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#16593 - 12/20/08 04:05 PM Satanism vs. Nazism
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I have noticed something since joining this forum. It seems there is a close line between Satanism and neo-Nazism. Just curious to others thoughts on this.

The thought that we are a superior breed of people compared to the rest of the world is in close resemblance to Nazis' being superior to other races. The fact that in the topics of race many people here believe whites are the superior race.

There are even a few ideas expressed by LaVey, and all satanist, that are almost a direct quote from Hitlers' Mien Kampf. Such as responsibility to the responsible.

I'm not saying Satanist are Nazis', but does anyone see a similarity? Thoughts on that?

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#16595 - 12/20/08 05:17 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Butterz]
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It's a personal line, I think based more on individual thought.

From what I know and have experienced, Satanists come in all shapes and sizes and races. Hell, one of my favorite tattoo artists is a Israelie Satanist. He was born there, and his family still lives there. I think he's like 6'5". He's very cool, smart, and talented.

I believe that the individual Satanist (whatever name you want to fill in) should aspire to more. To be at least better than the crowd in some way.

I dont think any race is superior to any other. I have seen people do stupid, mean things, and race doesn't matter.

Idiots are Idiots.

Okay, sure. I've read the book (Mein Kampf), toss in Nietzsche, and Ragnar, ONA stuff, and etc. All a book does is give YOU information. What YOU choose to do with the information, and how YOU choose to interprete it, is up to YOU.

No one should be limited in their search for knowledge, no matter how fucked up or taboo the author is.

Besides, I thought the KKK & Nazis were mainly all of the Xitan outlook.

From a historical perspective, they did accomplish some goals, and I still believe that if he didn't wage a 2 front war, most of the world would be speaking German. That and as in another post, I do like the uniforms.

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#16602 - 12/21/08 04:53 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Butterz]
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With all due respect Butterz, I don’t think you are qualified to properly define either Nazism or Satanism. In order to compare the two you would need to understand both, and if you notice such a correlation, you clearly do not. At all.
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#16803 - 12/24/08 01:27 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Bacchae]
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The only similarity they share is a sort of elitism, yes, but then again name one group that DOESN'T think they're better than everybody else.

Other than that, they're almost opposites.

Satanism = Empowerment and Deification of the Individual Will... thinking for yourself/personal freedom.
Nazism = Submission of the individual will to that of the state (or more often, the dictator ruling it) ...massmind/herd mentality.

I'd go so far as to say that Nazism has more in common with Christianity and other monotheistic religions.
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#16807 - 12/24/08 02:10 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: The Zebu]
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Waaaaaaaay wrong butters. First, the nazis were ALL wrapped up in superstitions. I will not go into detail as it would take all fuckin' night. Look it up. Satanists are a bit more realistic than that. You are talking black and white here, as far as that is concerned. Do you really have any idea how many served in that uniform out of cowardice and fear? I mean really? Do I need to go on?



-That goes for any other uniform for that matter.


Edited by blsk (12/24/08 02:11 AM)
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#16827 - 12/24/08 09:24 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: blsk]
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Many people act as if Nazis suddenly appeared in the 30ies. It goes further back than the NSDAP, partly to a period right after losing the first war and a lot of elements even further back. The problem with most people is that they only know the conquered Nazi, the one depicted in the victor's multimedia propaganda. It's as if every uniform wearer is or was a rolemodel for nazism, or a monster to haunt the kids into embracing the victor's superb and unquestionable political religion.

Do I think nazism and Satanism is compatible? It's a silly question because nazism was a tool. Tools are always compatible.

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#17084 - 12/28/08 03:35 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Butterz]
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Years ago I became acquainted with a neo-Nazi type determined to convince me that Satanism and Nazism were one in the same. He spouted propaganda, statistics, pseudo-science and to the young and untrained ear it might have actually been a compelling argument. But of course you were only hearing one side of the story. Statistically, crimes are committed more against people of the same race (a black person robbing a black person) than they are committed interracially, but to listen to this guy speak you would think that there was some huge epidemic of white people being attacked by non-whites. Lies and propaganda. He’d talk about how unnatural it is to mate with a person of a different race, polluting the gene pool, genetic impurity, etc. In reality scientific studies have actually proven that interracial mating has numerous benefits, one of which is adaptation to fight disease.

Nazism is about blind hatred for anyone that happens to look different than you. It takes nothing into account when it comes to the person’s character. Satanism is the exact opposite in believing that a person’s character is the only thing that truly counts. Hitler did not care about “responsibility to the responsible,” he was an incestuous and impotent control freak who cared about domination and absolute power. There was nothing responsible about his actions. He acted out of the need for self-gratification without any concern for who got hurt in the process. Satanists may be a self-gratifying bunch, but not in such a warped and irresponsible manner. There may be an air of superiority in the minds of Satanists, but that has to do with intellect and reason and not some perversion that would suggest everyone around them should be made to blindly submit and experience absolute humiliation, followed by slaughter.

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#17089 - 12/28/08 05:20 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Succubus666]
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I don't think there is something like a Nazi philosophy. Nazism was a means to power and in that not different from any political movement. You tune in with the talk of times, use propaganda, populism and if you play the game well, you come to power. We act as if Nazism invented all the bad stuff of the previous century but everything was already there. If you start to trace it all back, through the Thule society, Germanenorden and such, it becomes plain obvious Nazis didn't invent as much as they were subject to. It's a gradual process and to a degree can be seen as the work of other people than Hitler himself. You can look at Hitler and see him as a puppet, follow the strings and you might find out the will behind it. Even if you don't like to look at it in that manner, you can't see it as a philosophy and the word Nazism is nothing but a hollow word, given power by the conquerer to serve his use.

To a degree it's the black sheep we condemn for the sins of all.

Like I said, I find the Satanism-nazism comparison silly, it's like asking if a painter is compatible with a broom. If it fits, of course he can use the broom but it's always the painter that has the choice, the broom doesn't have much say in it. You use it when it is handy, you drop it when not.

Personally I don't think the neo-Nazis really understand things. If they really grasped that it was only a means to power, they wouldn't walk around dressed up like little stormtroopers hailing HH and painting swastikas and 18 or 88 on their chest. No, they would wear suits, talk the talk of these days and smooth themselves into power. They're not a clever bunch at all, so if you'll find satanists in their circles, they either have a purpose and exploit it, or they aren't of the clever kind, which says a lot also.

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#17123 - 12/29/08 03:36 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Diavolo]
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Yeah, but not to "defend" Hitler... but he did bring a great sense of (albeit warped) "Nationality" to Germany. And I'm not going to go any further with that, because there are many of you out there that know a hell of a lot more than I do regarding this.

Otherwise, the acts, and consequences of those acts, helped shape the world we live in today - good or bad.
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#17548 - 01/03/09 10:59 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: daevid777]
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I'm a Satanist, and I identify with all of you that profess Satanism whether you like it or not. But, I felt a sense to respond for the 'scapegoats' that died at the malicious hands of the Nazi's. {I'm not associated with anyone that was caught in that predictament(to put it lightly).} Morally speaking, I don't know how such atrocities could be committed on another human being. The 'scapegoats' were war-torn, tired people that knew what they would confront when they were sent to a concentration camp, death. The Nazi's employed starvation all the way to placing the -goats in gas chambers as a means of tactics which, undoubtably, breaks the boundaries of mental health.

If there is a Hell (I like the term alter-universe), and I believe in one, the short guy with the dark brown hair and the cut-off mustache is suffering in it.
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#17550 - 01/03/09 11:11 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: paolo sette]
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 Quote:

If there is a Hell (I like the term alter-universe), and I believe in one

That is christian mythology. If you believe that you are a heretical christian.
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I'm a Satanist,

No, you aren't.
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#17551 - 01/03/09 11:23 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: blsk]
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 Originally Posted By: blsk
Waaaaaaaay wrong butters. First, the nazis were ALL wrapped up in superstitions. I will not go into detail as it would take all fuckin' night. Look it up. Satanists are a bit more realistic than that. You are talking black and white here, as far as that is concerned. Do you really have any idea how many served in that uniform out of cowardice and fear? I mean really? Do I need to go on?



-That goes for any other uniform for that matter.



Unless you can back those statements up, I'm throwing a bullshit flag right here.

In other words, yes. You need to go on. You need to back up what you're saying instead of just spouting unsubstantiated OPINIONS at us.


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#17556 - 01/04/09 06:09 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Opinions? Not seeing opinions here. This ain't fucking history class. If you don't believe something being presented as fact - go look it up. Look up Nazis on Wikipedia or something. Don't be just charging in here thinking you're a badass and throwing gratuitous bullshit flags.
Nazis WERE all into superstition, and they DID lead by fear (among other brilliant societal mindfucks). If you don't know that much about Nazis, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and your bullshit flag shows YOU to be the fool. blsk isn't responsible for educating you on something that's pretty basic knowledge if you've studied history AT ALL.
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#17558 - 01/04/09 07:23 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Picunnus]
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Awwwh crap... here it comes...

(I thought this was locked?) speaking to myself again, not a good sign.

Go on, I think I'll close my eyes for a bit. I'm afraid... I guess that makes me a Nazi...
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#17559 - 01/04/09 08:50 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: daevid777]
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Satanism can refer to a number of belief systems depending on the user and context. The word, in basic context, can refer to the worship of the Christian devil, thus being a Christian denomination, the Occult/Ritual Magic, and the left hand path belief system founded by Anton LaVey. It is often the practice of any given Satanist not to refer to themselves with a hyphenated prefix. Each "type" of Satanist will usually refer to themselves only as Satanists. -Reference.com

Nazism, which was a short name for National Socialism (Nationalsozialismus), refers primarily to the ideology and practices of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party under Adolf Hitler; and the policies adopted by the government of Nazi Germany from 1933 to 1945, a period also known as the Third Reich. The official name of the party was Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP) — “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”. The Nazis were one of several historical groups that used the term National Socialism to describe themselves, and in the 1920s they became the largest such group. Nazism is sometimes considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both political wings, it formed most of its alliances on the political right.. Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism, anti-communism, and totalitarianism.
-Reference.com


Obvious differences. Simply read.....*mumbles* Dumb asses.

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