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#15900 - 12/10/08 08:33 PM Vampires?
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I recently stumbled across something I found to be unbelievable. I was researching information on Vladin Tepes and his connection to the Dracula story. I found a link to a site of people who pride themselves on being psychic vampires.

After reading what they believe it made sense to me. In TSB it talk down on ones who practice this, but why? If I can drain the energy of a weak person and use it to increase my power. Is it wrong to prey on the the weak?

A few even speak of drinking blood, both animal and human. I don't think I would attempt it. Nutritionally there are benefits of drinking blood in moderation. They say by provoking fear in the prey the blood can cause an euphoric condition. Something to do with increased adrenaline.

Has anyone heard of such practices? How could these be incorporated into satanic ritual, as means to increase energy for magical purpose?

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#15901 - 12/10/08 08:45 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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Depending on the vamp group you came across, they stand for different things.
Vamp groups are as varied as Xitans, and Satanists.

Some go for energy, some go for blood.
Some groups banish others for doing the blood thing.
Some groups are roleplay, some real life, some on the weekends.
Some claim historical legacy, some refuse to admit their group has been around for less than 15 years.
Some believe they are the only way, and everyone else are pretenders.
Some just throw parties, some mix vamperism with s&m.
Toss energy play into that mix as well.
Then you have your hot topic vamps.
Then you have then newer groups which blend energy play, chaos magic and light Satanism/pagan beliefs.
Most of theses groups have their own form of rituals which are used to bind members to the larger group.

My friends in the vamp community were featured on A&E or the history channel during the shows search into the history of vampires.

The blood drinkers tend to have their partners(swans) tested for diseases.

As for rituals, do what you will to increases your senses within the psychodrams, but have willing particpents.

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#15903 - 12/10/08 09:28 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Morgan]
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Psychic vampirism, in the context of Satanism , is not 'draining peoples energy' in any direct sense, nor does it 'increase the vampires power'. In the context of Satanism being a psychic vampire is being parasitic to ones very happiness or livelihood. It isn't a power, nor an ability, but the lack of both.

In my experience these useless leeches are usually weak and pathetic cowards. They latch onto others because they have nothing of their own, and no prospects of getting ahead.

It is really just metaphor, highlighting the need to shake off the bonds of guilt induced entitlement many would happily trap you into. 'Vampirism' in the 'I'm gonna suck your blood/lifeforce' is an entirely unrelated idea/concept.
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#15904 - 12/10/08 09:50 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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"psychic vampire is being parasitic to ones very happiness or livelihood. It isn't a power, nor an ability, but the lack of both."

If I can "leech" to ones livelihood, destroying their happiness and furthing my position simultanesly is that vampirism, or just plain manipulation? In my interpratation of Lavey crushing somebodies goal in an effort to reach my own is vampirism and frownded upon.

On the other hand nothing should stop me from achieving my goals. Destroying anything and everything in my way.

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#15909 - 12/10/08 10:09 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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n my interpratation of Lavey crushing somebodies goal in an effort to reach my own is vampirism and frownded upon.

Then you just don't get it.

Don't feel bad, most people don't.
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#15911 - 12/10/08 10:14 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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I'd suggest you read the section on psychic vampirism in The Satanic Bible. You can find the ebook in the media room.
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#15915 - 12/10/08 10:34 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Jake999]
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I re-read what LaVey wrote on vampirism. Still it is confusing. It seems to contradict itself. Those who take with out returning the favor, or guilt trip people into doing things are vampires. As a satanist I should avoid or destroy people like that as they do not benefit me. But why not use the same tactics? If I can make somebody feel bad or use reverse psychology to get my desires where is the problem. If one is so blind to not see the trickery they deserve to be used and they guilt that goes along with.
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#15916 - 12/10/08 10:41 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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Guess I can't help you. I live my life way above that level of petty existence. I've never seen the need to lower myself to that kind of bottom-feeding.
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#15921 - 12/10/08 11:09 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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Wait, weren't you the guy that didn't understand why it was stupid to intentionally make himself look like a lazy dullard at work? This is all starting to fall into place now.

You are looking for justification to be a low life bottom feeder. You aren't going to find it here.
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#15923 - 12/10/08 11:23 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Yes I did manipulate them. I did jack shit at work and got payed the same. They are the naive idiots that allowed it. Kindess is weakness and I will use it to my advantage every chance I can.

I don't need anyone to justify my life. All i am saying is TSB isn't that clear when it comes to the difference between vampirism and manipulation.

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#15942 - 12/11/08 03:00 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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Some vamps view it as a predatory skill, feeding on the weak.
Its all a personal outlook as to the given situation:

Are you manipulating someone?
Are you "feeding" off of someone?
Are you using someones energy to better yourself?
Are you getting energy off of a crowd?
Are you living off your parents and not working?
Are you using someone for your own gain without their consent?

Do you really give a fuck or not?

The TSB is guidebook, not the end all of everything, it is sometimes, the time to think for yourself without going to a guidebook for all the answers.


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#15947 - 12/11/08 07:08 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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Yes I did manipulate them. I did jack shit at work and got payed the same. They are the naive idiots that allowed it. Kindess is weakness and I will use it to my advantage every chance I can.


1st, as already said, doing jack shit at work is a short term view. Suppose you find the mean to work 30h a week and be paid for 40. What do you do with these 10 hours? If you use it for bettering yourself, or doing any constructive thing, why not...
But if you're just working slower than others during 40h, you gain nothing on the long term. You're wasting precious time and worsting yourself.

2nd, you say "Kindness is weakness". It's a little bit short. Have you ever read this "Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!" ?

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#15970 - 12/11/08 03:28 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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So you are manipulating them by acting as a lazy and stupid slacker. That's great but what you forget is that perception = everything. So in their eyes you ARE a lazy and stupid slacker.

Now, a benefit being the amount of time you got cash for free, which is zero. Like Fabiano said, you still spent as much time at the job as you would have had when working normal.
So the other benefit could be the energy you spent for cash, and indeed, you have wasted less energy than another to get your money.

The funny thing is that your reputation is damaged. It of course doesn't matter much if you are doing jobs at the lowest caste level, they don't care whom they hire, they just need an idiot to do the job. If you however work at a level where they demand some requirements, your reputation will proceed you. In your case, you'll have to invest a lot more energy in fixing your damaged reputation than you have gained by being a slacker.
So the actually benefit of your grand scheme of manipulation is sub-zero. That's not as much manipulation as it is stupidity.

The fact that you even dare to call this manipulation is rather laughable. It's like only getting the ugly dates and then pretending that's how you like them.

You Sir have no long-term vision.

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#15974 - 12/11/08 05:24 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Diavolo]
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Thinking twice, who pays these thousands hours wasted by such stupid guys intentionally parasiting the society?

He probably think all CEO are stupid and even not think about those working in administrations sucking directly our taxes.
The final effect will be more taxes and higher prices.

So, thinking twice, they're my weak ennemies and surely not strong adversaries !

I'm a nightmare for the stupids.

Fabiano

P.S. BTW, I drop my revendication for my " right for lazyness ". One shit out!


Edited by Fabiano (12/11/08 05:28 PM)

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#16002 - 12/11/08 09:20 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Fabiano]
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First off, I want to thank everyone. I have a slightly better view on my situation. So there is no misunderstanding on my proffesion. I am a fork lift operator. I took pallets off the dock and stacked them in the warehouse. At my best pace I can move about 60 pallets in an 8 hour shift. Insteaf of that I moved about 40. By doing that I worked most Saturday's, making time and a half.
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#16011 - 12/12/08 12:35 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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OGMF HOLLY SHIT!!1 Moving 40 loads a day instead of 80 makes you a kvlt psychick vampyre lord ov evil!

Seriously. Anybody who calls themselves a vampire is a dumb. Anybody who calls themselves a psychic vampire is even dumber. A psychic vampire is a mooch, a loser who can't make his own way in life so he leeches off others. I don't know who was the first Anne Rice idiot fanboy to misread LaVey and start calling himself that like it's some sort of badge, but it seriously needs to stop. Especially those fags who think they are somehow feeding off other people's "spiritual energy" by doing those retarded rituals in those shitty dime-a-dozen "vampyre magick" grimores.

No offense intended, my dear Butterz, but I just can't stop myself when I get on one of those rants.

But your point does deserve some explanation. Can we occasionally take advantage of others? At times, sure, since we all do things like this occasionally, provided we can get away with it and it causes no obvious offense. But the important thing is to not be dependent on it, and repay debts when needed... otherwise you are just a lowlife parasite who can't survive without a host, and ultimately shit will hit the fan when your friends and cohorts abandon you for being such a dick.

Satanism is about being mostly self-dependent and being able to hold your own ground.
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#16012 - 12/12/08 12:43 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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I spent my entire career in a warehouse. I am a warehouse manager. If you think you are fooling anyone, you aren't. I have more seat experience than you in a forklift. I can tell if you are slacking or giving a good 8 hours. We had a "slow" person like you working for me in our company. I never considered him for a raise or promotion. The only reason we kept him, was to help us get out of our busy season. Once things slowed down, he was shown the door. Strive to be the best, or strive to be mediocre. Your choice. BTW, slacking off to drive overtime only cuts into the company's bottom line. In these tough times, they will look to cut costs anywhere they can. You mentioned eating dog food in the Food thread. With this kind of work ethic, I hope it was tasty. Because you will be eating more of that than you will steak.
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#16013 - 12/12/08 01:09 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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in plain and simple terms... a psychic vampire is someone that bores you to fucking tears when forced to spend time with them. they make you tired, they bring you down. they are generally pessimists with nothing to offer. you cant wait for them to leave, and when they do you feel a breath of fresh air.

and yes, you are probably one of them.

way to go.

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#16023 - 12/12/08 09:30 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Bacchae]
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We had people who'd play games like that in the military, although we had no "overtime"... base pay is base pay for me as it is for you, dependent on rank, although "rank has its priviledges." But there were slackers... malingerers... who slowed down, took too many breaks, and generally tried to "get over." Someone ALWAYS notices. Civilians can fire them. Quick and easy... "Sorry, babycakes, it's just not working out."

I had "options."

My slackers quickly found out that I could take their days off away for a month simply because I felt they needed more training. After two days off, I could do it again. And what could I consider "training?" Welllll now. We loaded aircraft with troops and the materiel of war. For those out there with military experience, can I get an AMEN for HEAVY materiel of war? Most of that had to be stacked on 463L pallets (325lb reinforced aluminum platforms) and then covered with a pallet net linked to the pallet. If the materiel was not packed to the satisfaction of the inspector, it had to be done again. Guess who was the inspector ... 12 hours a day.

Still a slacker? The vehicles on an aircraft are secured using a variety of chains and straps. There are 5K, 10K and 20K chains. A 5K chain weighs about 20 pounds, they go up from there. Tanks take a lot of 'em. Trucks too. And they all have to go from the chain bay to the aircraft, about 1/4 mile away. Normally, you take a bunch of them and throw them into a truck and take them to the aircraft for load. OH, MAN! Are you out of luck. There are no trucks available. That one out front, no... that's mine. Get to walking, troop. So, with 5-7 chains draped over his shoulders our slacker friend walks slowly... he has to... to the aircraft to deliver the chains. It could take 20 - 30 chains to tie down the load. More if it's a large plane or heavier vehicles... And don't forget plenty of tiedown devices! That's for ONE plane. We could load 30 in a shift. The work of a slacker is lonely... team players not so much.

Lunch time. I gotta give the troops time to eat. It's in the regulations. 15 minutes. But I'm an easy supervisor, and I give my troops 30 minutes... but Mr. Leisure has to run my stat sheets up to the Headquarters building and THEN he can eat with whatever time is left. Hell no, the vehicles can't leave the flightline.

After lunch, the slacker gets to lie on his back under vehicle after filthy vehicle and tie them down to perfection. The inspector (yours truly) makes sure it's done right. Makes for a LONG afternoon, and you CAN'T slack off. Military aircraft delays can get you in deep shit with... THE INSPECTOR.

OK. Lesson learned, I hope, because we can do it all again it you still think you're too precious to do what you're paid to do. And if not, we ALWAYS have planes, or cargo to stack or paint to scrape, or latrines to clean. And on top of that, you can do it while you're spending your off time in JAIL. The average sentence for a malingerer is 30 - 60 days. Oh and you're gonna LOVE your supervisor in the brig!!!
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#16054 - 12/12/08 07:16 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: The Zebu]
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Especially those fags who think they are somehow feeding off other people's "spiritual energy" by doing those retarded rituals in those shitty dime-a-dozen "vampyre magick" grimores.


I couldn't have said it better myself. What's the deal with that anyway, I know a lot of Satanists who are in on that whole Vampire kick, energy feeding, mumbo-jumbo! I read somewhere that the whole process of "feeding off of Energy" is an ancient form of Yoga or something to that effect. It seems to be a touchy subject in the Satanic Realm. Whatever the case may be, "to each his own".
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#16258 - 12/16/08 12:06 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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It sounds like your bosses would have already seen your "best pace" and they know that you are capable of moving 60 pallets in an 8hr shift- now they can see that your only doing 40, plus your work week is spilling over into a higher paying day because of it. Sure, your benefiting from it, but any boss with half a brain is going to wise up, show you the door, and hire someone who can do what you were originally doing- 60 pallets in an 8hr shift, Monday to Friday! No one is indispensable. Thus your "vampirism" ends up spinning around and totally biting you on the arse.
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#17376 - 12/31/08 08:40 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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I drink blood. Blood tastes very good.

Edited by Chey (12/31/08 08:42 PM)

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#17380 - 12/31/08 09:58 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Chey]
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LMAO! And if you lived in close proximity to me, I would hunt you down, tie you up, then proceed to nick a hole in one of your major arteries, then (to cut a long, sordid story short) I would commence to drink YOUR blood right in front of you, just to give you the shits...only joking.....?

Oops! just read your profile and saw your age, 13, wow...

Kids are exempt from harm in my book, so regarding the above, we'll just have to wait for a few more years won't we, lol.
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#17390 - 12/31/08 10:35 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Okay, I know we are drifting a little off topic here, but I feel the need to tell you(if, in fact, you truly are drinking blood) that there is absolutey no need nor benefit from such an act. I doubt that at such an age you go through the trouble of going down to get tested before you do this. If it is your own, fine. If from another, it is WISE to test if not avoid all together. It doesn't take much to get something inside your body that will NEVER go away no matter what you do. Might I suggest that it would be quite satanic to give thought, reason, and education a shot before jumping into it like a child into a baptismal pool?
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#17472 - 01/01/09 09:38 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: blsk]
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This guy was obviously a troll... waaay too exploitable.

Moving on, moving on...
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#17497 - 01/02/09 11:00 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: blsk]
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A little tip on drinking blood and eating guinea pig.

tasty
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#17528 - 01/03/09 04:59 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: fakepropht]
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That was disgustingly fantastic fakepropht - though having a kid bolting in asking the olds where his guinea pigs have gone would have capped it off perfectly...
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#17547 - 01/03/09 10:20 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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blsk, very neatly said. If it's true what Chey said, then he should ask a physician to check him out. He's not immortal as vampires are supposed to be, and drinking blood from another person can prove to be a problem...if your not already dead.

To me, the idea of a vampire is neat for they represent an 'oddity' of mother nature...or a lack of. Having an uncontrolled beast who is basically untouchable that thrives from slaughtering people is a control all in him/herself. What a situation it would be if a true vampire would be on the loose. A vampire goes by the alternate name of the Prince of Darkness, and he/she is associated with the Devil; therefore, a vampire is my hero.
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#17590 - 01/04/09 08:01 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: paolo sette]
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 Originally Posted By: paolo sette
lol wut


We don't need this here, please...
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#18058 - 01/12/09 09:51 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: The Zebu]
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You have to admit that all this is pretty amusing though Zebu...

"A vampire goes by the alternate name of the Prince of Darkness, and he/she is associated with the Devil;therefore, a vampire is my hero."

It was just unfortunate that I had a mouthful of coffee at the precise moment that I got to this little gem in Paolo's last post- the resulting burst of spontaneous laughter has left my computer drenched... Paolo, I hold you indirectly responsible.
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#19245 - 01/28/09 10:55 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Butterz]
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 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Kindess is weakness and I will use it to my advantage every chance I can.


Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.

Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires.


Can you not see how self-defiling it is to claim that people are being kind to you out of choice rather than necessity, and your response to that is to take advantage of them in every possible way? Most of the Satanists I know will begin a relationship with a stranger at least being respectful to them and will only become disrespectful after having been treated negatively. You’re just treated people negatively for the hell of it. That’s not good karma, it’s no way to better yourself, and it certainly is one sure path to self-destruction. If you get yourself fired, you will at least have the satisfaction of knowing you deserved it, you even earned it. There is something to be said for taking pride in your work.

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#19258 - 01/29/09 04:03 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: spiderbreeder]
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I know this topic is probably dead but i have to put my little bit in, Psy vamps and all who think that they exist are complete and utter failures in life just afraid to admit it.
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#19259 - 01/29/09 04:17 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Succubus666]
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 Originally Posted By: Tala de Sade
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates.



So true. And so true to my own nature. If someone is kind to me, I can't help myself, I just feel the insatiable need to be kind to the person in return. No one has ever regretted treating me well.

Hell, the reverse also works. I have noticed that "random acts of kindness" lubricate the gears of life so efficiently that it's literally crazy to miss an opportunity to be kind to someone.

Now of course, if some fool decides to treat me poorly, a different aspect of my personality begins to manifest.

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#19266 - 01/29/09 06:48 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: Zoid]
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 Originally Posted By: Tala_de_Sade
That’s not good karma, it’s no way to better yourself, and it certainly is one sure path to self-destruction.

Tayla, since when does one actually care about "karma"? Term is a bit misused in my opinion, it's better to say "for one's own profit/sake".
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 Originally Posted By: 600advocate
I know this topic is probably dead but i have to put my little bit in, Psy vamps and all who think that they exist are complete and utter failures in life just afraid to admit it.

How do you know they don't exist? From what I notice around me, the definition of psy vamp can be linked to certain people who are craving for controle over others.
Just think of a person who is a little mental disordered and stalking someone.
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#19272 - 01/29/09 09:52 AM Re: Vampires? [Re: 600Advocate]
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 Originally Posted By: 600Advocate
Psy vamps and all who think that they exist are complete and utter failures in life just afraid to admit it.


I get that this is what you believe, but would you be so kind as to explain why you think this? At least so far as people who believe psychic vampires exist are failures as well.
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#19782 - 02/06/09 03:38 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Sordid Archetype]
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Belief and faith must always incorporate ignorance, the faith that denies a nun a normal heterosexual life, is the same one that would enable some one to justify sucking the brain out of a monkey with a metal straw to gain greater life expectancy and youthfulness.
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#19793 - 02/06/09 05:18 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: joseph oreilly]
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Belief and faith must always incorporate ignorance

Must they?

Belief and faith are not the same thing, you know. Everybody is loaded down with beliefs. I would go so far as to say you couldn't navigate the world for any length of time whatsoever without them. Do you believe it is safe to go on a red light?

Faith is another matter. As belief is something you do, faith is a reason for doing it. An epistemologically unsound reason, but a reason.

Less important than a belief itself is the reasoning behind it, and whether that reasoning can hold water.
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#19796 - 02/06/09 05:27 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
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Belief and faith must always incorporate ignorance

Must they?

Belief and faith are not the same thing, you know. Everybody is loaded down with beliefs. I would go so far as to say you couldn't navigate the world for any length of time whatsoever without them. Do you believe it is safe to go on a red light?

Faith is another matter. As belief is something you do, faith is a reason for doing it. An epistemologically unsound reason, but a reason.

Less important than a belief itself is the reasoning behind it, and whether that reasoning can hold water.


Because beleif has to incorporate some level of ignorance, because Beleif and faith lend themselves to being an absolute certainty and as humanbeings the only absolute certainties we have are the ones that are most immediate to us.

The spiritual or ideological implicate overall meaning among that which people as individuals cannot know, therefor there is no reason for them to apply these things to themselves.

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#19797 - 02/06/09 05:35 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: joseph oreilly]
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As I JUST explained, belief and faith are not interchangeable concepts. All knowledge must incorporate belief at some point.

Do you believe your keyboard is made of plastic? Do you believe Internet is transmitted via cables? Do you believe that something will fall to the floor if you drop it?

How much ignorance do you think is 'incorporated' into any of these process'?


PS - get a spellchecker.
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#19801 - 02/06/09 06:18 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Do you believe your keyboard is made of plastic?

I did until I found out it was actually made of fiberglass.

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Do you believe Internet is transmitted via cables??
I did until I found the satellite dish.
 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Do you believe that something will fall to the floor if you drop it??

I did until the comet hit and sent everything flying off into outer space.

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
How much ignorance do you think is 'incorporated' into any of these process'?

It seems as if we are always dealing with probabilities even if very minute.
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#19802 - 02/06/09 06:35 PM Re: Vampires? [Re: The AntiChris]
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 Originally Posted By: The AntiChris
 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Do you believe your keyboard is made of plastic?

I did until I found out it was actually made of fiberglass.

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Do you believe Internet is transmitted via cables??
I did until I found the satellite dish.
 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Do you believe that something will fall to the floor if you drop it??

I did until the comet hit and sent everything flying off into outer space.

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
How much ignorance do you think is 'incorporated' into any of these process'?

It seems as if we are always dealing with probabilities even if very minute.


 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Do you believe your keyboard is made of plastic? Do you believe Internet is transmitted via cables? Do you believe that something will fall to the floor if you drop it?


That's why I said the only absolute certainties are the ones that are the most immediate to us.

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