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#164 - 09/07/07 08:45 PM Freemasons
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The Freemasons are pretty big in the Untied States and Europe, I was really curious and just for the hell of it looked up their statistics on their website.

I was a little disappointed to find that it seems to just be another extension of the Christian sheeple religion. I was curious to know what other Satanists think of this. I really have no opinion much either way.

We have thousands of Freemasons everywhere in Memphis - from what I can tell they do very little for the community. Even the Christian churches seem to do more relief work.

Anyways you can read about it here:

http://www.scottishrite.org/prospectives/aboutsr.html

Some excerpts:

27° - Knight Commander of the Temple

This degree teaches the apprentice to scorn selfishness, and to uphold the knightly virtues of charity, truth and honor. We should always strive to assist the poor, helpless and infirm. The apron is of scarlet lambskin, lined in black, with a Teutonic Cross (cross potent sable, charged with a smaller cross double potent or, surcharged with the escutcheon of the Empire - the two-headed black eagle) and a black key surrounded by a laurel wreath. The jewel is the Teutonic Cross shown on the apron.



28° - Knight of the Sun or Prince Adept

We learn in this degree that our love for God manifests itself in our love for truth, justice and nobility of soul. The apron worn is white lambskin, with a vermilion Pentagram. The jewel is a gold five-pointed star.

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#172 - 09/08/07 02:18 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: 97and107]
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Having known a higher ranking freemason (he ran the chapter/lodge/clubhouse) and being a person that likes to ask many questions I asked and asked and then asked some more…

The only answers boiled down to this:

We are a brotherhood like a fraternity… We help our brothers and their families… A Freemason strives to become a Shriner… Shriners help burned and crippled children…

This was obtained over a two-year period… Many times he repeated the answers like he was reading a cue card…

We know they also drive cool tiny gas powered cars in parades… Perhaps this is the true secret and highest level a Shriner can achieve is to get his fez and the keys to become a DRIVER of a very tiny car…

Their secret rituals have been leaked or some serious disinformation is out there… Using an electric carpet for initiation? Is anyone up for some childish hazing rituals?

On the symbolism:

Nothing we use as our Symbolism has not been borrowed or stolen from others …


Edited by ta2zz (09/08/07 02:25 AM)
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#175 - 09/08/07 08:11 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: ta2zz]
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Hmmm, I live right next to a Mason lodge, and they only hold infrequent meetings there. I never see or hear about them getting involved in charity work. It's just another "club" for people to belong to, as far as I'm concerned. Just like our 600! Weeeeee!
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#202 - 09/09/07 11:55 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Nemesis]
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My cousin was initiated a few years ago. I don't know if he participates much or what they do, but I know he isn't a crazy xtian, so it's not entirely a sheep based organization. He's also in the military. His wife is sort of "new-agey".
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#227 - 09/10/07 05:39 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Have you ever considered becoming a Mason?

Interesting read note the usage of the words brothers and brotherhood...
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#260 - 09/11/07 10:09 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: ta2zz]
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hmmmn, my guess us women aren't invited, right Ta2zz?


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#265 - 09/12/07 01:27 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Actually, the eastern star is the sisterhood organization to the masons.

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#269 - 09/12/07 02:08 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Morgan]
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Let us not forget the "Daughters of the Nile"...
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#275 - 09/12/07 02:52 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: ta2zz]
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To Ta2zz. I do not belive for one second that a Free Mason told you that they strive to become a shriner and that shriners burn and cripple children. Or have you just implyed that on him and all Free Masons? LOL hazing is implyed for all who join a club. Thats just the way that is.
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#283 - 09/12/07 06:08 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: darkstar6979]
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 Originally Posted By: darkstar6979
To Ta2zz. I do not belive for one second that a Free Mason told you that they strive to become a shriner and that shriners burn and cripple children.


I have nothing to prove… Do your own research… On Shriners burning and crippling children I said they help them

“but if you would have looked at my original post you would have seen it.” ~darkstar6979

 Originally Posted By: darkstar6979
Or have you just implyed that on him and all Free Masons? LOL hazing is implyed for all who join a club. Thats just the way that is.


Well consider this dose of reality your hazing… Before you come to anyone here with your idiotic ramblings, you would do best to compose yourself and your writings… Before you hit the reply button…

Have a nice day…


Edited by ta2zz (09/12/07 06:09 AM)
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#377 - 09/16/07 08:34 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: 97and107]
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Not the Freemason thing again. First; you don't need to be a Xian to be a Freemason. B – The symbolism is older than Xianity. And, 3 – Freemasons in the first three degrees rarely know what the whole thing is about.

If you have any specific questions about Freemasonry, just ask.

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#438 - 09/18/07 01:22 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: darkstar6979]
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 Originally Posted By: darkstar6979
To Ta2zz. I do not belive for one second that a Free Mason told you that they strive to become a shriner and that shriners burn and cripple children. Or have you just implyed that on him and all Free Masons? LOL hazing is implyed for all who join a club. Thats just the way that is.


I'm against burning children. It ruins the delicate flavor.

But I believe Ta2zz is correct. To become a Shriner, you must be a high lvl mason and be flagged for PVP.

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#480 - 09/19/07 05:46 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: MCSA TEK]
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There is a new concept the shriners are bringing to the table and its called. Every Mason should be a shriner.

Depending on what jurisdiction you are in you do not need to go through the scottish rite or York Rite to become a shriner. You do need to be a 3rd degree master mason though.

I am a Master Mason right now. Once the Scottish Rite ceremonies come around again I will be moving in that direction.

Masonry itself stops at the 3rd degree. Scottish Rite, York Rite, etc. are all concordent bodies. They are extensions beyond what one can learn in Masonry.

It is a fraternity. Shriner's hospitals raise millions to aid the children mentioned earlier.

Masons fall under heavy propoganda I think because of their tradition of secrecy pertaining to certain items, in the same way that propogandists can make Satanism into some illuminaty driven machine hell bent on ruling the world.

There is a christian feel to it which took me some time to get used to, this is due mainly to their allusion to portions of the bible and the symbology they take from that. However, religion and polotics is not to be mentioned amongst the brothers.

Now as Lord Templar mentioned there is a lot to know once you move into the other degrees but after getting to know these guys I'm sure thay once I pull back the curtain I will find regular people just like always.


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#494 - 09/20/07 02:10 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: delusion]
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I thank you for your time in explaining this process a bit to those of us interested... From what I read one of the first requirements is that you believe in a god, a supreme being... The train stops right there for me...

A few questions if you feel the whim to oblige...

Do shriners and masons help people other than children and their brothers...

Are the small cars owned by the shriners as a whole or are they privately owned by members...

What is the oldest small car owned and used by the shriners and what make/ model does it replicate?

My questions are not sarcastic in nature, I have many fond memory's of 4th of July parades as a child... The highlight of the parade of course was the shriners in their jackets and fez flying around in those awesome little cars...

I wonder if there is a website dedicated to those machines of childhood delight...
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#497 - 09/20/07 02:38 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: ta2zz]
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Yes the charities do extend beyond children and brothers yes. Our local lodge just handed out 3 scholarships recently to some young ladies for their achievements.

As for the parade cars I have to be honest I don't know who owns the little cars. Because that is more of a Shrine thing I honestly have not thought about it. I will venture the guess that they are owned by the individual lodges, but again, I'll need to check on that and get back to you.

The parades crack me up too. That really is what the shrine is all about; fun. The first 3 degrees and the work in the concordant bodies is just that, work. But the shrine is a party according to those members that are also shriners.

As far as the belief in God requirement for me it is all a matter of perception. I agree though, that was a hurdle for me at first also. Remember though it's the symbology that becomes the focus not the oppressive dogma we (Satanists) tend to cringe about.


Edited by delusion (09/20/07 02:40 AM)

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#505 - 09/20/07 04:25 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: delusion]
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Hola,

I realize the first third degrees are "common", that is, the Master Mason degree is the "zenith", generally speaking. The degrees that follow are, from what I know, "symbolic", and not actually considered "advancements". To belong to a "Scottish Rite Temple", for instance, usually involves already being a Master Mason. Such as it is, I guess, with Shriners.

But what is the thing?

I may be considered a "legacy", since my grandfather was a Master Mason, but I wonder what the point actually is. What purpose does it serve? I sound like Excalibur, shit.

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#507 - 09/20/07 05:15 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: daevid777]
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Are you asking why become a mason?

I am into the same esoterica that many of us seem to gravitate toward. I think it is the same desire to "know" that brought me to Satanism.

The difference is that ALL of my satanic/occult interactions are online. Which is fine if it is only information that you seek and provided you can find a quality resource to derive that information from. But after a time that just was not cutting it anymore for me. The lodge provides something real for me.

Now I can enjoy that balance. I have been distilling Satanism and the rest of the esoterica that I've come upon for years now and taken from it what I find most useful to me in this life. The lodge is another way go gain knowlege while being able to give something back as well, rather then being just another vampire.

I'm going to cut short as I just realized I wasn't toally sure that this was the question you had asked me in the first place.

Thanks,
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#515 - 09/20/07 01:49 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777
Hola,

I may be considered a "legacy", since my grandfather was a Master Mason, but I wonder what the point actually is. What purpose does it serve? I sound like Excalibur, shit.

David.


I have family that are masons, family that are nuns (most very religious, or like to look like they are) , not sure if any are priests though. I could fallow one of paths for the sake of legacy, but i don't. i do, what i do simply because i want to, not for legacy. If later on i wish to become a mason, i will, simply because I want to.

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I think it is the same desire to "know" that brought me to satanism.


yes i would agree, I know full well i wont find some bit of knowledge that has never be thought of before. but at the same time the drive to know, and to understand, is was keeps me reading, and experiencing new things. most people join physical groups to be able to speck face to face, and not just read text on a screen.
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#530 - 09/21/07 04:58 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: delusion]
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Yes,

No.

Does that make sense?

I wasn't asking "why" you became a Mason - curiosity is reason enough. I was actually asking a more "technical" question, about the workings of their "temples", as it were.

Honestly, I've been considering joining - but I'd like to know, if you have any advice, "is it worth my time"?

Thanks for the response,

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#565 - 09/22/07 08:38 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: daevid777]
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From what I have read it just seems like a waste of time and resources, not just for the masons who join but for the whole human race (on a miniscule scale, of course).

I think that there is a vanity in it, similar to what Church of Satan members find appealing in flashing their membership and signatures everywhere - an ego stroke, and thus a disservice to the higher self. Simply put I do not believe holding this membership would be a cause of self-actualization. I have not been very impressed with most of the Masons I have encountered so far. They seem like boring drones.

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#586 - 09/23/07 01:18 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: 97and107]
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To each their own.

I've met some very intelligent masons. One happens to be a very close friend to my family. My father, uncle and grandfather are also masons. They do a lot for the community. They can be drones all they want, but the moment they make my community a richer and safer place, I'm fine with it.

An example, they ran a fund raiser and donated all the proceeds to a family in our town who couldn't afford surgery for their daughter. They've also raised a lot of money to purchase school books and to help refurbish the public library so it was no longer stuck in the stone age. Just to name a few things, but they've done a lot for my hometown.

I guess it boils down to who is leading the local chapter, but the ones I've known have done a lot of good for their local communities. I really wouldn't mind getting an invite to join a local chapter of masons who believe in a strong community.
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#603 - 09/24/07 12:17 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: daevid777]
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 Originally Posted By: daevid777

I wasn't asking "why" you became a Mason - curiosity is reason enough.


well David, i wasn't talking about, though after re-reading it seems like it. But i mean, i usely don't ask people for the opinion on something, i do or plan to do, unless i have LOT of respect for them. as you said "is it worth my time" how can anyone say valuable your time is, if they don't know fully know you or social and financial standing (no disrespect to anyone). to me it would make no sense to ask. unless wanted advise from people that have done it, and know what awaits.

as for becoming a freemason, all i can say is this, If you want it, if its something you truly want, go for it.

"about the workings of their "temples", as it were"

ask them, i have asked them before (i have also looked in to it) , if you want a local link msg me
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#945 - 10/07/07 10:16 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: blackdragon31560]
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Just for the record the Freemasons don't recruit. Nobody is going to come to you and ask you to join. You have to seek a member out yourself and express interest.
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#953 - 10/07/07 05:07 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Samuel Hain]
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I have some cool pics of me in an old outback Lodge in Australia; I will have to post them some time. This place was pretty cool; mid to late 1800s I think it was.

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#968 - 10/08/07 12:59 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: delusion]
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MJ-23 has plenty of marauders around, don't give in to it.

Damn, I've gotten tired of playing these games with you folks, the sandbox ain't big enough for the "whatever the number" it is so with this I bid Ado.

As always, yours truly,
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#1362 - 11/02/07 01:36 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: 97and107]
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I saw a glimpse of the Masons' esoteric symbolism, which contains some profound ideas.

One idea is that an individual must train his lower emotions before passing through a doorway - or he will end up drawn and quartered.

The same danger is present in all occultism and mysticism.
Getting out of your depth, with a lack of groundedness and emotional stability can lead to mental havoc and tears at best if one isn't careful.

This of course applies to Satanism.

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#1417 - 11/04/07 11:39 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Meq]
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do you mean you must mature from your iner seat of emotion?
im just trying to learn thanks
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#1418 - 11/04/07 11:42 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: SSSnake]
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and i was wondering is freemasons satanist?
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#1422 - 11/04/07 12:42 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: SSSnake]
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Doug, mate, you need to watch those one-liner and double and triple posts. When you reply, use the full reply screen so you can preview your post before you actually post it, to check spelling, context, and whether it properly conveys your question/answer. Just a heads up.
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#1433 - 11/04/07 02:31 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Nemesis]
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Nemesis is right douglas – perhaps you should just be quiet and read through the forum for a while; then if you have any questions or worthwhile input, go for it.

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#1434 - 11/04/07 02:53 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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perhaps i should, I am sorry for not knowing, ingnorance is my ass and posting is all new to me. i shall sit and chill,for know
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#2087 - 11/20/07 05:05 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Actually, the eastern star is the sisterhood organization to the masons.

Morg


My great grandmother from Scotland had always been a member of the Eastern Star as well as her daughter, my grandmother. They attended the Presbyterian Church here in the USA. The church had a Scottish priest. Presbyterians/Masons are very much into building a better world by investing in hospitals and children's health organizations. I think the masons are by far the best representation of Christians the religion has to offer but there is a seedy corrupt underbelly as with any Christian organization.

This is the freemason's guide:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/mas/gar/index.htm

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#3769 - 02/02/08 11:58 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: delusion]
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I'm a Freemason. The Satanic Bible got me interested in it back when I was 15. I had read that Templarism had a lot of influence on Satanic shit. So I began reading all these books on Freemasonry and heard rumors that the Templars had become masons so I figured what better way to become even more Satanic than to be a "Templar." I joined Freemasonry when I was 21 expecting to be given a shit load of dark secrets. I ended up being very disappointed. I had all these questions and none of them had any answers, except for the old parrot pre-fabricated silly shit answers.

I went up as high as I could go in the York Rite. (I'm hate the Scottish Rite), but still got no secrets of answers.

Most of the Masons are idiots. But they would give the shirt off their backs for a brother. They are needed in the lodge.

The Lodge is like a hive, with two kinds of Masons - Drones and Workers.

Drones remember rotes of lectures and breed new masons; while Workers go out and collect honey to fill their cells. Drones don't know shit about "honey" and it would be unfair to judge all of Freemasonry based on Breeder Drones. Unfortunately Freemasonry today is overpopulated with Drones, and a Worker is far and few these days.

There are secrets thoe if you know how and where to look... if you have an eye to see.

In the East you have the Worshipful Master who represents the rising Sun and the Pillar of Wisdom.

Wisdom in Greek is SOPHIA. When the word SOPHIA is put thru the Atbash cipher you get the word BAPHOMET (in hebrew).

King SOLOMON's name is a corruption of the Phoenician SALAMANA - God of the Evening; or Evening Star - the twin brother of SHAHAR - God of the Morning - or Morning Star. In the Bible the Ben Shahar is translated into LUCIFER... refering to Hiram King of Tyre who equated with Lucifer in the Bible. the King of Tyre is the Senior Warden of the Lodge.

In the book of Enoch there is a story of Shemyaza/Azazel and 200 of his Watchers who rebelled against God and fell. Shemyaza and 200 of his Watchers falls onto a Mountain called Mount Hermon (aka Sion) meaning Cursed Mountain, and the Watcher fall on their knees to sware an Oath of brotherhood and secrecy to keep their endevors a secret lest they be killed.

They disguise themselves as mortal men, take on wives, have children, and in secret begin to enlighten mankind with the liberal arts and sciences.

unfortunately they are discovered and brought to Mount Hermon where God orders the Archangel Michael to kill their sons - the Giborim and their wives.

God orders Michael to strip Shemyaza of all his metal so that he is neither naked nor clad, bind him with rope, and hang him upside down in the constellation Orion between Heaven and Earth for ever, and to place a blind fold opun his eyes so that he may never see the Light again. He then floods the earth to clean up the mess the Watcher had made.

When an Initiate is made a Mason he is blind stripped of all his metals, and made to be niether naked nor clad; a rope is placed around his body, and he is blindfolded.

The Initiate is lead around the lodge while Psalms 133 is read - a passage out of the bible paying homage to brotherhood and Mount HERMON.

When the word Mount HERMON is said the Initiate is caused to kneel at the Altar - as the Watchers once did and made to sware an Oath of Brotherhood and Secrecy...

If the Initiate were acting as Shemyaza and he had not seen the Light in eons and were cut down, what would he ask to see if the Master asks him: "Being in a state of darkness what is it you most desire?" The Initiate says LIGHT.

The first objects he sees after being brought from darkness to light are the three Great Lights: the Holy Bible; Square; and Compass.

The Holy Bible symbolizes the one who punished the Initiate. The Square and Compass represents where he was punished between Heaven (Compass) and Earth (Square). In the second degree the initiate is taught the same liberal arts and sciences that Shemyaza was condemned for.

At Roslin Chapel there is an statue of Shemyaza bond with rope and hanging from the ceiling... the Chapel was build some 300 years before the Book of Enoch was rediscovered after being lost for a thousand years. The Initiation ceremonies of Freemasonry were already in practiced and exposed two hundred years before the discovery of the Book of Enoch.
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#5546 - 03/13/08 02:07 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: SSSnake]
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 Originally Posted By: SSSnake
and i was wondering is freemasons satanist?


No.

Freemasons believe in a Supreme Being -- but a being based on each individual members own definitions of a Supreme Being. Freemasons do charity and help the community; where Satanists are selfish and indulgent. Freemasons aren't selfish and understand the need to help those in a less fortunate position then ourselves.

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#5561 - 03/13/08 08:35 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: DaVinci]
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Freemasons can be Satanists - the Supreme Being I believe in is my higher self and any charity work I do is not altruistic. I am selfish to the core. When I do something for the greater good people like me for it, they are more willing to return the favour, and I even enjoy the whole thing sometimes. Problem solved \:\)

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#5565 - 03/13/08 09:16 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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I always thought you had to be male to join the Freemasons. Have they changed that in recent years? I do realise you are a male BTW MT.

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#5570 - 03/13/08 10:09 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I always thought you had to be male to join the Freemasons. Have they changed that in recent years? I do realise you are a male BTW MT.

Zeph
No Zeph. It's still male only in malecraft masonry (Mainstream). There are "unrecognized" lodges, grand lodges, like Co-Masonry. Generally orders like Co-Masonry and Grand Orients that are mixed gender are usually more philosophical and into the esoteric and spiritual aspect, whereas malecraft masonry has degenerated into a dinner club of sorts.

http://themasonictrowel.com/Articles/Gen...by_yronwode.htm
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#5577 - 03/13/08 10:28 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Cool. I have never met nor heard a women in Australia talking about it. I wonder if there are co-masonry lodges here. I shall look into it.

I must admit, you have had me a little perplexed at times as some of your original posts had me thinking you were a man. It's funny how when you take away a picture and someone's talk of themselves as being of one sex or another, that it can be very difficult to tell the two apart. More kudos to you for keeping your sex out of it for so long.
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#5578 - 03/13/08 10:30 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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 Originally Posted By: Mercury_Templar
Freemasons can be Satanists - the Supreme Being I believe in is my higher self and any charity work I do is not altruistic. I am selfish to the core. When I do something for the greater good people like me for it, they are more willing to return the favour, and I even enjoy the whole thing sometimes. Problem solved \:\)

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Good point. \:D But slightly altered..
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#5581 - 03/13/08 10:47 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
Cool. I have never met nor heard a women in Australia talking about it. I wonder if there are co-masonry lodges here. I shall look into it.

I must admit, you have had me a little perplexed at times as some of your original posts had me thinking you were a man. It's funny how when you take away a picture and someone's talk of themselves as being of one sex or another, that it can be very difficult to tell the two apart. More kudos to you for keeping your sex out of it for so long.

Thanks Zeph.

Co-Masonry isn't the only discipline that takes in females. There are others, the Droit Humaine is a more "prominent" one associated with the French Grand Orient that lets in females; some only accept females too. But you have to keep in mind that most malecraft masons are jerks about this. They won't recognize you as a mason, even thoe you've gone thru the same degrees, and took and live by the same oaths.

Co-Masonry and La Droit Humaine are "Unrecognized" meaning that they won't let you into the male only lodges; but your not missing out. Some disciplines in the Droit Humaine are atheistic because of being influenced by the Grand Orient system (The French Grand Orient turned atheistic back in the 1800's and the United Grand Lodge of England got all ass hurt over it).

Definately look into it, it might turn out to be not your cup of tee, but, hey, at least you learned something.
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#5615 - 03/14/08 12:17 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Freemason i am.Got my own society of pagans,mywiccans.and
friends of one commune.Not a cult.Just a place where people
can expree their feeling on war artisticexpression,dope etc..


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#5617 - 03/14/08 12:28 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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 Originally Posted By: Isaak w shipley
Freemason i am.Got my own society of pagans,mywiccans.and
friends of one commune.Not a cult.Just a place where people
can expree their feeling on war artisticexpression,dope etc..


"Jack-o-daniels had me floating in visions last night"
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Hi, what do you mean when you say you are a Freemason? Have you been initiated or do you live "masonically" or like masonry's teachings?

Most people when they say the are masons have been made in a lodge of Masons of some sort that belongs to a grand lodge of some sort.
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#5640 - 03/14/08 03:48 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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No.I mean i practice my own philosophy.I do-mot aree with any man made religion.A stucture of rules they force feed you their concepts and if your are different an anyway.they demonize you.YOur are of the devil.I agree with some of the teachings.
THe power of knowlege,wisdom.and the scecret society.The great
society of satanist,pagans,alike.I have my own society similar to the freemasons,satanist.I however do not believe intheir man
rules like anyother man made stucture.I just agree with some of their philosophy.IM a freemason as in i practice my own preaching
but i have no faith in rules and regulations of man made bullshi##


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#5641 - 03/14/08 04:08 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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 Originally Posted By: Isaak w shipley
No.I mean i practice my own philosophy.I do-mot aree with any man made religion.A stucture of rules they force feed you their concepts and if your are different an anyway.they demonize you.YOur are of the devil.I agree with some of the teachings.
THe power of knowlege,wisdom.and the scecret society.The great
society of satanist,pagans,alike.I have my own society similar to the freemasons,satanist.I however do not believe intheir man
rules like anyother man made stucture.I just agree with some of their philosophy.IM a freemason as in i practice my own preaching
but i have no faith in rules and regulations of man made bullshi##


"the power of the divine dwells in ourselfs.Not a building" Me.........................


Some rules were meant to be broken; other were meant to be followed. Masonic rules and regulations are mostly about keeping the rituals and ceremonies from deforming and mutating, as well as some rules on proper conduct; its not sectarian in nature.

Usually people don't carry the title "freemason" as an identity marker when they agree with some of Masonry's principles; they usually under go some kind of initiation within a constituted lodge. But I understand what you mean. You should be more careful about using the label freemason with yourself; especially when traveling abroad. If you go to places like communist China; or some parts of Central America; you will make some very dangerous enemies.

So what is your secret society of pagans and satanists called?
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#5699 - 03/14/08 11:26 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Please keep this thread on topic or I will close it – and shipley, fix up the grammar, you are starting to piss me off.
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#5946 - 03/19/08 08:37 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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I'm sorry Shipley, you're either a Freemason or you're not. And furthermore, if you have started a group, and apply your own rules, you are following "man made bullshit". I would take a dim view of anyone from your club.

Some People still take their vows of silence seriously, for whichever reason. Don't Freemasons take a vow of silence?

As a member of the Left hand path, I don't agree with Freemasonry. I understand it's integral didactic value, but it does teach submission to god, and it does teach submission to society and a set moral value. I don't think it has any place on the left hand path as a tool or brotherhood. A member applies on the understanding that they believe in god (not defined).

While it is up to the choice of the individual as to what they believe, I have never felt that submission to a higher power has been a part of either Satanism or the left handed journey.

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#5955 - 03/19/08 09:08 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xutech]
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I have never felt that Freemasonry teaches submission in any form. Submission would imply that you are conducting yourself in a manner opposed to your true will. Freemasonry, among many things, attempts to put you in touch with your true will.

Again, the Supreme Being is referred to in a philosophical manner not a religious sense – the religion, if that is what you want to call it, is up to the individual. An individual could also hold the Satanic Bible as their sacred text, or mayhap The Book of The Law.

You also need to be careful when using the terms 'morals' and 'values'. Freemasonry encourages the individual to have principals or values while appreciating if the majority of those values do not disrupt common morality to a point of ridicule. If this were the case, you would never be initiated.


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#5957 - 03/19/08 09:32 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xutech]
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 Originally Posted By: Xutech
but it does teach submission to god, and it does teach submission to society and a set moral value. I don't think it has any place on the left hand path as a tool or brotherhood.


As you said: "You're either a Freemason, or you're not."
How is it that a guy who has never taken the degrees of freemasonry... never Speculated on its symbolism... who exists psychologically Out Side the Temple, could know what Freemasonry teaches its initiates behind closed doors?

"rebellion against tyranny is obedience to God." as on Freemason stated. This would have been America's motto. That statement is the complete opposite of submission to anything.

Do you know how many Freemasons turned against the religions of their days and claimed Deism? Do you know how many Freemasons turned against the society of day - the most powerful Empire on earth - risked their lives and revolted for Liberty? Do you know how many Freemasons during the French revolution went around turning crosses upside down, slaughtering clergy, and burning churches down?

Are you talking about the same Freemasonry? Just cuz a few mediocre pansies join Freemasonry, doesn't mean Freemasonry teaches submission to state or religion.

If you have time and a way. Kessenger Publication has a book called Light On Masonry. This book is a facsimile of one written in 1821. It contains most of the Degree work verbatim. Take a look at the Pre-Pike 28th Degree of Knight of the Sun, and tell me thats teaching submission.


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#5959 - 03/19/08 10:05 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xutech]
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And one more thing:
 Originally Posted By: Xutech
I don't think it has any place on the left hand path as a tool or brotherhood.


The First Step of an Entered Apprentice is with the Left Foot.
When he has taken his obligation he is placed in the North East
Corner, as a Rough Ashlar, ready to be refined. At that corner as he stands to his right is the North which is a place of perpetual darkness; to his left is the East - the source of Light. The Worshipful Master then calls him to Travel East. He must walk the Left Hand Path towards the East if he is to find the Light he seeks.

Freemasonry is a progressive science, as it defines itself. Freemasonry is Geometry as it also defines itself. In the second degree Geometry is explained to the initiate, as it means in Freemasonry. It begins with a point, then a line; then a superfice... but the science is incomplete without depth making a solid. This hints that there is a superficial meaning to Masonic words and symbols, which, if a Mason understands his craft right, sees past it with depth and speculation, for the true meanings.

I'll include a portion of an essay I wrote for some friends:

The ancient Egyptian word NETER (NTR) means both a GOD and a WATCHER, that is one who sees or watches. In Sanskrit the word NETRA mean's an EYE. Coincidently in Irish the old Gaelic word SEAN means both a SEER or one who sees, and a STONE MASON. In Greek the Word Watcher is GRIGORY, which begins with the letter G or Gamma, just as the words GEO (earth) and GNOMON (a mason's square).

A man by the name of James Bruce (a descendent of Robert the Bruce, and 33rd degree Mason from Scotland) traveled to Ethiopia, and there discovered a lost extra-biblical book still used and read by the Ethioptic Jews (the Falasha) there called The Book of Enoch. This same book was brought back to Scotland where it sat in the Scottish Rite Temple for about 30 years, before it was mass published for public consumption. (Enoch by the way was said to be one of two men who found one of the two pillars after the great flood, so our ancient poems states).

The books deals with certain parts of the Book of Genisis, specifically about Noah and his times, but goes into more detail.
The detail is about an Angelic Race called the Watchers that fell to the earth to "corrupt" mankind. I'll give a summary of the story since it has some very interesting correlations with certain portions of our initiation ceremonies.
The story takes place during the time of Noah's grandfather Jared. The cheif of the Watchers called SHEMYAZA (meaning Heavenly Goat) or sometimes AZAZEL (meaning Strong or Viral Goat) wanders about the Earth and notices that mankind is living like beasts of burden, sleeping on the grass and screwing animals (I'm paraphrasing the story in my own words...you'll have to read it yourself, my version is mixed with some of the Talmud and Koran).

Shemyaza feels sorry for mankind and wonders why God made these pathetic creatures in the first place...it's just strange to him that they look like Angels, being created in God's likeness, but yet left in the dark, and permitted to live in such destitute and depraved conditions.
Shemyaza approaches the other Watchers and says: "I'm going to steel the Fire of Heaven, I'm going to go down there, and I am going enlighten those poor creatures, and make them equal to us..."

His angels replied saying that to take the Fire of Heaven and give it to mankind is a crime and punishable by death, for God did say that what is in Heaven belongs to Heaven, and what is of the Earth belongs to the Earth. And Shemyaza says: "Very well, I will do it alone, and I will take the blame for it." But most of his angels love him and are loyal to him and they follow him and say they will help enlighten mankind.

Shemyaza and 200 of his Angels descend into the earth. And the first place they set foot on was a Mountain named Mount Hermon (meaning Cursed in hebrew). They gather at the summit of Mount Hermon called Ardis which means the High Place and Shemyaza speaks to his brothers saying:" What we are about to embark upon is a crime, and we may end up dying for the crime we will commit. I am willing to die for this cause, but I fear that some of you will back away out of fear of death and tell God or stop the project."

In reply, all 200 of his angels said to Shenyaza that they sware that they will go through with it till the end, and to keep their activities on earth a secret, even if it means death. And Shemyaza then said, very well then, let us take an Oath of Fidelity to the cause on this Mountain, to remamber our brotherhood and the reason we came her, before we take on human form. And that day on the summit of Mount Hermon Shemyaza and 200 fallen angels fell on their knees and took an Oath of fidelity and brotherhood...and that is why the mountain was named the Cursed Mountian in Hebrew.

The angels each then seperated and went different ways taking on human form and human wives, blending in with the population. Each Watcher was skilled in one of the Fires or Wisdoms of Heaven and each were going to secretly impart that Wisdom to mankind in secret, lest they be caught by God and destroyed. Some of the Watchers began teaching mankind the Art of Reading and Writing; some taught mankind how to build cities; some taught Geometry and Astronomy and all the measurments of the stars; some taught botany and what herbs cured what illnesses; some taught woman how to abort their unwanted fetuses; others taught mankind mathamatics and Music; but Shemyaza saved the greatest Art for him self to teach...the Art of Beauty. Shemyaza (Azazel) taught women and men about METALURGY, how to find ore and smelt it and make jewelry out of it and adorn their bodies with it. He taugh women how to make make up and perfume and nice clothing.

In time the earth began to change. Cities began cropping up, schools, and maybe even strip clubs and the like. And the human race also began to change, with their newly found skill of reading, law making, science...they became more intelligent, and able to think for themselves, and question their reality.
By now the Watchers; who have disguised themselves as men and have married human girls) had children running around called Giborim who were helping their fathers to teach and enlighten the human race in secret.

And so as time passed, one day the Arch Angel Michael happened to pass by the earth, he looked down upon it and said: "What the hell!?" Because he noticed the earth was different. Now Michael and Azazel had sibling rivalry for each other, each trying to be the favorite of God; Micheal being the second born was a major ass kisser. Micheal concluded that this can only be the work of one being...Shemyaza! He went to God and told on Shemyaza:" Father, Azazel stole the Fire of Heaven, gave it to mankind, and enlightened them; now they are reading and writing, building cities...now they not only look like us, but they are as wise as us! If you don't stop your favorite son he will eventually give them the fruit from the tree of life and they will live forever like us angels and then they will be equal to us!"

God became angry, and screamed out from Heaven to Shemyaza: "I really hate you now; look at what you've done. This is the last straw."

In the Book of Enoch Shemyaza begins to now point his finger at God and a whole page an a have is dedicated to all the bad names he calls God, saying things like, you only created them to worhip you, a slave to your egotism, I was a better father to them, I enlightened them, and made them equal to me...
God commands Michael to gather all the Hosts of heaven and gather them, their wives, and children, to Mount Hermon where they first fell on and wait there for instructions...and the War in Heaven Begins.

Shemyaza and his meager 200 angels and their children take up arms against a hoard of Angels. Michael goes for Shemyaza, and a long sword fight in the sky is faught between them.
Now shemyaza wore armour made of metal, and a golden crown. And on that crown was his jewel, which was a large emerald. As he faught with Michael, Michael's sword hits Azazel's crown and the Emerald falls to the earth. Shemyaza is out numbered, and gives up, and he and his angels and their wives and children are braght to Mount Hermon and wait for God.

God approaches the Mountain, and looks at Shemyaza, and asks him: "Repent, and pleade for forgiveness, and admit that you have done wrong, and all will be forgiven Shemyaza."
Shemyaza says to God that he will not repent because he has done nothing wrong. And God says to his angels : "Slaughter their wives and children before their eyes." And after the wives and children had been slaughtered, God asks Shemyaza a second time: "Repent Shemyaza and just admit you had done wrong and you will be able to come home." And Shemyaza says to God that he will not repent because he had done nothing wrong. And God commanded his angels to sluaghter Shemyaza's Watchers before his eyes.
God asks Shemyaza a third time: " Just say sorry and come home, and we can start over, just say I'm sorry..."

Shemyaza says: " I will not, kill me, because it is to late. They will continue building their cities, learning, making their own Laws, even when I am gone. They will one day learn of your true nature and turn there backs on you. Kill me.

God then commands his angel to inform Noah that there will be a flood that will kill every living creature on the Earth and for him to build a boat to save himself and his family because Noah was the only man that remained pure and that was not corrupted by Shemyaza and his angels. The flood happens and murders everyone. And God looks at Shemyaza and says:" It is finished; The earth will start anew as it was in the beginning, washed clean from your corruption. you have worked in vain. Repent Shemyaza and come home, I will forgive you." Shemyaza refuses to repent and tell God to Kill him.

God says:" No; I will not; I have something better for you;" he commands Michael:" strip him of his metal and jewelry; strip him naked; hang him upside down between heaven and earth with in the constellation Orion, bind him with rope; and blind fold him, that he may never see the LIGHT of day again (which is actually what the Book of Enoch says his punishment was). And Michael did as he was told...and there to this day Azazel hangs upside down within the constellation Orion tied with rope and blind folded, naked and unclothed.

But what does this story of Shemyaza have anything to do with Freemasonry?? I will show you some points where this story of the Watchers and Freemasonry coincidently touches:

1) Rosslyn Chaple in Scotland, said to have Templar and Masonic symbols in it, coincidently, there is actually a statue of shemyaza hanging upside down from the ceiling bond by rope...the same chapel has a etching of a knight initiating a man with an apron on between two pillars. The chapel was built 400 years before the Book of Enoch was discovered and this story known to Europeans or Scottish builders...

2) Arabic and Talmudic legend states that KING SOLOMON (who is a very important character in Freemasonry) rode on a giant Eagle to the Constellation Orion to meet with Azazel to have Azazel (Shemyaza) give him the wisdom of Heaven, which he used to build his TEMPLE. Legend says that Azazel taught King Solomon how to control one of Azazel's Watchers named Asmodeus with water to build his temple for him.

3) Like Shemyaza, we are stripped of all metals, and our clothing removed, we are bound by a rope, and blindfolded...and lead into the the lodge...

4) as we circumabulate around the Altar, which is the Center of the Lodge, and our High Place because we place our 3 Great Light on it a very strange passage is read out of the bible which has nothing to do whatsoever with the craft of building:
"Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! It is like the precious ointment upon the head, that ran down the beard, even Aaron's beard: that WENT DOWN to the skirts of his garments; as the dew of HERMON, and as the dew that DESCENDED upon the mountains of Zion..."
Of all the biblical passages to read to a candidate, a passage that speaks of descending and going down, and Hermon...of all mountains...is read? and what happens after this passage about Mount Hermon is read?

5) like the Watchers that descended on Hermon; we Masons kneel and take an Oath...the same kind of Oath the Watchers took...at the Alter or our High Place...

6) If Shemyaza were cut down, after his eyes were bounded for so many eons, and some one asked him "Having been in a state of Darkness, what do you most desire?" what do you think Azazel would say? the same thing we say when we are asked: "LIGHT."

7) And when the blind fold had been removed what did we behold? Three lights, a Volume of Sacred Law, a Square and Compass...the 3 lesser lights being the 3 stars in Orion's belt...the VSL...dare I say: the one who condemned Azazel for his "crime"...the Square and Compass his place where he was sentenced to spend an eternity: between Heaven and earth...the Square (Gnomon) being a tool used in plane Geometry only, represents the Earth (Geo). The Compass, draws arches...the arch of heaven, circles...heavenly bodies; and is a tool used to measure the degrees between stars and heavenly bodies...the Compass represents Heaven. And the G in between the Square and Compass coincidently also stands for GRIGORY...that is Watcher in Greek.

8) And when we are passed into our Fellowcraft degree what really long and boring lecture do we hear? A long lecture about the SEVEN SACRED ARTS AND SCIENCES... the same thing the Watchers were condemned for teaching mankind.

9) The Masonic Patron Saints are John the Baptist and John the Evangelist (also called John the Divine)... how many of the brethren knew that JOHN in Arabic is YAHYA and that Yahya also means GOAT?

The Square and Compass is placed on the Holy Books for a reason:
These are both tools of measurement. The square represents Moral Law. It is a tool used in plain geometry. The shape of a square symbolizes the earth. This is Natural Law. When an angle is measured by a square and its a perfect 90 degrees the angle is said to be "True and Tested" (Mark Mason Degree). The Compass represents Reason and circumspection.

Both of these tools are placed on the holy writings to admonish the mason to use these tools to Try and Test the book with the Law of nature, reason, and circumspection. What is not square is "untrue" and "not right" angled.


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#6014 - 03/20/08 02:59 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I understand, and this is why I have been careful to state that my words have been "my opinion" and "my understanding". I will, however, say that I have some done reading and some learning in my time too, and my opinions were formed on that.

However, all that aside, I like the fact that you have formed your opinions based on research.

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#7158 - 04/04/08 03:13 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: delusion]
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i have a question on a specific ritual i heard about that the masons practice. is it true one of thier rituals actually uses a the symbol of the baphomet which coincides with what the templars practiced and was murdered for?this same ritual is also known as the stifling air in the satanic rituals are their simularities to these rituals?

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#7159 - 04/04/08 03:43 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Nubeth666]
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That is a very good lesson on this subject,most do not understand the masons,think they are evil people.Little do these people know we built the foundation to the big cities,small towns,everywhere in this country and others.Every society has the secret society,roman catholics equals free-masonry.The church fails to realize it was these underground society's who built them to power,then only to demonize us as wicked or bad people.
All the big wig judges,doctors,lawers around in tenneessee have ties to the masons.The law is enforced by my people in this small town.The judges are really involved.I will not disclose but I know 2personally.We built this country!


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#7160 - 04/04/08 03:46 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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P.s.The typing is the shi##,thank you luciferific!
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#7161 - 04/04/08 03:57 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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I did not see the criticizing above,I dig it!I think you can incorp,magick into science,wicca into freemasons,satanic into church.If it was not for the left-hand there would not be the right,It's all enter-sandman.I do not force people to believe how I do.They can keep there personals to themselves,but face the cold-hard truth,without the left-hand path,the religious right would not have power,vice-versa.right washes left,left washes right.3degrees of power with candle-wicca/pegan rites.
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#7224 - 04/05/08 01:44 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Nubeth666]
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i have a question on a specific ritual i heard about that the masons practice. is it true one of thier rituals actually uses a the symbol of the baphomet which coincides with what the templars practiced and was murdered for?this same ritual is also known as the stifling air in the satanic rituals are their simularities to these rituals?


There are no Baphomets used any where in the Blue Degrees, York Rite degrees, or Scottish Rite degrees.

What you maybe referring to is a star used in the Eastern Star? This star isn't the baphomet, and the Eastern Star is not a part of Freemasonry. In malecraft Masonry it is mostly for women married to or associated with a mason.

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#7977 - 04/19/08 11:59 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Isaak is certainly a mystery wrapped in an enigma.
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#7981 - 04/19/08 12:30 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xutech]
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Isaak is certainly a mystery wrapped in an enigma.

He was interesting. He had a very poetic mindscape... last time i heard from him he said he was going to walk himself to the nearest city to find a Kinkos to put his pix up for me to see him... I hope he's ok.

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#7990 - 04/19/08 07:45 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Ok looking? rofl....sorry...
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#7991 - 04/19/08 07:50 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: 97and107]
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Ok looking? rofl....sorry...



lol. I don't know, he was giving me a one page description of himself, then he said he was going to the nearest city by him because he lived in the boondocks, so he can find someplace to scan his pictures and show me, so i'll know how beautiful he was; because he told me two beautiful people should be together, lol. I think he got lost?

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#8001 - 04/20/08 12:01 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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One night while stationed in Korea, I decided to go out strolling after ingesting a large amount of tequila. I made it about a block away from the barracks, where I had been living for well over 6 months. I got lost. I stumbled around and swore I was miles away from my bed. I ended up sleeping in the ditch. When I awoke, I found out I was probably 100 yards from my barracks. Could this same fate have befallen our fellow wanderer?
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#8002 - 04/20/08 12:49 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: fakepropht]
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One night while stationed in Korea, I decided to go out strolling after ingesting a large amount of tequila. I made it about a block away from the barracks, where I had been living for well over 6 months. I got lost. I stumbled around and swore I was miles away from my bed. I ended up sleeping in the ditch. When I awoke, I found out I was probably 100 yards from my barracks. Could this same fate have befallen our fellow wanderer?


LOL... I thought you were going to tell a cool story of how a Freemason help you find your way home. 100 yard lol. Thats just tequila; Isaak did drugs and shit LOL!

What were you doing in Korea? Protecting that boarder? I heard that stubby nuke-happy Communist Korean is acting up again like a bad case of genital warts, threatening the other Korea total annihilation.

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#8004 - 04/20/08 01:01 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I was supposed to be protecting the border. We were on call 24-7. However, from personal observation, over 50% of the troops were bombed off their asses. I could write a book of my escapades alone. Perhaps times have changed now, given the new world order, but back in the late 80s early 90s, things were pretty calm. So we partied, because there was relatively little else to do.
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#8009 - 04/20/08 03:25 AM Off topic Korea in the late 80's early 90's [Re: fakepropht]
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Perhaps times have changed now, given the new world order, but back in the late 80s early 90s, things were pretty calm. So we partied, because there was relatively little else to do.


Hey, I didn't realise you were in Korea then. That's when I used to live there. I went first in 1988 in October and stayed until May 1989, then I went back in January 1990 and stayed until pretty much the end of that year.

Although we moved around alot (we were dancing caberet in Korean nightclubs), I did at one stage live in Seoul across the road from the Yong San base. There were over 400k of you guys there back then. We were regularly on the bases (omg, we were quite promiscuous young rat bags actually *blush*) and always hanging out at places like Moonnight, drinking jungle juices and teasing on soldiers. I'd hate to think how much Soju I drank in those two yaers.

I also regularly visited Young Il's barracks (we had regular parties there) and Cheju-do's Australian repel teaching base (can't remember the name of that one, but oh the stories)!!!

We should chat about this one day, I will try to bring it up next time we are in the chat room together.

But one thing I do know, it wasn't that hard to sneak into some of these bases. Seriously! Might have been different for asians or blokes, but for sexy young dancing girls, it was a no brainer. LOL

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#8748 - 05/17/08 03:44 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: fakepropht]
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Nah, pretty much the same old flophouse degeneration among the troops. I'm sure the Koreans had a different kind of experience trafficking then though. ;\)
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#9806 - 06/26/08 10:36 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Kon]
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I've been following this discussion with some interest as I am an inactive Master Mason and 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason as well as a self-identified Satanist. For those who are interested, I did run across a resource - there is an "online" lodge (which originally was a "real-world" lodge and encourages the development of real world lodges). They are esoteric in focus and are also Co-Masonic (open to both men and women). I've moved beyond my earlier Masonic interest from my travels on the Left Hand Path but you might find good info there (they offer the Blue Lodge, York and Scottish Rite degrees). Here's the link:

http://esotericmasons.com/

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#9818 - 06/27/08 03:02 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: davesalyers]
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You got all the way through the whole deal and quit practicing by 38?
That's really something.

I sure would love to pick your brain sometime.

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#65407 - 03/13/12 02:59 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: ta2zz]
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I just started to laugh when you started asking about the tiny cars, how old, etc. I live in a Ivy League town in NH. They up until recently held a shriner's parade each summer with those tiny cars.
We have a ton of lodges up here, and never a word.
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#65538 - 03/17/12 05:15 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: riasb]
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Noticing many of the posts in this thread talk about the 32nd degree of the Masonic Temple, with a former 32nd degree even posting, I will make note of a few things in relevance toward this degree. The 32nd degree is the highest degree you can obtain before you reach the final mystery degree of 33rd. 33rd degree Masons are titled Worshipful Masters.
32nd degree Masons are titled Shriners, and yes you technically are enshrined while setting yourself in stone as a Shriner. The latter 4 degrees of the Masonic Temple are 30 through 33 and those who obtain this degree are known as Master Masons.
One of the key parts of the vow of oath men must take while being sworn into being a Shriner contains the statement "Allah is God" - so yes the Masonic Temple is polytheistic. The 33rd degree oath states that "Lucifer is god".
The red hat that Shriners are notorious for wearing are worn in honor of a Holy Day of Islam where over 50,000 Christians were killed and as the Masonic literature reads, "the streets were red running with blood". After the massacre, the Muslims proceeded to wipe their then white hats into the blood and wore the fresh blood red hats upon their heads.
Granted the anti-Christian element is of due respect, keep in Masons more oft than not do not expose their anti-Christian side to the public and the Masonic Temple are strict practitioners of the RHP. That should ease the curiosity of people here studying the Masonic Temple. If anything, study to know your enemy. Masons purposefully mislead Satanists all the time. Not to mention there are certain Lodges that practice Wicca, the least respectful magic practice in all the earth. This world would be much better without Wicca and its hypocrisy.
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#84308 - 01/20/14 09:32 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: LeftHandonFeet]
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32nd degree Scottish Rite are not by default "Shriners". The Shrine is an associated organization to Masonry, and all Shriners are required to be at least 3rd degree Masons, but is not an integral part of the Scottish Rite.

And the bit about the fezzes being dipped in blood to explain why they're red was debunked some time ago.

I say all this as a Master Mason, so it's not just conjecture. ;\)

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#84312 - 01/20/14 09:56 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: ParaBellum]
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Yeah, kind of hard to believe that my Great Grandfather was involved in any blood dipping rites. He was a Shriner until the day he died. It was mostly charitable works and a boys club.
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#84315 - 01/20/14 10:10 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: SIN3]
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That's mainly what it's about. That's ok; boys' clubs serve their purpose. \:\)
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#89008 - 06/07/14 05:20 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: 97and107]
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Don't pay any attention to that. Masonry is condemned by the Catholic Church. You are not supposed to receive communion if you are a practicing Mason. My father was a Mason, and I'll plead the 5th about myself. It's not Christian at all. There are deeply Occultic aspects to it.

In Catholicism, especially if you seek out religious Orders...don't tell them you are a Mason..you'll never get in. There is suspicion that certain Popes and other members of Clergy were and are Masons. Can't prove it. For Laity, if you go to Lodge, you are forbidden from the catholic Sacraments. Jesus Christ is definitely NOT glorified in the Masonic Lodge. You must believe in a Supreme Being. That is the rule. But, as I see it - - you could never reconcile Masonry with Christianity, especially Catholicism. That idea of being saved by mercy and grace is non-existent in Masonry. You do not require it, but in Christianity, you do.

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#89015 - 06/07/14 06:16 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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For Laity, if you go to Lodge, you are forbidden from the catholic Sacraments.


How can you be forbidden from the Sacraments? You simply approach an altar, receive a communion and come back to your pew. The same with a confession. The priest only knows those "sins" that you tell him. It all comes down to your conscience, unless you trust other people's words more than your own gut.


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Jesus Christ is definitely NOT glorified in the Masonic Lodge.


No god is glorified in the Masonic Lodge.

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Bullshit. There are many Christians in Freemasonry, including Catholics, especially in traditional lodges.
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#89016 - 06/07/14 06:33 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Czereda]
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You're forbidden from the sacraments sayeth the Catholic Church. You don't have to obey that. No one will know if you do or not. I'd point you to some of the prayers to St. Michael the Archangel, to see what the orthodox view on Masonry is. They renounce the trowel and the hoodwink.

No God is glorified in the Masonic Lodge. This is why it is not Christian.

It does not matter if there are professed Christians in Masonry or not. I am sure there are. But there is no way to reconcile the two. As you stated, no God is glorified in the Masonic Lodge. Exactly. Do you think that might present a problem to a Christian? If he is a Christian, there is definitely a problem. There are oaths also, which the Mason takes, which violate the New Testament. Very clearly. Directly.

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#89018 - 06/07/14 07:45 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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As you stated, no God is glorified in the Masonic Lodge. Exactly. Do you think that might present a problem to a Christian? If he is a Christian, there is definitely a problem.


I don't see a problem here. Freemasonry is not a religion, it's not a church or any place of worship. The Supreme Being stands for the God each individual Freemason believes. For a Christian or a Jew it will be Jahveh, for a Muslim it will be Allah, for a deist it will be simply a divine creator of the Universe. If I remember correctly, the traditional Freemasonry doesn't accept Atheists, unless they keep their mouths shut about their Atheism. Anyway, the Supreme Being is a not some separate deity.

Modern liberal Freemasonry (this of the French origin) rejects the idea of the Supreme Being. It's more Atheistic and less conservative, hence the higher number of Atheists there. They make oaths not on the Holy Bible, Quran or Torah, but on the empty white book. It means that your religion or lack of it is your own business.

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There are oaths also, which the Mason takes, which violate the New Testament. Very clearly. Directly.


How exactly do they violate the New Testament? Could you be more specific? Do you mean these silly bloody punishments? They are purely symbolic.
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#89020 - 06/07/14 08:02 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Czereda]
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If I remember correctly, the traditional Freemasonry doesn't accept Atheists


*I know this ain't directed at me - but the whole "higher power thing" comes up a lot... just accept that there's more to know -
"[That] there are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy"

That the trapezoid has no apex. The approach is always asymptotic from whatever angle.

The atheistic implies "this is all there is" and while all evidence suggests that it is true... it doesn't leave you with much to "build" upon.

I almost think the real issue is not so much that you think there's a higher power - but that you stop thinking that there's a better way. "It's good enough; leave the pyramid unfinished - no real 'point' to it anyway" who'd want to work with such types?



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#89021 - 06/07/14 08:13 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: antikarmatomic]
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You're asked. During the first degree, you are asked outright about the belief in a Supreme Being. You better answer in the affirmative. If you do not answer in the affirmative, you will not be a Mason. You have to believe in a Supreme Being. Believe me. I have no reason to lie to you.

In Freemasonry, you are blindfolded. One of the things that are asked of you, is your belief in God. Whoever you deem that to be. You must say yes. Or you will not be admitted into the Masonic Lodge.

You have the blue lodge, which are the first three degrees. Past there, it is all up to you. Those first three degrees, are the base of the Lodge. You will be given a "coach", and he helps you memorize the things. Then, you do what you have to do.

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#89022 - 06/07/14 08:18 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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I believe ya' sounds severe. I believe in an asymptotic better purpose! That any notion of a "supreme being" is nothing more than an archetype for what we could become. That end we never reach - that it doesn't' exist! it's that myth you have to believe in - that carrot you have to chase - That it's just a model for what we could accomplish if we stop throwing stones at each other and start using them to build something awesome.

Maybe I'm just not Mason material \:\/


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#89023 - 06/07/14 08:36 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: antikarmatomic]
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It's not severe. You survive it. You have to go through it. I can't tell you what goes on inside the Masonic Lodge. You will learn what "Third base" means haha. You might get knocked on your ass, but that is part of it. Then, you might play third base and get to knock someone yourself. It's not brutal, but it is for real. And you have guys in the Lodge which are magicians. I know a guy in the OTO who is one. They are there.
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#89025 - 06/07/14 09:05 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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Well that shit just plain weirds me out... I'm perfectly comfy with how I see the universe - in fact I'm pretty on-point.

Maybe their "secrets" amount to things I already take as "no brainers" - what if I "attain 32rd degree" and learn that it's all stuff I kinda figured anyway?

That the great secret is simply that there is no great secret? That the first rule is that there is no first rule?

One person's intuition is another's initiation.





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#89027 - 06/07/14 09:14 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: antikarmatomic]
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You're right. There is not much you come out with. The strength of your will, isn't increased. You don't become more powerful.
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#89029 - 06/07/14 09:25 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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Well, joining a pool league doesn't make a me a better person. I'm not looking to shit on pool players - but if I already have a my own table in my basement that I already fuck around with for the fuck of it... well... that's where it gets weird.

I figure the only advantage is making business connections - I'm not just shooting' pool by myself in my basement, I get to meet people who know other people. Networking with a dash of frat-boy pageantry. I get it \:\)





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#89064 - 06/08/14 09:28 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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 I can't tell you what goes on inside the Masonic Lodge


Why not?

Quick question... If you're a Satanic Monk "leaning toward theist" with ties to OTO, *AND* Prince of Peace Abbey in Oceanside, CA, how could you witness anything you cannot speak of in mixed company? It's pretty much all out there what Masons do. Have they adopted a no child left behind policy?

Also, you really need to pick a "secret society" and stick with it.

As far as what goes on inside a Masonic lodge...

This...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_ZI_aEalijE#



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#89066 - 06/08/14 09:55 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Why not?


Because he doesn't know. He's telling stories. Sure, there is a lot of information about Freemasonry, OTO or Golden Dawn online, which anybody can read and pretend he is in the know. However, going into details is risky. Someone more knowledgeable than you can call you out on your bullshit.
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#89175 - 06/09/14 11:07 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Czereda]
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Because he doesn't know. He's telling stories.


I've dated my fair share of Masons, he may just be oath bound.

One thing I have experienced is inconsistency when it deals with the Eastern Stars. I've been told by many a Mason that they don't recruit. Yet, I've had Masons acting as recruiters approach me for the Eastern Stars on several occasions. Not my cup of tea. I'm perfectly fine with acting as Scarlet Woman ;\) No need to sign up.

What say you? Do Masons recruit?
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#89177 - 06/09/14 11:29 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: SIN3]
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I know your fucking around, but I am going to have to lean toward full of shit. Though the "Black Monks" of The Prince of Peace Benedictine Monastery might prove me wrong.

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What say you? Do Masons recruit?


Yes, in a non direct way. Something along the lines of, "interested in joining, ask a Mason."

I also know from my sister's in laws they have the whole "legacy" thing going on. Passed on to subsequent generations, and "brought into the fold", sort of like Skull and Bones.

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#89179 - 06/09/14 11:43 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: CanisMachina42]
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No God is glorified in the Masonic Lodge. This is why it is not Christian.


I also find this to be accurate. There's only so much a Mason will reveal about the day-to-day, even during pillow talk. I have learned however that it's only important to recognize a being above yourself. No particular 'god' is glorified. You don't even have to disclose what you pick, even if only in metaphor. It's just important that you don't openly state that it's just a metaphor.

The oaths are also important. Especially if you want to take full advantage of the Fraternal Order perks.

So, I wouldn't say that it's bullshit per se just that the information openly shared with friends/family isn't oath-bound secrets and junk.

It's sort of the whole point of a brotherhood. You're bound by a circle of trust.

There's also a reason why it doesn't cater to the lower economic class.

Just sayin'
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#89181 - 06/09/14 12:15 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: SIN3]
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Agreed, it's factually sound. So, putting my own disbelief aside for a second, here is a sensationalized "hidden camera" recording of an initiation ritual in Turkey. The title makes me chuckle.

Still, I see a run of the mill ceremony with the same rituals and theatrics that you would expect from a fraternal organization.

Note* it seems the initiates societal standing is of particular importance. "Elite" works.

I have no way to authenticate it or not, but it seems legit. It fits with what I have heard and read. If it's bs, still worth the view.

The second part is anyone's guess...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=0t-OvHiHU8k#

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#89183 - 06/09/14 12:27 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I've seen a bunch of these expose videos. A lot of the ritual & pomp appears to be a mechanism for conditioning behavior vs. any real Occult significance.

The Masons of South Africa for example, their 'orders' are pretty whacky. I consider it part of the cultural landscape. The locals refer to them as Luciferians. The 'Supreme Being' of their choosing, tends to be Lucifer for the knowledge & enlightenment aspect of the archetype.

About 8 years ago, some 32nd degree (allegedly) erected a website dedicated to me as the 'Red Bitch' using nudes jacked from my old sexxxmagic site. It became a virtual shrine to all things profane and perverse. The point is, people can get their minds jacked from reading the public info vs. just joining an order to see what's what.

The last guy I dated, his order seemed to be mostly focused on charitable works, education and kicking a local community up a notch. They seemed pretty dedicated and it reaped some results. So all the power to them, I say. The order was dominated by Blacks, so they were setting the standard for young black men. You know, the whole 'knowledge is power' trip vs. selling drugs and living on welfare.

RE.: Video. You use the iframe code. I believe you are limited to the video discussion forum, otherwise it will just show up as a link.

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#89290 - 06/10/14 08:53 PM Re: Freemasons [Re: SIN3]
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The Masonic Lodge isn't what it was. Now, anyone can pretty much get in. They ask for references, you can be black, and getting worldly power because of joining won't happen. When my dad joined in the 60's, it was different. The thing that stayed the same is that you can't own a bar and become a Mason. That's at least what I was told in 2010, which was the last year I went to Lodge. If you look back at "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike, he said that if blacks were ever admitted into the Lodge, he'd leave Masonry. It's all changed now. It's good that it did. I would have never excluded anyone, unless they were assholes.

After the first three degrees, they'll want you to join the Shrine. Playboy club. Go to Vegas, get hookers. They party. Good for them. I wasn't interested. It's not that I mind debauchery.
I just didn't feel like partying with them.

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#89323 - 06/11/14 01:37 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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"After the first three degrees, they'll want you to join the Shrine. Playboy club. Go to Vegas, get hookers. They party. Good for them. I wasn't interested. It's not that I mind debauchery.
I just didn't feel like partying with them."


Are you fucking kidding me.
Being a Mason doesn't get you into the playboy club.

Anyone can go to Vegas and get hookers.

Yes, they have parties, fund raisers, dinners, meetings, and outing.

No, anyone can't just get in.
There are still requirements and etc...

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#89336 - 06/11/14 09:59 AM Re: Freemasons [Re: Xaziel]
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The thing that stayed the same is that you can't own a bar and become a Mason. That's at least what I was told in 2010, which was the last year I went to Lodge.


What was the reasoning behind it? I would think they would include such enterprise.
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