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#18193 - 01/14/09 04:23 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
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I’ve had the pleasure of meeting a few individuals, who dealt in the black market, under the old Soviet Union. Their stories are truly inspirational.

One guy ran a bar. He would sell about 75% of the alcohol that the “State” provided him with, and for that service, he would get a salary, just like “everyone” else, who worked for the “collective.
Yet, he would buy about 25% of the alcohol himself from a regular store, or a distributor, and sell it in the bar, keeping the profits for himself. Once the Soviet system fell, he was able to put a lot of money into legitimate business ventures.

A barmaid that I knew, turns out had dozens of slot machines hidden in her basement, collecting dust while the Soviets were in control. I forget where she got them from originally. When the government collapsed guess who had the finances and equipment to open her own little “Shit in the wall” type casino business?

It is also interesting to note, that many of the people who became filthy rich, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, were the individuals, who were part of the government itself, during the Soviet Union. They were able to buy up property held by the goverment for the equivalent of pennies, and a few years later sold it millions of dollars worth to Western interests.

Meanwhile, the ordinary citizen, “Sheep” who believed in the “collective,” and also believed that the system would take care of them, once they were used up, ended up broke, discouraged, and struggling, when said system collapsed.
There’s a lesson in there somewhere.
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#18194 - 01/14/09 05:24 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Asmedious]
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The black market is a world in itself. It's everywhere but most people just don't realize it.

I know this dude...

This is more than a decade ago.

He starts with buying one CD-burner. Then he thinks, hmm such a bargain, why not buy one and sell it for a profit? Before he knows it, he's selling complete boxes, 10 a time. Then they offer him HiFi-equipment, televisions. After a while, he has some sort of network, they call him with what they have, he calls around and see whom wants it. Buy at 1/3th of the price, sell at 2/3th. All benefit, things go fast. Before he knows it he is getting crazy offers, steroids, cars, you name it. Truck drivers bribe clerks in Italy, load more than the papers tell, they stop somewhere, he unloads and delivers. The systems are so smooth, none ever notices. Not unless he start to pile stock.
Then they begin to ponder about intercepting complete trucks, they meet, plan, have their insider, need to find a buyer, work out the practical part and suddenly rationality kicks in for a second and he decides that this is a turning point, risk, cost and gain suddenly shift immensely.
He decides it isn't worth it any longer and and quits it all.
Greed can be ones downfall.

It's happening all the time, most just don't see it.

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#18334 - 01/17/09 12:00 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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if we are going to get technical there is a substantial amount of people we see or think of as bums, but actually return at night to semi permanent apartments, hotels, halfway houses, etc. i like to call these people half-bums. they display all the characteristics of homeless, yet are not.

anyway. this topic is now completely played out and boring me to tears. just wanted to throw that in.

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#101561 - 07/15/15 08:32 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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They should be forced into the military? So what if they wouldn't qualify for military based on illness... example: asthma, then how would then being rejected for those medical requirements fair on their situation? Military won't recruit that kind of liability...

Personally I've slept in my car for six months while working grave... luckily may I add my vehicle was already paid off but parking and receiving a knock on my window after napping for two hours was tough. The particular area where I was living halfway in was hot during the summertime(90 or so inside my car). This humbling experience brought insight into how peoples perception changed despite having a job, a wayward individual falling on hard times doesn't necessarily mean they don't hold a work ethic or indulge in illegal substances. Sometimes this just becomes a series of harsher events or obstacles one needs to rise from.

Numerous medical problems arouse but after leaving my home area I was able to becomes successful. Never thought of being homeless the same or felt I should place preconceptions upon those I've never spoke with before.

I guess one day a bank account might hit zero.. because now that's all it takes... numbers in a computer.
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#101588 - 07/15/15 06:43 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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My mother left my physically/verbally/emotionally abusive father just before I turned 5 and we became homeless because my mum was unemployed and we couch hopped for 2.5 years and were living on the poverty line until I was about 14. My mum went to university and became a teacher. We now live comfortably in my opinion (I would be out on my own, but my health has been failing of late).
Don't judge where you haven't been mate, you might say this, but maybe you should walk that life; people don't choose it.
Homeless people are dealing with issues I highly doubt you understand.
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#101594 - 07/16/15 02:29 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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I'm not too sure how my previous post was misinterpreted but let me clarify homeless people I wouldn't consider subhuman and/or scum, hard time can hit anyone even the rich go bankrupt.

advocating that not all homeless individuals are drug addicts or have a poor work ethic was the main message here.

Not too sure where this was misconstrued?
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#101615 - 07/17/15 06:08 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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Hmmm, sorry bro. I didn't have time to read the full post. So I just read the last couple of pages.

My bad. \:\/
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#101622 - 07/17/15 09:21 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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I have. One can still have a house and it not be a home. It accounts for so many so-called displaced people that Build them a home on their own terms.

A few pages back, these oh so bothersome people have been called the real free men, I tend to agree with that.

As a person who lived in plenty of houses but didn't have a home until I made one, I speak from personal experience.
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#101634 - 07/18/15 04:53 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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It's alright but upbringing seems to play a large role in this whole thread overall. Some who feel those can deemed lesser due to a person's basic appearance are shallow (IMO) to assume so much about a person's life based on appearance, not to mention a good example of this; James Eads How, an American orginizer who chose to bum around due to the simple adventure and danger the lifestyle came with, attempted to change the perception of a homeless person. He also organized hobo colleges, conventions and other activities. The term 'hipster hobo' could be debated but interestingly enough overall living a lifestyle such as being homeless would always be a challenge no matter how much is in your wallet.

On a side note he died in 1930 of pneumonia and starvation. }:/

There's a vice documentary about a wealthy hobo but can't place it, watched it a while back... wish I could site it.
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#101647 - 07/18/15 02:57 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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I have worked with the homeless in the past. Out of a hundred people I saw in the course of a day about twenty were down on their luck or the working homeless.

The rest were either on drugs, batshit crazy, a drunk, or had just given up.

The stereotype exists for a reason and anyone who claims it is just superficial has next to no experience with the homeless.
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#101648 - 07/18/15 05:08 PM Re: Homeless [Re: FemaleSatan]
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The stereotype exists for a reason and anyone who claims it is just superficial has next to no experience with the homeless.


You're damn right about this one. My father once tried to help a homeless woman who was kicked out of the shelter for drinking. He met her weeping at the bus stop when he came back from the dancing club. She told him one chap invited her for dinner and she had only one glass of wine. My father, reckless as he'd always been, took pity on her and took her to his house.

I spend my holiday there. The woman was so lazy that she did nothing except eating, drinking, sleeping and doing crosswords. When I was making myself breakfast or a dinner, I made her one too because she never ate unless someone prepared her food. It was really bizarre. She didn't want to do any housework. My father once asked her to go to the forest and pick up some berries. She didn't want to because there were too many mosquitoes there.

Finally, my father found her a job. One guy was looking for someone willing to take care of his elderly mother. He offered a decent income and a separate room in his house. She went for an interview and was accepted. The mother was quite old, yet she could walk and didn't require feeding. She wasn't in diapers like my grandma. So all she was required to do was cooking, cleaning the house, washing the dishes and feeding the farm animals. They had a goat and some hens.

She didn't work even a week because she was doing nothing. The elderly mother had to cook and wash the dishes all by herself while she was just sitting and reading a book.

So she came back to my father and spent her days doing nothing while at nights she went to his neighbor to "watch TV" and she came back in the early morning.

Finally, my father asked his friend to take her back to the shelter by car. He packed up her things while she was crying and begging him to let her stay. It was a sad spectacle to watch.

It happened a few years ago. I'm sure they are some homeless who had just bad luck but they usually stay in the shelter, don't drink and try to find some job. However, the minority of the homeless stay in the shelters, at least in my country, because drinking is prohibited there altogether. Others don't even want to go there. They prefer to live in the streets and drink.
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#101653 - 07/19/15 01:03 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Czereda]
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I do also agree with what is being said here also. Whenever I am giving things to the homeless; I make sure it's always food (being fruit - usually bananas; lots of carbohydrates and toothless people can eat it too) (or a high energy and calorie drink like Up & Go). I never, ever give money, just say I have no cash. Because I know that drugs and grog is what it'll be spent on.

Ice (crystal meth) is a huge, huge problem in my town with addiction levels between 5-25% depending on where you get stats from. Grog is also a massive issue.

I know that my mum was an exception to the rule, and we were lucky to be mainly couch hoppers. And we were down on my luck; my mum, me (I was between 5-7 at the time) and my baby sister. So we worked hard and went without a lot growing up (though it didn't feel like it) and got out of it. My mother is an amazing person who always kept us kids happy while she was trying to figure out how we could eat that night while working minimum wage and studying.

It is sad to see though; and I do make sure I also look after my health, most of the homeless here are beggers and so stick around busy areas like the train station and main street in the morning and then move around and follow where people go. I only ever give food to people in populated areas where people are bustling around me. I'd never go down an alleyway or anything.
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#101656 - 07/19/15 03:26 AM Re: Homeless [Re: FemaleSatan]
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there are many categories of homelessness here's just to name a few: drug addict, mentally ill(schizophrenic), street punk, thrill seeker, manic depressive... ect. I would agree there are people who have no work ethic and while depending on geographical location all these titles above may vary. Where I lived a few months back in California near the coast we had a huge mentally ill population of homeless mainly due to LA literally busing them up to Santa Cruz( which in my opinion made Santa Cruz worse) but... I guess the overall message I'm eluding to is stereotypes don't capture the holistic picture of being on the streets.



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#101657 - 07/19/15 07:02 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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I understand what you mean Blood Ceric; a lot of those catergories/reasons for homelessness often overlap as well. (Like the schizophrenic who self medicates with drugs - and Coke is a big one in that situation). There is a meaning behind every behaviour.

I've faced the risk of being homeless in the future (I have schizophrenia and require the assistance of a service dog - for which I am training a young German Shepard bitch for this role -as I have the bad habit of running onto roads when I see certain hallucinations).

Getting a job while suffering from certain illnesses that make enough money to live off is next to impossible; as while employers say that they're EOE (equal opportunity employers) that is bullshit.

I've also found that a lot of homeless also have cancer which is heartbreaking :'( <//3
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#101663 - 07/19/15 10:13 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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Slow down man I never said they had no work ethic, I said the stereotype exists for a reason. It takes a lot of work (read panhandling, day labor, etc ) to keep a crack habit going. I would say for the majority of homeless their priorities are different than the average person.

If you were hungry and had five dollars would you by food or alcohol? For most homeless they will spend the five dollars on their vice of choice and jump over to a feed later.

Painting a holistic picture of life on the streets is impossible. You have to of experienced it to understand.
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