity, unnecessary hierarchy, and of course the usual sociopolitical demons of the last century in fascism and serial killer motifs, at times combined with whacky Hermetic ancient Sumerian astronauts!).
pursuant to the theme of demon-worship, we can expect to see comparable ideological constructs as were featured in Asetian Biblical advocation, integrating reincarnation fantasy elitism and possible predatorial supremacy. within the novelty there will probably be role-playing emphasis on what 'being a demon really is', with legitimizing focussed on transphysical Hermetic world-hatred on the order of Gnosticism or misunderstood infantile sex-repression (BDSM role-playing). the best aspects of this will probably be epicurean and ecological, but given the likelihood that it will also sport an extensive mythos and may lay claim to ancient astronauts or Nine Unknown Men Illuminati Templar conspiracies, its finer aspects are liable to be buried in a heap of unsalvagable trash.
truly forward-looking aspiration in an intellectual mode such as is featured in the Temple of Set and the Dragon Rouge and other worthies may surpass the cul-de-sacs of ceremonial magic and Thelemic Beast-worship. if so, and they can somehow let go of their interests in looking back to Neopagan glories or into never-extant fantasy realms, they may offer conventional society something more potent as an alternative to secular ennui and existential angst.
where you may fit into any of this or how much of it you may encounter is very difficult to know, because it will depend on your proximity to the genius bringing it about, and your interest in seeking out whatever isn't near to you. the internet is likely to be an assist in this regard, and we are all blessed to have it available. the World Map feature of this site, in combination with a variety of networking devices such as instant messaging and Twitter, make possible connection to innovation in a timeliness unlike what has heretofore been known to the Satanic newbie.
Edited by nocTifer (09/22/10 03:22 AM)
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#49108 - 02/18/11 03:33 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Anthony West]
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Hegesias
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Practical experience will illuminate the Dark in the self and all around, books are the subjecture of others, abstractions. Go to the abstractionless Source, assert your Sinister Will to Power through and over opposites in real life, presence the Dark through Sinister deeds and be vitalised. Be inspired to make your own path back to the crossroads where opposites come from—The Dark Night of the Soul. Cultivate Dark empathy. Use the images and ethos of that which was once your own conditioning to bring about anarchistic causal change and create new.
To never submit to anyone or anything including established orders of Satanism, out with the old and in with the new. Young people are the new.
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#49142 - 02/19/11 12:06 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Hegesias]
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Dimitri
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Practical experience will illuminate the Dark in the self and all around, books are the subjecture of others, abstractions. Go to the abstractionless Source, assert your Sinister Will to Power through and over opposites in real life, presence the Dark through Sinister deeds and be vitalised. Be inspired to make your own path back to the crossroads where opposites come from—The Dark Night of the Soul. Cultivate Dark empathy. Use the images and ethos of that which was once your own conditioning to bring about anarchistic causal change and create new.
You could have shortened it down towards "get out and away from behind the computer screen and start living (/experiencing) life". But then again, repeating that one sentence 100x will still result in people staying in cyberspace while chatting about their work/school or little escapades, not knowing there are things beyond that.
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#49160 - 02/19/11 05:17 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Dimitri]
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Hegesias
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Simply going out and experiencing life does not necessarily advocate a practical application of any established or otherwise ones own Satanism/ Satanic philosophy, nor would simply 'getting out there' be indicative to the cultivation of sinister empathy for that matter. The world is populated by go lucky Homo Nullus pottering all over the place 'experiencing life', for all it's materialistic comforts and low level stimulation. In fact living bereft of human interactions for a peroid of some months will enable the initiate to attain a certain one-pointedness meditation/ insight into Him/ Herself.
From His/ Her study environment a Satanist may create/ forge swords of death, these would be Sinister musical or literary compositions to influence, create disruption/ causal change upon releasing them into the causal continuum. At the place of His/ Her study is as good as any. A subversive Sinister intellectual for example would at some point require to be preserved and fulfilled by the opposite more extrovert aspects of his potential. The point is to do Sinister deeds, what these are depend on the Sinister individuals natural Occult abilities among the other factors that also ought to be cultivated.
Sinister feminine traits/ abilities such as esoteric empathy and masculine Satanic qualities/ traits such as the assertion of Will to Power to be cultivated/ asserted through practical field work. A small group of Satanists/ participants may arrange a series of mental/ physical 'tests'. Building Sinister character, experience.
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#49162 - 02/19/11 06:23 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Hegesias]
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LucyFur
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So basically, you are saying that in order to be a Satanist you need to go live in a cave and contemplate your naval (using your third eye, of course) for a period of time to cultivate your sinister empathy in order to be a sinister intellectual so you can go do sinister deeds with your natural occult abilities, sinister traits and sinister character.
Yeah, I get it.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Simply going out and experiencing life does not necessarily advocate a practical application of any established or otherwise ones own Satanism/ Satanic philosophy, nor would simply 'getting out there' be indicative to the cultivation of sinister empathy for that matter. The world is populated by go lucky Homo Nullus pottering all over the place 'experiencing life', for all it's materialistic comforts and low level stimulation.
So, what the fuck is wrong with experiencing life and its materialistic comforts?
Am I in the wrong forum? I thought I was on the Satanic forum, not the grotto of sinister virgin monks and wizards forum.
my bad.
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#49165 - 02/19/11 07:20 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Hegesias]
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Jake999
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Simply going out and experiencing life does not necessarily advocate a practical application of any established or otherwise ones own Satanism/ Satanic philosophy, nor would simply 'getting out there' be indicative to the cultivation of sinister empathy for that matter. The world is populated by go lucky Homo Nullus pottering all over the place 'experiencing life', for all it's materialistic comforts and low level stimulation. In fact living bereft of human interactions for a peroid of some months will enable the initiate to attain a certain one-pointedness meditation/ insight into Him/ Herself.
Being able to afford materialistic comforts is by no means "un-Satanic." You've been doing well to this point, as far as the ONA talking points go, but having been poor enough to open a can of cat food for dinner and making it by my own efforts to afford a few luxuries in life, I can tell you that you can be just as Satanic with a full belly as an empty one. The difference is that when you're not trying to be "sinister," and oh so evil, you save the time in posturing for development of your skills and your knowledge base.
There's the old saw about the man who climbs the mountain to ask the guru living in a cave for wisdom. When he makes it to the guru's cave, he asks, "Oh great guru, what wisdom do you have to pass to me?"
The guru looks up from his meditations and says, "Living in a cave sucks."
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#49170 - 02/19/11 09:43 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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Hegesias
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What we do need to do is cultivate our innate Sinister/ Dark empathy with other beings, Nature/ the cosmos. To be in esoteric recognition with nature is built into us where abstraction, words and even consciousness does not pervade—it is our Sinister nature, we are the links to the Source of the Dark all around. In a simple way this means that Western Occultism is the product of Nazarene/ Hebrewish abstraction. Controled opposition, inversions of stasis is not bringing about anything much to do with change or the new.
Nobody can teach you to be a 'Satanist' because such a term is so enveloped in hebrewish/ Nazarene faeces these days that it's hard to wash off all the abstraction and be one with the Source, our Sinister nature. But in all seriousness, the use of this name Satan to strike fear into mundanes and to infiltrate forms of order such as Satanisms has it's object away from that in our own traditions. The Sinister current on the other hand is something very real and evident within us and Nature. Not everything in Nature is Dark but it may be presenced at certain times and places such as the culmination of the Dark within the wolf before the release—gnashing the prey to pieces, the Sinister inspiration of a poisoner, alive and evolving, quickening and stimulating her Dark intellectual activity as she smiles inwardly entertaining her victim before 'manifesting the Dark'.
We are the Sinister and this cannot be intellectualised nor consigned to the limited media of words or any established ethos. We will move through all and any of the worlds orderly systems and adapt to them whilst asserting and permeating our Sinister essence into everything. We are shapeless, We are change, we are heresy, we are Sinister.
Hegesias
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#49173 - 02/19/11 11:15 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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LucyFur
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Being able to afford materialistic comforts is by no means "un-Satanic." You've been doing well to this point, as far as the ONA talking points go, but having been poor enough to open a can of cat food for dinner and making it by my own efforts to afford a few luxuries in life, I can tell you that you can be just as Satanic with a full belly as an empty one. The difference is that when you're not trying to be "sinister," and oh so evil, you save the time in posturing for development of your skills and your knowledge base.
There's the old saw about the man who climbs the mountain to ask the guru living in a cave for wisdom. When he makes it to the guru's cave, he asks, "Oh great guru, what wisdom do you have to pass to me?"
The guru looks up from his meditations and says, "Living in a cave sucks."
Exactly. If I want to hear about the evils of materialism I will go to the Baptist church, or better yet, turn on one of those TV preachers whose wife is decked out in diamonds and furs. It's easy to talk about the evils of materialism when you have never been hungry.
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#49175 - 02/19/11 11:27 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Diavolo]
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LucyFur
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This is the right forum my dear but some of us are quite different compared to Satanism as is. You are of course free to define your Satanism as you prefer but there are people that see it rather different. D.
Ah yes, Diavolo that is true. My remark was aimed primarily at the anti-materialism remark as monks typically take a vow of poverty and cut themselves off from society. Perhaps in my haste, I did not make that clear enough.
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#49182 - 02/20/11 12:42 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: LucyFur]
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Hegesias
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The object of my post has been put into in misrepresentation, so thank you for the opportunity to juxtapose:
The difference is that when you're not trying to be "sinister," and oh so evil, you save the time in posturing for development of your skills and your knowledge base. [sic]
So to impose that seeking knowledge, that the development of skills is somehow separate from what is evil because there is a supposed 'trying to be so' involved wasting the time of a Sinister individual is fallacy. Why? because those who are Sinister are Sinister and do not 'try to be Sinister', we assert our Will and nature into and over all we do. Dialectics will not be discussed/ detailed on this particular board any more most likely because I will be repeating earlier posts that were clear enough. But I will say that opposites reinforce/ fulfil one another so without breaking out of ones comfort zone ones all mighty self might as well be built upon quicksand.
Rather it is clear that I was pointing away from the pitiless painting of societal banality. They who spend their lives grovelling for the slave rations, hay and a barn that society offers them like well praised beasts of burden. That we can bring about actuality/ change from our unmanifest potential instead of accepting mediocrity.
Obviously we have 'things' in our lives, I don't have a t.v. but I have books, some of which you all surely own as well, my living room in my flat is a gym, Olympic plates/ bench etc. I have my musical instruments. There is a 'difference' between what are the tools that can aid our progressions, manifest our inspirations, and what are simply the cheap gimmicky gadgets made to entertain worthless mental cripples and deluge them in what they deserve.
I was homeless for over a year and part of that was 2 months rough continuous and never went hungry. Back to the quiet wood where I was staying, behind a Christian church. I would go there late, and listen to the silence of night. Time went so slowly and the whole experience was one of my most important learning experiences, as this alone time helped cultivate a lucid intelligence that outsiders might know as misanthropy.
Independence is something that hubris mundanes mistake for being subserviently assimilated into the grid of the establishment because they have a job, car and nagging wife and obnoxious kids. So my advice to young Satanists is to be found on my other posts in more exoteric clarity, on this board, as this was a reply to aforementioned foolhardiness of certain Satanists all in respect.
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#49192 - 02/20/11 02:36 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Hegesias]
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Clarence
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I have something of a soft spot for ONA literature. However, it is quite evident that a lot of these online ONAers are obsessed with the notion of slumming.
Dropping out of society for a span in order to cultivate Sinister Empathy/Awareness or what-have-you is all fine and well as a means to "know thyself", however, its practical benefits are rather limited. Would it not be equally benficial and 'testing' to set slightly more difficult goals - in addition to tramping/homelessness, that is. Worldly success and material gain might also be considered worthwhile insight roles.
Just a thought.
Edited by Clarence (02/20/11 02:36 AM)
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#49203 - 02/20/11 07:37 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Diavolo]
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Clarence
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Okay, I very much resonate with that. But to come to that point I've been to the extremities. The highs and the lows... having found joy in luxury and excess for its own sake, and the penury in which I found a simple life.
I no longer lack anything, but there is little if anything that I would not walk away from without tears.
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#49229 - 02/20/11 01:49 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Diavolo]
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Jake999
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You know, I never thought about how nutritious dry pasta would have been. After scrounging bottles all day to buy something that I could eat, I should have just looked for that luxurious kitchen, there under the steps of the building where I slept. But if I HAD been able to afford someplace to live in, anyplace to live in...
It's ok. People here are thinking in today's terms and in today's environment, when broke meant "on welfare" or "on unemployment" or I need a few bucks to see me through until next week. When I was on the streets, it was ON THE STREETS literally, in a town undergoing gang wars and race riots.
I'm not looking for sympathy... I put myself in the situation that I was in, and I managed to get myself out of it eventually. Simply stating that I know of which I speak. Poverty is not something I read about in a book and decided that it would be a noble or eccentric quality to be belly-rumbling, survival mode hungry. And yes, I ate crow and went home with my tail between my legs until my recruiter called and said I was in. Life's lessons learned.
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#49230 - 02/20/11 02:11 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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Tesseract
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“I've been rich and I've been poor. Believe me, rich is better.”
--- attributed to numerous individuals, including Sophie Tucker, Mae West, Gertrude Stein, and W.C. Fields
Jake:
As I read your post describing parts of your early life on the streets I found myself wondering if that was before or after your military service, just for reference. Thanks for the interesting take on the topic.
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#49233 - 02/20/11 02:39 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Diavolo
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As I've mentioned elsewhere, there are two distinctly different paths in "today's" Satanism (conveniently ignoring reversed christianity). We have the conventional path which has most of its origin in Laveyan Satanism and that puts the emphasis on advancing ones position in society and pleasure, and we have the unconventional path, of which ONA is a prime example, which puts the emphasis on personal transcendence and something which could be seen as duty.
The unconventional path steers Satanism back into the heterodox since it is of the opinion that is where Satanism belongs, and, because people on this path, are by nature heterodox. Those on the conventional path have a hard time understanding detachment from the material but others see materialism as so culturally ingrained it isn't even seen as the weakness it is. What is does to many/most is enslave them.
Of course, many will find this laughable. None is enslaved or addicted to anything. Anyone can quit anything any time.
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#49236 - 02/20/11 02:59 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Jake999
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Those on the conventional path have a hard time understanding detachment from the material but others see materialism as so culturally ingrained it isn't even seen as the weakness it is. What is does to many/most is enslave them.
Of course, many will find this laughable. None is enslaved or addicted to anything. Anyone can quit anything any time.
D.
Being of the admittedly LaVeyan philosophy, (what can I say, I learned well at the side of the master), before people start complaining about how bad they have it from a position of comfort, please remember RULE 8 of the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, being, "Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself."
As a service to any "satanist" who feels burdened by comforts and materialistic devices, especially MONEY, I would be more than happy to take that burden from you and allow you to wallow in the superiority of poverty. No!!! No need to thank me. I know it's a hardship for me to gather and gain more STUFF, because I'm enslaved by a healthy savings and checking account already... the complete SADNESS of being able to buy what one wants... it's heartbreaking. But because I so much love YOU and want YOU to be the best "satanist" you can be (and to avoid whiny bitching on the boards)... I will sacrifice of myself. I will take your unwanted cash, bonds, cars, boats... I've got enough computers and bedroom furniture... but if anyone is seriously burdened by a 30 ft cabin cruiser...
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#49239 - 02/20/11 03:45 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Tesseract]
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LucyFur
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That being said, anyone with pets knows how gross and unappetizing “wet” cat food can be to a person’s senses, so I’d rather stick with potatoes, rice, flour, etc.
While I certainly won't judge what others are willing to eat in a desperate situation, (as a vegetarian I will be the first to shoot a squirrel out of a tree to feed my family if the need arises), but I find that vegetables, legumes, and whole grains are usually cheap, easy to get, and provide adequate nutrition.
Nowadays, people are complaining about the price of food going up yet I eat cheaply because I don't buy meat or processed, convenience foods. While I can certainly afford higher priced foods I choose to eat healthier soups, raw fruits and veggies, and whole grain breads. I can also afford nicer clothes but don't see the need for it.
On the other hand, it is nice to have the money to travel, pay for car repairs or buy a new washer when the old one dies. Money is important in that it frees us to pursue our passions. Without it, we are often too busy trying to make ends meet to have any time or energy left over to pursue our passions.
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#49240 - 02/20/11 04:00 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: LucyFur]
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Jake999
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On the other hand, it is nice to have the money to travel, pay for car repairs or buy a new washer when the old one dies. Money is important in that it frees us to pursue our passions. Without it, we are often too busy trying to make ends meet to have any time or energy left over to pursue our passions.
Exactly. Money is a tool, same as any other. Use it or abuse it.
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#49243 - 02/20/11 04:46 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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Diavolo
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Indeed Jake money is nothing but a tool.
When I look around in my life, I see many people constantly hunting down the newest, biggest or best. Much what they buy is done because their status requires it and instead of it being practical or enjoyable, it becomes something to define themselves by, to show others they can, or can too. Their possessions start to define them and their identity becomes the very hardware they own. Take it all away and they become the nothingness they are.
Even the things they define as enjoyable are often only bringing them joy the period between the desire and the buy, and for a very brief time after that. Then it becomes just another thing and to compensate the loss of joy, they again have to gather something new. It is consumerism at its finest, a mental virus keeping them so busy gathering, there is very little left besides it.
It makes them predictable and harmless and the very risk of losing it all keeps them on the leash.
But the very man that has nothing to lose, either because he has nothing or cares for nothing, becomes unpredictable and dangerous and through releasing himself from this leash, able to do whatever he is compelled to do.
D.
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#49278 - 02/21/11 02:40 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Dimitri
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As an example, religious rituals such as fasting have an enormously damaging impact on neurological function and serve to cultivate serious mental illness symptoms such as those related to depression/ paranoia, due to the lack of carbohydrate, vitamin and mineral supplementation needed for healthy/ sane brain and nervous system functionality.
A distinction should be made between fasting for a long period of time and on short term. There are indications that fasting for a day or 2 every other day might improve insulin levels, a better neuronal resistence against injury. It is also being said that an animal/human who has known thougher times and had to fast every other day might have prolonged lifespans.
Studies:
1 http://www.pnas.org/content/100/10/6216.full
2 http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/6/1921.full
But then again, you are absolutely right about the religious fasting.
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#49409 - 02/22/11 09:24 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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heretic
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Hippie tree hugging is useful if you need shade or oxygen like some of us. You just have to know when enough is enough already. You can't survive well if you don't learn because you cannot adapt when necessary. I'm 44 and don't know if that's old or young in your opinion. You don't know what I've read and I don't know everything you've read so we're here to inform each other as best we may.
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#49487 - 02/24/11 02:25 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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Hegesias
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My advice to young Satanists.
Many young Satanist may feel isolated due to those close to you having a lack of understanding of your powerful philosophy that many cannot recognise. If there is family rowing/ argument, or sometimes abuse in their own family home, even at ages of 20 or so young people can be put into situations by the governing ones of the residence, abusive boyfriends, even family members can be abusing their power in those mundane situations.
So, if anyone tries to coerce you to do anything against your will, harm you, make you do something unnatural/ uncomfortable or otherwise inappropriate, including financial abuse, tell everyone you know what happened or what is going on as best you can. Because you are a Satanist you can walk into any situation that is mundane and get the ignorant to wake up about the real world and possibly ruin their day with the truth, which is ok because you are most important. Selfishness is ok for Satanism as we are not shallow persons, do not confuse selfishness with the shallowness of the mundanes, an intelligent selfish person will be supportive of close ones to better their bond and strengthen the pack much like wolves do. If your family will not listen or it is them doing the abuse be independent of them and go to law enforcement, they are there to serve (pun because I am amoral).
If anyone tries to make you do anything against your will that is unnatural or otherwise invading, promising rewards in their Satanist circle no matter how handsome/ charming or even intimidating they are, this is not honourable Satanists that you are dealing with but a sociopath/ s or simply depraved persons 'using' the allure and darkness of Satanism to colour their inane persona, to sway you to their ulterior motives.
Satanists do not submit to anyone or anything with the right to reject (with natural revenge if you do so wish) to the suggestions, orders or instructions of others that are not respecting your privacy. So don't ever submit to anyone or anything imposing shit onto you, and don't have to feel bad because you are not like them who have done something bad to you, as we Satanists are honourable we realise that it is the mundanes who are revolting by their deeds they do, and that we Satanists have respect for one another. Anyone who does not respect you is mundane, ignoble, unnatural and nothing to do with Satanism.
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#49513 - 02/24/11 08:50 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Hegesias]
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Asmedious
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Excellent points. I especially like this:
If anyone tries to make you do anything against your will that is unnatural or otherwise invading, promising rewards in their Satanist circle no matter how handsome/ charming or even intimidating they are, this is not honourable Satanists that you are dealing with but a sociopath/ s or simply depraved persons 'using' the allure and darkness of 1. Satanism to colour their inane persona, to sway you to their ulterior motives.
I think this is a trap for many newbies who attempt to join just about any philosophy. There will often be a washed up piece of shit declaring themselves to be a guru, who will use the ignorance of the newbie to gain power over them, instead of giving guidance.
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#49532 - 02/24/11 12:33 PM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
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natanielewsky
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Posts: 4
Loc: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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[quote=Dan_Dread]I only have one thing to say to young people that think they are Satanists:Most of you are not now, nor will you ever be Satanists.
Agreed! I've been in contact with lots of would-be-young-Satanists in the last few years and most of them were just teens with tatoos listening to heavy metal, but for one or two.
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#49827 - 02/26/11 06:17 AM
Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
[Re: Jake999]
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ktrapani16
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i would just like to say i really like your quote or if it isn't a quote at all but i believe it to be a quote so i believe and think and know you are very clever person. i just felt like complementing you because i've noticed that when i complement different people it makes me really happy. if you don't know what i am talking about i am talking about that clever 2 line sentence u wrote at the bottom of your reply. i would like to add a sentence to that sentence that was at the bottom of your reply to that person of whom i have no idea or remember what his display name is. by the way this is just my belief so don't think, believe, or know that i am trying to change the way you think, believe, and know. when someone dies who is close to you don't let your emotions control you permanently just let them slightly control you so you can get your inner emotions out UNLESS... you are able to ritualistically take out your inner emotions unlike me because if i were to perform satanic rituals in my basement or room i would always be interrupted by my ignorant, judgmental, and extremely hypocritical mom and sister. now back to what i was originally talking about. even though i was already originally talking about what i was trying to talk about and explain. after you have let out your inner emotions try your best to become in complete control of your conscious and you will learn to become happy and successful in life. again thats just my belief. I hope this somehow didn't offend anyone if so please contact me in however you want to contact me and i will be glad to answer and explain your questions as best as i can. i guess since what i talked about above makes this info important to not only you but important to everybody else on this forum. HAIL SATAN!!!! :]
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