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#15615 - 12/06/08 11:29 AM Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know
Anthony West Offline
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I understand that there are a lot of young Satanists on this site who do not know a particularly extensive amount on Satanism. I'm going to do what a Satanist of my stature shouldn't for a minute and speak for other Satanists for a minute.

I know we can be annoying because we sometimes annoy each other even, but we want to learn more about Satanism and what it really means.

Whether our ignorance on Satanism comes from not thoroughly reading the Satanic Bible or just ignoring reality, young minds often don't completely grasp Satanism what what it means.

Overall, we want to know what you older Satanists know and what you want us to know. Tell us experiences and what they mean to you and how they helped you grow in Satanism.

Thank you and Sincerely,

-Anth and fellow young Satanists

(P.S. If anyone is angered that I spoke for them, simply contact me and I'll reword this thread so I am only speaking for myself.)
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#15626 - 12/06/08 04:12 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
Morgan Offline
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Dude,

Heres some stuff....

Its not an age thing......
Its an intelligence thing.

If you cant handle the conversation, shut up and read until you can form a concrete thought that has a basis in reality.

Dont whine, and cry about what your parents make you do. We all had it rough to some degree, it either makes you stronger or you become a lifelong victim.

Satanists are not victims. We learn, adapt, and work to make things go our way.

If you want knowledge, go read a book, go read many books.
Expand your mind, dont settle to be just like everyone else.

Finish school, get a job, support yourself.
Be responsible for your choices and decisions.

Satanism is not a religion, its more than a philosophy. It just is something that is either in you or not.

Dont expect to be spoon fed or get instant gratification.

If you want something, work for it.

Your status, intelligence, stupidity, and worth is measured by how others read your thoughts. If you write like an ass, your an ass. A black sheep is still a sheep.

There is a lot of information on this site, go forth and read.

Good Luck,

Morgan


PS:
D is right.

Peace is a lie.
That happy contented shit stops growth and development.
Ever see stupid people, they are always smiling and happy because they are too stupid to know any better.

Internal no peace, war within yourself to get the most out of yourself. Besides, the human animal really knows no peace.

Most Satanists aren't into the warm and fuzzy hippy tree hugging shit.

Morgan


Edited by Morgan (12/06/08 04:51 PM)
Edit Reason: added the ps bit
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#15638 - 12/06/08 08:46 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
Picunnus Offline
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We don't WANT you to know anything. We're not sitting here yearning to explain our wisdom, if only some suitable candidate would come along. I can't speak for others, but I myself get on this site every day hoping to interact with others that have been doing this awhile. Maybe even someone who I could learn something from. The questions that new people ask are so repetetive that talking to them becomes extremely tedious - like reading a script everyday that they probably won't retain or understand. That's why people say to you that even though you don't feel like you're being predictable, you are. You just don't know it because it's new to YOU. When it's not new, when you've lurked on these pages day after day hoping someone interesting will take the time to post something because YOU know from experience that it's highly unlikely you'll find stimulating conversation in your "real" life - when you get to that point, you will surely notice that new people always say the same thing (with small variations)!! At this point, you will understand what they mean when they rebuke you with "don't feed the trolls!"

On a side note, (Morgan) I am a tree hugger. Why would I want the view from my window to be ugly? I just better not see any fucking people out there. I am NOT a people hugger.
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#15641 - 12/06/08 09:08 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Picunnus]
Dan_Dread Offline
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I only have one thing to say to young people that think they are Satanists:Most of you are not now, nor will you ever be Satanists.

Have a nice day.
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#15646 - 12/06/08 10:24 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Picunnus]
Phaethon Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Picunnus
That's why people say to you that even though you don't feel like you're being predictable, you are. You just don't know it because it's new to YOU. When it's not new, when you've lurked on these pages day after day hoping someone interesting will take the time to post something because YOU know from experience that it's highly unlikely you'll find stimulating conversation in your "real" life - when you get to that point, you will surely notice that new people always say the same thing (with small variations)!! At this point, you will understand what they mean when they rebuke you with "don't feed the trolls!"


Ah, so there is a benefit to being new it seems. After a while, it gets stale here. That's all the more reason for people to make the most of their time here before it gets to be too mundane.
And are you suggesting that those who are new here make absolutely sure what they are saying is completely new to everyone? Because the last person to say something coherent yet new to the world was George Carlin.
I can understand hatred towards those who are new and posting threads like "what is Satanism" or "lol I hate christians," but it is no easy task for people to say something that hasn't been said before. All they can do is check to see if a thread has been made along the same lines.
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#15647 - 12/06/08 10:29 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Phaethon]
Picunnus Offline
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I didn't say it gets stale here. If that's what you took from what I said, you didn't get it. Your reply is tiresome.


Keep my name out yo mouth!
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#15650 - 12/06/08 11:34 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Picunnus]
Phaethon Offline
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I didn't mean completely stale. But Satanism (and the 600 club) are more exciting usually when its new to a person. That may be many people's downfall, when they are so excited they get stupid about it.


So I retract that staleness comment, instead may I say that it simply ferments? No longer the sweet bliss at the beginning, but eventually becomes stingily bitter yet rewarding?

Meaning such: when something is new to someone, it sometimes seems better. Many new satanists are so enveloped with the existence of it that it is a pseudo orgasmic experience just to say something. After a while, the magic is gone, and all that's left is the conversations that you cant have anywhere else. That isn't as good to some.

Its just that beginners drunkenness that is what makes some people act so stupid by comparison. All I (as well as other admited bumbling newbies) can do is try not to seem like a complete moron and continually grow in the process.
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#15656 - 12/07/08 12:19 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Phaethon]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Phaethon

So I retract that staleness comment, instead may I say that it simply ferments? No longer the sweet bliss at the beginning, but eventually becomes stingily bitter yet rewarding?


A lot of the problem is that when new people come on to this or some other site, they expect those who they find there to just stop and catch them up on what things are all about. Consider this... A new person (let's use you, just as an example, not pointing fingers) comes on and tells me (not asks), "OK, so if Satanism isn't about worshipping Satan, why do they call it Satanism, because Satan..." I take the time to answer it... AGAIN... ten minutes later, someone else comes on and tells me (not asks), "OK, so if Satanism isn't about worshipping Satan, why do they call it Satanism, because Satan..."

I don't know what your favorite song is, but think about what it would be like if you were expected to recite it word for word, whenever anyone asks you to do it, 24 hours a day; while on the toilet, while watching a movie, while trying to work on a complicated task, while sick, while in the middle of a sports contest....

Looking at your profile, I see you're 16. I joined The Church of Satan before you were born. In fact, I joined the Church of Satan probably when your parents were preschoolers. How many times in three decades (plus) do you think I've been asked that same question by someone who thinks that I owe them the answer simply because I have it and they want to know?

Even a favorite song gets stale after you've sung it for over 35 years when someone just feels like they want to know what the words are. Pretty soon, you tell them, "Buy the goddamn record." That's why many of the "old timers" tell the newbies, "Read the goddamn book."
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#15658 - 12/07/08 12:40 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
Phaethon Offline
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I don't see why people would be here if they haven't read the book unless they are undercover Christians or morons who are convinced that we eat babies.
But there is a difference between stupidity and a genuine questioning. The stupid expect you to teach them just because. Those who are smart should offer some kind of discussion, if they can't find their answers though a medium that wont get pissed at them. People need to get off their high horse and stop bothering people. The world would be better if humans had rattling tails and flashing fangs to ward off the weak and pesty.


Maybe their should be a basic quiz to fill out in order to register. If someone fails, they shouldn't be able to even attempt to register for this site.
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#15660 - 12/07/08 12:59 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Phaethon]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Phaethon
Maybe their should be a basic quiz to fill out in order to register. If someone fails, they shouldn't be able to even attempt to register for this site.


Who's "basic quiz?" If you took MY basic quiz, there's a very distinct possibility that you wouldn't be here. Questions like: "What plank of Pentagonal Revisionism might be seen as the emersion of the Satanist into self exile in the working world?", or "Explain why a runner in a woman's stocking plays into the Law of the Forbidden, and how can this be used in Lesser Magical operations?" See, to ME, these are pretty basic questions on LaVeyan Satanism... just scratching the surface. So, who's to choose the questions that allow participation, or make it an elitist club that sooner or later becomes a mutual admiration society or a bunch of "self elevated" monkish boors contemplating their own navels?
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#15661 - 12/07/08 01:12 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
Phaethon Offline
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The kind of stuff that you said you've been asked a billion times. I doubt you get hoards of newbies asking you about Pentagonal Revisionism. If you make the questions too specific, you will only get the wise and experienced in here. That may be ideal for you and many others, but not so much for those still learning.
Simple questions would at least keep out the lazy and the intolerant. At least those who wont do enough of their own research before crying for daddy to explain.
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#15664 - 12/07/08 03:52 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Phaethon]
Bacchae Offline
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we did the quiz thing years ago, and then we had to find the time to grade the papers, so to speak.
the current system works. open registrations, freedom to ask, contribute, or lurk, removal of trolls and assholes.
if a user sticks around and is interesting, articulate, and makes an effort we give them access to other sections of the board.

yes, this is a discussion forum like thousands of others on the internet, but many of us have been here, for better or worse, for 10 years.
no one "hates" new people.
we would lock this place down and sit and scheme and pontificate amongst ourselves for another decade if that were the case.

new people just need to realize that this is not a satanic outreach and information depot.

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#15667 - 12/07/08 04:19 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Bacchae]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Bacchae
new people just need to realize that this is not a satanic outreach and information depot.


Excellent way to bring it home. Thanks
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#15674 - 12/07/08 06:54 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
Diavolo Offline
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To me the youngsters here are a necessary evil. It's a wave that has to be endured to occasionally encounter a pearl between the swines. That might sound hard but such is reality.

All too often we are exposed to people and their questions that can easily be solved by them doing some effort. Questions like satanists and devilworship and the likes can easily be answered by checking out what Satanism is. There is plenty of info online somewhere.
I expect anyone that logs here to have, at least, some basic knowledge about Satanism and if not, to stick to 101.
What's the use of joining a forum you have no clue about?

Besides that, I don't feel inclined to teach anyone anything. I might debate something and say my thing, I might put my foot down on what I consider stupid but that's it. I'm no Buddha waiting for pupils to guide them to Nirvana.
I don't believe you can save them that can't save themselves.
People that expect such are confused and should find a saviour somewhere else.

D.

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#15691 - 12/07/08 12:18 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Diavolo]
Anthony West Offline
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Thankyou! Especially Morgan and Picunnus for your input that pertains to the topic!

Especially Morgan. I'm sticking to my peace bullshit, but I understand your logic.
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#15725 - 12/07/08 07:21 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
The AntiChris Offline
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Registered: 10/24/08
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Loc: Pennsylvania
Just adding to Morgan's thoughts. Satanism is not something I joined or converted to. It was nothing more than a curiosity since I was a kid and at best something I did to piss off my parents and teachers. Then wouldn't you know I picked up Anton's book (and many others) one day many years later and something clicked. It wasn't even until long after that I learned Satanism defined me, not the other way around. This is NOT something I sought out. I haven't a clue what Pentagonal Revisionism is and I don't care. I do not label myself a Satanist . It IS what I am. If someone wants to know if I worship Satan I may say yes of course, and maybe some days I do. I can do whatever the hell I want. I am not going to be talked to like your writing a fucking term paper about me and I'm not going to talk back like I'm answering questions on Oprah. Your peace bullshit is just that and it either means your still young or you haven't had the shit kicked out of you enough. So either get it together or I'm going to send a fucking demon to your house.
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#15726 - 12/07/08 07:53 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: The AntiChris]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: The AntiChris
I haven't a clue what Pentagonal Revisionism is and I don't care. I do not label myself a Satanist . It IS what I am.


THAT's the response of a Satanist... and why we shouldn't "have a quiz" for people to get into the 600 Club. If the person is interested in what Pentagonal Revisionism is, or any other part of Satanism from LaVey's standpoint, then they're responsible to look it up and find the answers that are out there. There's no test in life to make sure they got it.

Of course, being young and still in school, I can see why "a quiz" might be something that would pop into your "little empty heads," because in your world, education is measured in terms of quizzes and tests and things you can put on paper and hand in to show how good you are. LIFE isn't necessarily like that. Every day is a final exam, for the most part. You either know it cold or you're out IN the cold.
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#15734 - 12/07/08 11:48 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
THAT's the response of a Satanist... and why we shouldn't "have a quiz" for people to get into the 600 Club. If the person is interested in what Pentagonal Revisionism is, or any other part of Satanism from LaVey's standpoint, then they're responsible to look it up and find the answers that are out there. There's no test in life to make sure they got it.


That being said, I think that people should realize that we all determine the currency for our correspondences, both here and in real life. It's quid pro quo - something for something. Here in these forums, the bar is set fairly low, in most places. All that's asked is that one have a rudimentary knowledge of Satanism, or at least a grasp of the satanic. Those who don't find that they're quickly outted as posers, wannabes, shit disturbers, etc., and those impressions can be lasting.

But it's up to each of us to determine what our set-point is for interpersonal correspondences. How low or high we are willing to set the bar for access to our lives on a deeper level is something we should all think about and enforce. Limits are necessary to maintain one's personal sense of soverignity within his/her own life.

For example, if someone wants to start up a friendly relationship of any sort, there has to be a meeting of the minds. What constitutes this relationship? Is it congeniality, the occasional email joke or forwarding of some humorous email circulating the web... is it more... is it less? Each member of any such relationship must decide what the inclusion of an individual into their life means, what they intend to get out of it, and what they are willing to expend of themselves to maintain the relationship.

I get emails from people who really want to discuss LaVeyan Satanism with me. I don't accept many such invitations unless there is something that indicates that it's going to be a 50/50 (or better on my end) exchange. For example, I would insist that the person I'm going to be corresponding with KNOW LaVeyan Satanism. For a personal relationship on an intellectual level, they would have to know about Pentagonal Revisionism, and The Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, and The Law of the Forbidden, and ECI and other Inertial Crystalizations and early LaVeyan history, his writings beyond The Satanic Bible, The Compleat Witch, and The Satanic Rituals... and even within those three volumes, how they apply and adapt to questions at hand.

That's not being elitist, as much as it's wanting to be a partnership of exchange, rather than me being the teacher to a sponge who needs entertainment. Same thing with music. If you don't know who ? and the Mysterians were, or why Frank Zappa thought that The Monkees were a valid musical representation for the youth of the day, or why Gene Simmons thought that Abba's Dancing Queen was one of the most perfect fusions of musical genres... well... how's the weather in Dubuque?

I have no problems with people setting their own bar for me as well. There are a lot of things that I'm not qualified to discuss or give a competent opinion on. That doesn't mean I can't learn, but it's not up to someone else to spoon feed me the knowledge to get me there. I know next to nothing of automotive or mechanical workings, higher math, quantum physics, writing or playing music (unless it's on a phonograph), and a host of other things. So while I might find some of the threads on these things interesting, I'm wise enough to keep my mouth shut and attempt to learn from those who can clearly express themselves on those matters. It's not a weakness... it's not a failure... it's a personal acknowledgement that I don't know everything and would be a fool to butt in just to be seen. Far better to respect those who do have the knowledge and try to learn.
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#15744 - 12/08/08 02:38 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
Butterz Offline
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When I was introduced to LaVey a friend let me barrow his Satanic Bible and Satan Speaks. He told me not to ask him shit until I read both. When I had finished he told me not to ask him shit about it. The answers are there and I needed to form my own opinions on what I had read. You can never better yourself by copying someone elses philosophy. Take in what fits you, read all you can and create your own structure.
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#15751 - 12/08/08 10:40 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: The AntiChris]
Phaethon Offline
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AntiChris
You may just be what a true satanists should be. You are the satanist to Satanism. You seem to completely abandoned any labels, you do what you want, in a true animalistic way.
I doubt that Anton LaVey wanted to be a new age satanic jesus.
Do what you will, that is the true way to live..
If it does not make you happy, it is pointless. So why should anyone care about Pentagonal revisionism or ANYthing IF NOT FOR PURE JOY.
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#15753 - 12/08/08 11:43 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Phaethon]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Phaethon

If it does not make you happy, it is pointless. So why should anyone care about Pentagonal revisionism or ANYthing IF NOT FOR PURE JOY.


I agree with you... why should you want to learn anything new if you have to work for it? LaVey wrote The Satanic Bible a long time ago, and obviously, never had another thought about it again. Up until his death in 1997, he obviously never had another idea... never expounded upon the principles of The Satanic Bible... never went into any detailed explanations of why he believed what he did or what direction he envisioned for his Satanic movement. Nothing of import or interest.

All of the REAL information on what LaVey was or ever did HAS to be in what people write on the web. You already know how to eat... why have anything other than PB and J? You saw television last week... why watch it this week? You heard Herbie and the Heartbeats 1st CD... why bother listening to another?

Ignorance is bliss. It's been said, and I've seen some blissfully ignorant people. But knowledge is power. It helps you to develop analytical skills and refine your skeptical eye. LaVey's life beyond his initial penning of The Satanic Bible can't be of any interest. Although, he WAS an early promoter of the development of Artificial Human Companions (Androids)... but you don't want to know anything about that.
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#15756 - 12/08/08 12:51 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
Anthony West Offline
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 Quote:
Take in what fits you, read all you can and create your own structure.


Butterz, I let this sink in for a second and it made some good sense. Thanks.

Like Jake999, promoted, I'm going to go learn things for myself instead of relying on this thread for information on how to live a Satanic life, or whatever I initially asked.

Thank you everyone, I'll now take my leave.

-Anth
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#15769 - 12/08/08 04:48 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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As an older person (I'm only relatively new to Satanism per say), I want young people to know that nothing, but nothing beats time and experience.

A 20 year old saying they've had a tough life, been through and seen alot and therefore should be treated with the respect I would give to a 40 year old, just doesn't gel in my head.

Sure, at 20, you may have been able to squeeze in alot of growing and learning and even have fully experienced being a child, being a child that did it tough, had to fend for self etc etc, but that is about all.

You can't say that you have the life experience yet of being an adult. Wait until you have been an Adult for as long or longer you were a child for and then and only then can you say you really have had experience at being an adult.

That's not to say there there are some really nice, cool, intelligent 20 year olds, but really, most just don't have the life experience for me to treat them as an equal.

Kids are often told at school that they are better educated, smarter and more able than the generation before them, or even their bosses. This attitude shows up in their first few jobs, because even with all that education, they just don't have the life experience or real world experience to really be better smarter or more successful than their bosses, get what I'm saying?

If you are a really good looking (well even an average looking) 20 year old, the world is at your feet in a way, but boy are you going to have to do a readjustment when you hit 30 and you're no longer the cutest or youngest girl in the room.

Even if you look really good for your age, trust me, unless you have a brain to back you up also, looks fade and become less important as you age.

I love being in my 30's. I've found it to be some of the best times of my life and I expect to continue to enjoy getting older as I'm sure Jake has (ha ha sorry couldn't resist).

I can honestly say, the best advice I can give someone young is to listen to some of the older people in your life. Some of your older Aunts and Uncles, you'd be surprised you may even did up a Satanist or Aethiest amongst them. You don't have to do everything they say, you should make your own mistakes, but think about the why's when they roll their eyes at you because you are going through the same age old relationship problems that everyone seems to go through no matter what age we are living in. I'm sure people had the same relationship problems in the 1800's as we do now. It's all just more open and you're not going to get stuck in marriages etc that you can't get out of.

Anyway, enough rambling.

ZephyrGirl
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#15783 - 12/08/08 06:01 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ZephyrGirl]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I love being in my 30's. I've found it to be some of the best times of my life and I expect to continue to enjoy getting older as I'm sure Jake has (ha ha sorry couldn't resist).

ZephyrGirl


Getting older isn't always fun, but it beats the hell out of the alternative!
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#15823 - 12/09/08 07:14 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
Butterz Offline
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Everyday is a new expierence and you have to take for what its worth. Your convictions wont be the same a year from now trust me. I am 21 and every year, every day as a matter of fact, im a different person because i always take in new ideas. I question everything sometimes too extremely. Never in your life should you be content with what you know or an essay for that matter, hint hint. Knowledge is power.
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#17136 - 12/29/08 08:52 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dan_Dread]
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"I have only one thing to say to young people that think they are Satanists:Most of you are not now,nor will you ever be Satanists."

That would apply to a vast majority of young people who would consider themselves Satanists , but I'm sure there are quite a few jewels amongst the rubble... after all we were "young" too once apon a time!

On saying that,I can look back on my teens and reflect on the fact that I wasn't a "true" Satanist until I had lived enough years and had enough life experience to be able to comprehend what being a Satanist really entailed on all levels. I was a"Pre-Satanist" but definitely wasn't capable of the intellectual expansion needed to live life fully on the LHP at that stage... I don't think a lot of pre-adults are, exempting the ocassional supernormal exception.

Most of them could be classed as "Satanists in Training", I suppose, but only time will tell, years lived, and all manner of things absorbed and experienced, whether they really Cut the Mustard enough to call themselves a Satanist.
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#17146 - 12/29/08 02:38 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Honest question, How would you know the difference between the true young Satanist and the fake ones you are reffering to?



Edited by Johnny (12/29/08 02:43 PM)
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#17147 - 12/29/08 02:52 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Thank you!!! you couldn't of put it any better

Edited by Johnny (12/29/08 02:52 PM)
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#17148 - 12/29/08 02:56 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Johnny]
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Everyday is a new expierence and you have to take for what its worth. Your convictions wont be the same a year from now trust me. I am 21 and every year, every day as a matter of fact, im a different person because i always take in new ideas.

Saying this to jack actually is quite stupid. At least he is 40 years young/old. This compared to your humble 21.. well it makes you a bit worthless.. I'm not stupid saying such things. I know he is at least twice my age and I respect his authority. If he says something well.. I'm quite sure he has a jolly good reason for it.

This as a simple remark to your "Your convictions wont be the same a year from now trust me.".

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Honest question, How would you know the difference between the true young Satanist and the fake ones you are reffering to?

Well at first they don't ask stupid questions of how becoming a "true" one. They simply are becoming one regardless what comments of others are.
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#17165 - 12/29/08 10:06 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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Well I don't know about any of the other "younger Satanists" on this website, but I think whatever older Satanists have to say, regardless of if they want us to hear it, we should listen to. We should take what they say and apply it to ourselves. They have been here longer and therefore have had more time and experience than any of us, even if the age difference is a few years. Think about it, if it wasn't for our elders teaching us (teachers, parents, mentors, ect.) we would know absolutely nothing. They teach us the basics and then some, and we build upon that.

If you ask me, this thread should be titled "Things Younger Satanists Should and Need to Know".

Just my 2 cents on the subject. And thank you to all whom I was referring to. A word to my fellow "pre-Satanists", sometimes it's better to shut up and listen then to stay in a debate and argue..If you don't know that already, well then you will learn the hard way.
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#17166 - 12/29/08 10:09 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Saying this to jack actually is quite stupid. At least he is 40 years young/old. This compared to your humble 21.. well it makes you a bit worthless.. I'm not stupid saying such things. I know he is at least twice my age and I respect his authority. If he says something well.. I'm quite sure he has a jolly good reason for it.

Thinking Butterz was really responding to Jake shows your lack of understanding in how this forum works mechanically... If you knew you would realize that he was not really talking to Jake he just used quick reply... Then again if you actually understood what you read you could easily see he is in no way talking to Jake... Calling Jake jack while calling another member stupid only doubles the attention to your own ignorance and laziness...

Now to answer the original question...

What things do older Satanists want younger ones to know?

My answer is simple and true... Nothing, I have no want for you to know anything... You are not one of mine, my click, or my family... Figure it out on your own and if you do or don't, well it's no sweat off my back either way...

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#17172 - 12/29/08 11:30 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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I'm going to do what a Satanist of my stature shouldn't ...


This, of course, assumes you are a satanist. You, like many others who presume themselves to be satanists, are often little more than White Light Secular Humanists in dark clothes.

In most cases, a person will call themselves a satanist first, and learn about Satanism latter. For such people, like yourself, my first test would be to read "Might is Right." If it supports your currently held beliefs then most likely you are a Satanist. If you take issue with it, then I would really recommend that you look into what the Wicca have to offer.

Beyond this, here is some recommended reading for the young traveller.
Books of the Left Hand Path

I read most of these from about 13-18yo. It changed my life. Your results may vary.
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#17382 - 12/31/08 10:03 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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I'm going to be honest, I'm 14 years old, live in a Christian home, and believe in the exact opposite. I'm LaVeyan, and when it comes to my family they can't know about it. I am all for my religion, believe in it 100%, and its a big part of me. I have done alot of reading on the computer learning what I can and asking questions from people who also believe in what I do. I would love to read the Satanic Bible, but being in this house and not of free age yet it is hard. Many times I've wanted to go out and buy a copy of the bible, or order it online but I could order it and have my parents find out about it. I would like to know everything I could about LaVeyan Satanism.
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#17397 - 12/31/08 11:23 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ACF]
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FINALLY! Another young one to take the heat off of me (just kidding guys, I know I'm your favorite).


ACF,

If you look around, you may be able to find an online version of the Satanic Bible. Actually, look no further...

http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php?ubb=media

I forgot they had it on here. There you go. But just out of curiosity, exactly how do you consider yourself to be a Satanist when you've never actually read TSB? Word of mouth? How can you be sure you're getting your information from a trusted source?
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#17402 - 01/01/09 12:29 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Mike]
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Thank you, I will be sure to read it. I will start now. What you say is true, but I have done ALOT of reading and research, talking with actual Satanists, and looked over conversations about it. I guess now it is the time to truely become one, if I have not already been one.
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#17404 - 01/01/09 01:56 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ACF]
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ACF, it seems to me that in all the reading and research that you have done on LaVeyan Satanism, you have somehow bypassed what would have to be the most important book on the subject.

I hope your taking advantage of the link on Mike's post - read it, then read it again if need be, and see if it resonates with you before you start calling yourself a LaVeyan Satanist.

Who knows , you might discover apon reading it that it clashes with every principal or value you hold dear....

Time will tell.

Mike, your starting to grow on me, you really are....

A "Gem amongst the rubble" perhaps? ;\)
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#17422 - 01/01/09 06:14 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Yes, and maybe we can start our own daycare system, for the really, really, really young "Satanists to be".

I'm starting to get worried here... anyone?
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#17423 - 01/01/09 06:18 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: daevid777]
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Meh, I prefer to set up an online slaughterhouse for the ones who claim satan is their master.
Or other attention whores with their tat's who are proud but scared to show themselves.
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#17425 - 01/01/09 06:53 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: daevid777]
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Ok, maybe I'm mellowing out in the afterglow of all the New Year goodwill (gag), but you have to admit that Mike doesn't seem to be as ignorant as a lot of the other young un's have revealed themselves to be on this forum- I mean we have a wannabe, blood-drinking freak on one of the other threads (the vampire one to be exact) and the best contribution this plebian fool has had to bring to the table so far is random,scattered one liners that pertain to how good blood tastes, and how Satan is his lord and master.
Mike just struck me as having a lot more to offer that's all.

Our own Daycare system for the "really young Satanist to be"?
That's just a plainly disturbing concept!

I think I'm starting to get a bit worried too...
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#17428 - 01/01/09 07:16 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Ok, I know this was meant to be sarcastic - but it actually would be cool if there was a place you could send your kids that you didn't have to worry about someone trying to cram them into some stupid mold that will never fit.

I realize this isn't a real kid-oriented place but since my spawn is MY SPAWN he is definitively one of the best things our world has going for it. The thought of him being cared for and TAUGHT THINGS by losers is appalling.

Satanist day care would be cool!
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#17432 - 01/01/09 07:36 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Picunnus]
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You bring forth a very valid point there Picunnus.

Thinking back on my own daycare and schooling experiences, I think I would have flourished more in a "Satanically monitored" environment - maybe I would have actively participated instead of slinking off to get away from everyone.

There are plenty of "different" kids out there that would benefit from Satanic Daycare when you think about it- you could be on to something there P.
If I had kids, I would definitely prefer the above to the alternative.
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#17433 - 01/01/09 07:44 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: spiderbreeder]
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ANY kid would benefit from it. Our society would be a better place if the children were taught by someone other than the LOWEST INTELLECTUAL STRATA of our society.

Teachers... ugh. Give me the creeps.
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#17447 - 01/01/09 01:34 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Picunnus]
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After last night, I have no read the whole TSB. But over the past, I'd say 2 years I've been reading parts, and big chunks of it. I wouldn't go into a religion without reading the bible, that'd be pointless. I recognize alot of what I've read. So my sources have been correct. Last night I finished reading the whole thing. But since it was my first time reading the whole thing, I'm not going to be able to memorize everything. It will take a few times of reading TSB before I can start remembering exactly what it said, word for word, and key phrases.
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#17461 - 01/01/09 03:24 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Why thank you, spiderbreeder. I still have much to learn however, and being on this forum for a little over 2 years is bound to have some effect on you...For me it taught me the world isn't always a nice place (or hardly ever is), and for that reason you need to toughen up and don't be stupid. It's eat or be eaten, and I will admit I've had a few chunks taken out of me...But wounds heal and in the end what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

I may have more to offer than most that are around my age, but looking at the big picture, I have merely scratched the surface.


Just trying to wise up, that's all.
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#17493 - 01/02/09 05:13 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Mike]
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No worries Mike, just calling it how I'm seeing it.
Judging from your last post especially, you seem to have a realistic perspective about the LHP, and what it entails to walk apon it - at least you have the honesty to state that you had "merely scratched the surface" many people younger (and older) than you have claimed to "know it all" when they really haven't got a clue about anything.

Picannus, I agree with your statement that every kid would benefit from a Satanic schooling system, and not just the "different" ones, and coming from a family of teachers, and school principals, I can empathically state that they totally creep me out too...
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#17494 - 01/02/09 07:07 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Yeah, Mike "The Patron Satanic Saint of the Youth"...

Just kidding, Mike, you've taken a lot of beatings over the years... some of which perhaps were meant more for these "New kids on the block"... too bad they weren't around a while back.

However, it's good to see you grow, in your very own, strange direction, instead of just regurgitating back some shit in which you don't believe.

As for the ass beatings, I'm sure they'll continue, whenever necessary. I for one, am just too tired to keep up.
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#17502 - 01/02/09 01:16 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: daevid777]
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Yeah, Mike "The Patron Satanic Saint of the Youth"...


Now you're talking.

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Just kidding, Mike, you've taken a lot of beatings over the years... some of which perhaps were meant more for these "New kids on the block"... too bad they weren't around a while back.


Well for others who wish to learn could always search through some old threads and see what they can dig up. The reason I haven't been on here for a while was just that. I learned to shut up and listen.

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However, it's good to see you grow, in your very own, strange direction, instead of just regurgitating back some shit in which you don't believe.


Thanks. It means a lot to hear this coming from people I learned so much from. At first I was so far from the truth I couldn't find the path to start on, and now it's good to know I'm at least heading in the right direction.
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#19629 - 02/04/09 09:11 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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I have some advice for the younger Satanist: Be strong, that's it. Strength is measured in your weakest moments. When you are feeling down and depressed, that is when you need to be a Satanist the most. This is what seperates us from the righteous, we don't bow down in humility in our weakest moments, instead, we forge ahead and fight like the devil. Right when the forces of natural selection rub against our lives is when we must become the Prince of Darkness. When it comes to who is a "real" practicing Satanist and who isn't, this is what separates the men from the boys: Who uses Satanism for the "cool" factor, and who uses it for survival.
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#19632 - 02/04/09 11:38 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Gratikus]
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Gratikus, that is indeed sound advice; however, if I may say so, it is lacking.

If one is going to tell others to be strong, then perhaps they might consider also giving suggestions on strength building.

One example, off the top of my head would be the study of "Objectivism," or in other words, looking at ones own problems from the outside, instead of internalizing them.
Making a list of possible solutions, and then taking ACTION to correct the situation. Even what I am suggesting is lacking, because it might take years of study and self analisis to be succesful in its application.
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#19947 - 02/08/09 09:31 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Gratikus]
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I have some additional advice for the Satanic youth: Do something constructive with this new force of Satan that you have discovered. Create a work of art with it, create a new political party with it, write a book with it, start a business with it, invent a science with it, etc.etc...Power without either focus or purpose is pointless. And never forget what the herd is there for: They are there for you to manipulate them, so that you can achieve these great things. Sometimes young Satanist make the mistake of trying to “save” the herd from Christianity. The herd is there for you to use and abuse on your path to power, never forget that.
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#24438 - 05/11/09 09:22 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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Well let's see, some advice for a young/ new satanist

1st. read the last 4 pages again, after that, read some of the 10,000 posts & replays before you make your 2nd post. (after your intro)

2nd. "off the clock", plumbers, don't care to talk about pluming, drug dealers, don't care to talk about dope, & lastly, satanist don't care to talk about Satanism.

If you happen your way into the chat room, & we're talking about cutting the dingle barrys from our ass hairs, don't try & change the subject, ie. you say "Do you all ritualized just on holidays" Your just waving a red flag, in front of a bunch of bulls, that where happily grazing on some dingle barry conversation.

3rd. There are as many forms of Satanism, as there are Satanist. You will never be an OG-MUPPETEST, & you sher as hell will never be a Dan Dreadest. For if you agree with any one, 100% about every thing, then your a "sheeple', & satanest can't be sheeple, & vice-versa.

4th. Improvisation, to think you have to go "by the book" on any thing, for it too work, is complete bull shit.

examples.. lust rituals, all you need is some-thing to whip off on (if your a chick, a wet finger) "you say, you don't have a black candle", use a red one, green one, a Fn tiekee torch, "what you don't have a gong" so what! no bell? use a glass! ETC..

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#24517 - 05/13/09 05:22 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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I began my satanic studies in 1975. You have an advantage now because you can read all of Anton LaVey's books. I had to wait decades before he wrote them all.
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#24688 - 05/16/09 07:27 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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Here's how *I* define Satanism:

Many people cycle through many religions before coming to Satanism... because they are looking for something that actually works.

If you came here looking for some ultimate answer to all of your life's problems you will not find it here either.

Satanism isn't about Satan, seeing Satan as a god, refuting any other religion as inferior to Satanism or anything of the sort.

It's about YOU and what YOU believe in. The answer is within YOU. NOT finding emotional solace in some dogma by some false god.

It's about defining and defending yourself, your constitution, and your beliefs with strength and logical reasoning.

There are those here that will call you names, cuss at you and dismiss you like a bunch of highly irrational, bitter old, senile women going through menopause. It takes a big dick to call someone a name and dismiss them... but an even bigger one to challenge or support someone's claim by working with them to provide proof for or against it.

This is why I like to use the scientific method when I make claims in this forum and out in the world. If no one can stand up and help you prove your point to be physically possible through experimentation... then they are just as weak as they claim you to be. For they can not claim your weakness without providing scientific proof. Otherwise it is just an opinion, not a hypothesis, and holds no water.

In my *opinion* all religions, including Satanism and science will eventually all die out over time... along with the human race. We will never survive the entire lifespan of the universe as long as we maintain our identities as selfish individuated beings disconnected from others and our environment. The universe does not care who we think we are and what we prove through scientific reasoning to maintain the status quo or even to progress beyond it. It is only interested in maintaining balance within itself. I don't believe anything anyone says to support or deny this opinion I hold bares any relevance over time. This opinion will stand or fall on it's own over time.

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#24692 - 05/16/09 09:22 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmodevs]
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You remind me of myself about 3 years ago, when I first came to this forum. I'm not saying you have no clue, but if that's how you define Satanism then you aren't getting the big picture.

Satanism isn't all about ones inner self. Not all of your answers come from within. It's about retaining whats going on around you and learning from it, and in the end evolving from the experience. Satan has plenty to do with Satanism. The biblical representation of gods enemy (Satan) is a role model for Satanists, in my opinion. It's what Satan represents that makes up Satanism. All of that inner-self becoming all-knowing reaching enlightenment bullshit is just that- bullshit. You can't teach yourself everything, it all starts somewhere else.

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In my *opinion* all religions, including Satanism and science will eventually all die out over time... along with the human race.


That's a nice thought, but it'll NEVER happen. The human mind just doesn't work that way. Even becoming a Satanist takes a drastic change of perception (for some). For the entire human race to eventually abandon religion of any sort, our human instinct toward those unanswerable questions would have to change. Bottom line, religion is part of human nature.

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The universe does not care who we think we are and what we prove through scientific reasoning to maintain the status quo or even to progress beyond it. It is only interested in maintaining balance within itself.


You see, this is what I can't stand. You talk about the universe as if it's got a mind of it's own. The universe is mearly the infinite amount of space, time, and matter in which we exist. And what's all this about balance? A balance of good and evil? Or balance meaning an equal amount of space on either side of any point in the physical plane of existence?
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#24701 - 05/16/09 11:34 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Mike]
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What I'm really curious about... If a Satanist is one who identifies himself with the enemy of god. What would you call one who sees god and Satan as an enemy?

I'd like to think that we'd still call that person a Satanist (whether he conforms to Satanic belief or not) since he is still going against what is accepted by the general (cult) masses.

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#24704 - 05/17/09 12:14 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmodevs]
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What I'm really curious about... If a Satanist is one who identifies himself with the enemy of god. What would you call one who sees god and Satan as an enemy?

And the crux of the reason that Satanism is mutually exclusive to Atheism emerges, albeit quite unwittingly. ;\)

Satanism is not opposed to 'god', as that would be inconsistent with the idea of it being a religion of the carnal, the mundane and the earth. Once you are opposed to 'god', 'the devil' or any number of spirits,ghosts, demons, spooks and demigods (which all sit on the exact same epistemological playing field) you have left the realm of the real in which Satanism exists and entered the realm of the 'spiritual' which is in fact antithesis to the entire concept of what it is Satanism stands for.

If you see yourself as the 'enemy' of something you must first accept the existence of that thing. As far as we can tell, there are no gods, devils, or fairys. What does exist, however, in a very measurable and tangible fashion is the spiritual beliefs themselves and those that uphold them. Ultimately it doesn't matter if there is a god or not, because either way his followers are responsible for a society built on backwards values and slave mentality.
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#24710 - 05/17/09 01:21 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dan_Dread]
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you impressed me there, Dan.

Now you have to piss me off when you comment on my next post so we can maintain this love/hate relationship.

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#24758 - 05/18/09 08:12 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmodevs]
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Honestly I didn't pay much attention to the new replies in this thread aside from this one:

 Originally Posted By: Asmodevs
Satanism isn't about... refuting any other religion as inferior to Satanism or anything of the sort.


To which I would respond with: Then why is it called Satanism?
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#24770 - 05/18/09 02:35 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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There's a difference between knowing ands refuting. Personally, I don't see the need to waste valuable time and energy refuting anyone's beliefs. I'm not out to convert anyone. Are you?
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#24772 - 05/18/09 02:47 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Octavius]
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No, I am most certainly not out to convert anyone. Nor do I see having a theological debate with someone as a waste of time or energy. That is unless it turns from intelligent discussion to childish bickering. The same could be said about any discussion though.

It would be pretty naive, though, to try and make the case that Satanism wasn't (partly) created to refute all the other religions out there. Along with other widely accepted falsities. While Satanism is not all about blasphemy and heresy - they both certainly have a place.
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#24773 - 05/18/09 04:40 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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There is a difference between being opposed to certain religions, and being opposed to "God".

Satanists only oppose "God" on a purely symbolic level, just as Satan's existence is also held to only be symbolic... because God and Satan do not literally exist. If I seriously believed myself to be "the enemy of God", then that would be acknowledging the existence of God (which is outright retarded).

So if you're a Satanist, there's no need to get your panties in a wad over a deity that doesn't exist. A lot of newbies do it, but that's mostly a result of going through the "i h8 god cuz devil is teh awesome HAIL STAN!!!1" phase exhibited by many younger satanists.
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#24783 - 05/19/09 01:21 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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1. Stay off my yard. Fertilizer aint cheap punk.
2. Turn in down. I don't need to hear your hipity hop, I'm trying to listen to NPR.
3. Pull up your pants. You're going to trip and poke an eye out.
4. Slow down. 45mph on the freeway is plenty fast. Where are you in such a hurry to get to.
5. Use the phone at home like god intended. You'll catch the cancer with those things attached to your face.

That's all for now. Time for my medicine and foot soak.

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#24800 - 05/19/09 02:21 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Quote:
Satanism is not opposed to 'god', as that would be inconsistent with the idea of it being a religion of the carnal, the mundane and the earth. Once you are opposed to 'god', 'the devil' or any number of spirits,ghosts, demons, spooks and demigods (which all sit on the exact same epistemological playing field) you have left the realm of the real in which Satanism exists and entered the realm of the 'spiritual' which is in fact antithesis to the entire concept of what it is Satanism stands for.


I think there was a misunderstanding. What I meant by "opposed to god" was the opposition of the idea of a god, or what "god" stands for. I didn't mean teaming up with demons and acting against god.


Edited by Mike (05/19/09 02:21 PM)
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#24807 - 05/19/09 10:33 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LaMaudite]
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Are you really as stupid as you act or do you think this will make you popular?

Save this shit for your facebook. I hope that after the mods ban you they remove all your idiocy from the forums and thus erase any trace that you ever existed.

I am about as pissed off right now as I would be if you walked in my front door and took a shit on my living room floor. Your lack of respect for this forum and those who come here is appalling. If you have nothing of value to contribute, please save me the trouble of having to think up new and creative ways to insult you and show yourself to the door.

I've had it *up to here* with dipshits and poseurs.

Can someone give this infant a time out?


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#24808 - 05/19/09 10:50 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ceruleansteel]
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mmm, its been a while since Ive been on here...
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#24822 - 05/20/09 05:47 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: lillith]
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 Originally Posted By: lillith
mmm, its been a while since Ive been on here...


and i sometimes do math in my head.


SO WHAT.
if you have nothing to say...why hit the submit button?

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#24826 - 05/20/09 09:52 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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If everyone is so god damned different and independent, why the group hugging session?
Analogous to the economy at this time, if everyone is so correct in their thinking, why is everything so fucked up? How many MBAs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
If you are young, learn how to do something that is measured in dollars.
Satanism is The Satanic Bible. Move on from there.
When asking others for leadership, guidance and direction, you may want to ask what they have actually done as opposed to what they think.
I have been off and on here for ten years, too. There are knowledgeable people here.
Don't be thin skinned about responses. The stupid question is the question the experts were afraid to ask.
There is always going to be those that hover over the exchanges here ready to pounce and the inevitable parrot or two that chimes in. This is to be taken at face value as it provides nothing.
Learn what You can that has measured value and avoid the cultural constipation of satanists for the sake of Satanism.
I hate this analogy as I have a special needs child BUT, winning an argument on the internet is like winning a race in the special olympics. Even if You win You are still retarded.
I have kids that are more Satanic than most satanists.

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#24921 - 05/23/09 04:04 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: The Zebu]
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There is a difference between being opposed to certain religions, and being opposed to "God".

Satanists only oppose "God" on a purely symbolic level, just as Satan's existence is also held to only be symbolic... because God and Satan do not literally exist. If I seriously believed myself to be "the enemy of God", then that would be acknowledging the existence of God (which is outright retarded).


I don't completely agree here. While Satanists of course don't oppose god directly, which would be ridiculous because there is no god to begin with and thus opposing nothing can't be seen as anything else but a waste of time, they oppose all things god, which is of a different nature. I try to see it as the difference between satan standing up to god, and thus failing and how the devil and his methods were seen ages ago; trying to destroy or corrupt god's work. And that is exactly what Satanism is about, besides having some joy in living too. We are at war with all things god, with all things sacred, and thus blasphemy and putting that in action should be seen as a satanic approach to life. The Satanic Bible is blasphemous in nature because it questions and thus attacks the sacred, whether it is religious, moral or societal. Now while there is a difference between questioning the sacred and outright attacking it, like burning churches, I do not necessarily look down upon the second method. And it is not a matter of legality because legality is nothing but society’s morality. It is there to stop those that grant it the power it in reality never possessed. Legality is an as sacred cow as morality if one does embrace it without thought. Of course there are repercussions to everything and I assume any satanist is wise enough to see the cost/benefit of any act he makes, or is smart enough to use those that don't have that level of intellect.

I agree that some acts are pretty meaningless at some levels and that burning a church as an example can be seen as destroying something beautiful, but this beautiful has been build upon the destruction of other things beautiful and while I can't deny that in that they exercised their might is right, those returning them the favor do so too. Now mind you, I am not advocating or rallying anyone to get their can of gasoline and go out there tonight, all I am saying is that it does bring a smile on my face.

In the end, each has to decide what his Will entails and it is dependent upon the very society that person lives in but no matter where, there will always be things sacred that can not be regarded as beyond doubt and thus being blasphemous towards those will be an essential part of your being. How far one takes this depends upon their own need.

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#25556 - 06/10/09 03:22 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
There is a difference between being opposed to certain religions, and being opposed to "God".

Satanists only oppose "God" on a purely symbolic level, just as Satan's existence is also held to only be symbolic...


Yes there is a difference but a certain group of religions share the same ideas behind god. The Christians, Jews, Buddhists, and the Hindus all share the same idea, that 'be polite and love your enemy' bullshit. Therefore opposing god also includes several religions
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#25585 - 06/11/09 05:52 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Nightmare]
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To be opposed to religion means to be opposed to having many aspects of your life controlled or structured, structure that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the basic laws of man but more to do with supernatural nonsense that has never been proven real. To suffer consequences in an afterlife for taking part in the natural/carnal acts of man.

To be opposed to god would mean that you first have to believe in god (god as an all powerful being), I don't believe in god in a theistic sense but I have empowered myself in a Godly manner that leaves me in control of what certain religions would try to take from me.
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#25600 - 06/13/09 03:59 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Third-Side]
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I just wanted to point out now, after reading a page of posts, that once again I see the blatant arrogance of the so-called people who have lived the philosophy. Well I doubt LaVey would throw a little bitch about people asking questions.

I understand that sometimes the persons question that have already been answered in the Satanic Bible can be insufferable, but even the questions that arent in any literature are shut down by more 'experienced satanists'.
And the whole purpose of this forum is for satanists to get other satanists opinions isnt it? or even for people new to it whether read the SB or not to find out more?
One thing I notice about Satanists aside me is that they put a massive veil over it so the philosophy isnt spread to anyone else. Is this some kind of way of keeping themselves special? I personally speak out about the philosophy all the time, whenever asked, or in a general conversation. I dont veil it, how else can other people find a philosophy that may be for them if they arent aware of its existence?
Basically, if someone, who has read the Satanic Bible, and wants to know more why not help them out rather than hinder their quest for knowledge?

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#25607 - 06/13/09 12:06 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Atralux Lucis]
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It's simply a matter of merit versus entitlement. Many come here expecting open arms and spoon feeding, which is in and of itself a critical misunderstanding of Satanic philosophy. By NOT accommodating every internet troll that believes they are a Satanist and NOT holding their hands as they try to figure out what it means to walk the left hand path, a lesson is in fact being imparted. Just not the one that was expected!

As Satanists are born, not made, only a certain type of person can truly wrap their head around what it is to be a Satanist, and fewer still are of the right cut to actually live it. Proselytizing is pointless as so few can ever 'get it' anyway. Cui Bono is a phrase that should be always kept in mind.

There is no 'fold' to bring people into. Those that belong here find THEIR OWN way here. Unfortunately, so do many others, but they are generally culled with due haste, and inevitably run off with a sore butt and a deflated ego.
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#25617 - 06/13/09 08:05 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Nightmare]
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Yes certain religions overlap with certain ideas about gods existence, but what do christians, jews, buddhists and hindu's have in common when it comes to their views on god? The "love your enemy" idea you're thinking of doesn't neccesarily have anything to do with god, it has more to do with certain religious dogma (10 commandments, ect.). To my knowledge not all buddhists even believe in a god, and hindus are polytheistic when jews and christians are monotheistic. Like The Zebu said, there's a difference between being opposed to a specific religion and being opposed to god. Many people are opposed to Islam right now, however not all of them are opposed to god. In fact, most of them are christians themselves. This is more or less a respect issue (as a generalization, most christians don't have any respect for other religions).

If one is opposed to God, it doesn't matter what religion your talking about. If it speaks of a God, no matter what else they teach (don't fight back, hold off from sex until marriage, blah blah blah) they're opposed to it from the start.

On another note, Satanism is an atheistic religion where there is no god, therefore a Satanist isn't technically in opposition with religion but the idea of a god.
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#25665 - 06/15/09 01:45 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
It's simply a matter of merit versus entitlement. Many come here expecting open arms and spoon feeding, which is in and of itself a critical misunderstanding of Satanic philosophy. By NOT accommodating every internet troll that believes they are a Satanist and NOT holding their hands as they try to figure out what it means to walk the left hand path, a lesson is in fact being imparted. Just not the one that was expected!

As Satanists are born, not made, only a certain type of person can truly wrap their head around what it is to be a Satanist, and fewer still are of the right cut to actually live it. Proselytizing is pointless as so few can ever 'get it' anyway. Cui Bono is a phrase that should be always kept in mind.

There is no 'fold' to bring people into. Those that belong here find THEIR OWN way here. Unfortunately, so do many others, but they are generally culled with due haste, and inevitably run off with a sore butt and a deflated ego.




Very well stated, as a matter-of-fact I haven't seen it stated in such a polite manner.......ever.
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#25673 - 06/15/09 07:39 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Mike]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike

On another note, Satanism is an atheistic religion where there is no god, therefore a Satanist isn't technically in opposition with religion but the idea of a god.


It's interesting that so many people consider Satanism to be atheistic in nature. I suppose it depends on how you interpret the Satanic Bible, but I got the impression that it doesn't matter whether you believe in god or not, what counts is that you understand that if god does exist, he's obviously none too concerned with humans.

I don't normally like to quote TSB as I feel that this is something that is very christian in nature. However, I think a lot of people seem to be ignoring this particular passage:

IT is a popular misconception that the Satanist does not believe in God. The concept of
"God", as interpreted by man, has been so varied throughout the ages, that the Satanist
simply accepts the definition which suits him best. Man has always created his gods,
rather than his gods creating him. God is, to some, benign - to others, terrifying. To the
Satanist "God" - by whatever name he is called, or by no name at all - is seen as the
balancing factor in nature, and not as being concerned with suffering. This powerful
force which permeates and balances the universe is far too impersonal to care about the
happiness or misery of flesh-and-blood creatures on this ball of dirt upon which we
live.

La Vey clearly states that the actual name applied to god is irrelevant and that God is ultimately subjective. What he doesn't do is make the claim that god doesn't exist, merely that god, being an essentially alien entity/force is too impersonal to warrant devotion.
Now I've always considered myself pantheistic. I would argue that "god" literally is everything rather than being a seperate entity controlling the universe. I suppose a crude analogy would be that everything in existence forms "god" in the same way that cells form an animal. I don't know if this god is conscious and I'd be inclined to say that even if it is conscious, it would most likely be far too alien for a human to interact with.
This is a difficult concept to explain in a manner I would be satisfied with and I'm well aware that certain members here will take issue with it. However, I've always thought that modern people lack the fantasy and mystery that can be gained through bizzare beliefs and concepts. My belief in both magic and this abstract form of god gives me excitement and enjoyment, it fulfills my basic need for wonder. After all, what's the point in following the left hand path if you don't enjoy yourself along the way?

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#25675 - 06/15/09 08:39 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Saligia]
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Meh. Another one weeds himself out.

If god is 'everything' why not just say 'everything'?

If you hold a belief that all that is is actually part in parcel to some sort of living entity you are as fruity as any other theist out there.

Theism is theism, faith is faith, it's all anathema to Satanism.

'Satanists' are of the sort that innately understand this.
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#25677 - 06/15/09 09:17 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Tacking on to Dan...

What is being said, if you'd take the time to actually READ it, is that MAN HAS ALWAYS CREATED HIS OWN GODS... they're not real. They are REPRESENTATIONS of things (such as) the balancing factor in nature, and not being concerned with suffering. Not a being. Not something you can interact with. Not anthropomorphic. They are a label for the things men cannot understand or control.

Balance is not a god. It is a concept of equality, sometimes the dichotomy of nature, but not a being to be revered.

"Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams." - The Nine Satanic Statements (#2).
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#25685 - 06/15/09 11:03 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Saligia]
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Technically Satanists are 'their own gods'. That would be more along the lines of self-worship than believing in a god in any form, therefore Satanism is not a theistic religion or atheistic if you really want to get specific.
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#25695 - 06/16/09 07:08 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Jake999]
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Perhaps I didn't make myself clear on this. The "god" I talk of is not something I worship or pray to and I don't claim that it's even conscious. I simply said I don't know whether it has any consciousness or not. As you quite rightly said, man creates his own Gods and in this circumstance I choose to use the term god to describe all existence as in my eyes this is the most apt application. I could choose to simply say that god does not exist and forsake my "poetic" application of the name god, but for me this would simply detract from the enjoyment of my life by removing some of the wonder that I crave.
With regards to the concept of "god" or "everything" being conscious or not, this idea stems from a single odd notion I held as a child and haven't been able to shake. I wondered whether everything living has a consciousness of some form (albeit an entirely alien one) or not. For example I wondered whether plants, bacteria and animal cells have any form of consciousness. This led me on to imagine the state of human cells, is our consciousness born from the collective consciousness of trillions of cells? Probably not, but the idea intrigued me. This in turn led on to the idea that assuming such a collective consciousness could exist, wouldn't that be what god is? Simply a name given to all vital existence.

Dan: I'll be the first to admit that I'm somewhat "fruity" as you suggested, however as I said, this is something that provides me with personal pleasure and is therefore something that I've always held on to. I always admired the way a child can use their imagination to entertain themselves for hours, a skill that sadly weakens as they reach adulthood.

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#25698 - 06/16/09 12:59 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Saligia]
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The only "Vital Existence" that is relevant to a Satanist is his/her own "Vital Existence" along with those Existences that they chose to hold sacred.

The Merriam-Webster definition of god;

a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship ; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality


"With regards to the concept of "god" or "everything" being conscious or not, this idea stems from a single odd notion I held as a child and haven't been able to shake. I wondered whether everything living has a consciousness of some form (albeit an entirely alien one) or not. For example I wondered whether plants, bacteria and animal cells have any form of consciousness. This led me on to imagine the state of human cells, is our consciousness born from the collective consciousness of trillions of cells? Probably not, but the idea intrigued me. This in turn led on to the idea that assuming such a collective consciousness could exist, wouldn't that be what god is? Simply a name given to all vital existence."

Saligia-In regards to your statement, why would you deify something that stemmed from your imagination of all things, being intrigued certainly doesn't merit deification. If you are having a problem shedding a need to believe in the notion of an all powerful object (god), try the Ritual "Le Messe Noir", it has a knack for eliminating those feelings.
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#25699 - 06/16/09 01:25 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Third-Side]
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 Originally Posted By: Third-Side


The Merriam-Webster definition of god;

a being or object believed to have more than natural attributes and powers and to require human worship ; specifically : one controlling a particular aspect or part of reality



Well going by that definition I guess I'd be considered an Atheist myself. Perhaps I horribly misunderstood the paragraph, but I took it to mean that god is simply a name to describe life and existence in general. Like I said, my concept of God in this sense is not something that I worship. Nevermind.

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#25700 - 06/16/09 01:39 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Saligia]
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Hi Saligia,

Vexen Crabtree wrote an article comparing pantheism with Satanism which you may find interesting - although it largely focuses on Paul Harrison's "ecological" form which (in my view) somewhat confuses 'nature' with 'Nature' (i.e. in Spinoza's sense).

Richard Dawkins in his "God Delusion" described pantheism as "sexed-up Atheism". This really only applies to naturalistic pantheism though (which sees the 'god' thing more metaphorically) and not to more supernaturalistic forms which ascribe literal 'divine' attributes to the universe.

I was once close to a pantheistic view, as reflected in some of my earlier posts/articles here, however language does become confusing, especially where knotty words like "god" are invoked, so I prefer not to use such terminology.

I do however think there is value in a sense of reverence towards the universe or reality as a whole, this leads to an attitude of realism which (ironically) is anathema to most other notions of 'god'. It is also a large part of the scientific attitude of seeing things objectively, however fallible and infused with other human goals this may be in practice.

This does leave the individualistic or existential side of human existence untapped however, which is where something like Satanism or self-actualization comes in.

I once knew a guy with a tattoo of a circle with a line through it, which symbolizes this well. The circle, he said, represented life, the universe and everything. The line was his finite individual life. Juxtaposing the two does have a powerful significance, because although one's individual life is pretty insignificant from a cosmic perspective - it is pretty important from a human one.

How to reconcile these two is part and parcel of the human condition.

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#25701 - 06/16/09 02:09 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Meq]
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Pantheism? Wouldn't Satanism also fall under the category of autotheism then?

And by naturalistic pantheism you mean not including Satanism? I always believed the self-worship/seeing yourself as a god concept to be metaphorical, and that the 'being in charge of your destiny' was symbolism for having the ability to make your own choices in life.
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#25702 - 06/16/09 02:40 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Saligia]
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In all reality, I understand where you are coming from. The way I look at it is that if you use the term "God" to describe something as powerful as is the Force of Nature, you are probably identifying "God" as a deified presence, consciencely or not. Conscience thought (in this case) as related to your own "will" can adversely affect your day to day life and your ability to indulge to the fullest. In conclusion, to free yourself of the burden of "god" is to do yourself the favor of lifting any restricting thought or feelings. The forces of nature and/or the presence of the incomprehensible universe are all to be respected as they are just that incomprehensible and inconceivable.
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#25703 - 06/16/09 02:43 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Meq]
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Thankyou for that link, it helped clear up some things that were pressing on my mind


 Originally Posted By: Meq

I was once close to a pantheistic view, as reflected in some of my earlier posts/articles here, however language does become confusing, especially where knotty words like "god" are invoked, so I prefer not to use such terminology.


I can see what you mean with this. I kind of made a mess of explaining my viewpoint back there.

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#25709 - 06/16/09 07:50 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Saligia]
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 Quote:
Originally Posted By: Meq

I was once close to a pantheistic view, as reflected in some of my earlier posts/articles here, however language does become confusing, especially where knotty words like "god" are invoked, so I prefer not to use such terminology.


I can see what you mean with this. I kind of made a mess of explaining my viewpoint back there.
Saglia,


IT is certainly easy to do especially if you are trying not to write pages of drivel. Glad to see you have taken the time to look around and read the forum. It is certainly worth it, as pretty much everythread goes off topic here and certianly this long, long ones do.

Thankyou Meq for that link, as I too have found it easy to use the word pantheism when describing quickly my idea of God, balance, the universe and life force. Like you said though, it does all come down to terminology. Labels, labels, labels. You have written it down much better than I could have so again, thanks for that.


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#28122 - 08/08/09 02:23 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I think Anton LaVey is somewhere, rolling on the floor and doubling over laughing into uncontrollable fits of belly aching mirth.
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#28126 - 08/08/09 03:52 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Satansfarm]
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Here is a simple common sense one:

Don't whine or complain about someone to their friends!!!

It makes you look stupid for a few reasons.

1. You look like a baby who needs a time out.

2. Are you that stupid that you are complaining about someone to their friends?

3. The internet is a tool, just because you don't know people in real life doesn't mean others haven't shared a drink together in person.

4. You are the new guy, suck up the questions, the doubts about your intelligence, and your ability to have a clue.

5. Respect is earned, it is not freely given.

6. No one has to be nice to you. No one is paid to answer your questions or show you the way.

7. If you don't understand something, admit it rather than going on and off onto different tangents.

8. You are supposed to be a Satanists, if you don't like a situation leave. You do not have to put up with stuff you don't like. It doesn't make you a Satanist, it makes you a masochist.

9. When in someone else lair, respect it. Someone else is paying for it, and its not you.

10. Bring your A game here, otherwise you will be eaten.

11. Read and understand the board before opening your mouth, it makes you look less stupid.

I hope that helps some new people understand why complaining about shit will mostly get you no where.

Morgan
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#28162 - 08/08/09 11:16 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Morgan]
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It doesn't really matter to me what anyone says about join this or
become that. I am on my own. There is no easy way out of life, not through Satanism, magic, LHP, whatever you want to call it.

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#31624 - 11/13/09 05:15 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Anthony West]
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 Originally Posted By: Anthony_West
...we want to know what you older Satanists know and what you want us to know.
I know that no matter how silly and poorly-founded, how off-the-wall or disrespectful, how illogical or wrong, it is better to sincerely pursue your interests as a Satanian from your OWN perspective than to take up the values and views of others, even your elders, without any connection to what you are adopting. AUTHENTICITY and INDEPENDENCE are key Satanian virtues.

I'd kind of enjoy it if younger Satanians came to know that fascism and Satanity are completely incompatible; that there are limitations to transgression beyond which one self-disables and destabilizes the foundations from which one previously was able to take action and choose.

I'd also like it if younger Satanists could know that the character of harshness, wrath, criticalness, judgemental upbraiding, sour jaded been-through-it-all know-it-all-ism that passes for authority is self-betraying and corrupt, that you can choose fluffy and friendly and it doesn't have to mean traitor or treason to the LHP. I like Hello Kitty.
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#31638 - 11/13/09 11:54 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: nocTifer]
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I know that no matter how silly and poorly-founded, how off-the-wall or disrespectful, how illogical or wrong, it is better to sincerely pursue your interests as a Satanian from your OWN perspective than to take up the values and views of others, even your elders, without any connection to what you are adopting. AUTHENTICITY and INDEPENDENCE are key Satanian virtues.

While I am an advocate in pursuing people to be and have authentic and independent ideas ( as far as truly original ideas exist..), I do not see any problems with possible advice given if you can learn from it or at least evade future problems with it. Even so, what's the problem with taking over someone else's views and opinions if you know/feel they make sense?
To actually "get-it" what the other persons background is leading to these conclusions, is yet another discussion which can last endlessly.

One's own perspective isn't also always right. A person needs a scheme to relate too, to make up his/her mind and value his/her actions. For this it is always best to see, hear and listen to others.

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I'd kind of enjoy it if younger Satanians came to know that fascism and Satanity are completely incompatible; that there are limitations to transgression beyond which one self-disables and destabilizes the foundations from which one previously was able to take action and choose.

And why should fascism be incompatible with Satanism? Can you actually proove me it is incompatible? Fascism within my view contains certain correlations with Satanism. Same concepts, same ideas (not all, some ideas..),... guess it depends on how someone views the subject.

Btw: It is Satanist and Satanic.


Edited by Dimitri (11/13/09 11:58 AM)
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#31644 - 11/13/09 01:54 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: spiderbreeder]
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While I would admit at times it has been tempting to ask others for advice on this subject, I have become increasingly aware of the fact that it is a personal journey. One that cannot be taught nor bought; enlightenment is not for sale (with the exception of the Devils note book on Amazon for £6.99).

Hating myself slightly for the pseudo karmic comment above aside, I still regard Satanism as a trip that you can only ever make alone. It’s a personal trial by fire, only you can conceive of the solutions that are applicable to your own issues/problems.

I will admit that others on this site are far ahead of my on their left handed path, but would never be so gormless to assume that their incite and knowledge applies in any way shape or form to my life.

There are a few things that we have in common, chief amongst these being that we are Satanist (the fact of the matter is that some of here don’t know what they are and endeavour to ascertain our place in the world through the proclamation of this self imposed title).

There is little knowledge that can be “passed on down the line” seeing as everything regarding YOUR situation is applicable to only you. The only thing that I will ever be so bold to ask of the more senior amongst us is the referral of books and additional literature that might be helpful. The rest, as they say, is in God’s hands; God in this context and situation being the monkey reading this text. \:\)


Edited by Room 101 (11/13/09 01:56 PM)
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#31646 - 11/13/09 03:21 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Dimitri]
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hi Dimitri,

I think there is no problem with adopting someone else's views and opinions if you know/feel they make sense. that specifies a connection to what you are adopting.

my observation is that fascism's general tendency to remove freedoms and personal choices makes it incompatible with anything emphasizing individualism and authenticity. it may indeed be a semantics problem surrounding the term 'fascism' if this doesn't ring true to you.

I noticed your comment also on my use of the term 'Satanian'. I use this and 'Satanity' as terms indicating a larger envelope containing several Satanisms, each of which may be an ideology or coherent ideological system.

thanks for your challenges. \:\)
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#31651 - 11/13/09 06:16 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: nocTifer]
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NoTifer, if a newbie wants direction it is better to ask some "old timers" than to wallow in self-delusion.

"that there are limitations to transgression beyond which one self-disables and destabilizes the foundations from which one previously was able to take action and choose."

What the Fuck????
The only limits that exists for a Satanist is the ones they put on themselves.

The world is harsh, and not all hippy hand holding like. If you want someone to be nice to you try the Xitian church meeting.
Here respect and friendship are earned, not freely given.
What the hell does hello kitty have to do with Satanism?
I'm a bitch, but I want a Hello Kitty tattoo. Granted my Hello Kitty will be holding a butcher knife.

There is nothing wrong with asking for knowledge, advice or help from others who have walked the left hand path longer than you have.

To not ask or draw information from available sources is beyond stupid.

Hell, I'm in this for a long ass time and I still ask questions. When you cease to ask questions or learn you become static and might as well be dead.

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#31655 - 11/13/09 08:34 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Morgan]
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hi Morgan,

agreed regarding much of your post. our expressions aren't truly at odds. of course asking questions is an excellent way to learn.

that said, if someone opts to self-debilitate or sets themselves up for slavery or something, they may in fact remove their own options for the future. in a nutshell (whether due to personal choices or those contributing to sociopolitical regimes inimical to Satanian lifestyles):

"Stupidy iz reel and can hav lasting reapercushions."

which underscores the error of an important 'Satanic Sin'.
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#35244 - 02/08/10 12:10 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
I only have one thing to say to young people that think they are Satanists:Most of you are not now, nor will you ever be Satanists.

Have a nice day.


Ha! Great. He has a point though, and I agree thoroughly. Sadly, most teens or 'young people', don't have the intelligence to retain any true information on the philosophy that is Satanism. They just want the dark persona to wear like a cloak so they can hide from themselves and their own failing intelligence. Well worded Dan. Bravo.
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#35257 - 02/08/10 01:25 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Demon Heretic666]
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I have likely said this before when it comes to what older Satanists would like younger ones to know. Actually I very strongly believe that everyone would be wise to consider this, just about above anything else when it comes to personal freedom, so forgive me if I repeat myself.

DO NOT sell your freedom and peace of mind just to satisfy your materialistic urges.

Once you are in financial debt you cannot be truly free. You are chained to someone else’s rules, regulations and requirements.

The exception to this rule (in my opinion) is if you go into debt in order to make an investment (such as in real-estate or starting a business) which might give you significant benefits in the long term.
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#35263 - 02/08/10 03:46 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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^ Yeah, that! Been there and done that (more than once... I might be a slow learner \:\) ).

If I had to suggest one thing it would simply be to beware hubris both in yourself and others.

Doubt is key.

Also, I'm not sure I qualify as an 'older' Satanist as I don't yet qualify for an AARP card \:\)
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#35268 - 02/08/10 04:56 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Fnord]
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 Quote:
^ Yeah, that! Been there and done that (more than once... I might be a slow learner ).



THREE times of getting in way over my fucking head it took me to finally learn this!!!
Note that each time it takes years to get out of a bad debt situation.

Once when I was young and stupid, in my late teens through early twenties therefore I find that excusable and a good hands on learning experience.

Second time in my late twenties when I figured I would buy just enough SHIT on credit to re-establish my credit score. Well I did re-establish it, and royally fucked it up again.

Third time in my early to mid thirties out of sheer stupidity and idiocy. Inexcusable, totally lacking responsibility and common sense.

Now I have been out of debt for about five years. I do have a bit of a situation with the IRS pigs, but that is being handled and doesn’t affect me much. However that situation arose from an innocent little mistake on my part due to not filing my income tax form right. Don’t see it as really my fault as much as a fuck up of the whole IRS system.
I have put a security lock on all of my credit information, which means no one can access it, not even me unless I find a very long set of numbers that they gave me to unlock it, which I don’t plan on doing.

Not sure what my credit score is, and I couldn’t give a fuck at all. Don’t ever plan on using it again, unless it’s for investment purposes and even then I would rather save up and pay cash if possible.

I sleep very well at night.
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#35285 - 02/08/10 10:36 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Room 101]
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 Originally Posted By: Room 101

I will admit that others on this site are far ahead of my on their left handed path, but would never be so gormless to assume that their [insight] and knowledge applies in any way shape or form to my life...

...There is little knowledge that can be “passed on down the line” seeing as everything regarding YOUR situation is applicable to only you. The only thing that I will ever be so bold to ask of the more senior amongst us is the referral of books and additional literature that might be helpful.


This seems pretty narrow minded when talking about a journey that involves every aspect of your life. Granted, I am still a naive beginner on this path and in no way know what it means to live it fully quite yet. But it feels illogical not to utilize the resources available to you if they are willing to help you. I'm not condoning the expectation to be coddled every time you have a concern, but if you ask intelligent questions and keep your eyes open, there's a lot of information out there to be gleaned.

Of course, if you're clever then you'd probably be able to get the same amount of information by paying attention. No solution to your life issues are gift-wrapped and left on your doorstep, but there are plenty of tidbits you can pick up and ask for along the way that can make up that final solution.

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#35291 - 02/09/10 12:18 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ThinkingCap]
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I’m sorry? I thought my point was fairly clear.

Satanism is a matter of personal interpretation. Everyone must travel alone, anything I say to you will be contrived of in a different manner as appose to the next person I share it with as it is purely perceptively based.

They only thing any Satanist can really pass onto to a ”starter” is the subject, the “lesson” is purely individual.

There are many paths to the same end, but there can only be your
path when it comes to you.

I would argue that it is you who are narrow minded in the assumption that you need be “taught” the ways of enlightenment. That is out with the definition of the term.

Get it?


Edited by Room 101 (02/09/10 12:29 AM)
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#35361 - 02/09/10 09:47 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Room 101]
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I never stated that it was necessary to be taught, or walked through, the steps to enlightenment. That would be absurd. I am, however, questioning your claim that there is no knowledge to be gained from asking questions of people who have a more thorough understanding of Satanism from experience.

The subjective nature of Satanism only means that there are no straight answers. This becomes an issue only if the questioner is expecting a step by step explanation how to 'become' a Satanist or live their life.

But if the purpose in asking the question was to gain knowledge in general, then I don't see how the different perceptions would be a problem. It may actually lead to an epiphany that would not have happened if the questioner had stayed silent with their books.

This doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day it is up to me to decide what is right and wrong, and how I interact with the environment around me. But I don't understand why I couldn't learn from others' experiences and opinions along the way.

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#35413 - 02/10/10 11:43 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ThinkingCap]
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*skipping the entanglement of the posts above me.. I will go back to the OP idea. What older Satanists may offer the young ones. I can't be specific because Satanism is a very individual path to follow. It encompasses you in total. I will say this..and it's never steered me wrong..

Do not move toward Satanism as an escape from something else or out of hate. Move toward Satanism for what it is.
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#35417 - 02/10/10 12:38 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Noctuary]
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 Originally Posted By: Noctuary

Do not move toward Satanism as an escape from something else or out of hate. Move toward Satanism for what it is.


Clear and succinct. Says a hell of a lot in a few short words.
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#36160 - 03/08/10 04:08 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I can honestly say, the best advice I can give someone young is to listen to some of the older people in your life.

ZephyrGirl


I agree that young people (myself included) can fall into the trap of thinking they know more than they actually know, or thinking that their experience counts for more than it actually does. Just looking back at myself a couple years ago makes me cringe with how stupid I was, and I'll probably be similarly mortified a little in the future.

On the other hand...

I've also met a lot of stuck up geezers who think that the mere fact that they're now incontinent makes them experts on the universe. Granted, not all old people are like this, but there are enough of them that it bears mentioning. These insufferable blowhards were probably idiots when they were my age as well, and chances are this is just something they never grew out of. The only difference is that now they're using their age to try and lend themselves credibility.

As a general rule, I would say that all people get wiser as they age, but the starting point of wisdom and rate of improvement vary drastically from person to person. I can almost guarantee, assuming I don't get hit by a bus, that I will be much wiser ten years from now than I am now, and people I know are generally wiser now than they were ten years ago. They're not necessarily better than me. Often, but not always.

My biggest issue with this is when I meet a person way older than me who keeps making the same mistake over and over again. I've met people in their 30's, 40's, 50's, even 60 and up who have the same immature relationship issues you expect to see in 12 year olds. I'm always told that I'm in no position to judge them, having never been married/divorced/a mother (etc) myself. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. Just because I personally haven't been through your particular situation doesn't mean that I can't tell that you're doing it wrong.

Just because I'm not a mother myself doesn't mean I can't tell you're letting your kid run around like a brat and drive every other person in the room crazy. Just because I've never been married doesn't mean I can't tell you have an issue with going through husbands like popcorn. Just because I've never had the specific type of issue you're having with your ex-husband at this exact moment doesn't mean that I can't tell you're overreacting to what he said. Just because I'm not panicked about my clock ticking doesn't mean I can't tell it's dumb to try to deceptively get pregnant with a guy who doesn't want kids.

Worst of all, I'm sick of hearing older people whine to me about problems that I outgrew at my age. I'm not going to try and offer advice to someone older and more experienced; I'm in no position to do so and they probably wouldn't take it anyway. But don't come crying to me, and don't expect me to feel sorry for you, if I knew better when I was half your age.
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#36161 - 03/08/10 04:16 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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P.S. Ultimately, experience only counts if it's successful experience. If you have lots of "work experience" getting fired and losing jobs, your advice matters to me a lot less than someone who has a successful and promising career, even if they have less years under their belt.

Same thing goes for relationships; I look to my parents as a role model for marriage and relationships because they've done so well. I don't take my fiancé's parents' advice on relationships very seriously because their only track record is a string of messy divorces.
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#36177 - 03/09/10 11:31 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Just because someone either claims to be or is a Satanist does not mean that you will get along with them. This is a dangerous path and people do get hurt. I suggest to anyone attempting this path to tread lightly. I, of course do not. I perhaps have a masochistic streak that invites confrontation and yes, I do get lumped up every now and then. There is also the danger that people who are close to you can get hurt through your own bungling. I have also experienced this. There are times that I have attempted to "clean house". There are things that I am not proud of and that hurt me that I will have to live with for the rest of my life. I have experienced many benefits and have met some very interesting people. I have also acquired an interesting array of enemies that I must deal with every now and then. I do not always win. However, dealing with a more intense level of failure and success, victory and humiliation has made me a more resilient fellow, I believe. I also believe that I will remain on this path for the rest of my life, wherever it takes me.
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#36274 - 03/12/10 07:27 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Anthony West]
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I would also like to hear from more experienced Satanist's! Since I've just started my journey I would like some feedback on what I should expect in the years to come! This is a life long chronical and all the info I can get the better prepared I'll be to eclipse the light!!!
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#36301 - 03/13/10 04:52 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: exadust]
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 Originally Posted By: exadust
I would also like to hear from more experienced Satanist's! Since I've just started my journey I would like some feedback on what I should expect in the years to come! This is a life long chronical and all the info I can get the better prepared I'll be to eclipse the light!!!

I suggest discontinuing your use of the exclamation mark before I break a pinky. Thank you. \:\)
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#36309 - 03/13/10 10:27 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: exadust]
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How about you read more and write less?
Seriously, did you even bother to read this whole thread?
Or any of the older threads on this board before you decide to puke all over it today?

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#36411 - 03/14/10 12:52 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Morgan]
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Next time I'll try not to force the bile from mouth unto anything before I fully read it.
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#36421 - 03/14/10 02:51 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: exadust]
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Good since that is just fucking common sense.
You don't (in general) talk about a thread till you read the whole fucking thing otherwise you just look stupid.

Oh, and you need to re-read the rules and guidelines for this board since one line posts are general frowned upon and the authors subject to warnings.

Hopefully this makes sense to you.

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#37139 - 03/30/10 02:00 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Morgan]
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If you embrace Satanism and you publicly announce that you do, there is a chance that you may lose friends, family may excommunicate you, you could lose your job or perhaps more than that. Still interested? Also, you may find that this is not a lovey dovey club. You may find just as many enemies among Satanists
as anywhere else.

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#37158 - 03/30/10 10:18 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Kn [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
If you embrace Satanism and you publicly announce that you do, there is a chance that you may lose friends, family may excommunicate you, you could lose your job or perhaps more than that. Still interested?

The problem here is not embracing what you are, the way you talk about it like there is a choice to be a Satanist or not. I didn’t have much of a choice but to use the title after discovery that others thought similar to myself. But I do agree that the younger Satanist should not expose him/her self prematurely. Things should be thought out and only done when there is a clear advantage. But a Satanist should know this.

 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
Also, you may find that this is not a lovey dovey club. You may find just as many enemies among Satanists
as anywhere else.

While Satanism isn’t a lovey dovey club there are those who call all their followers family or brothers and sisters. In my opinion a Satanist wouldn’t fall into such an obvious trap of manipulation and would see what is truly happening.

Seeing as Satanists are such calculating individuals to become an enemy of one you would have to do something to personally fuck them over. Unlike the enemies one could gain from just announcing they are on this path.

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#37396 - 04/05/10 04:27 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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Hail all brothers and sisters. This is my first post on this website, and I have finally found a topic that I can add something to.
I first explored Satanism, or more so simply the Satanic Bible, when I was about 15. Now I am 33. I have been through a lot of self-induced crap in my life, and had blamed others for it for a long time. Now I have owed up to my mistakes and learned from them. Yes, there is damage done, but I am a survivor now, not a victim.
Jake, I feel your frustration in having to repeat yourself to people who are unwilling to do the leg-work and research themselves. However, without places and people such as yourself, I would not have learned what I now know. For a while, I had been living a lie with regards to my beliefs in a higher power. I was miserable and felt like a sham. Rediscovering Satanism, I found what was ailing me, what was missing from my life. Through conversing with others and my own reading, I have learned much which I now apply in my life. With renewed purpose and vigor, I have attacked life with ferocity, understanding myself more than ever, but with questions still to be asked, yearning always for more knowledge.
Those that truly desire and have a thirst for this knowledge should drink from the cup that overflows in anothers hands. Soon they will be the one whose cup overflows. So, please, with a discerning taste and subjective choice, grant to some who seek what you know.

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#39430 - 06/20/10 01:26 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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To young Satanists

There is more than what you can see, there is more than what you know. To achieve that level of "power," you reap what you sow. Many Satanists are mislead or only do a half-job and then fail. Not many will make it as a true dedicated warrior for Enki but with persistance and change, clear thought and understanding, will it bring you closer to the truth. Follow none but yourself, worship none nor the Gods of Duat. Listen carefully to what the Gods of Duat and other advanced Satanists have to say. The aim is to be in accordance with Father Enki's will. Unfortunately for some, many will only see Enki as a symbol and not a God of physical being. It is true that we can become a God but do not be mistaken, God is not derived as the Xian god, so when you think of becoming a God, you are not the all mighty powerful.

Satanism is based on yourself and only yourself, the connection you have with the Gods of Duat and Father Enki himself. As you empower yourself to achieve ascension, so are others which makes the kindred of Father Enki even more powerful as time goes on. If doubt crosses your mind, void meditate to clear your thoughts and be centered again. Many make the mistake that Satanism is based on the physical, it is not, it is both physical and spiritual. Your soul and mind is the driver of your physical body and not your physical body.

Last but not least, be emotionally controlled. The enemies of Duat and Father Enki are in large numbers and have been for ages. Falling prone to uncontrolled-emotions is a crack in your shield. Be strong, have trust in HIM and the Gods of Duat.

Keep your advancement as private as you can and share only with trusted Warriors of Father Enki. One mistake could be the end of you and i mean not death.

Remember, In Satan We Trust, Do What We Must.

(To all the LaVeyans - you know there is truth in my words)

Hail Father Enki
Hail The Gods of Duat

In His Service
Iaidon Baltan, HS!

Regards

Enkis As Sassin
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Founder of SASC (South African Satanic Community)

http://www.ageofsatan.co.cc
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#39431 - 06/20/10 01:50 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Enkis As Sassin]
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There is more than what you can see, there is more than what you know.

Is it? My first reaction would be that it is an obvious statement, but regarding the contonation of your post and give away view you have I think you are a bit on the woo-side.

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Follow none but yourself, worship none nor the Gods of Duat. Listen carefully to what the Gods of Duat and other advanced Satanists have to say. The aim is to be in accordance with Father Enki's will.

I sense a contradiction here...

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(To all the LaVeyans - you know there is truth in my words)

Yeah right...
Been blowing too hard on those vuvuzelas?
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#39432 - 06/20/10 02:10 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dimitri]
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I think maybe he burst a few blood vessels blowing one for the home team for sure, Dimitri.

Where the fuck he thinks any LaVeyan Satanist would think anything of his ramblings, other than to take them for absolute bullshit is beyond me.
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#39434 - 06/20/10 02:50 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Enkis As Sassin]
Phobos Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Enkis As Sassin
Remember, In Satan We Trust, Do What We Must.


You know, when I was in college I used to study English modality. My teachers told me that "must" implied an external will by which the colocutor had to abide. They called it "deontic modality" (obligation, coercion). It's strange for a Satanist to find such poor ideas/rimes...

Anyways, Enki is like Hitler? "88!" = "Heil Hitler!"?
"The parasitic kikes, xians, and Muslims have plauged this Earth long enough". You're so full of win :]
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#39435 - 06/20/10 03:06 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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[quote=MawhrinSkel]
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Who are these gods of Duat of which you speak, and why is it imperative that I not worship them? I mean, I wouldn't anyway, so warning me of their worship as though it were something contagious is kinda moot.


Duat in the ancient Egyptian was the place were your spirit went after death. It's also seen sometimes as Tuat. Osirus would be the ruler of the Duat, and gods beneath him. The Duat is also the region that Ra traversed at night to rise again i the morning. This is referenced in the Book of the Dead and of course in The Book of Gates where in hour 3 of the night, at the Gate of Tchetbi, we read about the GODS OF THE DUAT towing the great barge. (http://www.ancientegyptonline.co.uk/bookgates3.html)

Might have some Setian meanings, but it's just another bit of mythos and probably not even known to most "LaVeyan Satanists."
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#39456 - 06/21/10 11:04 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Enkis As Sassin]
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You didn't seem to come here looking for a fight, so I won't go apeshit on you like the nasty little voice inside me tells me to do. However, I have some serious issues with your logic.

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If doubt crosses your mind, void meditate to clear your thoughts and be centered again.


WORST. IDEA. EVER. This is just like Christians saying "if you have any doubts about the goodness of God, just clear your mind and ignore it! Think happy thoughts!"

I mean, LISTEN TO YOURSELF. You're saying "ignore anything that might contradict your belief system". This is the very definition of narrow-mindedness.

If your ideas have any worth, they should be able to withstand scrutiny and logical evaluation. Otherwise you've just been duped into another delusional religion promising you sky-cake.

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To young Satanists


Why only "Young" Satanists? Because they are more impressionable with illogical concepts? Young Satanists have a tendency to cling on to whatever ideas they hear, because there is still an ideological wound from their internal split with Christianity. The last thing you need to do is indoctrinate them into ANOTHER absurd patriarchal religion.

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There is more than what you can see, there is more than what you know


What gives you authority to tell us what we SHOULD see and know? What are your credentials that let you assert that Satan is Enki and he can communicate telepathically or whatnot with people? Are you some sort of holy prophet with astounding revelations of the universe? Or just another dude who read something cool on the internet and decided to regurgitate it because it sounded neat and gave him a ritual boner and a trippy "spiritual experience" or two?

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Satanism is based on yourself and only yourself, the connection you have with the Gods of Duat and Father Enki himself.


It's times like this I wish I had a hotkey for the phrase "One of these things is not like the other".

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Many make the mistake that Satanism is based on the physical, it is not, it is both physical and spiritual. Your soul and mind is the driver of your physical body and not your physical body.


Here's a little insight. If it exists, it is physical. If the "spiritual" exists, then it is merely physical phenomenon that we cannot presently describe.

In the ancient world, people thought that the laws of physics did not apply in space, and that the planets and stars were governed by divine forces and gods and demons. When we finally got there, we found a bunch of rocks bound in gravitational movement around a big fiery ball of gas.

The lesson? Scientific truth is often a bit more boring than our superstitious imaginations would like to tell us. Just because there is a present void or anomaly in our experiential knowledge doesn't give us license to fill it with demons or angels or magical pink unicorns.

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Last but not least, be emotionally controlled. The enemies of Duat and Father Enki are in large numbers and have been for ages. Falling prone to uncontrolled-emotions is a crack in your shield. Be strong, have trust in HIM and the Gods of Duat.


Oh great, another cult of paranoia locked in a cosmic battle of Good vs. Evil.

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One mistake could be the end of you and i mean not death.


Like ending up in Hell? Or Heaven- since God is actually the Devil... But if Enki is the Devil, who is actually God, then... waitaminute... GODDAMMIT, THE CONFUSION!

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Enki as Satan


What makes you think that Enki likes being called by the name of a "Hebrew Fiend"? (Sorry, Michael, it's a nice line, had to do it). Why don't you worship Enki with Chaldean incantations and cuneiform tablets like he was historically? Or is the whole "Enki" thing an afterthought and an excuse to use pentagrams and goat-heads and goetic sigils by convincing yourself it's actually part of an ancient Eastern religion?

In conclusion... we Satanists have left Christianity and other faiths because they are outrageous dogmas mired in superstition, paranoia, narrow-mindedness, and ignorance of reason and reality... what makes you think that any rational person would want to buy your ideas you're peddling when they're THE EXACT SAME THING AS CHRISTIANITY? I'll pass, thank you.

Overall, I think this response might not even matter to you, since you admit to deliberately ignoring anything that doesn't fit into your belief system. (The very embodiment of ignorance) This might have even been a "hit and run" post, where you feel like some self-righteous "Warrior for Enki" battling against the forces of LaVeyan Atheism and persecution, and then smugly retreat back to your little corner of the internet, hoping that at least one or two people might stumble across your post and become filled with religious zeal.

All I can say is, wake up, dude. Smell the goddamned coffee.


Edited by The Zebu (06/21/10 11:15 AM)
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#39503 - 06/23/10 01:39 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: The Zebu]
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I don't think god was there to damn the coffee, lmao.

Seriously though, minus the flame wars and idiots like Enkis As Sassin, this thread has been somewhat of a goldmine of life experiences, advice, and all that jazz. It's not quite my place to suggest this, but I've enjoyed this thread very much, and would appreciate if anyone could get back to the original topic. Thanks.
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#39506 - 06/23/10 03:48 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: zippadydooda]
Morgan Offline
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Here's one for life.

People talk shit, they can talk a good game, they can con the best of them or have a silver tongue.

No matter what happens, their actions will always end up showing what is in their heart.

That is when you know if they really have your back and you can trust them or if they will cut and sell you out when the shit hits the fan.

Morgan
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#39518 - 06/23/10 11:40 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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 Originally Posted By: Anthony West
Overall, we want to know what you older Satanists know and what you want us to know.


When a young person registers for discussion(key word) on a site like this one and posts an intro thread that starts off...

"I'm new and I haven't read the Satanic Bible..."

I stop reading the intro.

One can familiarize oneself with the basic tenets of Satanism in an afternoon. Application and understanding and study are lifelong... but the basics are simple. Do a little homework.



Edited by Fnord (06/23/10 11:41 AM)
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#39605 - 06/27/10 09:31 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
Marcel Fontaine Offline
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Just a word of advice to the young people who are considering Satanism. If you want to know all about Satanism go to the bookstore and buy The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey that book will tell you all you need to know about Satanism.
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#39609 - 06/27/10 10:41 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Marcel Fontaine]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Marcel Fontaine
Just a word of advice to the young people who are considering Satanism. If you want to know all about Satanism go to the bookstore and buy The Satanic Bible by Anton Szandor LaVey that book will tell you all you need to know about Satanism.

No it won't, actually. Its "Book of Satan" and "Enochian Keys" had nothing whatever to do with Satanism, and the "Book of Lucifer" essays & "Book of Belial" ritual instructions reflected and were pertinent to the Church of Satan 1966-69. Within a year of its 1970 release, the SB was already obsolescing within the Church as the depth, implications, ramifications, and scope of Satanic theology, philosophy, and practical application continued to evolve.

Someone curious about Satanism would be better advised simply to visit the 600C and read extensively around it. I have said it before: Most of the posters here are impressively sophisticated and have taken the time & brainpower to really munch on this concept. What emerges is obviously not homogenous, but arguably Satanism neither need nor should be that. [The only pontificator here who is completely right all the time is of course myself.]

As for the original question of this thread, I would say [as I usually do] to anyone curious about "Satanism": Go away and try everything else first. If one of them punches your ticket, you will be happy and save Satanists the trouble of dealing with someone who really wants to be a Buddhist, Thelemite, Wiccan, Catholic, etc. Like Parsifal or Siegfried, the true seeker of the Black Flame must be pure of soul to perceive and receive it. Then there is no going back.
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#39647 - 06/28/10 10:48 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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Here is all the rage in the latest spiritual technology, Eye can either fallow the white light or crawl out the dark tunnel and back into the universe. We shall celebrate the divinity of life or horror in the glory of war. Any religion that has been built on a bedrock of blood is nothing more than a bastardized flipper-baby fit for the grill.

ta ta ;-)
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#40004 - 07/05/10 10:31 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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My biggest piece of advice to those starting out on their path is three fold. 1. Take Everything With A Grain Of Salt. 2. Don't Believe Everything You Hear Just Because Of Who It's Coming From. 3. Question Anything That Doesn't Sit Right With You.

I'd like to share a quote from a World Renown Religious Leader... "Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything simply on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find anything that agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."
~ Buddha ~
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#43149 - 09/22/10 03:14 AM Re: What Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: exadust]
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 Originally Posted By: exadust
...I would like some feedback on what I should expect in the years to come! ...

without knowing more about you and how your Satanism is playing out, it's very difficult to make such an assessment, but i'll do my best.

presuming that the greater hurdle of the satanic moral panic is behind us, and (at least in English speaking environs) secular authorities have put that subversion folklore to rest rather stridently for the foreseeable future, we are beginning to see additional waves of what i have labeled the Great Martyrdom Cult constructing more extreme goth-horror religious sects. these are more and more amusing in their character and ideologies, and what started with witchcraft religion in the 1950s and graduated to satanist religion in the 1960s was followed by vampire religion in the 80s-90s, an attempt (someone just wrote a Bible to reinvigorate it after Schreck and Co.!) at werewolf religion, and, so far in the late 90s and early 2000s, a demon-worshipping religion (text by Connolly et al is slightly better than other pitiful Lulu baubles for its chewability, but still silly and ignorant in spots). whereas i have outlined the theme in "Manifesto Satanika", the exact forms and characters will be amusing and surprising (the most fun i've seen so far is attempting to turn what is called 'the Cthulhu mythos' into a 4th Way vehicle).

meanwhile, the LaVeyan Satanism dynasty portion of our Satanity has crumbled a bit with the Death of Black Pope I, and the veneer has worn off of the sideshow pioneering that was the Church of Satan. cogent theistic and independent alternatives have been advocated in comparison and contrast, and a pop-cultural whorl from which to draw has roiled up during the last of the 20th century and initiated a post-modern, post-mortem phase to this Frankenstein Satan-monster. with blockbuster horror, multi-A and B-movie Fausts, and such comical escapades as Little Nicky dotting that provisual landscape, there is only ever more from which to choose to construct a modern self-religion of aesthetic delight and stimulation.

I think you'll witness the complete deposition of the Church of Satan as it gets more firmly behind the notion of individualism as the basis for Satanian virtue, else chance being left behind as a dinosaur. you'll probably see the rise of more blatant theistic Satanism and a flourish of controversy as its tentacles continue to manifest instances of all the issues indwelling to religion across the globe (human and other animal (pet!) sacrifice, abandoned historicity, unnecessary hierarchy, and of course the usual sociopolitical demons of the last century in fascism and serial killer motifs, at times combined with whacky Hermetic ancient Sumerian astronauts!).

pursuant to the theme of demon-worship, we can expect to see comparable ideological constructs as were featured in Asetian Biblical advocation, integrating reincarnation fantasy elitism and possible predatorial supremacy. within the novelty there will probably be role-playing emphasis on what 'being a demon really is', with legitimizing focussed on transphysical Hermetic world-hatred on the order of Gnosticism or misunderstood infantile sex-repression (BDSM role-playing). the best aspects of this will probably be epicurean and ecological, but given the likelihood that it will also sport an extensive mythos and may lay claim to ancient astronauts or Nine Unknown Men Illuminati Templar conspiracies, its finer aspects are liable to be buried in a heap of unsalvagable trash.

truly forward-looking aspiration in an intellectual mode such as is featured in the Temple of Set and the Dragon Rouge and other worthies may surpass the cul-de-sacs of ceremonial magic and Thelemic Beast-worship. if so, and they can somehow let go of their interests in looking back to Neopagan glories or into never-extant fantasy realms, they may offer conventional society something more potent as an alternative to secular ennui and existential angst.

where you may fit into any of this or how much of it you may encounter is very difficult to know, because it will depend on your proximity to the genius bringing it about, and your interest in seeking out whatever isn't near to you. the internet is likely to be an assist in this regard, and we are all blessed to have it available. the World Map feature of this site, in combination with a variety of networking devices such as instant messaging and Twitter, make possible connection to innovation in a timeliness unlike what has heretofore been known to the Satanic newbie.


Edited by nocTifer (09/22/10 03:22 AM)
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#43151 - 09/22/10 04:51 AM Re: What Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: nocTifer]
Dimitri Offline
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I am impressed...
You wrote down the history for what you think that belonged to Satanism. Start sucking your thumb for what you think shall happen while the non-present coherence receives a few more death-blows in the last paragraphs.

You really are a joke. What did that answer actually had to do with exadust's quoted part?

A good way of spreading pseudo-intellect and wasting my time.
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#43162 - 09/23/10 03:42 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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Just keep learning and don't over question someone. Be you and that is all that matters. Be satan and take it into your hands.

Hail Satan!!!
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#49108 - 02/18/11 03:33 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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Practical experience will illuminate the Dark in the self and all around, books are the subjecture of others, abstractions. Go to the abstractionless Source, assert your Sinister Will to Power through and over opposites in real life, presence the Dark through Sinister deeds and be vitalised. Be inspired to make your own path back to the crossroads where opposites come from—The Dark Night of the Soul. Cultivate Dark empathy. Use the images and ethos of that which was once your own conditioning to bring about anarchistic causal change and create new.

To never submit to anyone or anything including established orders of Satanism, out with the old and in with the new. Young people are the new.
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#49142 - 02/19/11 12:06 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Hegesias]
Dimitri Offline
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Practical experience will illuminate the Dark in the self and all around, books are the subjecture of others, abstractions. Go to the abstractionless Source, assert your Sinister Will to Power through and over opposites in real life, presence the Dark through Sinister deeds and be vitalised. Be inspired to make your own path back to the crossroads where opposites come from—The Dark Night of the Soul. Cultivate Dark empathy. Use the images and ethos of that which was once your own conditioning to bring about anarchistic causal change and create new.

You could have shortened it down towards "get out and away from behind the computer screen and start living (/experiencing) life". But then again, repeating that one sentence 100x will still result in people staying in cyberspace while chatting about their work/school or little escapades, not knowing there are things beyond that.
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#49160 - 02/19/11 05:17 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dimitri]
Hegesias Offline
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Simply going out and experiencing life does not necessarily advocate a practical application of any established or otherwise ones own Satanism/ Satanic philosophy, nor would simply 'getting out there' be indicative to the cultivation of sinister empathy for that matter. The world is populated by go lucky Homo Nullus pottering all over the place 'experiencing life', for all it's materialistic comforts and low level stimulation. In fact living bereft of human interactions for a peroid of some months will enable the initiate to attain a certain one-pointedness meditation/ insight into Him/ Herself.

From His/ Her study environment a Satanist may create/ forge swords of death, these would be Sinister musical or literary compositions to influence, create disruption/ causal change upon releasing them into the causal continuum. At the place of His/ Her study is as good as any. A subversive Sinister intellectual for example would at some point require to be preserved and fulfilled by the opposite more extrovert aspects of his potential. The point is to do Sinister deeds, what these are depend on the Sinister individuals natural Occult abilities among the other factors that also ought to be cultivated.

Sinister feminine traits/ abilities such as esoteric empathy and masculine Satanic qualities/ traits such as the assertion of Will to Power to be cultivated/ asserted through practical field work. A small group of Satanists/ participants may arrange a series of mental/ physical 'tests'. Building Sinister character, experience.
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#49162 - 02/19/11 06:23 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Hegesias]
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So basically, you are saying that in order to be a Satanist you need to go live in a cave and contemplate your naval (using your third eye, of course) for a period of time to cultivate your sinister empathy in order to be a sinister intellectual so you can go do sinister deeds with your natural occult abilities, sinister traits and sinister character.

Yeah, I get it.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Simply going out and experiencing life does not necessarily advocate a practical application of any established or otherwise ones own Satanism/ Satanic philosophy, nor would simply 'getting out there' be indicative to the cultivation of sinister empathy for that matter. The world is populated by go lucky Homo Nullus pottering all over the place 'experiencing life', for all it's materialistic comforts and low level stimulation.


So, what the fuck is wrong with experiencing life and its materialistic comforts?

Am I in the wrong forum? I thought I was on the Satanic forum, not the grotto of sinister virgin monks and wizards forum.

my bad.
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#49165 - 02/19/11 07:20 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Hegesias]
Jake999 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Simply going out and experiencing life does not necessarily advocate a practical application of any established or otherwise ones own Satanism/ Satanic philosophy, nor would simply 'getting out there' be indicative to the cultivation of sinister empathy for that matter. The world is populated by go lucky Homo Nullus pottering all over the place 'experiencing life', for all it's materialistic comforts and low level stimulation. In fact living bereft of human interactions for a peroid of some months will enable the initiate to attain a certain one-pointedness meditation/ insight into Him/ Herself.


Being able to afford materialistic comforts is by no means "un-Satanic." You've been doing well to this point, as far as the ONA talking points go, but having been poor enough to open a can of cat food for dinner and making it by my own efforts to afford a few luxuries in life, I can tell you that you can be just as Satanic with a full belly as an empty one. The difference is that when you're not trying to be "sinister," and oh so evil, you save the time in posturing for development of your skills and your knowledge base.

There's the old saw about the man who climbs the mountain to ask the guru living in a cave for wisdom. When he makes it to the guru's cave, he asks, "Oh great guru, what wisdom do you have to pass to me?"

The guru looks up from his meditations and says, "Living in a cave sucks."
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#49166 - 02/19/11 07:44 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LucyFur]
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 Originally Posted By: LucyFur
Am I in the wrong forum? I thought I was on the Satanic forum, not the grotto of sinister virgin monks and wizards forum.


This is the right forum my dear but some of us are quite different compared to Satanism as is. You are of course free to define your Satanism as you prefer but there are people that see it rather different.

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#49169 - 02/19/11 08:50 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
...Go to the abstractionless Source, assert your Sinister Will to Power through and over opposites in real life, presence the Dark through Sinister deeds and be vitalised.

This is something that a young Satanist would know HOW to do? For those who will look at you quizzically and scratch their heads, why do you want them to know this information in particular? Will you provide remedial instruction or references as to how to effect these practical (and I presume internal) feats? What might those be?

The rest seems self-explanatory or unimportant, thanks. \:\)
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#49170 - 02/19/11 09:43 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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What we do need to do is cultivate our innate Sinister/ Dark empathy with other beings, Nature/ the cosmos. To be in esoteric recognition with nature is built into us where abstraction, words and even consciousness does not pervade—it is our Sinister nature, we are the links to the Source of the Dark all around. In a simple way this means that Western Occultism is the product of Nazarene/ Hebrewish abstraction. Controled opposition, inversions of stasis is not bringing about anything much to do with change or the new.

Nobody can teach you to be a 'Satanist' because such a term is so enveloped in hebrewish/ Nazarene faeces these days that it's hard to wash off all the abstraction and be one with the Source, our Sinister nature. But in all seriousness, the use of this name Satan to strike fear into mundanes and to infiltrate forms of order such as Satanisms has it's object away from that in our own traditions. The Sinister current on the other hand is something very real and evident within us and Nature. Not everything in Nature is Dark but it may be presenced at certain times and places such as the culmination of the Dark within the wolf before the release—gnashing the prey to pieces, the Sinister inspiration of a poisoner, alive and evolving, quickening and stimulating her Dark intellectual activity as she smiles inwardly entertaining her victim before 'manifesting the Dark'.

We are the Sinister and this cannot be intellectualised nor consigned to the limited media of words or any established ethos. We will move through all and any of the worlds orderly systems and adapt to them whilst asserting and permeating our Sinister essence into everything. We are shapeless, We are change, we are heresy, we are Sinister.

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#49173 - 02/19/11 11:15 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999


Being able to afford materialistic comforts is by no means "un-Satanic." You've been doing well to this point, as far as the ONA talking points go, but having been poor enough to open a can of cat food for dinner and making it by my own efforts to afford a few luxuries in life, I can tell you that you can be just as Satanic with a full belly as an empty one. The difference is that when you're not trying to be "sinister," and oh so evil, you save the time in posturing for development of your skills and your knowledge base.

There's the old saw about the man who climbs the mountain to ask the guru living in a cave for wisdom. When he makes it to the guru's cave, he asks, "Oh great guru, what wisdom do you have to pass to me?"

The guru looks up from his meditations and says, "Living in a cave sucks."


Exactly. If I want to hear about the evils of materialism I will go to the Baptist church, or better yet, turn on one of those TV preachers whose wife is decked out in diamonds and furs. It's easy to talk about the evils of materialism when you have never been hungry.
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#49175 - 02/19/11 11:27 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo

This is the right forum my dear but some of us are quite different compared to Satanism as is. You are of course free to define your Satanism as you prefer but there are people that see it rather different.

D.


Ah yes, Diavolo that is true. My remark was aimed primarily at the anti-materialism remark as monks typically take a vow of poverty and cut themselves off from society. Perhaps in my haste, I did not make that clear enough.
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#49182 - 02/20/11 12:42 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LucyFur]
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The object of my post has been put into in misrepresentation, so thank you for the opportunity to juxtapose:

The difference is that when you're not trying to be "sinister," and oh so evil, you save the time in posturing for development of your skills and your knowledge base. [sic]

So to impose that seeking knowledge, that the development of skills is somehow separate from what is evil because there is a supposed 'trying to be so' involved wasting the time of a Sinister individual is fallacy. Why? because those who are Sinister are Sinister and do not 'try to be Sinister', we assert our Will and nature into and over all we do. Dialectics will not be discussed/ detailed on this particular board any more most likely because I will be repeating earlier posts that were clear enough. But I will say that opposites reinforce/ fulfil one another so without breaking out of ones comfort zone ones all mighty self might as well be built upon quicksand.

Rather it is clear that I was pointing away from the pitiless painting of societal banality. They who spend their lives grovelling for the slave rations, hay and a barn that society offers them like well praised beasts of burden. That we can bring about actuality/ change from our unmanifest potential instead of accepting mediocrity.

Obviously we have 'things' in our lives, I don't have a t.v. but I have books, some of which you all surely own as well, my living room in my flat is a gym, Olympic plates/ bench etc. I have my musical instruments. There is a 'difference' between what are the tools that can aid our progressions, manifest our inspirations, and what are simply the cheap gimmicky gadgets made to entertain worthless mental cripples and deluge them in what they deserve.

I was homeless for over a year and part of that was 2 months rough continuous and never went hungry. Back to the quiet wood where I was staying, behind a Christian church. I would go there late, and listen to the silence of night. Time went so slowly and the whole experience was one of my most important learning experiences, as this alone time helped cultivate a lucid intelligence that outsiders might know as misanthropy.

Independence is something that hubris mundanes mistake for being subserviently assimilated into the grid of the establishment because they have a job, car and nagging wife and obnoxious kids. So my advice to young Satanists is to be found on my other posts in more exoteric clarity, on this board, as this was a reply to aforementioned foolhardiness of certain Satanists all in respect.
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#49187 - 02/20/11 01:26 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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I believe it was George Herbert who first wrote, “Living well is the best revenge.” One might paraphrase it by stating, “Living well is a Satanist’s best revenge.” That’s of course not advocating mindless consumerism or shallow materialism, but I would certainly rather drink a $20 bottle vodka than Popov, have the funds to drive thru the forests and hills of Maine on a modest vacation trek, and purchase the sound equipment needed to actualize my audio ambitions than not do any of those things for the sake of some dubious notion of Satanic asceticism.

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#49192 - 02/20/11 02:36 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Hegesias]
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I have something of a soft spot for ONA literature. However, it is quite evident that a lot of these online ONAers are obsessed with the notion of slumming.

Dropping out of society for a span in order to cultivate Sinister Empathy/Awareness or what-have-you is all fine and well as a means to "know thyself", however, its practical benefits are rather limited. Would it not be equally benficial and 'testing' to set slightly more difficult goals - in addition to tramping/homelessness, that is. Worldly success and material gain might also be considered worthwhile insight roles.

Just a thought.


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#49201 - 02/20/11 06:54 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Clarence]
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Some of us lack the need for the material. This apartment is rather empty, I sleep on a couch, have no television, seldom listen to music and have no objects that contain a past. If I move, I'll get rid of everything I had before and only drag my books along, or at least those I deem worthy.

Mind you, I am doing well financially but the money itself does not interest me too much. Neither does buying anything fancy with it. Why? Simply because I don't feel that need. I lack that dependency. Getting rid of that dependency gave me a freedom not many will understand.

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#49203 - 02/20/11 07:37 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Diavolo]
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Okay, I very much resonate with that. But to come to that point I've been to the extremities. The highs and the lows... having found joy in luxury and excess for its own sake, and the penury in which I found a simple life.

I no longer lack anything, but there is little if anything that I would not walk away from without tears.

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#49207 - 02/20/11 10:42 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Clarence]
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Re : Jake and the cat food situation.
I never quite understood why anyone would eat cat food when they are broke. I noticed that some human food is sometimes cheaper then certain brands of cat food. For example a pound of dry pasta is not much more then a can of cat food.

General reply: I’ve been broke to the point of not having anything to eat except for some old potatoes. Couldn’t even afford butter or salt for them.
I’ve also been in a position that when I go to the supermarket I don’t have to look at any prices, I can put anything that I fancy into my cart. I much more prefer these times. I do believe that the “hungry days,” allows me to appreciate the better day even more.

To me money is very important, not because of the “stuff” that it can afford me (I’m a minimalist so I don’t need nor desire “stuff”) but because of the independence and security that it can provide.

To date, not once have I heard a person who has a decent amount of money claim that they would rather be without it.
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#49211 - 02/20/11 11:15 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
To date, not once have I heard a person who has a decent amount of money claim that they would rather be without it.


Millionaire gives away fortune that made him miserable

There are more examples out there. Even the movie "into the wild" is using this theme.

D.

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#49222 - 02/20/11 12:55 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Re : Jake and the cat food situation.
I never quite understood why anyone would eat cat food when they are broke. I noticed that some human food is sometimes cheaper then certain brands of cat food. For example a pound of dry pasta is not much more then a can of cat food.


I believe the reason most often given is that a can of cat or dog food offers more useful nutrients for humans for the same amount of money than the more typical cheap foodstuffs like pasta. Pets can live fine by eating nothing but their canned food, but a person will not do so well on a longish term diet of the least expensive human food.

That being said, anyone with pets knows how gross and unappetizing “wet” cat food can be to a person’s senses, so I’d rather stick with potatoes, rice, flour, etc.

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#49223 - 02/20/11 01:04 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Tesseract]
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I agree it isn't the most pleasant thing to eat. I ate it to find out how it tasted and to see if I could "stomach" it.

I can but I'd personally pick another choice of food, if available, to survive upon. Like the cat.

D.

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#49228 - 02/20/11 01:49 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Diavolo]
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I hope you would make up some sweet and sour sauce for that particular dish. Meow Chow!

Anyway, I won't post my healthy and cheap bodybulding dishes on this board but I suppose I have contributed enough to this board in topic so I'll just leave a recipe you can make in the wilds with nothing but a mixing bowl with non perishable ingredients.

Natural protein powder 14 ounces (I use chocolate flavour though)
Organic rolled oats 7 ounces
Fat-free milk/ heat treated non perishable or just water.
Natural peanut butter 3 ounces (I use a whole jar)
Organic honey 3 ounces
Organic ground Flax seed to roll the bars in.

The instructions are extremely complex.

1. Dump everything in a bowl and squish it together with your hands. Only only add water enough to wet the ingredients, it should be like concrete. Don't use a spoon because it would just break. 2. Roll in your hands in some flax to make random shaped bars and place them in your container to set.

260 calories
35g protein
21g carbs
15% calories from good fats and omega 3's

About 50 pence a bar that last a week when covered. If you don't have water with you, you will die fast because these are nice as fuck and taste like Snickers bars with 100% healthy ingredients. Coincidentally they look exactly like turds so if a thief comes by and finds your stash of health food, they'll probably think it's a potty and won't even attempt to steal your shit.
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#49229 - 02/20/11 01:49 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Diavolo]
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You know, I never thought about how nutritious dry pasta would have been. After scrounging bottles all day to buy something that I could eat, I should have just looked for that luxurious kitchen, there under the steps of the building where I slept. But if I HAD been able to afford someplace to live in, anyplace to live in...

It's ok. People here are thinking in today's terms and in today's environment, when broke meant "on welfare" or "on unemployment" or I need a few bucks to see me through until next week. When I was on the streets, it was ON THE STREETS literally, in a town undergoing gang wars and race riots.

I'm not looking for sympathy... I put myself in the situation that I was in, and I managed to get myself out of it eventually. Simply stating that I know of which I speak. Poverty is not something I read about in a book and decided that it would be a noble or eccentric quality to be belly-rumbling, survival mode hungry. And yes, I ate crow and went home with my tail between my legs until my recruiter called and said I was in. Life's lessons learned.
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#49230 - 02/20/11 02:11 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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“I've been rich and I've been poor. Believe me, rich is better.”

--- attributed to numerous individuals, including Sophie Tucker, Mae West, Gertrude Stein, and W.C. Fields

Jake:
As I read your post describing parts of your early life on the streets I found myself wondering if that was before or after your military service, just for reference. Thanks for the interesting take on the topic.

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#49231 - 02/20/11 02:18 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Tesseract]
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Teseract:

This was a period just prior to entering the military. It was during the 20 years I spent in the military that I learned how to set reasonable goals and build on them, muster resources, etc. In many ways, I credit the military and the tools it gave me for my later successes in life.
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#49233 - 02/20/11 02:39 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Tesseract]
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As I've mentioned elsewhere, there are two distinctly different paths in "today's" Satanism (conveniently ignoring reversed christianity). We have the conventional path which has most of its origin in Laveyan Satanism and that puts the emphasis on advancing ones position in society and pleasure, and we have the unconventional path, of which ONA is a prime example, which puts the emphasis on personal transcendence and something which could be seen as duty.

The unconventional path steers Satanism back into the heterodox since it is of the opinion that is where Satanism belongs, and, because people on this path, are by nature heterodox. Those on the conventional path have a hard time understanding detachment from the material but others see materialism as so culturally ingrained it isn't even seen as the weakness it is. What is does to many/most is enslave them.

Of course, many will find this laughable. None is enslaved or addicted to anything. Anyone can quit anything any time.

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#49236 - 02/20/11 02:59 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
Those on the conventional path have a hard time understanding detachment from the material but others see materialism as so culturally ingrained it isn't even seen as the weakness it is. What is does to many/most is enslave them.

Of course, many will find this laughable. None is enslaved or addicted to anything. Anyone can quit anything any time.

D.


Being of the admittedly LaVeyan philosophy, (what can I say, I learned well at the side of the master), before people start complaining about how bad they have it from a position of comfort, please remember RULE 8 of the Eleven Satanic Rules of the Earth, being, "Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself."

As a service to any "satanist" who feels burdened by comforts and materialistic devices, especially MONEY, I would be more than happy to take that burden from you and allow you to wallow in the superiority of poverty. No!!! No need to thank me. I know it's a hardship for me to gather and gain more STUFF, because I'm enslaved by a healthy savings and checking account already... the complete SADNESS of being able to buy what one wants... it's heartbreaking. But because I so much love YOU and want YOU to be the best "satanist" you can be (and to avoid whiny bitching on the boards)... I will sacrifice of myself. I will take your unwanted cash, bonds, cars, boats... I've got enough computers and bedroom furniture... but if anyone is seriously burdened by a 30 ft cabin cruiser...
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#49238 - 02/20/11 03:03 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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Like I said, it is evidently hard to understand for some. I am not burdened by money, I just hardly care about it. It is a tool which enables me to pursue certain goals but money does not buy me status nor identity. Neither does anything I can buy with it.

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#49239 - 02/20/11 03:45 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Tesseract]
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 Originally Posted By: Tesseract

That being said, anyone with pets knows how gross and unappetizing “wet” cat food can be to a person’s senses, so I’d rather stick with potatoes, rice, flour, etc.


While I certainly won't judge what others are willing to eat in a desperate situation, (as a vegetarian I will be the first to shoot a squirrel out of a tree to feed my family if the need arises), but I find that vegetables, legumes, and whole grains are usually cheap, easy to get, and provide adequate nutrition.

Nowadays, people are complaining about the price of food going up yet I eat cheaply because I don't buy meat or processed, convenience foods. While I can certainly afford higher priced foods I choose to eat healthier soups, raw fruits and veggies, and whole grain breads. I can also afford nicer clothes but don't see the need for it.

On the other hand, it is nice to have the money to travel, pay for car repairs or buy a new washer when the old one dies. Money is important in that it frees us to pursue our passions. Without it, we are often too busy trying to make ends meet to have any time or energy left over to pursue our passions.
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#49240 - 02/20/11 04:00 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LucyFur]
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 Originally Posted By: LucyFur

On the other hand, it is nice to have the money to travel, pay for car repairs or buy a new washer when the old one dies. Money is important in that it frees us to pursue our passions. Without it, we are often too busy trying to make ends meet to have any time or energy left over to pursue our passions.


Exactly. Money is a tool, same as any other. Use it or abuse it.
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#49243 - 02/20/11 04:46 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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Indeed Jake money is nothing but a tool.

When I look around in my life, I see many people constantly hunting down the newest, biggest or best. Much what they buy is done because their status requires it and instead of it being practical or enjoyable, it becomes something to define themselves by, to show others they can, or can too. Their possessions start to define them and their identity becomes the very hardware they own. Take it all away and they become the nothingness they are.

Even the things they define as enjoyable are often only bringing them joy the period between the desire and the buy, and for a very brief time after that. Then it becomes just another thing and to compensate the loss of joy, they again have to gather something new. It is consumerism at its finest, a mental virus keeping them so busy gathering, there is very little left besides it.

It makes them predictable and harmless and the very risk of losing it all keeps them on the leash.

But the very man that has nothing to lose, either because he has nothing or cares for nothing, becomes unpredictable and dangerous and through releasing himself from this leash, able to do whatever he is compelled to do.

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#49246 - 02/20/11 04:59 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LucyFur]
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Sound nutritional advice Lucyfur, really sound. I eat 4-5 meals in accordance to bodybuilding foods including the list you mentioned (except squirrel, I replace that with lean steak, chicken etc.)

So for some more sound advice, I'd say that two of the most important decisions any young person can make are.

1. Learn how to defend yourself through martial arts training including western boxing. This will also enable you to meet other progressive persons who are not on drugs and drink.

2. Move your mind and body into prime conditioning through progressive exercise and to learn to read nutritional labels on food packaging to make sure you are getting all the nutrients your mind and body need to learn and function efficiently. As an example, religious rituals such as fasting have an enormously damaging impact on neurological function and serve to cultivate serious mental illness symptoms such as those related to depression/ paranoia, due to the lack of carbohydrate, vitamin and mineral supplementation needed for healthy/ sane brain and nervous system functionality.

It's no good to simply assume you are some bad ass Satanist that nobody will fuck with and hope for the best so to learn how to respond in real life combat is paramount.

All endeavours in life require a healthy mind and body to be the best you can be (the most dangerous you can be).
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#49248 - 02/20/11 05:06 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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It's not luxury that's a burden, it's dependence on that luxury. A lot of people have plenty, but don't appreciate what they do have. Some have a sense of a entitlement or a compulsive need for a certain standard of living, whether they can afford it or not.

If you can afford what you like and you appreciate it because you know what it's like to go without, you're not dependent. If you would get bent out of shape if circumstance caused you to cut back slightly on what you currently enjoy (even though you'd still be comfortably far from serious need), that's a problem.

It's not that people should go without what they want, it's that some have trouble distinguishing between want and need.
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#49250 - 02/20/11 05:34 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Very true XiaoGui17!

Besides work income, we own a farm. Some years the farm does well and we get paid. Other years we wind up having to pay into the farm account because the price of fuel and seed go up and the price of wheat and other crops go down. That is the way of the world and we live with it. Some years we get a vacation and some years we don't. When it is a lean year and we need to tighten up our belt we do so without complaint. So what! Our kids have never gone hungry or cold and we use the lean years to teach them the difference between 'want' and 'need'. Compared to 3/4 of the world we are lucky.

Diovolo is right about consumerism. It is a disease which plagues the masses of the so-called civilized world. It is a cancer which will eat the souls of its victims alive when left unchecked.

Jake is dead on right too - money is a tool, to be used wisely.
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#49278 - 02/21/11 02:40 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Hegesias]
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As an example, religious rituals such as fasting have an enormously damaging impact on neurological function and serve to cultivate serious mental illness symptoms such as those related to depression/ paranoia, due to the lack of carbohydrate, vitamin and mineral supplementation needed for healthy/ sane brain and nervous system functionality.

A distinction should be made between fasting for a long period of time and on short term. There are indications that fasting for a day or 2 every other day might improve insulin levels, a better neuronal resistence against injury. It is also being said that an animal/human who has known thougher times and had to fast every other day might have prolonged lifespans.

Studies:
1 http://www.pnas.org/content/100/10/6216.full
2 http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/6/1921.full

But then again, you are absolutely right about the religious fasting.
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#49409 - 02/22/11 09:24 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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Hippie tree hugging is useful if you need shade or oxygen like some of us. You just have to know when enough is enough already. You can't survive well if you don't learn because you cannot adapt when necessary. I'm 44 and don't know if that's old or young in your opinion. You don't know what I've read and I don't know everything you've read so we're here to inform each other as best we may.

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#49487 - 02/24/11 02:25 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: heretic]
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My advice to young Satanists.

Many young Satanist may feel isolated due to those close to you having a lack of understanding of your powerful philosophy that many cannot recognise. If there is family rowing/ argument, or sometimes abuse in their own family home, even at ages of 20 or so young people can be put into situations by the governing ones of the residence, abusive boyfriends, even family members can be abusing their power in those mundane situations.

So, if anyone tries to coerce you to do anything against your will, harm you, make you do something unnatural/ uncomfortable or otherwise inappropriate, including financial abuse, tell everyone you know what happened or what is going on as best you can. Because you are a Satanist you can walk into any situation that is mundane and get the ignorant to wake up about the real world and possibly ruin their day with the truth, which is ok because you are most important. Selfishness is ok for Satanism as we are not shallow persons, do not confuse selfishness with the shallowness of the mundanes, an intelligent selfish person will be supportive of close ones to better their bond and strengthen the pack much like wolves do. If your family will not listen or it is them doing the abuse be independent of them and go to law enforcement, they are there to serve (pun because I am amoral).

If anyone tries to make you do anything against your will that is unnatural or otherwise invading, promising rewards in their Satanist circle no matter how handsome/ charming or even intimidating they are, this is not honourable Satanists that you are dealing with but a sociopath/ s or simply depraved persons 'using' the allure and darkness of Satanism to colour their inane persona, to sway you to their ulterior motives.

Satanists do not submit to anyone or anything with the right to reject (with natural revenge if you do so wish) to the suggestions, orders or instructions of others that are not respecting your privacy. So don't ever submit to anyone or anything imposing shit onto you, and don't have to feel bad because you are not like them who have done something bad to you, as we Satanists are honourable we realise that it is the mundanes who are revolting by their deeds they do, and that we Satanists have respect for one another. Anyone who does not respect you is mundane, ignoble, unnatural and nothing to do with Satanism.
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#49513 - 02/24/11 08:50 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Hegesias]
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Excellent points. I especially like this:
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If anyone tries to make you do anything against your will that is unnatural or otherwise invading, promising rewards in their Satanist circle no matter how handsome/ charming or even intimidating they are, this is not honourable Satanists that you are dealing with but a sociopath/ s or simply depraved persons 'using' the allure and darkness of 1. Satanism to colour their inane persona, to sway you to their ulterior motives.



I think this is a trap for many newbies who attempt to join just about any philosophy. There will often be a washed up piece of shit declaring themselves to be a guru, who will use the ignorance of the newbie to gain power over them, instead of giving guidance.
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#49532 - 02/24/11 12:33 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dan_Dread]
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[quote=Dan_Dread]I only have one thing to say to young people that think they are Satanists:Most of you are not now, nor will you ever be Satanists.

Agreed! I've been in contact with lots of would-be-young-Satanists in the last few years and most of them were just teens with tatoos listening to heavy metal, but for one or two.
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#49827 - 02/26/11 06:17 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jake999]
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i would just like to say i really like your quote or if it isn't a quote at all but i believe it to be a quote so i believe and think and know you are very clever person. i just felt like complementing you because i've noticed that when i complement different people it makes me really happy. if you don't know what i am talking about i am talking about that clever 2 line sentence u wrote at the bottom of your reply. i would like to add a sentence to that sentence that was at the bottom of your reply to that person of whom i have no idea or remember what his display name is. by the way this is just my belief so don't think, believe, or know that i am trying to change the way you think, believe, and know. when someone dies who is close to you don't let your emotions control you permanently just let them slightly control you so you can get your inner emotions out UNLESS... you are able to ritualistically take out your inner emotions unlike me because if i were to perform satanic rituals in my basement or room i would always be interrupted by my ignorant, judgmental, and extremely hypocritical mom and sister. now back to what i was originally talking about. even though i was already originally talking about what i was trying to talk about and explain. after you have let out your inner emotions try your best to become in complete control of your conscious and you will learn to become happy and successful in life. again thats just my belief. I hope this somehow didn't offend anyone if so please contact me in however you want to contact me and i will be glad to answer and explain your questions as best as i can. i guess since what i talked about above makes this info important to not only you but important to everybody else on this forum. HAIL SATAN!!!! :]
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#49829 - 02/26/11 06:19 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: ktrapani16]
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#84648 - 02/01/14 04:19 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I only have one thing to say to young people that think they are Satanists:Most of you are not now, nor will you ever be Satanists.


Circa 2008! Still true - but I'm thinking... have you evolved? as in if someone posed the same question in 2014 you'd answer differently?

Ever wonder what became of the OP? Like just 'cuz?

As in you were right... and after a time they sorta dropped it. Or who knows is priest in the C/S... or just.... vanished - met some girl, shit was good, and fuck all with forums and the what-not.

2008. Time flies, no?

Yeah.

Time flies. Is what older "satanists" want younger satanists to know.

Except they can't. they won't know until it has happened.

"Run rabbit, run" \:D (besides, it's fun)

also breathe

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrojrDCI02k

Death and the Devil are not the same - it is (for the record) what I'd wish others knew.

Kindred, yes - Death and the Devil they are.

One in the same?

No.


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#84698 - 02/02/14 09:35 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Although I respect people who have been practicing satanists for some time I don't think ageism should really come into the equation. I'm not even talking on my own behalf on this matter as I'll admit I have a lot to learn and put into practice. The main reason I'm playing the don't judge a book by it's cover card is due to the amount of youths or young adults who have successfully navigated the world of business and are now millionaires, even billionaires - Mark Zuckerberg immediately comes to mind. If Satanism is about bettering yourself then there are younger people out there who have achieved more then many on this forum ever will or could ever hope to.

The young also have something else on their side, that being time. The fact so much information is easily accessible to our generation means that by the time we're older we'll have laid our hands on advances in psychology, science and technology that Anton LaVey never could have hoped for. It is what we do with our time and information that makes the difference between the hunter and the hunted. All those youngsters playing 'candy crush' and sending dick pics are being used by the internet rather then using the internet. Anton warned that television is the new religion of the masses? Well let the new warning be that it will most likely be the internet, it will either be an opiate or a steroid, a sedative or a something to build stength and personal power.

I'm also happy to acknowledge the wannabes, the necessary evil that are the drop outs. The CoS has probably made more money selling books to this form of passing trade then they ever have from those who actually took their works as a platform to build and refine their practice over years and decades. I doubt the CoS complain if it is lining their pockets, do you?

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#84703 - 02/02/14 01:00 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Cerebral]
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Of course they're not complaining (neither am I).

As for the rest of the post, yeah, excellent points one and all. I can't for the life of me suggest "grow up", "stop being so derpish", "stop thinking you know everything", because really, these are qualities I also see in some 30 year-olds.

Age and maturity are often times two completely different things.

So age-wise the only thing that comes to mind is "take advantage of the time you have", and (once again) time really does fly.

It is almost as if every year becomes progressively shorter. Teenagers, I think, start to realize this BUT it really does become quite notable into your 20s.


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#84715 - 02/02/14 05:29 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Yeah, I'm realizing that, it's weird how our perceptions of time change the older we get. Perhaps it's because we wish to achieve more and seek more pleasure out of life. As a child I don't remember truly gauging time, day from night, winter from summer, it was just one continuum.

I think every Satanist should use time to their advantage, I am slightly envious of the generations to come, what world might they inhabit? So long as the worlds governments don't mess everything up which they seem to do effortlessly, but then it is also the voters responsibility to demand certain standards, standards that most non-satanists fail to set.

Also as a Satanist in his early twenties, I don't particularly seek mentoring, I don't really want it as it'd take the fun out of the learning process. I like to associate with other Satanists hence why I'm on this forum and of course you can indirectly pick up on ideas one may have overlooked or not thought about before. Satanism isn't just about hedonism and indulgence, there is also an element of self control and self responsibility/accountability within it and I like that, being conscious of who I am and who I want to be. There is the so called rock 'n' roll in Satanism but there is also a lot more to it then that.

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#84718 - 02/02/14 05:49 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Cerebral]
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I reckon you're pretty much on the up and up.

No mentoring to be found here - just tet-a-tet. Personally I don't give a fuck how old or young someone is - it is by their words and words alone that I judge. No need to ask permission to swim - just swim (or sink).

I'd say you basically have the math down, all figured out mostly. I'd also say that it probably doesn't matter what I say. If so, "good!" - it shouldn't.

The time thing... the way that years get shorter. That is the one thing I would recommend keeping an eye on. It's the one piece of advice I wish I would've given myself (not sure if I'd listen though)...

Morality-wise... what is life? That's all for you to discern. No one, no matter how supposedly qualified is capable of answering those questions for you.

I suspect you get this. I wouldn't go so far as to say it makes you "elite" BUT I do observe that very few do - make of that what you will - I can't call it.

Carry on. It's not an "age" thing. It's a maturity thing. With that, I'd say you're probably in good-company here. No one's asking you to shell out $200 for a red card or contribute to a 'zine. Your thoughts stand as they are.

Forums and typing are not the be all-end all... but this is about as good as it gets, given what it is.

I suspect you'll do quite well. I also suspect my opinion does not matter - which is all the more reason that you will get along quite well.
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#84965 - 02/11/14 03:50 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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I am young a Satanist.
How I take Satanism is learning,growing,and studies.
I take Satanism as a IQ,you cannot lower your IQ,its the ability to gain.

I think that age does not matter,but what you want out of Satanism,
What you think it is first,and allow yourself to learn from it.

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#84967 - 02/11/14 10:16 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Jonestown tea]
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 Quote:

I am young a Satanist

If you say so.

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How I take Satanism is learning,growing,and studies.

Everyone does these things.

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I take Satanism as a IQ,you cannot lower your IQ,its the ability to gain.

Everyone 'gains' or thinks they do.

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I think that age does not matter,but what you want out of Satanism,
What you think it is first,and allow yourself to learn from it.

Age does not matter but yet often with age comes a greater ability to both understand what you are about and express it coherently. Yes, you are obviously quite young ;\)
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#86650 - 04/22/14 11:27 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Mike]
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Life and it's experiences are the best teachers.

At 41 I look back on my life and see even when I was clueless to Satanism and it's Philosophy I was indeed a satanist. It took my getting to the end of the road and having no one else to go other than back from where I came from - which wasn't a option or going another direction - I chose another direction - LHP. This is when I researched Satanism and read everything I could get my hands on and I soon realized who and what I was. Needless, to say my life lessons learnt and my own inner knowing is what brought me to self realization.


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#86651 - 04/22/14 11:35 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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I think this is a trap for many newbies who attempt to join just about any philosophy. There will often be a washed up piece of shit declaring themselves to be a guru, who will use the ignorance of the newbie to gain power over them, instead of giving guidance.


Do you join a philosophy? What's wrong with using pawns as a means to an end? Is there something immoral about doing so? Why are others entitled to your guidance?

I dunno As, this is the furthest thing from my 'Satanism' I can fathom. It would be like being a stage magician and revealing the trick out of a moral obligation to the audience.
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#86658 - 04/22/14 03:26 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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I think this is a trap for many newbies who attempt to join just about any philosophy. There will often be a washed up piece of shit declaring themselves to be a guru, who will use the ignorance of the newbie to gain power over them, instead of giving guidance.


Do you join a philosophy? What's wrong with using pawns as a means to an end? Is there something immoral about doing so? Why are others entitled to your guidance?

I dunno As, this is the furthest thing from my 'Satanism' I can fathom. It would be like being a stage magician and revealing the trick out of a moral obligation to the audience.


So you straight-up admit being a bullshit artist, liar, and game-player, and exploiting those under your tutelage as mere pawns to your own ends, with no sense of duty to their well-being?

Red flag, much?

Not that this is news or anything, but it's always grand to hear it from the horse's mouth.


You can argue "it ain't immoral" all you wish, maybe spin it as "Machiavellianism", but if you wish to make the dogmatic moral value judgment that it's "ok", don't expect others to share such or be impressed, particularly those on the receiving end or those others tarred by association with "Satanism". Anyone with sharp instincts would have alarm bells ringing by now.

If you feel entitled to tolerance to the above and get pissy and catty when that "entitlement" isn't met, guess what: you have no such right, nor are others obliged to extend such tolerance. That's a false sense of entitlement right there, indicative of a grossly inflated ego.

I don't see Satanism preaching "turn the other cheek" either, so for anyone who finds themselves on the sharp end this is particularly pertinent. There is strength in numbers too.
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#86662 - 04/22/14 04:06 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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 Originally Posted By: Adrian Savage

So you straight-up admit being a bullshit artist, liar, and game-player, and exploiting those under your tutelage as mere pawns to your own ends, with no sense of duty to their well-being?

Red flag, much?


White Knighting is no longer avant-garde. Didn't you get the memo?

Also, personal attacks are something I liken to nails on a chalkboard.

Up your game or be gone.
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#86663 - 04/22/14 05:23 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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At least I'm intellectually honest about it, to the unsuspecting? I'd lie my ass off to my benefit. So?

Perhaps, while you wagging your moral finger at me you'll come correct and just come out with it already. I see you bug-a-boo.
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#86666 - 04/22/14 05:39 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Adrian Savage


So you straight-up admit being a bullshit artist, liar, and game-player, and exploiting those under your tutelage as mere pawns to your own ends, with no sense of duty to their well-being?

Red flag, much?



White Knighting is no longer avant-garde. Didn't you get the memo?


LMAO. If it weren't the pot calling the kettle black, I would bet he/she is a good Christian.

Read his/her first post and you will get a clue.

SIN3 has been around here since May 2013 and Adrian Savage put up with her for all this time and he/she's been here since 2012. It's just this month he/she started following her like crazy.

So c'mon Adrian, whose sock are you?

Or should we start a guessing game?

Not too many options here. Sooner or later we will manage to sink the ship.
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#86670 - 04/22/14 06:30 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
 Originally Posted By: Adrian Savage

So you straight-up admit being a bullshit artist, liar, and game-player, and exploiting those under your tutelage as mere pawns to your own ends, with no sense of duty to their well-being?

Red flag, much?


White Knighting is no longer avant-garde. Didn't you get the memo?

Also, personal attacks are something I liken to nails on a chalkboard.

Up your game or be gone.

Duly noted. Although the aforementioned poster did openly admit to having such characteristics, so I take it they are a point of pride rather than anything considered personally derogatory. Openly admitting to such seems to go against a cardinal rule of Lesser Black Magic, and signal a warning sign to those considering rational self-interest.

Such ties in directly with this topic, as with my having walked the Left-Hand Path for many years now, forming such practical judgments of character seem to be something newer Satanists would be best to seriously consider. There are a lot of frauds out there, Caveat Emptor.

Not to mention, she also directed personal attacks at myself.

Also, "White Knighting" is precisely what the (good Christian) poster above me is doing. Contrary to her position, such judgments can be made for oneself purely pragmatically without moralistic dogma.

Nevertheless, warning taken.
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#86674 - 04/22/14 07:06 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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Then let's be more forthright about your motives here. Since you glorify 'honesty' and all.

I wish I had a pig-heart for the truth like you do. /Sarcasm

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Tell me again about my duty.
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#86678 - 04/22/14 08:16 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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Then let's be more forthright about your motives here.

I call out bullshit. Doing so is a source of joy and provides immense fulfillment and satisfaction. Any public benefit is a spin-off. If you depend on bullshit it will get called. Got a problem with that?


 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Tell me again about my duty.

I'm not a Deontologist so that's deflection at best. By all means, you decide that question. I will ask some of my own below:


Tell me about the duties you ascribe to others in terms of tolerance of your manipulation, exploitation and dishonesty, and your rights to such tolerance.

When said tolerance is not forthcoming and/or your lies are called out, how do you feel about getting angry (as if an injustice was committed or an entitlement not met), lashing out in a catty and spiteful manner, and resorting to backbiting and other assorted relational aggression?

Tell me about the duties you ascribe to others in terms of tolerance of that, and your rights to such tolerance.

Finally: Place yourself in the shoes of another (that part might be difficult for you) and, with sharp instincts, form a practical judgment based on rational self-interest. What would they make of you? Would you be judged worthy of trust?
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#86680 - 04/22/14 08:39 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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Back to the topic at hand.

Older satanists would like younger satanists to know___ that with a little experience, you too can have an active online life full of drama and Unicode fisticuffs as demonstrated above.

That civil discourse is a true sign of nomianism - we must at all times be at each others throats.

That if you spend enough time in forums you *must* take it VERY seriously and VERY personally.

That it helps to air out your dirty laundry (and others while you're at it) for all to see. Settling differences in private is so mundane.

That sock-accounts are the "real" lesser magic.

That maturity and tact are for losers.


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#86683 - 04/23/14 01:15 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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I get your point in regards to my post that you were responding to. What it boils down to for me, is that I don't like the idea of using/abusing others even if it would benefit me. At this point if someone would look to me for guidance in some way, my preference would be to send them on their way and suggest that they figure things out for themselves, or find someone else, because I just don't want to be bothered, but I also wouldn't want to manipulate them.

I don't believe that I would feel good about achieving anything that was the result of negatively using others, or their ignorance.

My personal honor is worth far more then any reward that I could get by giving it up. I don't expect anyone else to live by my values or even to respect them. It has worked for me in the long run, it allows me to sleep very well at night and I prefer to deal with people who also have a strong honor code, even if it doesn't match my own.

If a person cannot be trusted to stand by their word, to the best of their ability, I can't respect them, no matter what their achievements might be.

However, I only desire to be honorable to those who have similar traits. The rest, if given a choice, I would rather not deal with at all.

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Do you join a philosophy? What's wrong with using pawns as a means to an end? Is there something immoral about doing so? Why are others entitled to your guidance?

I dunno As, this is the furthest thing from my 'Satanism' I can fathom. It would be like being a stage magician and revealing the trick out of a moral obligation to the audience.


Using your stage magician analogy; Generally I don't desire to be a performer. I may do magic tricks and enjoy sharing it with others, but mostly it will be for my own entertainment.

I don't believe one joins a philosophy. Instead a person develops their own, and attempts to find others who have similar views and then if they wish to do so, joins them.

If a person wants to use pawns as a means to an end, and it works for them, then that's their business. It's just not beneficial in the long run for me. I don't believe in morality or immorality as defined by others, I define it for myself.

No one is entitled to anything really, including the guidance of another. Guidance can be given or not given. It's up to each person to decide what they wish to do.
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#86693 - 04/23/14 05:37 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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I kind of get his take, as a sort of 'code of honor'. Of course, when it comes to Satanism if a person swallows everything they are told by a 'mentor' whole, they pretty much did bring it on themselves if they were used. Blindly swallowing what a mentor says would go against a 'Satanic mindset'.

However, at times people may look to benefit from a 'teacher' by getting help, but not blind trust. With certain things, people 'mentoring' others is essential to keeping them going. I used to be in Air Conditioning School, while I wanted to understand the material for myself, I had to somewhat rely on my teacher's information to avoid electrocuting myself. I suppose knowing I may have to rely on others, makes me feel a sense of 'honor' so to speak, in not betraying the trust of others(only if they will show me the same honesty, of course)

No one is entitled to a person's guidance, but if I don't want to give guidance I would just decline the offer.

In my experience, there is little to gain from that kind of deception anyway. I've been involved in different fields where people are very willing to give advise, and people will 'cut you off' from needed help if they figure out you are a deceiver, and it should be discovered very quickly. If someone gives me information that could be used for a goal, I would want to verify through experience(or however else)for myself that it is true, and try to analyze it to see if it makes sense for myself. However, teachers can be useful for 'steering you in the right direction' so to speak. I actually enjoy giving advise though, and feel a sort of pride if someone uses my advise to succeed.

Of course, I'll only do this for those who would do the same for me.


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#86706 - 04/23/14 11:05 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
I get your point in regards to my post that you were responding to. What it boils down to for me, is that I don't like the idea of using/abusing others even if it would benefit me.


Perhaps this needs context. Have you never manipulated a situation to your benefit? Say, a job interview or haggling with a sales person? I'm not sure when manipulation became a taboo to Satanists but it seems it to have become a negative trait, would you agree?


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At this point if someone would look to me for guidance in some way, my preference would be to send them on their way and suggest that they figure things out for themselves, or find someone else, because I just don't want to be bothered, but I also wouldn't want to manipulate them.


Fair enough but I don't think this would be the case with every single person you've come across. I'm sure if you searched your heart of hearts, you'd find some deeds in your past that manipulated another, even if only for practice or sport.


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I don't believe that I would feel good about achieving anything that was the result of negatively using others, or their ignorance.


Using my previous example, if it landed you the job or a fair price - wouldn't that feel good?


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My personal honor is worth far more then any reward that I could get by giving it up. I don't expect anyone else to live by my values or even to respect them. It has worked for me in the long run, it allows me to sleep very well at night and I prefer to deal with people who also have a strong honor code, even if it doesn't match my own.


Ah, so this would be personally wrangling with your conscience and feelings of guilt? Surely, in proper context this is not the case?

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If a person cannot be trusted to stand by their word, to the best of their ability, I can't respect them, no matter what their achievements might be.


I think there's a difference between giving your word (reliability) and Trust. For example, if I tell you I'll do something, you bet your ass I'll do it. It doesn't mean you have to trust me. The proof would be all you need to determine that I'm reliable. Everyone lies.


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However, I only desire to be honorable to those who have similar traits. The rest, if given a choice, I would rather not deal with at all.
This personal bias may also have negative affects such as missed opportunity.


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Using your stage magician analogy; Generally I don't desire to be a performer. I may do magic tricks and enjoy sharing it with others, but mostly it will be for my own entertainment.

I don't believe one joins a philosophy. Instead a person develops their own, and attempts to find others who have similar views and then if they wish to do so, joins them.

If a person wants to use pawns as a means to an end, and it works for them, then that's their business. It's just not beneficial in the long run for me. I don't believe in morality or immorality as defined by others, I define it for myself.

No one is entitled to anything really, including the guidance of another. Guidance can be given or not given. It's up to each person to decide what they wish to do.



So if you manage to land a job or haggle a decent price you would share that advice with others, ok. That's your prerogative. Retailers became hip to the coupon scam because they shared their trade secrets with others. Just sayin'

No one is entitled to learn the trick, the difference between a hack and a legendary magician.
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#86707 - 04/23/14 11:13 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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 Originally Posted By: Adrian Savage
 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Then let's be more forthright about your motives here.

I call out bullshit. Doing so is a source of joy and provides immense fulfillment and satisfaction. Any public benefit is a spin-off. If you depend on bullshit it will get called. Got a problem with that?


 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Tell me again about my duty.

I'm not a Deontologist so that's deflection at best. By all means, you decide that question. I will ask some of my own below:


Tell me about the duties you ascribe to others in terms of tolerance of your manipulation, exploitation and dishonesty, and your rights to such tolerance.

When said tolerance is not forthcoming and/or your lies are called out, how do you feel about getting angry (as if an injustice was committed or an entitlement not met), lashing out in a catty and spiteful manner, and resorting to backbiting and other assorted relational aggression?

Tell me about the duties you ascribe to others in terms of tolerance of that, and your rights to such tolerance.

Finally: Place yourself in the shoes of another (that part might be difficult for you) and, with sharp instincts, form a practical judgment based on rational self-interest. What would they make of you? Would you be judged worthy of trust?


Me thinks he doth protest too much. Fairly obvious that you're still sore about being played at your own game. My advice? Since I'm playing tutor and all... Get over it. You got played.

At any rate, it's clear that you miss my attentions. Perhaps you can PM me and we can chat like the good ole days

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#86708 - 04/23/14 11:22 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: 334forwardspin]
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 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
I kind of get his take, as a sort of 'code of honor'. Of course, when it comes to Satanism if a person swallows everything they are told by a 'mentor' whole, they pretty much did bring it on themselves if they were used. Blindly swallowing what a mentor says would go against a 'Satanic mindset'.


Agreed. Doesn't the idea of a 'Satanic Guru' just make you laugh your ass off? I mean seriously.


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However, at times people may look to benefit from a 'teacher' by getting help, but not blind trust. With certain things, people 'mentoring' others is essential to keeping them going. I used to be in Air Conditioning School, while I wanted to understand the material for myself, I had to somewhat rely on my teacher's information to avoid electrocuting myself. I suppose knowing I may have to rely on others, makes me feel a sense of 'honor' so to speak, in not betraying the trust of others(only if they will show me the same honesty, of course)


Teaching in an institution is a far cry from some guru type volunteering to be a mentor. Most people are self-concerned and certainly use the accessibility to 'minds' via the Internet for their own ends. Take Aquino for instance. He's providing his insights, advice, anecdotes, resources, and his charms for his own ends. It seems to be mutually beneficial to those that hang on his every word, so I don't think people mind some forms of manipulation. I'm not being snarky about it either, I have eyes.

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No one is entitled to a person's guidance, but if I don't want to give guidance I would just decline the offer.


Right, entitlements vs. because you happen to feel like answering a question or providing some useful info.

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In my experience, there is little to gain from that kind of deception anyway. I've been involved in different fields where people are very willing to give advise, and people will 'cut you off' from needed help if they figure out you are a deceiver, and it should be discovered very quickly. If someone gives me information that could be used for a goal, I would want to verify through experience(or however else)for myself that it is true, and try to analyze it to see if it makes sense for myself. However, teachers can be useful for 'steering you in the right direction' so to speak. I actually enjoy giving advise though, and feel a sort of pride if someone uses my advise to succeed.


We're a competitive species. Deception is key in getting ahead in a capitalist society. Unless of course you really believe all these industrious corporations have your best interests in mind. Take for example the Health Care Industry. Specific medications are extremely costly and beyond the reach of a specific economic class; yet, these pharmaceutical companies have to make their bottom line. To hell with the people that die for the lack of this much needed 'medicine'. Amirite? ;\)
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#86717 - 04/23/14 12:57 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
If a person cannot be trusted to stand by their word, to the best of their ability, I can't respect them, no matter what their achievements might be.

However, I only desire to be honorable to those who have similar traits. The rest, if given a choice, I would rather not deal with at all.

Well said. As applies to "real life": If you desire repeated contact with those of a certain standard of honor (determined by yourself), such as those who are trustworthy, it can be useful to show such traits yourself.

If you want to be trusted (by the non-credulous), it helps to act trustworthy. If you want good friends, it helps to be a good friend yourself - to cultivate the virtues of friendship - not for their own sake but for instrumental reasons.

The real issue here is not with manipulating and lying per se, but whether such are constrained within limits or done without restraint. The latter is analogous to going "full retard", and in the long term is likely to bite one in the proverbial. Compare Law #19 from the 48 Laws of Power for a case in point.

It's idiotic to trust someone who is excessively dishonest and manipulative, or worst still who brags about it and sees no big deal. Someone with such traits will find they only get long-term support from the gullible, and will soon find themselves called out. Of course they may still get support from the overly credulous. One born every minute as they say. Yet there's nothing dishonorable about someone with teeth engineering negative consequences against their will.
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#86718 - 04/23/14 01:05 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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If you want to be trusted (by the non-credulous), it helps to act trustworthy.


Acting being the operative word there. Much like this little act you're putting on here at 600c. Your character traits have proven otherwise, thus you were perma-banned for your (real life) actions in spite of your words.

Just sayin'
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#86719 - 04/23/14 01:20 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Fairly obvious that you're still sore about being played at your own game.

More ad hominem rebuttals to points. Do they tend to work for you?

Ol' Anton used a term for this: "Solipsism". In this case, it refers to projecting your own game-playing and deceptive modus operandi onto others. Just because you tend to compulsively play certain games doesn't mean others are up to the same tricks, or have the same goals in mind.

Although it might feel good to keep telling yourself that.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Get over it. You got played.

Your planned retort to The Club, and not to mention all your real-life friends who are all disposable?

I see no reason to respect such game-players. It is immensely gratifying however to watch them fall.
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#86720 - 04/23/14 01:26 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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And by the playbook, you go with the 'Your Ad Hominems' b.s., man you need new material. Shit gets old, quick.

It's just the Internet dood. Can you get past it?

One of these days you'll come to the realization that you wear all your projections on your sleeve. That's me being the Optimist, heh. The reality? You haven't learned shit in all these years, pretty sad actually. Tragic, I'd say.
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#86722 - 04/23/14 01:47 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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This isn't debate club, dude.

Funny, for someone who did a piece on Vanity and baiting the baiter, you sure act a lot like Pavlov's dog yourself. Projection is funny stuff. \:\)

Have fun with Dillon's body bag after years of bolstering his dreams of Valor. Disposability, funny concept really. Who isn't throwaway in your world?
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#86724 - 04/23/14 01:54 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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Truth be said.

Everyone is disposable and everyone is replaceable (in one way or another).

Dishonourable characteristics? Broken codes of honour?
Who cares? Just behave when THE MAN with THE HAMMER is keeping an eye on you. Big noises tend to attract THE REAPER (with THE HAMMER OF BANISHMENT).

And the others might start pointing and laughing with both sides.. if it wasn't the case already. Nobody really likes those freakishly weird people as they prefer to ignore those.

That accounts to all sides.


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#86725 - 04/23/14 02:02 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Adrian Savage]
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 Originally Posted By: Adrian Savage
This isn't debate club, dude.

Funny, for someone who did a piece on Vanity and baiting the baiter, you sure act a lot like Pavlov's dog yourself. Projection is funny stuff. \:\)

Have fun with Dillon's body bag after years of bolstering his dreams of Valor. Disposability, funny concept really. Who isn't throwaway in your world?


Oh Steven, tisk tisk tisk. Do you read your own posts before you hit 'submit'??? You're right, it isn't debate club thus your 'Ad Hom' rebuttal would be moot (even if it had some levity to it. It doesn't).

I'm sure Dimi is having a good laugh. See? Entertainment!
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#86726 - 04/23/14 02:04 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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I'm sure Dimi is having a good laugh. See? Entertainment!

I'm not really a good reference. I make fun of everything and everyone in my very own twisted ways most people fail to get.

Haaaa...where's me beer.
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#86727 - 04/23/14 02:08 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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Yeah, it does. As I was typing the response you quoted, I actually realized I had overlooked the fact that 'mentoring' in Satanism actually defies it's very essence.

I have benefited from advise before though, as I'm sure most have. This wasn't advise I took blindly, but more of something I used to 'steer me in the right direction', all the while making sure to find out if it was true for myself of course.

If I give someone advise, in part it's just because I feel like being nice, or maybe I just like the person and want to see them succeed. Yeah I know, warm and fuzzy. However, usually it will be something I enjoy talking about though, so in that way it's mutually benefitial.

As for the benefit, it can go both ways. In some cases, being a bullshit artist will be benefitial. Big business is likely one of those cases, insurance companies come to mind. Hell, they are practically scammers.

However, in some cases being unethical will hurt you. I'm looking to be a personal trainer, I'll have to keep clients coming to me and do a little self selling of course, however I have to actually be helpful or clients will stop coming.

We are a competitive species, but at times we work in teams, in which case helping others serves the common goal. Or, it could also help better your skill if you mentor someone into becoming a person that can actually help you improve(in whatever way). I've experienced this myself actually.


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#86729 - 04/23/14 02:19 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: 334forwardspin]
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I'm sure Dimi is having a good laugh. See? Entertainment!

I'm not really a good reference. I make fun of everything and everyone in my very own twisted ways most people fail to get.

Haaaa...where's me beer.


Actually, in this instance you're perfect. If you read my earlier statement, it fits.



 Originally Posted By: 334forwardspin
Yeah, it does. As I was typing the response you quoted, I actually realized I had overlooked the fact that 'mentoring' in Satanism actually defies it's very essence.
It certainly does, for me at least. Not sure what the hell everyone else is doing ;\)

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I have benefited from advise before though, as I'm sure most have. This wasn't advise I took blindly, but more of something I used to 'steer me in the right direction', all the while making sure to find out if it was true for myself of course.



Oh sure, we can certainly benefit from input from others. Maybe it's something as simple as a book recommendation, or a different perspective on a particular issue. The forum is full of this stuff, along with the triviality and general banter (as an example).


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If I give someone advise, in part it's just because I feel like being nice, or maybe I just like the person and want to see them succeed. Yeah I know, warm and fuzzy. However, usually it will be something I enjoy talking about though, so in that way it's mutually benefitial.


Personal motivations aside, I think the point is you're doing it for self-concerned reasons.

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As for the benefit, it can go both ways. In some cases, being a bullshit artist will be benefitial. Big business is likely one of those cases, insurance companies come to mind. Hell, they are practically scammers.

However, in some cases being unethical will hurt you. I'm looking to be a personal trainer, I'll have to keep clients coming to me and do a little self selling of course, however I have to actually be helpful or clients will stop coming.

We are a competitive species, but at times we work in teams, in which case helping others serves the common goal. Or, it could also help better your skill if you mentor someone into becoming a person that can actually help you improve(in whatever way). I've experienced this myself actually.


I think we can agree that it goes without saying that 'we' understood what LaVey was looking at when he spoke about counter-productive pride. Common sense, yet not so common among folks that allow their pride to consume them.
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#86740 - 04/23/14 05:47 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
My personal honor is worth far more then any reward that I could get by giving it up...If a person cannot be trusted to stand by their word, to the best of their ability, I can't respect them, no matter what their achievements might be.


It's not a matter of honor or respect for me. I expect loyalty and honesty from my family and close friends. From strangers or mere acquaintances...not so much, unless they prove themselves worthy of my trust.

 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Take Aquino for instance. He's providing his insights, advice, anecdotes, resources, and his charms for his own ends. It seems to be mutually beneficial to those that hang on his every word, so I don't think people mind some forms of manipulation.


There is a difference between education and manipulation, sometimes very subtle one. Education involves critical thinking, pondering over new ideas, critical assessment of them and coming to your own conclusions. Swallowing thoughtlessly new ideas, accepting them without demanding a proof is a sign of giving in to manipulation.
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#86744 - 04/23/14 08:34 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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This was a good posting I found that living my life with no expectations I receive no disappointments. However with people I find reading them so much easier the more and more I remain sociable. trust never seems to come to be part anymore its more over of self knowledge. if some one is to cross me then they only brought plague to themselves and dimmed their own energy. NOT MINE. I'm social and I rarely meet someone who doesn't like me or i cannot win over in time, yet THAT is ONLY because i expect nothing and I remain loyal to MYSELF. i was born sola, i walk sola, ima die sola. period. I enjoy the outlook on your posting/forum it gives a clean perspective. (smile)
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#86745 - 04/23/14 09:57 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3

Oh Steven, tisk tisk tisk. Do you read your own posts before you hit 'submit'???


Ahhh, now I get it.

I thought you two were happy trading jabs via email (or some place other than a thread here).

As for 'Adrian', you must be the most persistent person I've ever encountered.
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#86749 - 04/23/14 10:33 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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Perhaps this needs context. Have you never manipulated a situation to your benefit? Say, a job interview or haggling with a sales person? I'm not sure when manipulation became a taboo to Satanists but it seems it to have become a negative trait, would you agree?






You're right, context is important here. I was referring to individuals where a bond between them is stated or implied. Job interviews and sales are usually between strangers, and any kind of implied bond tends to be fake. In the later cases anyone with minimal intellegence will realize that it's a game.

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Fair enough but I don't think this would be the case with every single person you've come across. I'm sure if you searched your heart of hearts, you'd find some deeds in your past that manipulated another, even if only for practice or sport.






If I'm honest, I would have to agree. Mainly in my younger days trying to get laid. However, once there is an implied bond and understanding of boundaries and expectations, revealed through time, the manipulation stops. Or at least I try my best to switch gears, albeit, not always totally successfully; and even during my younger days when I was playing the “dating game,” I felt miserable when I betrayed a trust, even when I didn't get caught doing it.

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As I stated, sales, interviews and the like are between strangers where only foolish people expect sincerity, although it can be a fine line at times depending on the situation.

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Ah, so this would be personally wrangling with your conscience and feelings of guilt? Surely, in proper context this is not the case?






Well, if I was buying something and I got tricked by a sales person I wouldn't see it as being dishonored as much as being gullible.

However, if I was the one doing the selling, I would not try to fool anyone into buying something just to make a profit or a quota, because that would go against my personal honor code. Which is probably why I would not make a good employee as a sales person, unless I was selling something like Honda automobiles, Schott leather jackets, or Zippo lighters because I would believe that I would be selling something of high quality and would be sincere in my enthusiasm for those products.

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So if you manage to land a job or haggle a decent price you would share that advice with others, ok. That's your prerogative. Retailers became hip to the coupon scam because they shared their trade secrets with others. Just sayin'






I'm not sure I totally undestand what you are saying here, but if I was able to haggle a special price or service and I truly believed that it was only inteded for me, and it wasn't something done regularly, and there was an implied or stated understanding that I wasn't to pass on the information to anyone else, then I would keep it to myself. For example, I had a dentist whom I was able to make arrangements with for discounts on services which I believed he mainly did to help me out and because I was a long time patient of his. In that case, although I would recommend him to others, because he was fair and also good at his job, I didn't talk about personal discounts and private arrangements that we had.
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#86753 - 04/24/14 03:00 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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In that case, although I would recommend him to others, because he was fair and also good at his job, I didn't talk about personal discounts and private arrangements that we had.


lol "private arrangements" just read bad :p \:D but, seriously, I see what you're driving at.

It's actually a matter of *integrity* - I hear a whole shit-ton about this "honor" and all I think is "you keep using that word; I do not think you know what it means" and read on.

If someone does me a solid am I going to go blowing-up their spot? like "hey, come one, come all - he/she'll totally hook you up if you ask nicely" - fuck no.

Handle your own negotiations - it's not a broad code of ethics - it's an implicit thing between 2 (count 'm - 2!) people.

It seems to become an "honor" thing as a means to qualify why "we" all have to hear about it.


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#86758 - 04/24/14 10:09 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Asmedious]
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I'm not sure I totally undestand what you are saying here,


I think you somewhat understood what I was saying about the coupon scam. To the consumer that believes scamming retailers is theft or cause for price inflation, they wouldn't dream of misusing coupons (Ethics). To those that just want to get what they need either for free or paying as little as possible, they don't even bat an eye-lash when using the coupons to scam the system. If you're unfamiliar with it, Google it (here's one example ) . Sharing that trade secret is what tipped many retailers off (aside loss audits).
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#86759 - 04/24/14 10:13 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Czereda]
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 Originally Posted By: SIN3
Take Aquino for instance. He's providing his insights, advice, anecdotes, resources, and his charms for his own ends. It seems to be mutually beneficial to those that hang on his every word, so I don't think people mind some forms of manipulation.


There is a difference between education and manipulation, sometimes very subtle one. Education involves critical thinking, pondering over new ideas, critical assessment of them and coming to your own conclusions. Swallowing thoughtlessly new ideas, accepting them without demanding a proof is a sign of giving in to manipulation.


Even an education can be used as a manipulation tool. It's the motives behind it vs. the product being peddled. Selling wares, or insuring your own relevance are merely two motives as an example. In terms of value judgment, there are willing participants and it's neither good/evil, it's just being intellectually honest about the exchange.
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#86796 - 04/24/14 07:05 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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Aquino? You can actually get all that stuff in .pdf form. A book is just a commercial exchange. I can't say I've ever felt manipulated into buying one. Beyond that, I've "spoken" to him publically and privately. I think he just enjoys the exchanges. A little promo ain't no thang in my view. I like books-in-print better.
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#86818 - 04/25/14 11:39 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Le Deluge]
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Aquino? You can actually get all that stuff in .pdf form.
This point is actually irrelevant. You wouldn't know about the free .pdfs unless they were promoted, shared and 'discussed'.

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A book is just a commercial exchange. I can't say I've ever felt manipulated into buying one. Beyond that, I've "spoken" to him publically and privately. I think he just enjoys the exchanges. A little promo ain't no thang in my view. I like books-in-print better.


Manipulation doesn't always have to be regarded as something negative. Any magician worth his weight in salt will have his audience defending his magic.
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#86820 - 04/25/14 01:43 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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Capitalism isn't magic. If I feel the exchange to be worthwhile, I'll make it. I collect books. For the most part, I'll never speak the author. Would you argue it was magic when you joined the C/S and T/S? I would agree manipulation is neither here nor there.
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#86822 - 04/25/14 02:02 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Le Deluge]
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I don't think reducing it to capitalism is quite accurate.

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Would you argue it was magic when you joined the C/S and T/S?


Both were used as manipulation tools. Sure. The monetary value was irrelevant.

For example:

TOS = we haz secrets! You want em' you got to do [fill in the blank] to get em'!

CoS = red card, red card! Who has a red card!?

^ Advertising tactics. There's also a manipulation at work by applicants. The cards themselves can even work as a form of commerce.

I did say that manipulation can be mutually beneficial, and having been manipulated doesn't always carry a negative connotation.

Say we go with Capitalism, take the advertising racket. Surely you recognize the slight of hand at play to part a fool from his money? I'm not just speaking of the basic needs, those 'AS SEEN ON TV' gadgets is a good example of this.





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#86824 - 04/25/14 02:11 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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I understand your argument. It may be that I am simply disregarding any monetary value in the exchange. It means nothing to me. I could view it through the lens of manipulation of some mutual benefit.
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#86826 - 04/25/14 02:19 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Le Deluge]
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It may be that I am simply disregarding any monetary value in the exchange


Right, I've already stated that the monetary value is irrelevant which is why I stated that it's not just Capitalism as you assert.
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#86833 - 04/25/14 09:19 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: SIN3]
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I would apply psychological manipulation more to someone who joined the C/S and T/S to obtain cards sans a serious commitment. I don't see a good argument for even characterizing a book exchange as such. I would have to apply the same argument to authors ranging from Dostoevsky to Camus. If I am to go beyond that, I would essentially have to see exchanges of my own goods and services throught this light. I simply would not conflate them as such. That type of "game" exists only at a much higher level ... or not at all.
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#86836 - 04/25/14 09:44 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Anthony West]
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At the beginning of the original Kung Fu television series, a number of children were standing outside the Shaolin Monastery, seeking admission. Each day a monk would look out and tell them to go away. Each day there were fewer. Finally after several days only Caine was still there, standing in the rain. Then the monk admitted him.

My attitude is rather like the monk's. If you don't know what you're getting into and haven't taken the time & trouble to find out, I'd say go away: There a plenty of other religions, ideologies, lifestyles, and labels out there that are much less impersonally dangerous and personally fuckuppable.

Satanism [to use the Judæo-Christian nickname] opens two very big doors:

(1) Confrontation of and dealing with yourself as a universally-distinct and -isolate entity of consciousness. Fully realized, this can be the ultimate exhilaration, but to the psychologically-incapable it can be the ultimate horror, leading to the sort of nightmarish identity crisis Roquentin experiences in Sartre's Nausea.

(2) Personal prerogative to define "good" and "evil" independent of all social, cultural, and political conditioning and constraints. If you are exceptionally wise and ethical, again this can be a divine exercise. But most people are not, and need laws, customs, and social conditioning to keep them out of trouble.

Meanwhile external society is aware of these two doors in a very dim and frightened way. In 1984 Syme was vaporized because, as Winston Smith reflected, "He sees too clearly and speaks too plainly. The Party does not like such people." The most ignorant elements of society are afraid of Satanists because "they do evil and worship the Devil". The smarter elements fear them because they are Symes.

And, particularly if you really haven't thought through all this and decided such an ultimate personal commitment, I would, as I have repeatedly on 600C, counsel you to not publicly label yourself with the S-word just because you think it's spooky-cool. As my Italian dad once put it, "Sometimes the fucking you get is not worth the fucking you take."
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#86837 - 04/25/14 09:56 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
And, particularly if you really haven't thought through all this and decided such an ultimate personal commitment, I would, as I have repeatedly on 600C, counsel you to not publicly label yourself with the S-word just because you think it's spooky-cool. As my Italian dad once put it, "Sometimes the fucking you get is not worth the fucking you take."


I would give the same counsel. I would simply add: Taking the two steps you mention can be done devoid of any and all labels. I think it varies by one's fundamental attunement. This isn't to discount those who take the label with a deep commitment.
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#86838 - 04/25/14 10:27 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Le Deluge]
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Yerp - it's pretty much that in a nut-shell Grand theory

Edited by antikarmatomic (04/25/14 10:27 PM)
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#86848 - 04/26/14 07:05 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Le Deluge]
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 Originally Posted By: Le Deluge
I would apply psychological manipulation more to someone who joined the C/S and T/S to obtain cards sans a serious commitment. I don't see a good argument for even characterizing a book exchange as such. I would have to apply the same argument to authors ranging from Dostoevsky to Camus. If I am to go beyond that, I would essentially have to see exchanges of my own goods and services throught this light. I simply would not conflate them as such. That type of "game" exists only at a much higher level ... or not at all.


I think you're missing the point. It's not just about selling books, that's minutia in the grand scheme of things. You're focused on a book exchange when I'm discussing something else.
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#88315 - 05/31/14 04:31 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Diavolo]
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I know what Satanism and Luciferianism is. However what i am interested in is not rebellion, a theistic from of occultism that is masked as traditional Satanism/spiritual Satanism, but dates back to pre-christian euro-pagan such as Gaul and Roman, Germanic and Norse, Egyptian, Babylonian, Summerian periods etc. and incorporates such practices through magick, divination, self-deification etc.

I can't seem to find exactly what i'm seeking.
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#88343 - 05/31/14 10:53 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Ubermensch23]
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 Originally Posted By: Ubermensch23
I can't seem to find exactly what i'm seeking.


The ONA makes claims of a tradition that dates back to "Albion."
The Luo Guai make claims of an unbroken magical tradition dating to Three Kingdoms China.
There's a "Temple of the Sun" that claims a Roman Tradition.
Various other "orders" and "traditions" make other claims.

You might look into what they have to say.

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#88348 - 05/31/14 11:51 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Ubermensch23]
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build it on your own, then - "run it up the flag pole and see who salutes it" (think I have to credit MA with this) is my only suggestion.

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#88350 - 06/01/14 01:52 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: antikarmatomic]
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That the wheel has been invented a long time ago.

Learn something from it first, then add what you can.

Make it your own personal journey and study.

But do not try to reinvent the wheel.

It is like Jenna Jameson said about relationships, if you are looking at the person that you are with as a project to change, then that person is not for you.

Study and know what it is and beware of those who try to change the original formula, even if they label their product by the same name.

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#88352 - 06/01/14 02:22 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LoneWolf78]
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was that directed at me specifically or were you just philosophizing in general?
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#88353 - 06/01/14 02:26 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: antikarmatomic]
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I do apologize. I guess when you use the quick reply option that it says the name of the last person that posted.

Nope, not directed to you at all. Just adding my two cents to the original thread.

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#88354 - 06/01/14 02:35 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LoneWolf78]
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No need to apologize... I was just thinking "err, cool, but what does this have to do with anything I ever said?" but yeah, the reply button tripped me up a hella lot at first and even still does from time to time. Carry on. Reasonable post, just - I don't have much but a head-nod to add to it.
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#88355 - 06/01/14 02:41 AM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: antikarmatomic]
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antikarmatomic, thank you for your kind words.

I really have nothing more to add at this point either.

That said, on a personal side note, it is very refreshing to have an honest miscommunication on a message board handled so maturely.

Thank you.

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#88376 - 06/01/14 12:49 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: The Zebu]
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WORST. IDEA. EVER. This is just like Christians saying "if you have any doubts about the goodness of God, just clear your mind and ignore it! Think happy thoughts!"

I mean, LISTEN TO YOURSELF. You're saying "ignore anything that might contradict your belief system". This is the very definition of narrow-mindedness.

If your ideas have any worth, they should be able to withstand scrutiny and logical evaluation. Otherwise you've just been duped into another delusional religion promising you sky-cake.

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Why only "Young" Satanists? Because they are more impressionable with illogical concepts? Young Satanists have a tendency to cling on to whatever ideas they hear, because there is still an ideological wound from their internal split with Christianity. The last thing you need to do is indoctrinate them into ANOTHER absurd patriarchal religion.

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There is more than what you can see, there is more than what you know


What gives you authority to tell us what we SHOULD see and know? What are your credentials that let you assert that Satan is Enki and he can communicate telepathically or whatnot with people? Are you some sort of holy prophet with astounding revelations of the universe? Or just another dude who read something cool on the internet and decided to regurgitate it because it sounded neat and gave him a ritual boner and a trippy "spiritual experience" or two?

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Satanism is based on yourself and only yourself, the connection you have with the Gods of Duat and Father Enki himself.


It's times like this I wish I had a hotkey for the phrase "One of these things is not like the other".

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Many make the mistake that Satanism is based on the physical, it is not, it is both physical and spiritual. Your soul and mind is the driver of your physical body and not your physical body.


Here's a little insight. If it exists, it is physical. If the "spiritual" exists, then it is merely physical phenomenon that we cannot presently describe.

In the ancient world, people thought that the laws of physics did not apply in space, and that the planets and stars were governed by divine forces and gods and demons. When we finally got there, we found a bunch of rocks bound in gravitational movement around a big fiery ball of gas.

The lesson? Scientific truth is often a bit more boring than our superstitious imaginations would like to tell us. Just because there is a present void or anomaly in our experiential knowledge doesn't give us license to fill it with demons or angels or magical pink unicorns.

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Last but not least, be emotionally controlled. The enemies of Duat and Father Enki are in large numbers and have been for ages. Falling prone to uncontrolled-emotions is a crack in your shield. Be strong, have trust in HIM and the Gods of Duat.


Oh great, another cult of paranoia locked in a cosmic battle of Good vs. Evil.

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One mistake could be the end of you and i mean not death.


Like ending up in Hell? Or Heaven- since God is actually the Devil... But if Enki is the Devil, who is actually God, then... waitaminute... GODDAMMIT, THE CONFUSION!

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What makes you think that Enki likes being called by the name of a "Hebrew Fiend"? (Sorry, Michael, it's a nice line, had to do it). Why don't you worship Enki with Chaldean incantations and cuneiform tablets like he was historically? Or is the whole "Enki" thing an afterthought and an excuse to use pentagrams and goat-heads and goetic sigils by convincing yourself it's actually part of an ancient Eastern religion?

In conclusion... we Satanists have left Christianity and other faiths because they are outrageous dogmas mired in superstition, paranoia, narrow-mindedness, and ignorance of reason and reality... what makes you think that any rational person would want to buy your ideas you're peddling when they're THE EXACT SAME THING AS CHRISTIANITY? I'll pass, thank you.

Overall, I think this response might not even matter to you, since you admit to deliberately ignoring anything that doesn't fit into your belief system. (The very embodiment of ignorance) This might have even been a "hit and run" post, where you feel like some self-righteous "Warrior for Enki" battling against the forces of LaVeyan Atheism and persecution, and then smugly retreat back to your little corner of the internet, hoping that at least one or two people might stumble across your post and become filled with religious zeal.

All I can say is, wake up, dude. Smell the goddamned coffee.
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The contradiction is astounding really. You shit on this guys head (understandably so because he is joy of satan clearly thus believes exactly what he reads instead of letting experience be his greatest teacher by diving in head first the faustian way) for attempting to imply that his belief is the only relevant form of Satanism and that his beliefs are ultimate, yet here you are telling people what to believe in yourself, clearly you either do not comprehend what you are typing, or you are genuinely ignorant.

How do you know they believed that the ancients knew planets were gods? Did you get in a hypothetical time-machine and live amongst them? Maybe you should realize that mythology is ancient Greek for something that is not true or based in fact, just like you tell children about santa and the tooth-fairy in your hillbilly country. These ancient people invented astronomy, science, physics, mathematics and so on without technology whilst your christian ancestors still believed the whole solar system revolved around the earth 3000 years later.

You are no authority either, this is not a site where published intellectuals gather, it's an internet community, you're not a celebrity or an expert upon the subject of every form of physics out there. Mythology was simply a way to inspire back then, only an uneducated, narrow-minded being such as yourself would stick to the stereotypical christian beliefs in regards to pre-christian traditions.

"Here's a little insight. If it exists, it is physical. If the "spiritual" exists, then it is merely physical phenomenon that we cannot presently describe."

So you deny that there is more than one physically-perceivable dimension? Are you at the forefront of science and physics as a whole and thus are able to determine as a fact (a fact is something that cannot be disputed since it is proven via a formula whereas a truth is subjective, I chose to type this because you seem like the keyboard-warrior type that thinks she's the shit on a pc, but probably is morbidly-obese and poor) using the latest technology that there are no other dimension? That there is only this physical universe and that the cosmos is not infinite with innumerable (that means many...)dimensions that one cannot perceive with one's physical eyes because of our current technological limitations? What an ignorant fool. Claim to be so wise yet you're clearly dead-set on some idea that your Atheist ideology is the beginning and end of all things.

The fact remains that even though the guy you were replying to is a kid newly out of christianity or judaism, he has the same chance of being correct as you do. Remember what people like you thought about Galileo (he was obviously killed by the vatican because they lacked the technology to prove his claims and because it was heretical and against the mainstream)when he said the sun doesn't revolve around the earth, but that the earth and our solar system revolves around the sun? Remember what skeptical sods like yourself told the wright brothers when they believed in aviation?

You see in the end you are more ignorant the the joy of satan kid, and that won't change simply because you're a regular on an online community. You are every bit as delusional and narrow-minded as the christian people in my country, you think that your way is the only way, that you are the only one that is right, if you haven't noticed this is for both the satanic and the occult, and your laveyan version of Satanism is by no mean the original nor is it by any means the oldest or the elite, you're just a follower of a philosophy written by a dead guy, you're a sheep like a christian who can't think for yourself or create your own ideology. The only people who will take your reply to the joy of satan kid seriously are just as ignorant and intellectually-impaired as you are.

And as for claiming that Satanism is atheistic, that makes you uneducated upon the subject to, because Satanism and luciferianism can be traditional/spiritual which means that they preserve the pre-christian pagan (whether European paganism, Egyptian, Sumerian or whichever form or ethos they choose to use) beliefs even though adopting the names of demons (demons are obviously the names of pre-christian deities that were demonized and reduced to infernal and malevolent qualities in the christian bible). I'm not saying they practice it the same way, it obviously evolves. You try to confine the world to your reality and your beliefs too, just as he did so why would anybody take you any more seriously than they would take him?

From my understanding in your american culture laveyan satanists are generally social rejects who get beat up in school (no offense just making an observation), then come across the Satanic Bible in a mainstream library and purchase it and adopt the idea that you are smarter and more intelligent than everybody else in order to explain why you have no friends and can't get a proper job and will end up a 30 year-old still living with your parents or living beneath the bread-line.

I don't judge people based on the beliefs they claim to have, i respect Lavey because he actually stood for what he said he did, he wasn't as narrow-minded, jaded and closed off to possibilities like you are. I respect most christians more than i do you 'occultists and satanists' who dress in black and get tattoos to look mysterious, because the majority of you are lower-class and don't have jobs, you're the subjects and slaves not the kings and nobles so who are you to claim to be a prophet for the beliefs of Lavey? He was an icon and a pioneer, you're just a keyboard-warrior with a feel sorry for me philosophy because you lack the intellectual-capability to comprehend the possibility that there is so much more out there than what our current and limiting technology can prove at this stage. You're more christian than the pastor saying a prayer in church, you're just to incompetent to realize. Carry on cattle, carry on.
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#88377 - 06/01/14 12:52 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Ubermensch23]
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Dimensions - correction.
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#88378 - 06/01/14 01:00 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: Ubermensch23]
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And for the record i'm an Occultist too, i'm just not interested in oppressing the different ideologies of people on this forum, because in the end that's what somebody who subconsciously realizes he is an idiot does, just like the christians and muslims did to the much more intelligent heathen minorities. If you have a problem with somebody else's version of reality or their version of Satanism no matter how ignorant, keep it to yourself, as i stated, you're not some expert on the subject everybody else turns to for answers, you're just another person who thinks your way is correct.
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#88383 - 06/01/14 02:19 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: LoneWolf78]
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That said, on a personal side note, it is very refreshing to have an honest miscommunication on a message board handled so maturely.


well thanks, I don't see a whole lot of that elsewhere either - but ya know, at the end of the day we're just tossing words back and forth - all in good fun, I see no need to get all "Alpha" over what amounts to banter on a screen and I suspect that's true of most here and in some-round-about way.

Which is probably something "older satanists want younger satanists to know"... especially in the digital age... that one might come off as king of the sandbox on a forum; well articulated, highly opinionated, dominating every topic but for all you know they haven't really done a whole hell of a lot with their rhetoric save but lament how the world doesn't fit their grand ideals.

Meanwhile there are those (usually older and a bit more worldly) that just sorta get that no amount of blogs or posts or leader-board stats amount to anything at all, but do it anyway simply because it is fun - meanwhile living very interesting and fulfilling lives - to the extent that being courteous doesn't come at any cost to their egos whatsoever.

Like, for example, some dude bumps into me and causes me to spill my drink... well I can afford another, shit happens. "sorry bro", "ah, no worries, man" (besides you don't buy beer, just rent it) - it's those that turn around and say "what the fuck dude!!! Fuck that! it's on" who constantly have something to prove - you don't really want to be "that guy" is another thing older satanists want younger satanists - nah... younger people in general to know.

Not every honest mistake is a deliberate slight against you - save the pissing match for when there's real fires to put out.
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#88388 - 06/01/14 03:36 PM Re: Things Older Satanists Want Younger Ones To Know [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Very good point antikarmatomic! \:\)

It really is silly enough to see people get so bent out of shape over piss ant things in the real world, but it is a fucking riot to watch them get into a cyber bloodbath.

I was once privately scolded by a moderator for having a public disagreement with one of his friends. It was a relatively long message, in which he concluded by telling me to, 'take your lashing like a man.'

I couldn't help but honestly laugh out loud. To the best of my knowledge, this was a grown man, yet, here he is involving himself in reindeer games, and giving cyber lashings to boot! \:D

I wonder if he goes to his local watering hole and portrays himself that way.

In the old days it used to be considered a cruel form of exploitation: things like sideshow acts, handing a drunk a micrphone and letting him make an ass of himself, Jerry Springer was accused of exploiting his guests. However, in this day and age, narcissistic idiots are more than willing to exploit themselves. Want proof? Look all over the internet, especially on youtube.

I completely agree no need for pissing unless there is a fire to put out, Satanists should know the difference.

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