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#15956 - 12/11/08 10:09 AM Aesthetics
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I've been giving a lot of thought to the 9th Satanic Sin - Lack of Aesthetics. Specifically,
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It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

I'm stuck on the "universally pleasing and harmonious configurations" part. Universally pleasing? How can that be?
On reading http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aesthetic-judgment/ I found that
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Judgments of taste are like empirical judgments in that they have universal validity; but, they are unlike empirical judgment in that they are made on the basis of an inner response.


I get the "universal validity" but still not sold on "universally pleasing".

I looked up the roots of the word "aesthetics" and found that it comes from the Greek "aisthētikos", having to do with sense perception. Aesthetics is traditionally viewed as what you perceive to be beautiful, or what gives you a sensation of pleasure. This gives me a better understanding of why attention to aesthetics is a key ingredient of Satanism.

The author suggests that since the eighteenth century a disdain has developed for the notion that pleasurable=good, in favor of beneficial=good. He suggests that
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This disdain for the aesthetic may have roots in a broader cultural Puritanism, which fears the connection between the aesthetic and pleasure.


Factoring this in, I have formed an idea which allows me to agree that there can be universally pleasing configurations. Perhaps there ARE universally pleasing configurations, but some are not aware of what is actually pleasing, even to themselves, as a result of skewed perspective (such as religious belief).

Thoughts?
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#15985 - 12/11/08 06:51 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Picunnus]
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There are universals, wired straight into our biology. For instance:symmetry. Humans instinctively look for symmetry in mates, and have been shown to prefer all things symmetrical.

I'm sure there are other factors, this was just one example. What it boils down to is people are people, and there isn't as much difference between us as some would like to portray. All this hubub about every person being a unique flower or a shining star is all feel good nonsense. There are only so many configurations for the human brain, and that number is quite finite. If you accept this premise then it naturally follows that the human standard for what is pleasing is not really that diverse either.

How many men REALLY prefer fat chicks?
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#15988 - 12/11/08 07:02 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Well... the Reubenesque form for a woman was considered the ideal up until fairly recently on a time line, even here in the good old US of A. And I'll be the first to admit that I have seen some zoftig women who were drop dead gorgeous. Seen some waifs that made me ill just looking at them as well.

The female form has several universal qualities that are almost etched into the human psyche. The shapes of the nape of the neck, the swell at the base of the spine, the gentle "s curve" of a woman's leg and others can be seen glorified in paintings and sculptures around the world. You can see them reflected in some of the more supple curves of Middle Eastern and Asian architecture.

I'd recommend reading THE LAW OF THE TRAPEZOID by Anton LaVey. It touches on aesthetics and how shapes can subconsciously affect us... and others if used well.
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#15991 - 12/11/08 07:25 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Jake999]
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Ok fat chicks was a bad example, that could be taken too many ways. Some girls can carry extra weight and still look really good.

But I do believe you catch my drift.

And I do think I WILL reread that essay. I'm sure I still have a copy of 'the devils notebook' in one of my boxes of books, somewhere.
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#16015 - 12/12/08 01:34 AM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Dan_Dread]
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yes no bagging on big girls Dan!
personally I find healthy to be a deciding factor in attractiveness, probably more so than balance.
and I prefer, no..require, a certain extent of little imperfections.
maxim girls mostly bore the shit out of me.

my favorite author wrote a book on this: history of beauty

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#16019 - 12/12/08 05:51 AM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Bacchae]
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I think a distinction is needed between "fat" and "obese". My mate hates skinny women - he says it hurts too much to give 'em a good hard pounding when their hips are all bony. Gotta have some cushion, you know.

Thanks for the replies though - I was stuck looking from one angle and completely missed symmetry and the like. Of course that makes sense, and I definitely need to read that, Jake.
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#16027 - 12/12/08 11:59 AM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Picunnus]
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and I prefer, no..require, a certain extent of little imperfections.

YES!

This is the same reason I get nothing from watching 'standard' porn. Perfect women do nothing for me. Gimme normal looking women doing amateur shit any day of the week.

I believe the Japanese call this concept 'wabi-sabi'
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#16059 - 12/12/08 09:26 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread


This is the same reason I get nothing from watching 'standard' porn. Perfect women do nothing for me. Gimme normal looking women doing amateur shit any day of the week.

I believe the Japanese call this concept 'wabi-sabi'


Same
but maybe that is because some things just get old. That may be why fetishes are so important to some, they cant have it any other way.
I hate people who dislike something because of common views even when they it is aesthetically pleasing to them.
Fuck normal looking women, I like the chicks with extra nipples or a bit too much hair for society's views.

And this makes me wonder, does it still count as being aesthetically pleasing if for some reason the person also has an intense dislike for it?
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#16068 - 12/12/08 11:36 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Phaethon]
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"And this makes me wonder, does it still count as being aesthetically pleasing if for some reason the person also has an intense dislike for it?"

Love and hate are like flip sides of a coin. Some would say that in order to feel passion, there has to be some dislike there.

When getting into sex play, like s&m, the dislike may be part of the mindset. Example being how someone hates the idea of being pissed on, then jerks off thinking of the taste. Or says how they never bottom, but would act out if they were.

Aesthetically pleasing should only count as to what pleases you. If you bend your ideas to what the mass media tells you to like, then where does it end?

I like a smart brain, manners, sense of humor, and a nice ass on a man. Everything else can be taught.

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#16159 - 12/14/08 06:03 AM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Morgan]
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#16163 - 12/14/08 07:14 AM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Bacchae]
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I agree with Dan that some things are universal. Hip-waist ration are, healthy and symmetry too. Those trigger routines in our brain; good genes = good to give birth. Flashy lipstick also triggers this, it's the same as a baboon popping up his ready-to-be-consumed ass.

I prefer my girls to be thin, healthy thin and yes, no perfection to me. The ladies have to look as if they lived life, not spent time into a preservation-unit. No matter how symmetrical or photoshopped some models are in advertisement or bookies, I do see zombies. They all look as if they are being produced into the same sort of drone-factory.

But even when visual looks might be the first attraction, personality or content define how long I tolerate their company. A pretty goldfish might be nice to fuck but hell, what are you gonna do those other hours? If she drives me nuts in two sentences, I don't even find her fuckable any longer.

When I was a kid, I had the hots for:


When I was a teen, I did find her hot as hell:


If I look at Navy NCIS, this one does it for me:


Can you spot a theme?

Of course, at my age, you hardly find women looking like that and I'm glad they don't.

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#16169 - 12/14/08 11:10 AM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Diavolo]
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I tend to go for a style that's probably a result of my ECI set point... black short skirt - snug but not tight, front button blouse in a solid color, heels and stockings. Panty hose are the work of THE DEVIL!!! Hate those things.

When I take a woman out, I like her to look classy, approachable, and well groomed, but with a little touch of "slut" slipping out once in a while for interest.

This is "something" like it, but needs to be tightened up a bit.



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#16176 - 12/14/08 02:41 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Bacchae]
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I agree back in the day before cosmo,vouge,maximum,and all other media toilets started telling women how they should look a thick volumptious woman was considered beautiful and sensual.But now the shepeards of the herd the above mentioned are now dictating what women should look like putting all kindds of pressure on them to conform.I appreciate women who don't conform to this media bullshit as long as they take care of themselves "VANITY IT'S MY FAVORITE SIN".PRAISE to the women who don't conform.
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#16210 - 12/15/08 12:22 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Picunnus]
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"Not everything. You can't teach a true vanilla how to take control."

A true vanilla is different from a true submissive.
In both cases it can be done, but it would take effort, and psychological manipulation. It would depend if you feel the payoff is worth the effort.

At this point, I've done it before, and I am working on a new project now. So, we shall see.

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#16218 - 12/15/08 03:22 PM Re: Aesthetics [Re: Morgan]
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I don't mind if a woman has some weight on her, but when it comes to the point where the excess fat overdistorts her curves, a woman becomes a bloated, blasphemous caricature of a human being. THAT is ugly. (But then again, how can I speak for the extreme BBW fetishists who actually get turned on by 300+ pound whales? Different strokes, I guess.)

I have a weird taste in women. I like moderately slim ones, with really short (preferably dark) hair. Skirts and dresses are dull, but pants are hot because they show off the contour of the legs. The breasts should not be too large, as it throws off the visual balance and aerodynamics of the figure. Nearly all makeup beyond a little eyeshadow looks whorish to me, and high heeled shoes are a disgustingly awkward turn-off (boots please), but platforms are fine.

I wouldn't define some aesthetics as absolutely universal, but there's always overlapping in different areas, which gives us a "general picture" of what is common among tastes.
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