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#17560 - 01/04/09 09:26 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: HypnotizedHill]
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As has already been mentioned, most self proclaimed 'satanist' do not know enough about Satanism or Nazism to even begin to compare and contrast the two.

However, you will find quite a few devotes of the LHP who do share some Nazi sensibilities, ONA and Boyd Rice come immediately to mind.

It has been my experience that when a practitioner seems squeamish or repulsed by Nazi methodology, they often are harboring a lot of White Light Secular Humanist sentiments.

Now, if I may, I would like to throw a little fuel on this fire. Agree or disagree:

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

Or if you prefer the original text:

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility."



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#17564 - 01/04/09 12:02 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Fist]
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"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

Just to play devils advocate here for a minute, why must we?

I could answer this myself, as I this is a statement I agree with, but I'd like to hear why you believe this. Not for the reasons given in the 'original text' I hope.
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#17566 - 01/04/09 12:27 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Fist]
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I'll disagree, as expected.

There are no our people in my view, even when using it in arguments about philosophy or culture, my identification with our is only at an abstract level. I live a life based upon tolerance but not in the philanthropic sense. In reality I am a fortified isle in a societal ocean. I have as much compassion for other people, including children, as I have for cockroaches. I think I prefer animals more than people, if not only for their disability to communicate to me, their incapability to show the shallowness of their being. A sentence like "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." feels overly idealistic to me, as if anyone included in our and white suddenly contains all the required parameters to feel worthy to me. They aren't and the whole idea of an artificial interruption to make sure no man, woman or child is left behind, as long as they are parametrically correct is, in my opinion, bordering mediocre stagnancy so heavily, it is disgusting.

I live in a society where dumbness is outbreeding smartness. I'll adapt. Brown might be outbreeding white. I'll adapt. Climate might change the environment. I'll adapt. Detonate an EMP at the right location and throw us back into the stone age. I'll adapt. No matter what happens, I'll adapt and I'll survive and I'll do my thing. And at no point I feel the need to pave the path for those not being able to pave it themselves. At no point I feel inclined to help those not being able to help themselves. If I can adapt and survive, all that are worthy can and those not able; collateral damage of historical events. Even if I end up being collateral damage, I could care less; après moi le déluge.

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#17568 - 01/04/09 01:11 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Diavolo]
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"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility."

To hell with "our" race and "our" people. The only thing I'd safeguard is my own existence and my own reproductive genes.
Only those things I'll safeguard. To hell with others. Whatever may come across my way, I'll adapt and learn to kick possible future obstacles out of my way if it may ever occur.
Only thing I hate about safeguarding my own future are the other people who always try to jump on the wagon or get their slice by secondary pathways.

Really, such things are proof of the weakening of our very own individualistic thinking and being.
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#17571 - 01/04/09 02:27 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Dimitri]
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Hitler was a fan of the occult. He had astrologists on his payroll whom he contracted to determine what would be the right days for certain courses of action in the war based on planetary alignment etc.. Aside from that, I think most members of the National Socialist Party were Christians. There really was no room for free thinking individuals in that party.

In consideration of the neo-nazi movement that exists today I can see how the two might seem like they could work together. Both have an underlying elitist mentality, but that is where I think the similarities end. As has already been stated by a few different people; one involves mass herd conformity the other, the complete opposite.

As far as the "14 words" are concerned, I agree with Diavlo: "at no point I feel the need to pave the path for those not being able to pave it themselves. At no point I feel inclined to help those not being able to help themselves." I am also in full agreement with this statement as well: " I live a life based upon tolerance but not in the philanthropic sense. In reality I am a fortified isle in a societal ocean. I have as much compassion for other people, including children, as I have for cockroaches. I think I prefer animals more than people, if not only for their disability to communicate to me, their incapability to show the shallowness of their being."
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#17591 - 01/04/09 08:23 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Why are white people so special? Why be proud of being white? How can you possibly be proud for something that you didn't earn? Your parents just so happened to not have melanin in their skin, big deal. Even if your nationality has made priceless contributions to world culture and history, that doesn't change the fact that you're still a dumbass.

I'll be blunt here- why the fuck would anyone give a shit about one single "race", especially the "white race"? As Ayn Rand once said...

Even if it were proved -- which it is not -- that the incidence of men of potentially superior brain power is greater among the members of certain races than among the members of others, it would still tell us nothing about any given individual and it would be irrelevant to one's judgment of him. A genius is a genius, regardless of the number of morons who belong to the same race -- and a moron is a moron, regardless of the number of geniuses who share his racial origin. It is hard to say which is the more outrageous injustice: the claim of Southern racists that a Negro genius should be treated as inferior because his race has "produced" some brutes -- or the claim of a German brute to the status of a superior because his race has "produced" Goethe, Schiller and Brahms.

If we lived in a truly eugenic society, we'd breed all the smartest people of all ethnicities together into a "true" master race... and this would consist of mostly Asians! (in addition to the geniuses of the White, Middle Eastern, African, and Latino stock)

Consequently, this new "master race" would be a giant mixed-race melting pot, but even though it would be the most genetically advantageous, the white supremacists would hate it simply because it's not white.

Then they act like the white race must be preserved for its' own sake, like we're some endangered species. Why the fuck does that matter? Who cares if we all evolve into squinty-eyed niggers? You may think it's unattractive, but by then, the squinty-eyed nigger look will be hot stuff.

"Racial pride" is just another useless sacred cow like "sanctity". And like all other sacred cows, it deserves no lother fate than to be excised and destroyed.
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#17595 - 01/04/09 09:18 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: The Zebu]
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Why be proud of being white? How can you possibly be proud for something that you didn't earn?

That is a song I have been singing for years. You can not possibly feel any genuine sense of 'pride' in something you had no hand in accomplishing yourself. 'white pride'/'black pride'/'hispanic pride' is all bullshit that the worthless can feel good about something.

But on the flip side pretending that we are all the same species of human is naive. There are marked, quantifiable differences that go way beyond skin color. Of course, we are all expected to pretend as if it were otherwise, but fuck what society expects us to think.
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#17596 - 01/04/09 09:23 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread

But on the flip side pretending that we are all the same species of human is naive.


Homo sapiens,not?
But of different races...
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#17599 - 01/04/09 09:45 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Woland]
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Well sure. Just as all dogs fall under the genealogical classification of 'Canis lupus familiaris', all humans fall under the classification of 'Homo sapiens sapiens'.

It remains that a pitbull and a poodle are not the same dog.
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#17601 - 01/04/09 09:53 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
It remains that a pitbull and a poodle are not the same dog.


In a sense correct.
They are individuals...
Of the same species.
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#17602 - 01/04/09 09:55 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Woland]
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Oh come on now. Are you really going to sit on that perch way up there?

I'm not even going to bother.
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#17604 - 01/04/09 10:05 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Oh come on now. Are you really going to sit on that perch way up there?

I'm not even going to bother.


I would like to point out that I origin from a long & proud lineage of dedicated pillar-saints!



 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
There are marked, quantifiable differences that go way beyond skin color.


Was kinda wondering about this one.
Care to be more specific?
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#17606 - 01/04/09 10:46 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Woland]
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Well, certainly. We have things such as physical characteristics, average size, build, mannerisms and aptitudes. We also have things such as measurable and statistically proven differences in academic performance and IQ.

Unless you don't believe in evolution, I am just talking about the logical endgame to having followed different evolutionary paths in the last 10,000 years or so. After all, the earth has many diverse climates and environments which supported humans during all that time. It would be a bit odd if there wasn't any diversity, wouldn't you think?
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#17607 - 01/04/09 11:08 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Theoretically, there is always a possibility of a race-intelligence correlation. But how much bearing this has in practice is debatable.

It boils down to the nature-nurture question. There are many sensitive issues present in our society, such as the blaringly uncomfortable fact that most incarcerated criminals are black.

Now is this because there is something inherent in African genealogy that drives them to criminal behavior? Or is it because their are problems in their culture and upbringing? The latter seems a likely answer, but before we jump to the conclusion that such societal problems are the symptom of "inferior" genes, consider that Africans of other upbringings and cultures (Direct African/Caribbean immigrants, African-Europeans, etc) do not show the same trends.

If there are any differences in "racial intelligence disposition"- which has not been proven- then they are too negligibly small to be of any significance.

I'm gonna be honest here, it kinda seems like a pointless debate... unless some fags from Stormfront or JoS show up in this thread.


Edited by The Zebu (01/04/09 11:09 PM)
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#17611 - 01/05/09 12:20 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: The Zebu]
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friendly admin reminder: this thread is going off topic.

what is it with racial issues that gets everyone so worked up around here?
funny.

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