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#17616 - 01/05/09 02:19 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Bacchae]
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 Originally Posted By: Bacchae
friendly admin reminder: this thread is going off topic.

what is it with racial issues that gets everyone so worked up around here?
funny.


Well; I see racism as a key element in Nazism.
I also see it as contrary to Satanism as I understand it.
I will continue to adress the question until the ruler is brought out of the drawer and unleashed upon my lilywhite bottom.

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#17618 - 01/05/09 03:28 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Woland]
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How can you say Nazi's follow the herd and Satanist don't? Now I know that statement is gonna piss people off, but I have a point. Satanist are supposed to be individuals on our own path, right? But the general rules or basis of what Satanism is has already been established and accepted. So really it's just another herd. We're all on basically the same path just different mile markers.

Both groups believe they are elite. Both groups have "icons" and followers. It's obvious there are differences. Also there are many similarities as far as structure and organization go. Both groups have the "gun ho" this is my life type of people, and the wanderers whom just go through it like a fad or trend. Both parties have a strong disgust for the people who don't think they same way. The similarities are even stronger with the current neo-nazi. Both groups agree, for the most part, on issues like border patrol, ideal governments, foreign policies, and so on.

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#17619 - 01/05/09 03:34 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Picunnus]
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 Originally Posted By: Picunnus
Opinions? Not seeing opinions here. This ain't fucking history class. If you don't believe something being presented as fact - go look it up. Look up Nazis on Wikipedia or something. Don't be just charging in here thinking you're a badass and throwing gratuitous bullshit flags.
Nazis WERE all into superstition, and they DID lead by fear (among other brilliant societal mindfucks). If you don't know that much about Nazis, you don't know what the hell you're talking about, and your bullshit flag shows YOU to be the fool. blsk isn't responsible for educating you on something that's pretty basic knowledge if you've studied history AT ALL.


Don't be stupid. I can sit here and tell you that Nazis were into natural health remedies but it doesn't mean shit if I cannot back it up. You're right, it's not history class, but it is a forum that prides itself on INTELLIGENT conversation. If you cannot back up your claims, your claims don't count. It's as simple as that.

And I don't have to look it up. He is the one making the claim (and now you, too) so one of YOU have to look it up and YOU have to give me the references. It's your job to defend your statements, not my job to figure out what in the hell you are saying and then figure out which defense you are using and then argue the point I think you are trying to make.

You and the other one say that Nazis led by fear. Okay, prove it. You say they were superstitious, what specifically were they superstitious about? If you can't back up what you claim (and so far, neither of you have) then, yes, it's bullshit.

I have yet to see either one of you give me an example.

And if you want to believe that I know nothing about Nazis and racism, fine by me. Get off your lazy ass and state an example and I'll be more than happy to give you ten (more) examples of how you are both morons.

If you want to make a claim of any kind, YOU ARE responsible for educating.

Rabbit meat tastes good.
I give the best blowjobs EVER.
Hitler often gave to charities.
You can clean bloodstains off your walls with white vinegar and laundry detergent.

I'm not going to go into detail about all of those statements because it would take all night. If you don't know that these are all facts, you need to go look them up.

You see how that works?

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#17622 - 01/05/09 04:36 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel

Rabbit meat tastes good.
I give the best blowjobs EVER.
Hitler often gave to charities.
You can clean bloodstains off your walls with white vinegar and laundry detergent.

I'm not going to go into detail about all of those statements because it would take all night.


I have time. really. go ahead.


Ok. While im waiting, Iíll jump back to the original topic. Nazism was a political movement, a tool as another poster said. National socialism, or what Nazism has evolved into today, is not the same as good old socialism, and neither of those are exactly conducive to Satanism per say.
That said, they are not diametrically opposed either, because a Real Satanist is an individual that is able to blend, survive, and succeed. You could be a Satanist in prison, or in church camp, or in a cubicle at a boring job, or under an oppressive regime.

Too often Nazis are considered simple jew haters led by a madman. Let us not forget the entire concept of blood and soil, or the desperate need of a people to rebuild a destroyed nation that was essentially a punching bag for a few years.
Pre WWII german economy was not even comparable to todays worldwide credit crisis..

Regardless, I am thinking the thread starter here was not so much asking about Nazism or fascism as a viable system for satanic livelihood as much as he is wondering about groups like ONA.. or perhaps a few longhairs with corpsepaint that draw swastikas on their amplifiers.

As I said in the very beginning, thereís no connection. Thereís misanthropes and Satanists and racists, and sometimes they all meet in the middle and form sad hateful people that live in their parents basements.

There is also gay satanic groups. That doesnít make all Satanists latently homosexual. Just a few on this board.

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#17623 - 01/05/09 04:39 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel

Rabbit meat tastes good.
I give the best blowjobs EVER.
Hitler often gave to charities.
You can clean bloodstains off your walls with white vinegar and laundry detergent.


Dear ceruleansteel.
I have just come to realize that I love you, that I always have loved you, and that I will love you for ever, and ever, and ever...
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#17624 - 01/05/09 04:54 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Butterz]
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 Originally Posted By: Butterz
How can you say Nazi's follow the herd and Satanist don't?


Excuse me?

 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Satanist are supposed to be individuals on our own path, right? But the general rules or basis of what satanism is has already been established and accepted. So really it's just another herd. We're all on basically the same path just different mile markers.


We are most definitely not.
To quote the poet:

I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members.

 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Both groups believe they are elite.


Most groups believe they are "elite".

 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Both groups have "icons" and followers.


So does any half-decent football team.

 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Also there are many similarities as far as structure and organization go.


Really? You mean like in a group of people?
Wow...

Secret handshakes?
Funny hats?


 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Both groups have the "gun ho" this is my life type of people, and the wanderers whom just go through it like a fad or trend.


So does "The Yankees".
("Gung Ho", young man.)

 Originally Posted By: Butterz
The similarities are even stronger with the current neo-nazi. Both groups agree, for the most part, on issues like border patrol, ideal governments, foreign policies, and so on.


Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups.
Stupidity is contagious.

Go forth...
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#17637 - 01/05/09 11:42 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Woland]
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"Assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups."

Yes it is and it happens all the time, tiny worlds are created in the mind and are further justified by all the mechanics of the self preservation instinct. When steaming something in a pressure cooker, make sure the steam release valve moves freely and easily, otherwise it might explode causing serious burns, tiny sacs of flesh filled with corrective salinic fluids.

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#18933 - 01/25/09 10:56 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Cody]
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Based on my observations and - mostly undeveloped - thoughts, I would say that Satanism is not Nazism, but there is certainly a correspondence between Satanists and racism and fascist tendencies, especially in comparison to other occult orders.

Edited by H.setesh (01/25/09 10:59 PM)

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#18935 - 01/25/09 11:20 PM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: H.setesh]
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I guess it depends how you categorize 'race'. Satanists are not bound by the sacred cows we are handed and should be generally impervious to being browbeaten into accepting certain premises.

A lot of Satanist then would admit that racial differences go a little deeper than superficial.

But 'racial superiority' goes against the core idea of Satanism, which is about individual superiority. The herd comes in all colors. So do Satanists.
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#18953 - 01/26/09 01:39 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Dan maybe you should re-read your post in the Ebonible thread. You know where you say that other races aren't capable of thinking on the same level as whites. Something to do with genetics. I think everyone would agree intelligence is a large part of Satanism, so how could other "colors" really be satanist if there not that smart.
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#18961 - 01/26/09 06:32 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Butterz]
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I personally am bigoted against stupidity and don't care at all about race. President 43 was a stupid white man and I would have cheered if someone had shoved him into a gas chamber. President 44 is a smart black man and because he is smart I am at peace with his ascendancy. None of what I just said has anything at all to do with party ideology. I simply despise stupid people and respect smart people.

Ask a Nazi, "Whom do you despise and why?" Then ask a Satanist the same question. I predict divergence in the answers unless one of the two decides to lie.

I think some Satanists like to utter Nazi slogans because those slogans are politically incorrect and some Satanists enjoy being politically incorrect. It's a game they play for their own amusement.

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#18965 - 01/26/09 08:11 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Zoid]
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You know where you say that other races aren't capable of thinking on the same level as whites.

Uhh what? I think you better double check your reading comprehension. I certainly have never said that.

The closest thing to that I may have said is that there is a measurable IQ variance between races,but white people aren't at the top of that scale, asians are. Also, that is a general rule, to which there are many exceptions. There are brilliant people of all races. There are also idiots of all races.

You are evidence of one of these statements, care to guess which?
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#19110 - 01/27/09 09:27 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Zoid]
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I think some Satanists like to utter Nazi slogans because those slogans are politically incorrect and some Satanists enjoy being politically incorrect. It's a game they play for their own amusement.


Satanists are purposely politically incorrect for their own amusement? Are you serious? What about logic? Satanist may do many things for their amusement, as most human beings...But being politically incorrect on purpose and in public? Since when do Satanists find it fun to sound stupid? I always thought the Satanic thing to do is to shut up and listen to what you don't know and learn from it, not to make yourself look like an idiot and "utter Nazi slogans" for the sake of being looked upon as an idiot. And for their own amusement? That would just be degrading and make them look like a fool.

Dan is right, pick the statement that best describes you and then prove it to us just for the fun of it all.
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#19111 - 01/27/09 09:53 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Mike]
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Satanists are purposely politically incorrect for their own amusement? Are you serious? What about logic? Satanist may do many things for their amusement, as most human beings...But being politically incorrect on purpose and in public? Since when do Satanists find it fun to sound stupid?

Being politically incorrect on purpose doesn't mean you might sound stupid. You merely can give the impression towards the other persons, but if you are quite intelligent, a fluent speaker, and know a thing or two about what you are speaking of, you might give quite a show.

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I always thought the Satanic thing to do is to shut up and listen to what you don't know and learn from it, not to make yourself look like an idiot and "utter Nazi slogans" for the sake of being looked upon as an idiot. And for their own amusement? That would just be degrading and make them look like a fool.

Some people tend to think they are wise by chanting enochian keys they made themselves wherein they crave for something.
Same principle, other views. Don't care really..
And yes there are some Satanist Nazi, just as there are Nazi Christians. Both groups are to spit upon. But hey, it doesn't mean they can provide fun in some way.
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#19113 - 01/27/09 10:17 AM Re: Satanism vs. Nazism [Re: Dimitri]
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You merely can give the impression towards the other persons, but if you are quite intelligent, a fluent speaker, and know a thing or two about what you are speaking of, you might give quite a show.


I suppose...But bullshitting and being politically incorrect for your own amusement are two different things.

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And yes there are some Satanist Nazi, just as there are Nazi Christians. Both groups are to spit upon. But hey, it doesn't mean they can provide fun in some way.


Fun to us? Yes. But if they really do believe in what they're preaching, how is it amusing to them?
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