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#1706 - 11/10/07 07:15 PM A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan
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A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan


Jesus: Love your neighbour as yourself. Do not repay evil for evil.

Satan: You think that is the good life?

Jesus: Yes.

Satan: And how do you substantiate that?

Jesus: Well, it's obvious really. If you hurt a person in revenge, it will always come back to you. You reap what you sow. So you are only hurting yourself.

Satan: Of course, if you believe in divine judgment, or Karma. But I do not. I only believe in natural cause and effect. So I don't think it will necessarily 'come back' to you if you are smart and strong enough, and able to evade the social consequences of your harmful acts to others.

Jesus: But taking revenge harms your soul.

Satan: How does it harm your soul?

Jesus: Revenge involves an obsessive desire to harm another person, which may not be possible and thus leads to frustration. Such anger and frustration necessarily sours your happiness in the here and now.

Satan: But, can a person not take vengeance without getting overly attached to the results of it? So that it is indulgence, not compulsion?

Jesus: Perhaps, but vengeance is based upon hatred, which is irrational, and leads to alienation against the All, against the universe and the divine.

Satan: And how is hatred irrational?

Jesus: Well, hatred is based on a belief that a person chose to harm you, through their free will, and this harmed your soul. From such a past act, you condemn the person in the here and now - enmeshing yourself to a story of the past - while in fact, they were not acting in freedom, but as a slave to irrational darkness. Furthermore, the suffering they caused you did not harm your soul, and can in fact help you to grow spiritually. You can learn to find the source of real joy from within, and thus learn how others' actions can never harm your soul.

Satan: I grant how being less attached to a story of the past can indeed set you free, and thus aid rational self-interest. But this passion of hatred and revenge is universally human. And surely it is no more irrational than romantic or sexual love - the belief that devotion to a person of the opposite sex is the way to real happiness. Yet such a passion of sexual attraction is merely nature's way of continuing the human species - without regard to the real happiness of the individual involved. Yet the survival of human life depends on this passion - as well as the passion of anger. Both passions can be destructive to the individual when taken to an extreme - yet they can be immensely pleasurable and beneficial when taken smartly in moderation. Just as humans today can enjoy sex without reproduction - or the burden of emotional enmeshment with another person - they can also enjoy taking vengeance on those who hurt them. 'Revenge is sweet.'

Jesus: I agree with you that sexual and romantic passion can be detrimental to the soul - thus many wise monks and sages have decided to choose celibacy in their pursuit of spiritual enlightenment. Yet sexual and sensual enjoyment – without compulsion - is a reasonable option for the majority of human beings. However, taking revenge is never permissible, and is always wrong.

Satan: That is an interesting point, so I'd like to discuss it next. However, I’d like to ask one more question first: How do you know that a person who harms you is not acting freely? I'm not talking about 'free will' in some kind of metaphysical sense here, so much as asking why a malicious or manipulative act (such as stealing, murder, seduction or manipulation), which is carried out with cunning smartness and self-interest, is necessarily less free and less 'enlightened' than, for example, an act of compassion?

Jesus: It is because we are all one body, and deeply interconnected. Only a person who really lives from this knowledge is truly happy, being free and spiritually enlightened - and that means living an ethic of non-violence and boundless compassion towards others - taking compassionate action to help them, not harm them. A person who harms or exploits another is failing to express their divine loving nature as part of the All. In contrast, an enlightened being not only refuses to cause harm, but will not sit by while others suffer – for to do nothing is to do evil. Rather, he is a willing slave to love, giving freely of his time and energy to help all sentient beings be really happy - despite the personal suffering this may cause him. But he finds that it is somehow ultimately worth it. He feels it in his bones.

Satan: Hold on. So what you are saying is that, if a person robs you, it is only because they are unenlightened?

Jesus: Yes. For a person to rob, they must be excessively attached to material possessions and wealth. Such a state of attachment – or the worship of wealth – is a sign of spiritual immaturity. An enlightened person would not be so attached to wealth and materiality that they would harm another person merely to further their own material interests. So the robber’s actions are an expression of his own spiritual sickness and irrationality.

Satan: I disagree. While it is certainly true that excessive attachment to wealth – like any compulsive craving or idolisation of something outside oneself – is harmful to oneself, it does not follow from this that robbing another person is never in one’s best interests.

Jesus: Yes it does!

Satan: No. In terms of excessive attachment to wealth, it makes no difference whether one obtains wealth from a rich relative, a business venture, a lottery win – or via robbery, fraud or murder – provided one gets away with it, can live with oneself, and is smart enough to not have to live in fear of retribution or prosecution. The important thing is not to get excessively attached or addicted to money, not where one gets it from. Indulgence, not compulsion. As Seneca said, it takes a weak mind to be unable to bear wealth. Addiction to wealth causes harm to oneself – and it is harm to oneself which is the most important thing to avoid, not harm to others. On the other hand, if a person has the opportunity to obtain extra wealth by stealing, the power and smartness to get away with it, the self-esteem to be able to live with himself, and the equanimity to avoid getting excessively attached to it – how can such a person possibly harm himself by robbing others? Furthermore, obtaining vast wealth in this way may free one from the burden of having to support oneself financially via stressful and tedious work – allowing the person to lead a more contemplative life, and thus even a more enlightened one. So if the act of robbery is not a detrimental act to oneself, it cannot be said to be unenlightened, and there are no grounds for supposing that an enlightened being would necessarily act otherwise.

Jesus: Yes there are. Such selfish acts as robbery, fraud, murder – or indeed, vengeance – alienate one from his fellow man and from the All. There is only one way a human being can possibly be happy, and that necessarily involves recognising that we are all one body, and deeply interconnected. Love your neighbour as yourself, because in a sense your neighbour is yourself – sharing in the same being. Once this happy enlightened state is reached, a person cannot fail to express a boundless compassion towards others, acting in altruism and personal self-sacrifice for the greater good. They will cheerfully give and never steal, always help and never harm.

Satan: Hold on. Is this true for everyone - or just for a few people who are that way inclined?

Jesus: It is universally true for everyone, absolutely without exception.

Satan: And how do you substantiate that?

Jesus: It resonates with me.

Satan: Okay.

Jesus: I guess only those who lack finer instincts can fail to recognise the absolute value of love, compassion, non-violence, altruism and self-sacrifice.

Satan: While it is possible that there is more to that 'argument' than a blatant ad hominem personal attack, and I am indeed lacking some special esoteric or mystical knowledge which will reveal the truth of this matter in its true light - nevertheless, I cannot accept your conclusion without a reasonable argument.

Jesus: Your loss. I know I am right. Anyway, it seems totally obvious and self-evident to me that harming another person, such as through revenge, is always wrong - evil - negative - a bad thing to do.

Satan: And how is taking revenge or harming another person so wrong? I don't believe in moral absolutes, only what is best for the individual. I don't see how harming another person will necessarily always lead to harming oneself, if one is smart enough in carrying out one's revenge.

Jesus: But all of us are one body. We are all interconnected, and so hating or harming another person leads to alienation against the All.

Satan: You are forgetting that the divine is immanent in both the rational and the 'irrational'; in hatred as well as love; in cruelty and the act of vengeance, as well as in kindness and forgiveness. All these are parts of the All - do not forget this!

Jesus: Yes, but irrationality, hatred and vengeance are based on a non-acceptance of reality as it really is. They should therefore be avoided, so that reality can be accepted. Therefore, hatred should be turned around, the will to revenge should be turned into forgiveness, and irrationality should be replaced with rationality.

Satan: But does not this ‘should’ itself involve a non-acceptance of reality as it really is? You propose that non-acceptance be countered with non-acceptance - 'fighting fire with fire'. Why not, instead, bring acceptance into the non-acceptance? Accept the hatred and act of vengeance without judging it as 'bad' or 'unhealthy' or 'negative' - provided it does not interfere with one's rational individual self-interest?

Jesus: Yes, but a Sage - a perfectly wise man, a Buddha or Christ - would not feel or act in such a way. Should we not strive to move towards this ideal, rather than away from it?

Satan: Even if emulating such an ideal is the best thing for us to do – which has not yet been determined – who is to say that the path towards Sagehood is a straight line? Developmental psychology often talks of 'U-shaped' development - seemingly getting worse before it gets better, but as a necessary prerequisite to growth. Perhaps becoming more hateful or vengeful or irrational or even murderous is a prerequisite for certain unique individuals to move on to further spiritual growth?

Jesus: This is dangerous thinking. Such behaviours and emotions are harmful, and totally useless. We would be better off without them.

Satan: Better off by whose standards? Human nature is wild - not something which can be kept tidy and sterile. Your ideal of a perfectly wise Sage may seem lovely, but it is in fact a ridiculous caricature of human nature - no one is like that. Implicit in your veneration of such ideals is a despising of human nature as it really is - the brutal, irrational, vicious, vengeful, hateful and downright cruel aspects of life.

Jesus: But such very real aspects of human nature are not denied in my Sage - they are merely transcended and included into the ideal of a perfectly loving and rational being.

Satan: So, like in alchemy, you wish to transmute the base metal of human nature into gold. But how do you know this is not just an impossible fantasy? And how is such a Christ-like Ideal Being relevant to the reality of human life?

Jesus: I know it can be done, because of the many enlightened Sages who have walked the Earth and paved the way. The common man is on the same spiritual hierarchy as the Sage, but only further down. This is a completely linear hierarchy, with such Sages at the top, the common man in the middle, and criminals at the bottom. The only positive direction any human being can go is away from criminality and towards compassion. Robbery and revenge have absolutely no place whatsoever in the good life. When society progresses, whether through divine or human means - for goodness is bound to conquer evil in the end - the common man shall be Sage-like, and all cruelty and delusion will be removed from the human race.

Satan: But many of these so-called enlightened Sages have turned out to be deeply hypocritical and 'unspiritual', leading double lives. Even if there really are enlightened Sages - who is to say if all humanity has the potential to be as these few? Perhaps they have their own nature, and the average human being has his or hers. They are not 'superior' or 'more evolved', but merely different. The mass of humans will retain their nature as it is.

Jesus: But this merely illustrates the spiritual darkness which the mass of humanity lurks in, and its need to awaken. The enlightened few can show the way to the masses.

Satan: This is an ideological construct. So is your 'spiritual hierarchy'. Perhaps it is not possible for the mass of humanity to transcend their nature, and escape illusion. If that is so, then why not embrace human nature as it is - incurably irrational, deluded, vengeful, and cruel? And if illusion and cruelty is the inescapable human condition - why not embrace it? Rather than viewing this as 'bad' or 'negative', or something to be overcome - simply accept it as it IS. We just are what we are.

Jesus: But even if such pessimism holds, it is still worth continuing the same path - attempting to both transcend, and include, human nature. Both/and, not either/or.

Satan: No. This is doublethink. Your approach fails to 'include' human nature 'as it is' in its attempt to 'transcend' it. If human nature cannot satisfactorily be 'transcended' into a condition of sweetness and light without denying and condemning the dark reality of what being human really consists of - then to attempt to do so is to try and have your cake and eat it.

Jesus: Well, of course it cannot be done perfectly in reality. In an ideal world, human nature could be perfectly transcended and included. But still, in our imperfect world, we must try.

Satan: And why must we? Your ideal of a Sage-like all-compassionate perfect human being is an impossible, irrelevant and idealistic dream. To judge human nature by it - and watch human nature come off badly, making us look 'flawed' - as 'fallen'. But if such so-called 'fallenness' is our natural condition, then why not accept it as it is - without the negative value-judgment necessarily involved in comparing it to such a ridiculous ideal? As the Zen Buddhists say: "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him!" The 'Buddha' in this context is the ideal of the Sage. Kill the ideal. Embrace the reality. Stop trying to turn human beings into angels - and accept instead that angels do not exist, and humans will never be angels. There are only human beings as they are. Cruel, deluded, destructive, selfish and vengeful animals. The screams of the suffering masses do not concern me. "The public good be damned! I will have no part in it!"...

Jesus: But that is nihilism! We all need to have strong idealistic dreams in order to live!

Satan: Well, I do not. And there is nothing nihilistic about accepting reality as it really is. The greatest good to me is to pursue my own individual survival, well-being and happiness. Much like adolescent romantic love, your idealistic dreams promise a personal happiness beyond measure – and claim to be the only way to such happiness. Yet not only are they equally deluded, they are just as much a hindrance to obtaining real happiness. Being genuinely happy, first and foremost, involves a judicious use of one’s intellect and critical faculty, in order to see certain things more clearly. Most urgently, this means rejecting false and unsubstantiated values which drain one’s vitality. Such as values derived from guilt, shame, fear, ignorance, a lack of acceptance of one’s more brutal nature, and the burdensome and guilt-ridden belief that “I am my brother’s keeper”. Values which negate one’s own survival, well-being and happiness to the benefit of others – coupled with the delusory and unsubstantiated promise that this is somehow the only real way to one’s individual happiness. What a swindle!

Jesus: Well, my friend, when you are as spiritually mature as me, I am sure that you will recognise your aching spiritual need, and finally come round to my glorious values and ideals.

Satan: Such a thinly-veiled ad hominem personal attack is your only rebuttal? And with what smug arrogance you defend yourself as a bastion of maturity when clinging so desperately to your oh-so-precious beliefs as they struggle against sound argument!

Jesus: I love you, my friend. I hope you see the light.

Satan: I hope you do too, if you truly value the truth as much as you claim. But I suspect a feel-good, romanticist, mystical pipe dream is what you really want, rather than a clear-headed, sober and down-to-earth perspective on reality.

Jesus: You fucking bastard!

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#1720 - 11/10/07 09:15 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Meq]
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A literary note:
The names were the last thing I added to this piece.
Some of the views of 'Jesus' here are closer to those of Socrates.

Also, some of the views of 'Satan' are derived from LaVey, Nietzsche, Rand and others (including Hume and Schopenhauer) - while others diverge widely from these thinkers (who had many disagreements as well as parallels).

This is not an orthodox LaVeyan piece by any means.
I merely borrowed the literary theme as a base to build upon with some creative new ideas and dialogue...

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#1735 - 11/11/07 01:03 AM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Meq]
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Christianity: Why do we even care?

Am I the only one who just doesn't give a damn about anything Christian? Am I the only one who is indifferent towards Christians? Am I the only one who can visualize satanic philosophy and practical application without a connection to Christianity? Why must there be this duality for so many of us?

A piece like this doesn't speak of freedom. It doesn't disprove or discount Christian philosophy. It's an angry tirade in the guise of a superiority complex. A piece like this only weakens the satanic ideal and mollifies the caricature of what Satanism has become.

Do you really care what Jesus would say? What do you gain by pointing out Christian folly other than a false sense of superiority? Isn’t it easier to simply NOT CARE about what Jesus would or wouldn't say? Or are you using these opposing views as archetypes? If so, to what purpose? It seems to me that your summation of Jesus crying foul with "You fucking bastard!" only illustrates that the point of your entire diatribe was to get a proverbial "rise" out of a fictitious character. Why on earth would you spend your time and energy on such a pointless endeavor?

Am I wrong? Or does this whole piece simply play into "WWJD?
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Edited by Octavius (11/11/07 01:06 AM)
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#1736 - 11/11/07 01:19 AM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Meq]
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I think it's fantastic, a wonderful piece, I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
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#1741 - 11/11/07 03:14 AM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Octavius]
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Honestly, I couldn't get through the whole thing, my eyes just aren't working tonight. Or last night for that matter, or the night before that... but I digress.


The fact that she said that the names came last kind of shows that she *isn't* going in a WWJD sort of anti Christian rant. She said that she took the theories of many, not just Christians, and I trust her on that, I suppose.

On the pointless endeavor note, perhaps rather than considering it as a piece of Satanic philosophy, you could try thinking of it as a writing exercise, or a screenplay. It shows creative talent, and exercising that definitely isn't a pointless endeavor.

Also, not all of the people who may join, have joined, or think of joining this forum are beyond Christianity. There are still perfectly rational, interesting people, I know at least one, who are, what is the proper term, stereotypical satanists. They believe in god, they believe in Satan, and they made a choice. It's always possible that it is just you that doesn't care.


Edited by undeadridinghood (11/11/07 03:15 AM)

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#1746 - 11/11/07 11:55 AM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Octavius]
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Greetings Octavius,

The opposing views were indeed intended as archetypal - in an "undefiled wisdom vs hypocritical self-deceit" kind of way.

The last line was not intended for mass publication - though I thought it would be interesting to post on a forum such as this.
My other version concludes:
Jesus: Oh, you evil scoundrel!

But the 'fucking bastard' conclusion is a parody of the emotional reaction of many moralistic dogmatists who resort to fallacious reasoning, ad hominem attacks and what Rand called the Argument from Intimidation, then resort to childish name-calling rather than admit defeat. I've seen this a lot too, and I thought it's be fun to poke fun at it.
It kind of sums up the attitude of many moralists:
"If you don't accept my personal value judgments as objective truth, then you are a piece of shit."

Or as Rand put it:
"Only the most degenerate, morally depraved, cretinous imbecile could fail to see the truth of my argument."


And yes, the views I attributed to 'Jesus' are very common viewpoints and arguments I have had to encounter and debate. Not exactly Christian per se (all of them), but with a similar moralising and anti-individual stance - which often subtly undermine the individual in my view.

The views I attributed to 'Satan' are certainly not to be taken as definitive truth - just in the spirit of an individual rebelling against moralistic dogma and attempting to affirm his own life and individuality.
Agreement is not necessary, just an appreciation of the general spirit of this endeavour.

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#1779 - 11/11/07 09:28 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Meq]
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Personally I just found it to be an interesting and entertaining piece of writing that was well worth spending a few minutes reading and smirking at before moving on to the next thing. It was a worthwhile use of my time as I found it entertaining. Why does it need to be anything more?
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#1782 - 11/11/07 10:07 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I appreciate the replies, especially from the author. As to Mr. Tornado's question of why it needs to be anything more, I simply expect more from the Philosoophy forum than Jesus bashing and evil posturing. It's apparent that there are many interpretations, and I replied with mine.
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#1783 - 11/11/07 10:47 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Octavius]
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This dialogue represents the tension between the inherent demands of rational self-interest in the individual, and the additional burden of morality or humanitarian love imposed by society (and indeed from biological instinct - morals and social values evolved from ape cooperation).

The question raised is - why should an individual follow social values, when he becomes conscious enough to realise that these often come into conflict with his own personal happiness?

'Jesus' fails to provide a rational answer to this question posed by 'Satan', so he makes the archetypal value judgment of demonising those who hold dissenting views as 'evil', and those views themselves 'evil' or 'Satanic', forbidden or taboo ways of thinking which empower the individual to the (possible) detriment of society.

The seemingly childish reaction of 'Jesus', "You fucking bastard!", is an example of primitive emotion, resulting from our biological heritage and also fostered by society. It is precisely this emotional impulse which is behind the social morality, imposing moral dogma and demonising ways of thinking which do not accept it.

This is not necessarily a 'good' or 'bad' thing, it is how societies work. To motivate an individual to practice altruism to his own detriment, it is necessary to convert the individual to a value system which undermines his own happiness (often unconsciously to him).

This value system boils down to a dogmatic belief, held by the individual, that acting altruistically is good.

The role of social morality is to enforce this dogma in the individual, blinding him to the possibility of breaking away from the imposed norms and living a life liberated from guilt.

Which necessarily leads this very subject matter into socially unacceptable areas - its potential to corrupt good young minds, for instance \:D

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#1817 - 11/12/07 07:32 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Meq]
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I enjoyed it thoroughly. Using the terms Satan or Satanist generally creates a feeling of antipathy among the christians of the world. Like Octavius, I couldn't really care less what they think, but in the sense that we use the word Satan--a word from their texts ( Milton notwithstanding)--one expects the occasional us/them debate to occur.

I liked seeing how both halves used so many of the various moral stances from the last several centuries as both logical and emotional fodder. Well played.

I suppose the end was a tad predictable, given the nature of the site, but it doesn't mean I wasn't rooting for that outcome. Heh.

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#1951 - 11/16/07 05:56 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Poneros]
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 Originally Posted By: Poneros
I liked seeing how both halves used so many of the various moral stances from the last several centuries as both logical and emotional fodder. Well played.


Practically all of these ideas (on both sides) go back to ancient philosophy, so actually thousands of years - although we are of course more directly familiar with their more recent forms.

Normative morality ("thou shalt, because you should") is a pretty distinctly Judeo-Christian thing.
While eudaimonic morality ("do this, because it will make you happy") is more from Socrates and his ilk.

'Jesus' here (as a clever moralist) mixes up both forms of morality, appealing both to guilt and a false sense of reward (or self-interest).
'Satan' also follows a form of eudaimonic morality (pursuing genuine happiness), but differs from 'Jesus' on how such happiness is to be defined and obtained.
This parallel's LaVey's 'undefiled wisdom' vs 'hypocritical self-deceit'.


'Jesus's' view is slanted strongly to promoting social interests, often at the expense of the individual. For example, he identifies true happiness with unselfish love and compassion, and views smart self-interest as hurting one deep inside.

First, he suggests the possibility of something like divine judgment (the Christian view) or Karma (the Hindu/Buddhist one), as a means of justifying his view that true happiness absolutely requires a life of extreme self-sacrifice and love.

When a naturalistic worldview is required (with just natural cause and effect, no supernatural Karma or reward), 'Jesus' gets clever and borrows an argument from Socrates and the Stoics (which has close parallels to Buddhism).

The argument is that an enlightened sage (or Buddha/Christ) would transcend his egoism by integrating his ego with the community of life, as a necessary step on the way to integrating with the whole Universe and feeling supreme bliss and happiness.

This social integration necessarily means venerating certain 'spiritual' ideals, such as justice and compassion, even when these clash with rational self-interest and what an individual can smartly get away with (including emotional costs). So it is (potentially at least) a subtle way to undermine the individual.

In asking individuals to emulate such an altruistic Sage, such a philosophy negates the reality of everyday carnal life.

The path to happiness does not go in a straight line, argues Satan - even if the mystical ideal of universal love is the culmination of true happiness (a VERY deep issue cleverly sidestepped here), the path to true happiness beginning now involves accepting, rather than rejecting, one's 'darker' impulses which lead to pleasure and personal gratification - but within the bounds of a rational egoism, not a love-based altruism which sacrifices the individual to the common good (even with the ingenious con that this is the best way to achieve real happiness).

Ego boundaries are best kept strong and healthy, in other words - rather than mixed up with others' in sympathy and pity, leading to unnecessary self-sacrifice and extra suffering.

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#3340 - 01/11/08 12:57 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Octavius]
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Again, i agree with Octavious on this one. And i have a serious question to ALL members of this site. Why the fuck are you coming here to talk about the christian god and jesus FUCK!! Incase you haven't noticed this is a SATANIC "group". Why the fuck would we want to talk, read, or think about christianity on this site????? If i want to hear what christians god worrshipers thought today, i would call my grandma!! YES, shitty talk of this type seriously weakens the integrity of this site. FUCKING STOP......."destroy yourself, see wgo gives a fuck" Lamb Of God
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#3367 - 01/11/08 08:22 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Bridgett Leavitt]
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Perhaps because we are trying to better ourselves and grow. Learn all facets of thought. Delve into something that intrigues us. Maybe you might benefit personally by removing your "Satan is my co-pilot" bumper sticker, taking some nail polish remover to your black nails, and some make up remover to your overly lined eyes and explore more. Satanism isn't all about peeing on church doorsteps because you are sickened by them or wearing your offensive anti-christian tee shirt. I've seen your kind of Satanism more times than the number of hairs I have growing from my nut sac. Usually it's pissed off teenagers who just discovered the Satanic Bible or black metal and think that is the way it is. Or wannabes looking for attention or the weakling hoping to put the fear of Satan into the bullies that beat them up on the school grounds. Use this site as a tool to grow and learn in your path of Satanism. Otherwise, you will be sent back to your evil myspace world of like minded, devil horn displaying, dripping blood crucufix, wannabe playground.
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#3376 - 01/11/08 10:03 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Octavius]
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I concur with you totally on this issue. I too can careless about anything Christian because it has no part in my life period. I can careless what Jesus would have said to Satan; and if I did care about such dialogue, all I would have to do is read the Christian Bible. Which seems as pointless as the original post itself. Who cares about the words of Jesus. This is akin to a Christian trying to argue with a known Satanist; the Christian does it just to be a self-righteous dick and as far as I'm concerned the Satanist shouldn't even waste his very breath on such insignificant and futile conversation. It leads nowhere and accomplishes nothing.
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#3377 - 01/11/08 10:07 PM Re: A Dialogue between Jesus and Satan [Re: Meq]
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A simple word of wisdom: "Jesus should NEVER have a place on this site, for to bring him into a topic is highly.....shall I say 'Christian-like'?."
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