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#17647 - 01/05/09 07:04 PM Homeless
Butterz Offline
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A recent news report talked about the homeless problem in the nearby city of Savannah. An increase the number of panhandlers begging. The areas homeless shelter chairman has stated the shelters are out of resources and the shelters are full.

There is a large camp of homeless underneath a bridge. The police have served them with a warning they must vacate or be arrested. The things that gets me is if they go to jail, the tax payers are supporting them anyways.

Many of the satanist here have decent political views, so do you think a better solution would be? It's obvious the begging is annoying, but we don't HAVE to give them money. If they fill the jails with homeless, where will actual criminals go?

Personally I believe they should be forced into military. Those who refuse get executed. In reality that would never happen though. Is there an alternative method of dealing with these parasites without costing the community money?

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#17648 - 01/05/09 07:11 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
Woland Moderator Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Butterz

Personally I believe they should be forced into military.


I wonder what our esteemed military members will think about having a non-functional to cover their back...

I guess labor-camps is the natural alternative?
This way the homeless will pay their way instead of being a burden upon decent people?
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#17649 - 01/05/09 07:21 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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That coming from a 22 year old, who claims that his occupation is a “Rock star,” makes me suspect bullshit.

First of all, if you are living with your parents at that age, then you are also a “Parasite.” However, I don’t know your personal history, so I can’t say for sure, but it’s something to consider.

These days in society, with many people living from pay check to pay check, it’s not impossible for many of us, to lose a job, and eventually find ourselves homeless and perhaps living under a bridge.
In many such cases, if we have our mental health, that situation would be most likely temporary.

I’ve known several people, who for some reason or another can’t hold a job, and take care of themselves. Frankly, I believe most of these people could have held a job, and would have been able to take care of themselves, if handouts, such as food stamps, and public housing and medical care wasn’t available to them.

When I worked for the Veterans Hospital, all of the ones that ended up homeless time and time again, had serious mental disorders, because they were provided with housing, but managed to fuck it up each time.

My main point is, that I feel that most homeless people, who remain homeless for long periods of time, are mentally ill. If that is the case, then they wouldn’t do too well in the military.

You may chose to exterminate them if you wish, however, you better be willing to pour the cocktail for them yourself, because I wouldn’t do it, even though I also find beggars, and homeless people a pain in the ass.
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#17650 - 01/05/09 07:28 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Woland]
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When I said "forced into military" , I was going on the stand point of they're still people and it's not thier fault they are homeless. In my ideal world they would be given the choice to redeem themselves as worthy humans, or die like a parasite.

Setting up labor camps would be a good decision. Theres alot of plantation work around that goes to the migrant workers.

I just think it's bullshit they want to waste funds on inprisoning these people. The city just passed a 1% increase on sales tax. I know its not a big increase, but it's thought that I am being forced to help these people who refuse to contribute to society. The sales tak here is 7% ,but if I go into the city where the stores I like are, I have to pay 8%. I know lifes not fair and all of that.

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#17651 - 01/05/09 07:35 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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Just to clear things up, My occupation as rock star is meant to be humorous. Yes at 22 I live with my dad. We split the bills and both of us benefit from the situation. It's not that either of us depends on the other, just financially it makes sense. If one of us becomes ill or some unforeseen thing happens, we won't end up living under a bridge.
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#17652 - 01/05/09 07:37 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Setting up labor camps would be a good decision. Theres alot of plantation work around that goes to the migrant workers.


Jeeezzz, I have met more intelligent rodents than you.
How about learning to read & write for starters?
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#17654 - 01/05/09 08:49 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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How about just leaving them alone and letting them live their lives, for better or for worse?

It's my opinion that they have a certain bit of freedom that the rest of us do not have. You and I have a paper trail and a number and whatnot. The homeless are totally off the grid and off the radar.

No one has to give them money. If they are standing around begging and a few people give them a few dollars, more power to them. I used to rake in the dough in junior high school with the "I just need fifty cents more to buy lunch" scam. I betcha their survival skills are vastly superiour to your own.

As has been said, military is a bad idea. It's never a good idea to force someone to learn how to kill and then put a gun in a bitter and unwilling hand. And I don't think labor camps are such a great idea either because you still have to deal with the fact that most of the homeless are schizophrenic or have some other sort of mental disorder. Do you really want to babysit a bunch of schizos all day? Seriously? You would have to make sure they got their meds or they wouldn't be able to function and it wouldn't be their fault because they would be where they were because YOU put them there.

Are you a closet Nazi? I wonder because I know of another dude who had similar ideas and it seems to me that since racism seems to have run it's little gauntlet in your brain, you are working now on new and better Aryan ideals.

In a world of survival of the fittest, I don't see where it makes sense to give assistance or to interfere. In the words of the most well known hippies of all time, "Let it be." If they fleece a few sheep, so be it. They will live or they will die, and either way it will be of their own design no matter which way it goes.

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#17655 - 01/05/09 09:05 PM Re: Homeless [Re: ceruleansteel]
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People who support them should be ticketed. If they want to throw away their money, than they can also support the rest of the scum of the earth. They should be completely cut off from what they are not entitled to. Some will die off and some will decide that if they don't start fending for themselves, they will quickly join the others. Problem solved.
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#17660 - 01/05/09 11:28 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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I am about 30 days away from being homeless. My wife lost her job 3 months ago due to no business. I don't know if the company is even in business anymore. I lost my job 2 months ago. After 15 years of dedicated service to them. I came in as a delivery person and warehouse manager of a warehouse the size of a 2 car garage. Over the years, I did such a good job for them I came to be the purchasing agent as well. I was there as the company grew to eventually 3 seperate warehouses, of which I was in charge of and a crew of 4 persons. I was a victim of my success. I was let go because "I made too much money". We have applied for what few jobs pop up. We have been on interviews. After this long period, we have burned through what little savings we have. If I am lucky, I will be able to cover all the bills this month and still be able to buy food, gas, stamps for the bills, etc. I am now eating into what remains of our retirement account (thanks to the stock market debacle) to survive. Once that is gone, we are broke. We can't sell the house, since the market sucks ass. So we will go into foreclosure, file for bankruptcy, lose everything we worked for for the last 20 years together, and may end up living under that same bridge. Be careful what a wide canvas you choose to paint and how broad you generalize. Some of these homeless did not deserve it. Some are not mental patients fearing aliens and inner voices. Some are not meth heads. Some are victims of this economy and are willing to bust ass to make it through it, if given the opportunity.

I won't even touch your comment about compulsory military service. That might send me into homicidal rage.
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#17664 - 01/06/09 12:11 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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I’ve shared food with these “parasites”. I’ve lived in hotels with them, I’ve waited in day long lines with them, I’ve fought with them, and bought dope with them, and once I went to a funeral for one.
Your gross over-simplification and astoundingly stupid solution to what YOU determine is a problem that affects , oh sorry, irritates, you, displays a complete lack of understanding or insight.
There are as many ways to find yourself homeless as there are to get rich, and it is far easier than just maintaining your middle class status. Meaning, you are closer to it than you think.
Many are homeless by choice, and many are mentally and physically sick and they have just fallen through the cracks.
Sons and fathers and brothers and daughters that no one cares about or remembers.

Sleep under that bridge for a week on damp concrete with a shit stained towel for a blanket, with the true knowledge that if you don’t wake up one morning no one on earth will notice.
Mandatory military servitude. Unfuckingbelievable.

I fully agree that a good percentage are lazy, stupid, and chemically dependant, and no one enjoys a panhandler, myself included, but here are real solutions to this real phenomenon. They won’t be solved by pontificating from a cozy computer desk though.

I have stories that would flip your wig, but I’m not going to waste them here.

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#17665 - 01/06/09 12:14 AM Re: Homeless [Re: fakepropht]
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keep your chin up FP. something will break sooner or later, and an opportunity will happen. youre a survivor.
and a mean gambler.

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#17671 - 01/06/09 01:37 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Bacchae]
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I can't say anything better than my colleges already have, but I must also openly express my disgust for Mr.Butterz and his supreme display of idiocy. Please, please, stop typing. Your "contributions" to this forum are less than worthless.

And, yes, chin up, FP. You're a fighter.
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#17673 - 01/06/09 01:54 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Bacchae]
Butterz Offline
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The main point I was trying to make is there has to be a better solution that jail for these people.

I agree that there are some who just had a bad run of luck, some addicts, some lazy. The real problem is why the effort to increase funds available to the jail when the shelters are in dire need of funds also. The city raised taxes to jail innocent people. It's not just here I have heard that this is a common solution.

I wouldn't mind a tax increase if the funds went to a shelter program, put the addicts in rehab, or put the mentally unstable in a safe place.

My statement on military was towards those who just don't try. I will admit it is on the radical side. As far as living under a bridge, done it. When I was 15 I ran away with four friends and we stayed under an old overpass. We lasted a week, it sucked.

Fakepropht- I am sorry to hear about your situation, but think of this: You lose everything and live under a bridge, then a cop comes along and says your going to jail in X amount of days unless you quit being homeless. That's seriously messed up.

I am aware I can't solve this problem in a forum. I could, however, go to a city meeting. I was thinking maybe one highly intelligent elitist here would throw out a good idea. It seems as if the people here would rather just bicker about whether or not to wear your Pentagram in public, than discuss an actual issue.

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#17674 - 01/06/09 02:02 AM Re: Homeless [Re: blsk]
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“People who support them should be ticketed.”

That has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard in my life. Why should it be illegal for someone to do that? If someone wants to give money to a homeless person that should be their decision. Do you really think making that illegal will get rid of all the homeless people?
Hell, why not just make it illegal to be homeless. It pretty much is already, but maybe, just maybe; if it is clearly stated in some law book somewhere that it is illegal to be homeless, then people will just stop being homeless.

“ If they want to throw away their money, than they can also support the rest of the scum of the earth.”

If they want to throw their money away, I have a garbage can they can throw it in. Who is the “rest of the scum of the earth”?

“They should be completely cut off from what they are not entitled to.”

So let me get this straight. You think homeless people should be cut off from money, food, clothing, shelter etc. because they are not entitled to it? Please, tell me, why are they not entitled to it? Is it because they don’t already have it?

“ Some will die off and some will decide that if they don't start fending for themselves, they will quickly join the others. Problem solved.”

That is the reality of it right now. The problem certainly is not solved.

There are some people that are just too lazy to work, there are some that are incapable of working. I myself spent a good year riding freight trains around, doing the hobo thing. I tried to find day labor when I could so I could have money to keep myself going but sometimes I had to resort to panhandling. I met several kids who weren’t too lazy and didn’t have any mental condition making employment impossible. Most of them just rejected the idea of materialism. I myself ended up in that situation because of some unfortunate events, but I had little fun with it.
I am sure everyone has heard the same lines from these people over and over again. Things about being a vet, or something similar. While some are indeed lying, there are those that are telling the truth.

I’ll admit is annoying when I reject someone who asks for spare change and they say “god bless you”, as if it is going to guilt trip me into changing my mind, but forced military service and these other half assed ideas are even more annoying to me. You yourself could very well end up in that same boat. I think you would be singing a different tune then.
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#17683 - 01/06/09 03:06 AM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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FP, you got somewhere to crash for a long while, I'm not rich, by any standard, but I've got the room... just don't be all weirdo... or better... don't be all "normo"... and like I may have said, if you know some plumbing, or electric work, go on brother. Even if you don't, you know what I mean.

You'll never be homeless, just don't stay too long!!!!

I got my own shit goin' on... I just can't see one of my brothas and family in hard times.
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