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#17647 - 01/05/09 07:04 PM Homeless
Butterz Offline
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A recent news report talked about the homeless problem in the nearby city of Savannah. An increase the number of panhandlers begging. The areas homeless shelter chairman has stated the shelters are out of resources and the shelters are full.

There is a large camp of homeless underneath a bridge. The police have served them with a warning they must vacate or be arrested. The things that gets me is if they go to jail, the tax payers are supporting them anyways.

Many of the satanist here have decent political views, so do you think a better solution would be? It's obvious the begging is annoying, but we don't HAVE to give them money. If they fill the jails with homeless, where will actual criminals go?

Personally I believe they should be forced into military. Those who refuse get executed. In reality that would never happen though. Is there an alternative method of dealing with these parasites without costing the community money?

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#17648 - 01/05/09 07:11 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
Woland Moderator Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Butterz

Personally I believe they should be forced into military.


I wonder what our esteemed military members will think about having a non-functional to cover their back...

I guess labor-camps is the natural alternative?
This way the homeless will pay their way instead of being a burden upon decent people?
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#17649 - 01/05/09 07:21 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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That coming from a 22 year old, who claims that his occupation is a “Rock star,” makes me suspect bullshit.

First of all, if you are living with your parents at that age, then you are also a “Parasite.” However, I don’t know your personal history, so I can’t say for sure, but it’s something to consider.

These days in society, with many people living from pay check to pay check, it’s not impossible for many of us, to lose a job, and eventually find ourselves homeless and perhaps living under a bridge.
In many such cases, if we have our mental health, that situation would be most likely temporary.

I’ve known several people, who for some reason or another can’t hold a job, and take care of themselves. Frankly, I believe most of these people could have held a job, and would have been able to take care of themselves, if handouts, such as food stamps, and public housing and medical care wasn’t available to them.

When I worked for the Veterans Hospital, all of the ones that ended up homeless time and time again, had serious mental disorders, because they were provided with housing, but managed to fuck it up each time.

My main point is, that I feel that most homeless people, who remain homeless for long periods of time, are mentally ill. If that is the case, then they wouldn’t do too well in the military.

You may chose to exterminate them if you wish, however, you better be willing to pour the cocktail for them yourself, because I wouldn’t do it, even though I also find beggars, and homeless people a pain in the ass.
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#17650 - 01/05/09 07:28 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Woland]
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When I said "forced into military" , I was going on the stand point of they're still people and it's not thier fault they are homeless. In my ideal world they would be given the choice to redeem themselves as worthy humans, or die like a parasite.

Setting up labor camps would be a good decision. Theres alot of plantation work around that goes to the migrant workers.

I just think it's bullshit they want to waste funds on inprisoning these people. The city just passed a 1% increase on sales tax. I know its not a big increase, but it's thought that I am being forced to help these people who refuse to contribute to society. The sales tak here is 7% ,but if I go into the city where the stores I like are, I have to pay 8%. I know lifes not fair and all of that.

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#17651 - 01/05/09 07:35 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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Just to clear things up, My occupation as rock star is meant to be humorous. Yes at 22 I live with my dad. We split the bills and both of us benefit from the situation. It's not that either of us depends on the other, just financially it makes sense. If one of us becomes ill or some unforeseen thing happens, we won't end up living under a bridge.
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#17652 - 01/05/09 07:37 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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 Originally Posted By: Butterz
Setting up labor camps would be a good decision. Theres alot of plantation work around that goes to the migrant workers.


Jeeezzz, I have met more intelligent rodents than you.
How about learning to read & write for starters?
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#17654 - 01/05/09 08:49 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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How about just leaving them alone and letting them live their lives, for better or for worse?

It's my opinion that they have a certain bit of freedom that the rest of us do not have. You and I have a paper trail and a number and whatnot. The homeless are totally off the grid and off the radar.

No one has to give them money. If they are standing around begging and a few people give them a few dollars, more power to them. I used to rake in the dough in junior high school with the "I just need fifty cents more to buy lunch" scam. I betcha their survival skills are vastly superiour to your own.

As has been said, military is a bad idea. It's never a good idea to force someone to learn how to kill and then put a gun in a bitter and unwilling hand. And I don't think labor camps are such a great idea either because you still have to deal with the fact that most of the homeless are schizophrenic or have some other sort of mental disorder. Do you really want to babysit a bunch of schizos all day? Seriously? You would have to make sure they got their meds or they wouldn't be able to function and it wouldn't be their fault because they would be where they were because YOU put them there.

Are you a closet Nazi? I wonder because I know of another dude who had similar ideas and it seems to me that since racism seems to have run it's little gauntlet in your brain, you are working now on new and better Aryan ideals.

In a world of survival of the fittest, I don't see where it makes sense to give assistance or to interfere. In the words of the most well known hippies of all time, "Let it be." If they fleece a few sheep, so be it. They will live or they will die, and either way it will be of their own design no matter which way it goes.

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#17655 - 01/05/09 09:05 PM Re: Homeless [Re: ceruleansteel]
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People who support them should be ticketed. If they want to throw away their money, than they can also support the rest of the scum of the earth. They should be completely cut off from what they are not entitled to. Some will die off and some will decide that if they don't start fending for themselves, they will quickly join the others. Problem solved.
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#17660 - 01/05/09 11:28 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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I am about 30 days away from being homeless. My wife lost her job 3 months ago due to no business. I don't know if the company is even in business anymore. I lost my job 2 months ago. After 15 years of dedicated service to them. I came in as a delivery person and warehouse manager of a warehouse the size of a 2 car garage. Over the years, I did such a good job for them I came to be the purchasing agent as well. I was there as the company grew to eventually 3 seperate warehouses, of which I was in charge of and a crew of 4 persons. I was a victim of my success. I was let go because "I made too much money". We have applied for what few jobs pop up. We have been on interviews. After this long period, we have burned through what little savings we have. If I am lucky, I will be able to cover all the bills this month and still be able to buy food, gas, stamps for the bills, etc. I am now eating into what remains of our retirement account (thanks to the stock market debacle) to survive. Once that is gone, we are broke. We can't sell the house, since the market sucks ass. So we will go into foreclosure, file for bankruptcy, lose everything we worked for for the last 20 years together, and may end up living under that same bridge. Be careful what a wide canvas you choose to paint and how broad you generalize. Some of these homeless did not deserve it. Some are not mental patients fearing aliens and inner voices. Some are not meth heads. Some are victims of this economy and are willing to bust ass to make it through it, if given the opportunity.

I won't even touch your comment about compulsory military service. That might send me into homicidal rage.
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#17664 - 01/06/09 12:11 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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I’ve shared food with these “parasites”. I’ve lived in hotels with them, I’ve waited in day long lines with them, I’ve fought with them, and bought dope with them, and once I went to a funeral for one.
Your gross over-simplification and astoundingly stupid solution to what YOU determine is a problem that affects , oh sorry, irritates, you, displays a complete lack of understanding or insight.
There are as many ways to find yourself homeless as there are to get rich, and it is far easier than just maintaining your middle class status. Meaning, you are closer to it than you think.
Many are homeless by choice, and many are mentally and physically sick and they have just fallen through the cracks.
Sons and fathers and brothers and daughters that no one cares about or remembers.

Sleep under that bridge for a week on damp concrete with a shit stained towel for a blanket, with the true knowledge that if you don’t wake up one morning no one on earth will notice.
Mandatory military servitude. Unfuckingbelievable.

I fully agree that a good percentage are lazy, stupid, and chemically dependant, and no one enjoys a panhandler, myself included, but here are real solutions to this real phenomenon. They won’t be solved by pontificating from a cozy computer desk though.

I have stories that would flip your wig, but I’m not going to waste them here.

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#17665 - 01/06/09 12:14 AM Re: Homeless [Re: fakepropht]
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keep your chin up FP. something will break sooner or later, and an opportunity will happen. youre a survivor.
and a mean gambler.

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#17671 - 01/06/09 01:37 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Bacchae]
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I can't say anything better than my colleges already have, but I must also openly express my disgust for Mr.Butterz and his supreme display of idiocy. Please, please, stop typing. Your "contributions" to this forum are less than worthless.

And, yes, chin up, FP. You're a fighter.
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#17673 - 01/06/09 01:54 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Bacchae]
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The main point I was trying to make is there has to be a better solution that jail for these people.

I agree that there are some who just had a bad run of luck, some addicts, some lazy. The real problem is why the effort to increase funds available to the jail when the shelters are in dire need of funds also. The city raised taxes to jail innocent people. It's not just here I have heard that this is a common solution.

I wouldn't mind a tax increase if the funds went to a shelter program, put the addicts in rehab, or put the mentally unstable in a safe place.

My statement on military was towards those who just don't try. I will admit it is on the radical side. As far as living under a bridge, done it. When I was 15 I ran away with four friends and we stayed under an old overpass. We lasted a week, it sucked.

Fakepropht- I am sorry to hear about your situation, but think of this: You lose everything and live under a bridge, then a cop comes along and says your going to jail in X amount of days unless you quit being homeless. That's seriously messed up.

I am aware I can't solve this problem in a forum. I could, however, go to a city meeting. I was thinking maybe one highly intelligent elitist here would throw out a good idea. It seems as if the people here would rather just bicker about whether or not to wear your Pentagram in public, than discuss an actual issue.

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#17674 - 01/06/09 02:02 AM Re: Homeless [Re: blsk]
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“People who support them should be ticketed.”

That has got to be one of the most idiotic ideas I have ever heard in my life. Why should it be illegal for someone to do that? If someone wants to give money to a homeless person that should be their decision. Do you really think making that illegal will get rid of all the homeless people?
Hell, why not just make it illegal to be homeless. It pretty much is already, but maybe, just maybe; if it is clearly stated in some law book somewhere that it is illegal to be homeless, then people will just stop being homeless.

“ If they want to throw away their money, than they can also support the rest of the scum of the earth.”

If they want to throw their money away, I have a garbage can they can throw it in. Who is the “rest of the scum of the earth”?

“They should be completely cut off from what they are not entitled to.”

So let me get this straight. You think homeless people should be cut off from money, food, clothing, shelter etc. because they are not entitled to it? Please, tell me, why are they not entitled to it? Is it because they don’t already have it?

“ Some will die off and some will decide that if they don't start fending for themselves, they will quickly join the others. Problem solved.”

That is the reality of it right now. The problem certainly is not solved.

There are some people that are just too lazy to work, there are some that are incapable of working. I myself spent a good year riding freight trains around, doing the hobo thing. I tried to find day labor when I could so I could have money to keep myself going but sometimes I had to resort to panhandling. I met several kids who weren’t too lazy and didn’t have any mental condition making employment impossible. Most of them just rejected the idea of materialism. I myself ended up in that situation because of some unfortunate events, but I had little fun with it.
I am sure everyone has heard the same lines from these people over and over again. Things about being a vet, or something similar. While some are indeed lying, there are those that are telling the truth.

I’ll admit is annoying when I reject someone who asks for spare change and they say “god bless you”, as if it is going to guilt trip me into changing my mind, but forced military service and these other half assed ideas are even more annoying to me. You yourself could very well end up in that same boat. I think you would be singing a different tune then.
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#17683 - 01/06/09 03:06 AM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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FP, you got somewhere to crash for a long while, I'm not rich, by any standard, but I've got the room... just don't be all weirdo... or better... don't be all "normo"... and like I may have said, if you know some plumbing, or electric work, go on brother. Even if you don't, you know what I mean.

You'll never be homeless, just don't stay too long!!!!

I got my own shit goin' on... I just can't see one of my brothas and family in hard times.
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#17684 - 01/06/09 03:11 AM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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(So let me get this straight. You think homeless people should be cut off from money, food, clothing, shelter etc. because they are not entitled to it? Please, tell me, why are they not entitled to it? Is it because they don’t already have it?)

-Cut off from handouts. They should not get what they do no earn for themselves. And no, spanging is not earning. Satans sake I thought that was pretty self-explanatory.



(There are some people that are just too lazy to work, there are some that are incapable of working. I myself spent a good year riding freight trains around, doing the hobo thing. I tried to find day labor when I could so.......)

-...and so on and so forth. High five for you! Yah, peoples conditions suck. Boo fuckin' hoo. If life is so bad they can go jump off a fuckin' bridge. Quit hassling me everytime I walk out of a building. And the whole having a kid sitting with you thing doesn't work either. I'm not going to train children to beg, as fun as I could make that. Are you done?
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#17686 - 01/06/09 03:27 AM Re: Homeless [Re: daevid777]
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Otherwise, one of my students was homeless for a while... he landed a home... I don't know exactly what kind of a place, a "public restroom" kinda place, and he made it back into going to a trade/business school... enter me.

I gave him rides home almost everyday, he rode the bus to "school" everyday, early as hell... I wanted to ask, but I figured he would have told me if he wanted me to know "his story". He was, in fact, about 100 - 150 pounds easy over me, so I didn't push. He turned out to be one of my best students, wiser, and technically better than most others... he got a job where I sent him on his "externship" ("internship" if you'd like), but it was temporary, seasonal... he was the best, and I wish him the best. I'd like to think he's doing much better, as I don't know why he was "homeless" to begin with...

He certainly didn't fit "my mold" of what a homeless character was "supposed to be". He'd most probably have my back if I ever walked too far into downtown...
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#17689 - 01/06/09 03:43 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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I'd give a serious answer to this if it wasn't coming from the dude that upholds slacking as a virtue. I prefer homeless above you any time.

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#17690 - 01/06/09 03:56 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
Butterz Offline
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I thought pointless posts were frowned upon here. There is a shit ton of hard talk here and not very much follow through. All this bullshit talk about being superior intellectuals and 3 out of 4 posts are "members" posting one liners saying "if you believe that you're an idiot" or "if you don't think exactly like I do than you can't be a satanist". What is the fucking point in coming to a forum if you don't want to discuss issues and such? If all you want to do is diss people just go to fucking myspace or something.
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#17691 - 01/06/09 04:12 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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Are you an idiot or what trailer-boy? Don't answer, I know.

Your posts are below average and of all the shit you contributed, nothing this far gives even the suggestion you are not a worthless piece of shit. Go through your fucking posts and then wonder what the fuck one should think if he reads this stupid "homeless" post from you?

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#17694 - 01/06/09 07:30 AM Re: Homeless [Re: daevid777]
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I've been homeless. I did have a car, though. You don't have to be a moron or on crack - you just have to make a couple of really dumb choices. It's not that big a deal. If you ever find yourself needing a bathroom, a place to relax, and free internet to look for a solution - go to the library. With internet, you can get out of being homeless in about an hour.

and, oh, yeah - some people really, honestly, truly, choose homelessness as a lifestyle. It can be much more fun than you would think!
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#17697 - 01/06/09 09:48 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Picunnus]
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 Originally Posted By: Picunnus
some people really, honestly, truly, choose homelessness as a lifestyle. It can be much more fun than you would think!


You must have had a way different version of homeless than I did. I was homeless for a few months about ten years ago and I thought it sucked ass. I'd take offense to your comment on behalf of everyone who is "for real" homeless, but I doubt it would do any good, seeing as you think it's so much fuckin' fun and all...yeah, it FUCKIN' ROCKS to have to be looked at like you are a maggot and wonder where your next meal is coming from and how you're going to take a shower and whether or not you're still going to be homeless when the temperature is negative eight. That's a freakin' BLAST!

(To Butterz)

okay, you want a solution? Get yourself involved. Instead of looking around for someone else to solve your problem, get your ass out there and talk to them. Find out what their story is and when you find a place where you can be of assistance, ASSIST. If they are so annoying and such a blight, then do something to fix it.

Around here, our homeless "problem" is escalating because it's a factory town and our factories are going to Meh-xico. In the last couple of years THOUSANDS have found themselves suddenly jobless. Some have been able to go back to college and retrain, but some of these cats are simply too old for it. Dudes who start working factories at age 15 and are still there busting ass 50 years later cannot always find something to fall back on.

And this part of the country (which is the same part that you live in, B) is notorious when it comes to education. Fifty years ago, a man didn't have to know how to read or write because as long as he could work, he was golden. And most men started working around age 14 or so, letting their education go by the wayside. My Grandfather got his first job at 12 to support his mother and siblings after his father either died or left, was barely literate, and still amassed a nice little estate to pass on to my Grandma. The plant he retired from - which was paying him about 25 dollars an hour when he turned in his gloves - barely exists now. They've laid off over half the crews and cut work by almost two shifts. Long story short, if my Grandfather would have been laid off, he'd have died. There is no way in hell that he could have ever retrained. His clock number was 103. He had been there since they opened the doors and retired at almost 80 and he knew nothing else.

If you think they are such a freakin' blemish on society, get off your ass and do something to change it. Trot down to the bridge with a plate full of sandwiches and find out what they have to say. You may find that they are "deficient", that's true, but you may also find that some of them are hard-luck and just need someone to give them a freakin' leg-up for a minute so they can get back on their feet.

And if you think they are full of shit and just too lazy or something, well at least you can say you were there and you can say that you did SOMETHING. As it stands, you don't even qualify to have an opinion on the subject.

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#17701 - 01/06/09 11:13 AM Re: Homeless [Re: blsk]
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"Cut off from handouts. They should not get what they do no earn for themselves. And no, spanging is not earning. Satans sake I thought that was pretty self-explanatory."

Did I say spanging was earning? No, thats is right, I didn't. You still fail to explain why it should be illegal for people to give them money if they should so choose to do so.


"-...and so on and so forth. High five for you! Yah, peoples conditions suck. Boo fuckin' hoo. If life is so bad they can go jump off a fuckin' bridge."

Keep your damn high five to yourself, I wasn't asking for one. Not everyone kills themself because times get hard. If you are tired of being hassled everytime you walk out of a building maybe you should jump off that same brigde. It sounds to me like you are complaining about how bad your life if.

"And the whole having a kid sitting with you thing doesn't work either. I'm not going to train children to beg, as fun as I could make that."

Where is that coming from?

"Are you done?"

I suppose I am, for now, but you are still a dumb ass!
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"some people really, honestly, truly, choose homelessness as a lifestyle. It can be much more fun than you would think!"

That is very true Pic. I met alot of them in my travels. As much as it sucked getting camping tickets in Golden Gate Park and other places I did still have quite a bit of fun.


Edited by 6Satan6Archist6 (01/06/09 11:31 AM)
Edit Reason: Responding to Piccunus
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#17706 - 01/06/09 08:17 PM Re: Homeless [Re: ceruleansteel]
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No one ever made me feel like a maggot - and I did have fun, and I was homeless for over a year. Maybe you're just not as resourceful as I am. It CAN be fun to wonder where your next meal is coming from - but only if you're good at procuring your next meal.
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#17707 - 01/06/09 08:38 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Picunnus]
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I don't give a fuck about the homeless. If someone does care, good for them. Let them care enough to do something.

The only point at which I start to care is when I think of all my 'tax dollars' that goes to pay for druggies drugs, and alkys booze. If they abolished welfare I don't think I'd ever give it another thought.


At least up until the point if effected me personally, at which point I would FUCKING DEAL WITH IT.
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#17714 - 01/06/09 09:44 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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Personally, there are distinctions between the kinds of homeless people I see.

There are the ones that we've discussed, the mentally handicapped, the crazies, the ones who can't afford meds or don't even realize that they need them.

Then there are the ones that--like FP is in danger of becoming--phased out of their homes because of getting the bad luck of the draw and a pink slip to wipe their ass with when the tp runs out.

Then there are the ones who made a few bad decisions, because they didn't have the smarts to last in the real world for long after moving out of the 'rents place. They drink themselves to sleep every night, and hassle you for change at the 7/11. They kinda like getting the free food, clothing and shelter from the charities, because their basic needs are being taken care of, and everything else is just gravy. I object to coddling them, as we are wont to do in my neck of the woods, by setting apart public property for them to erect donated tents upon, creating an eyesore in the middle of downtown. Bums chase away customers.

Now, I'm all in favor of donating to programs that take care of homeless groups #1 and #2. However, the crazies and handicapps should be taken care of by private charities (usually funded by churches) and the ones who've been shat on by the economic crash should be buoyed by public funds. Because it's not THEIR fault they're SOL, just like in FP's situation. The goverment created this mess we're in, and funds to support group #2 should come from taxes.

That is my take, at any rate.
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#17716 - 01/06/09 09:55 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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The only point at which I start to care is when I think of all my 'tax dollars' that goes to pay for druggies drugs, and alkys booze. If they abolished welfare I don't think I'd ever give it another thought.


Well first off, not all homeless people are on drugs...And I agree, we shouldn't have to care about the homeless. They can worry about themselves without us having to add more stress to our lives worrying about the needy. And they should be trying to help themselves instead of relying on others also. However, every time I see those commercials on TV about the starving children in 3rd world countries I do feel bad to some degree. However, this is only because they can't get out of their situation, unlike the homeless on welfare who can try to find a job and a place to sleep. Although you do bring up a good point when you said you would "FUCKING DEAL WITH IT". Perhaps the ones who's lifes will never change should learn to deal with it. But if there's a chance for them to somehow get our of their situation, whether it be people's donations or welfare checks, I think they should go through with it..I'm sure they don't care that they're using your tax dollars.
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#17720 - 01/06/09 10:08 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Mike]
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Well first off, not all homeless people are on drugs

Well thanks for pointing that out, captain obvious!

Think about this a second. Not all dogs are pitbulls, but all pitbulls are dogs.

Of course, not ALL hopeless druggies are on welfare, but the fact that they are unemployable means that the overwhelming majority are.

Honestly I don't want to be forced to pay for anyone else, regardless if they have a home or not. Taxes are theft. Welfare is theft.
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#17722 - 01/06/09 10:16 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Mike]
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“I agree, we shouldn't have to care about the homeless.”

We don’t have to care about the homeless. If you feel obligated to “care” about the homeless you are the one putting that burden on yourself.

“They can worry about themselves without us having to add more stress to our lives worrying about the needy.”

If worrying about the needy adds stress to your life; don’t do it, or do something to alleviate that worry.

“ And they should be trying to help themselves instead of relying on others also.”

Self reliance is an important quality for everyone to learn. No one likes a freeloader.

“whether it be people's donations or welfare checks, I think they should go through with it..I'm sure they don't care that they're using your tax dollars.”

I personally feel that drug testing should be mandatory for all people who receive welfare. Many of us have to pass drug tests in order to get the job that earns the money that pays into the welfare system. It only seems fitting that the ones benefiting from it should have to do the same.
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#17727 - 01/06/09 11:02 PM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I personally feel that drug testing should be mandatory for all people who receive welfare. Many of us have to pass drug tests in order to get the job that earns the money that pays into the welfare system. It only seems fitting that the ones benefiting from it should have to do the same.


Now THAT is a good idea. If an honest man cannot earn an honest wage without a drug test, people getting money for free should have to do it as well.

But who's gonna pay for that?

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#17733 - 01/06/09 11:37 PM Re: Homeless [Re: ceruleansteel]
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The same people that pay for all social programs: the people actually generating the capital.

Whether they want to or not.


With that said, and knowing the tax man is going to continue to steal from us all (read:those of us that work) for a seemingly indefinite stint into the future. I think taking such a measure would cost 'us' less than letting them continue to drug out on a free buck. And for those that are using welfare for its intended purpose, a transitory state to get back on ones feet, a drug test should be no problem. After all, how serious can they be about bettering their situation if they are on drugs?
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#17734 - 01/06/09 11:44 PM Re: Homeless [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Most people here seem intent on keeping their tax-dollar out of the hands of the "weak"...

How about the other, and in my book more important ways said tax-dollars is spent?
Politicians lunch and dinners?
Politicians wages?
Lunch, dinners and wages for the monstrous bureaucracy we are feeding?

Could it be that it is sooooo much easier to pick on the victim, than to pick on the bully?

What percentage of tax-dollars spent on welfare, actually ends up in the hands of applicants?

Only to piss in your drinking water...
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#17735 - 01/06/09 11:46 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Woland]
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If you have read many of my posts (including posts from this thread) you would know that I think taxes are theft, period. It's all stolen money.
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#17736 - 01/06/09 11:49 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
If you have read many of my posts (including posts from this thread) you would know that I think taxes are theft, period. It's all stolen money.


Dear Dan Dread...

You might have missed the fact that I was asking a general question.
I was not addressing your oh so Bakunish self...

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#17738 - 01/06/09 11:59 PM Re: Homeless [Re: ceruleansteel]
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"Now THAT is a good idea. If an honest man cannot earn an honest wage without a drug test, people getting money for free should have to do it as well.

But who's gonna pay for that?"

I suppose that the tax payer would end up funding the program. As a way to further reduce the waste of funds there should be something else implimented where if someone who applies for welfare fails the drug test; there should be a mandatory waiting period before you can re-apply.
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#17740 - 01/07/09 12:02 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Woland]
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Well, as one out of two people that was talking about taxes as it relates to people receiving it in the form of welfare, I could only assume you were talking directly to me, at least in part.

You made me google 'bakunish' and it turned up nothing. Bakun turned up nothing. My spellchecker doesn't like them.
At this point You could be either comparing me to a hydroelectric dam in Malaysia or a monster from 'dungeons&dragons'.

Either way, I'll assume it's a compliment \:\)
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#17744 - 01/07/09 12:25 AM Re: Homeless [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Theft...er taxes, I mean.

On a positive note... a few very short stories - (sorry)

One night I was walking into a convenience store, and this elderly black gentleman asked if he could watch my car for me, while I was inside... I thought, that's a pretty good marketing strategy (even though I could see my car from inside the store). I came out, and he proudly stated that everything was A-okay, my car was fine. I paid him for his service, a few dollars I had on me. Either he was quite resourceful, or someone paid him mind, and a few weeks later, I saw him negotiating traffic and helping out with the parking situation at a local night spot... I think he even had on a safety vest...

Another time I was going into a store, and I saw this very old looking man (okay, he had a beard like ZZ-top, anyway, all white) sitting outside, and he asked me for some change, he was sitting with a younger man in fatigues, who kinda looked like he needed some prescription medication. I told him I'd meet up with him after I got my stuff. I was buying some beer and other crap, so I threw in two 24 ouncers and a couple of refigerated sandwiches. I came out, gave them both a beer and a sandwich, and about two bucks each. The older guy was very surprised, immediately opened his sandwich, turned to the younger one, and exclaimed "I'm done." They moved on. All he wanted was some food, a beer, and a couple of bucks.

I don't exactly have a point to either of these stories, sorry. I would like to argue that I don't think any of the aforementioned characters considered their situations "fun".
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#17745 - 01/07/09 12:28 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Coulda been worse, Dan... he could have been calling you Bukakkish...

But to get on the subject, homeless peopleare homeless for a variety of reasons, and while I agree it's a pain to have to feed them, there are places where the charities try, such as in San Francisco. It's all through private donations at places like St. Anthony's. Does it do any good? I don't know. There were a hell of a lot of homeless when I left.

But I do have to say that I have had a positive brush with a homeless person. My first day working in San Francisco, on Van Ness, I was on top of the world. It was about 7:30 AM and I was walking toward work with the other commuters. Had on my best three piece suit... my trench coat was open and whipping in the wind, was carrying my leather brief case and WHAM!!!!! I stepped on some wet leaves in the park across from the City Hall and landed flat on my face.

The commuters stepped over me or around me. I wasn't hurt, but I was stunned. One of the old homeless people that lived in cardboard near there shuffled up to me and helped me up, brushing me off. He said, "You ok, sir? Hell of a fall. Can I get you some help?"

I told him I was ok and looked him in the eyes. I'd been hungry and I'd been broke, and I'd been pretty down on my luck. But would I have done what he did? I don't know. I shook his hand and said thanks, and he turned to walk away. He didn't ask for my help, but I grabbed a $20 out of my wallet and said, "Hey... you dropped this." He took it, and I went to work.
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#17761 - 01/07/09 02:15 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Well, as one out of two people that was talking about taxes as it relates to people receiving it in the form of welfare, I could only assume you were talking directly to me, at least in part.


Most participants in this thread has been mentioning welfare and/or tax-payers money, (as well as the obvious idiocy of Butterz).

 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread

You made me google 'bakunish' and it turned up nothing. Bakun turned up nothing. My spellchecker doesn't like them.
At this point You could be either comparing me to a hydroelectric dam in Malaysia or a monster from 'dungeons&dragons'.

Either way, I'll assume it's a compliment \:\)


It is a compliment, and its not a compliment...


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#17770 - 01/07/09 04:28 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Jake999]
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My partner works with homeless, amongst other subjects of human nature and it doesn't work out too well. It's only a minority that gets back on their feet, most just end where they started anyways. In many cased being homeless is just a matter of conditions. You wouldn't believe how many guys lost it after a divorce. wife and kids gone, alcohol to fill the gap, work gone, cash gone, house gone, lady alcohol please save me and you're pretty much on a roller coaster to doom. Not many escape the cycle. To a degree the difference between being homeless and societal success is just a matter of luck. Some bad luck at the right moment and you're pretty much on yourself. We don't have the safety-nets any longer where family or friends help you out on a rainy day. We tend to be more and more individually isolated and while it has its advantages, it does have its drawbacks too.
Once you're homeless and in debt, you're pretty much fucked. Debt has this nice little gimmick; it keeps growing, even if you do jackshit.

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#17929 - 01/10/09 02:24 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Woland]
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 Originally Posted By: Woland
Most people here seem intent on keeping their tax-dollar out of the hands of the "weak"...

How about the other, and in my book more important ways said tax-dollars is spent?
Politicians lunch and dinners?
Politicians wages?
Lunch, dinners and wages for the monstrous bureaucracy we are feeding?

Could it be that it is sooooo much easier to pick on the victim, than to pick on the bully?

What percentage of tax-dollars spent on welfare, actually ends up in the hands of applicants?

Only to piss in your drinking water...


That is actually a very valid point. Often times the amount of money spent on corporate welfare outweighs the amount spent on normal, or "civil", welfare.
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#17930 - 01/10/09 02:46 AM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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(Could it be that it is sooooo much easier to pick on the victim, than to pick on the bully?)

-Well anyone you pic on is a victim, so how do you mean it here? Anyways, we are talking about the "victims" because that is the topic of this thread. If you want to pic on the "bully" as you put it, would be for another. But I wouldn't rightly call the homeless victims any more that any other person by any means.
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#17931 - 01/10/09 03:39 AM Re: Homeless [Re: blsk]
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 Originally Posted By: blsk
(Could it be that it is sooooo much easier to pick on the victim, than to pick on the bully?)

-Well anyone you pic on is a victim, so how do you mean it here? Anyways, we are talking about the "victims" because that is the topic of this thread. If you want to pic on the "bully" as you put it, would be for another. But I wouldn't rightly call the homeless victims any more that any other person by any means.


Well; not quite at the level of "Butterz", but a nice try.
I will not rip your argument completely to shreds.
It seems that you are quite capable of doing so yourself...

I will fondle a bit though...

Anyone you pick on is not a victim.
You might try to victimize someone or something,
but it is by no means certain that you will succeed.
You might end up victimized yourself...
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#17941 - 01/10/09 10:19 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Woland]
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Well, two cents on homelessness....

I grew up in Washington DC in the 80's. This was the height of 'Homeless Crisis.' Google Mitch Snyder. I spent a lot of time on the streets because this was also the height of the DC punk rock and hardcore scene and was a punk kid with no responsibilities.

In subsequent years I have lived in NYC and Baltimore. From my field research the homeless fall into a few categories and, of course, some fall into more than one category.

There is the Old Hippy. These guys didn't know that the Summer of Love was a scam to justify otherwise criminal behavior. I think a of the crap that went on in the 60's was just a feeding ground for users and abusers to take advantage of an otherwise very naive generation who were coddled by their Greatest Generation parents. The Old Hippy just didn't know when to get off the bus. While his compatriots had the good sense to become Yuppies and join the 'establishment,' the Old Hippy is still fighting the 'The Man.' Have fun with that. And don't ask me for shit!

Of course, we also have the Homeless Vet. In general, see above. A lot of these guys are just faking it. Others were losers when the joined the Army and only returned back to their sad state after couple years of service. Most of these guys are not combat vets. Nearly all were shit bags when they were in service too. I have known more than a few guys who couldn't get their act together after they left the Army and most of them didn't have their act together when they were in service. Again, don't ask me for shit!

This now brings us to the Junkie. Back in the old days we use to call them Winos. All of these guys have some sort of substance abuse problem. Do I really need to elaborate on why they are on the streets? The only thing I can say to them is "Don't ask me for shit!"

The 'Homeless' Criminal. These guys actually have a home. They spend their time time between various half-way houses and men's shelters, and their real home - jail. Essentially, they are so fucked up that no body wants to deal with them. These guys are also fully responsible for 100% of the aggressive pan-handlers you will encounter in most any city. This is my favorite sort of homeless because I truly enjoy torturing them.

In general, I don't care about the homeless any more than they care about me. The homeless certainly offend my sense of aesthetics but the are free to exist in any public place they choose. They are fundamentally free people.

In fact, given their complete lack of responsibilities it could be argued that they are more free than you average person with job, a car, a house, and some kids.

It is not a crime to be poor or homeless. It does not pick my pocket nor break my leg. However, where the homeless are bringing down property values or making public places unusable by the people who are paying the freight, 'we' do have compelling interest in moving them along.

However, I do not like pan-handlers. I hate aggressive pan-handlers. Pan-handling so offends my aesthetic senses that I usually can't help but insult pan-handlers. Aggressive pan-handlers usually get suprised by completely unnecessary and brutal beat down. When I say "Don't ask me for shit!" that means leave me alone. Woe be to he that does not heed this warning.

As the prophet says "The poor will always be with you." This is human nature.

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#17945 - 01/10/09 12:44 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Fist]
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The 'Homeless' Criminal. These guys actually have a home. They spend their time time between various half-way houses and men's shelters, and their real home - jail. Essentially, they are so fucked up that no body wants to deal with them. These guys are also fully responsible for 100% of the aggressive pan-handlers you will encounter in most any city. This is my favorite sort of homeless because I truly enjoy torturing them.

Somehow this little text magically let a smile appear on my face for a certain reason. Maybe because the honesty written in it?

About homeless, thus far in my life I've never been homeless luckily. It can change if I fuck things really up or have had some bad luck. So I can't give an opinion about "being homeless".
But like fist stated; there are different kinds of homeless people. The ones who had really bad luck, the born homeless criminals etc..
However I do feel a bit sorry for the homeless people who became it by bad luck or some things let them down, I don't help them or will not give them a little footstep. This UNLESS I happen to know them very well or am very sure how they ended up within thier current position. Why? Because people can lie and can put up a sad story which can give one tears in their eyes. And I'm not the kind of guy who gives away some of his energy for free to help those in need who don't deserve it. And since there's always doubt...
Maybe quite rude in some good do-ers eyes, but honestly I don't give a fuck. It's my human instinct/nature.
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#17967 - 01/11/09 12:13 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Fist]
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Then there are the "true" homeless vets... maybe we're not seeing so many now, but perhaps in the 70's or 80's. This time may come again. People who are literally fucked in the head, who couldn't hack what happened or rationalize anything.

I could place them in the same category as the "truly insane" homeless person. They might not be actually using any drugs at all (although some might actually benefit from some sort of "medication") - undiagnosed "schizophrenia" comes to mind. Given the prevalence of available alcohol in our "society", I wouldn't doubt it if they became drunks.

Fist, what I especially enjoyed in your post was your conspicuous absence of "judgement". Just "Don't ask me for shit.". No reason for anyone to get entangled with someone else's business, and that goes both ways.

I also want to clarify my previous posts, so I don't come off like some kinda schmuck - the "military dude" and Mr. "ZZ-top" weren't asking anybody for anything... they were just hanging out at the front of the store, which happened to have a table and some benches. The ol' black dude was innovative, and perhaps he really thought he was doing a service of some kind - otherwise, great strategy.

I don't give to the "aggresive" homeless. The aggresive pan-handler that walks up to you and asks for "change". I am not about to be bothered like that, and I usually use a card to fill up on gas anyway, so "sorry, I'm broke".

I have had people come up and start washing my windows, and that's okay, for the most part. If they did this when my wife and children were in the car, it might be a different story.

Honestly, here, we don't have much of a "local" violent homeless type. A long standing joke has been that there is lithium in the water supply - maybe so, I wouldn't doubt it. Besides, although I'm not some "He-man", but I'm big enough and vigilant enough to make these fools think it wouldn't be worth their time to try anything stupid.

I do appreciate that there are other places where this may not be the case, and knowing that, your thoughts are most likely warranted.

I don't know what could be done. I don't know if this is a "social problem", or "individual choices". I think both.
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#17968 - 01/11/09 02:10 AM Re: Homeless [Re: daevid777]
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They need to make the shelters safer, and cleaner.
For those that want it.

2 kinds, homeless by choice, homeless by misfourtune.

By choice, there is nothing you can do. Some are crazier than a bedbug, and you just avoid them.

By misfourtune, well, you decide.
I give the old black woman sleeping on the street with her cart some money, but not hte young pan handlers who could actually work.

The most fucked up one was the chick acting blind one day with cane and the day before was playing a drum on the same train line.

The ones in ny well, you just have to be careful because over the years they have pushed people at random infront of trains.

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#17969 - 01/11/09 02:39 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Morgan]
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(They need to make the shelters safer, and cleaner.
For those that want it.)

-Who is "they," and why the fuck should they?!


(The ones in ny well, you just have to be careful because over the years they have pushed people at random infront of trains.)

-Which is exactly why they should be allowed to starve. Worthless, stray cattle killing what were most likely productive people.
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#17971 - 01/11/09 06:40 AM Re: Homeless [Re: blsk]
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Productive people what's that? Joe Six-pack working his shift and nicely paying his taxes? Is that productive?

I actually found the idea of the homeless pushing the productive in front of a train amusing. I think I'd even give the dude 20$ to have a drink, if not only for showing the world didn't stop turning at all.

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#17976 - 01/11/09 09:56 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
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Oh, crap. You guys got me thinking. I forgot a few.

The Crazy. Yes, truly crazy people. These people really do have problems. It usually goes down like this. They have mental health issues. They can't maintain a normal life. They end up on the streets. They get into some sort of trouble, because, well their crazy. They get sent to a state mental hospital. The docs get them on meds that pretty much control their mental problems. The see a social worker and get on SSI. They get sent to a half-way house or shelter. After a few weeks of feeling 'normal' they stop taking their meds. They then fall back into the same cycle. You will see a solid cadre of these guys in any Veterans Hospital in the US.

And, how could I forget The Hustler. These guys actually don't have a problem. The are full time panhandlers. This is there job. They have various come-ons and props but in truth they make a living just asking people for money. Actually, they are not doing anything that every church in the country is also doing. They make their moron patron feel good about themselves and get paid for the service. However, they usually have a few tell-tales that betray their true status. It is sort of like watching a bad a magic show. My wife use to run this short-con herself when she was a kid in a large train station in DC. She would always say she was on a field trip from Baltimore and she missed the tour bus back home. She was 'just' $9.00 short to get a train ticket back to Baltimore. She had cute pixie like looks and usually made her mark. Google "professional panhandling" there are a ton of links and article about the profession.

There is a sucker born every minute....
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#17977 - 01/11/09 10:38 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Fist]
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Fist, that reminds me. Several months back the local paper had a journalist out interviewing the bums that sit at intersections with their sad-story signs, offering them jobs to get them off the streets. One panhandler that was interviewed gave the journalist a weird look and told him, "This IS my job". That pretty much says it all right there. I've also heard of people that drive to busy intersections in their BMW's, park behind a building, and con spare change out of passerby, only to hop back in after a few hours' work. I guess it's the thrill of it, or something, because if you drive a BMW, you sure as hell don't need the chump change you'd get from bumming.
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#17978 - 01/11/09 11:42 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Nemesis]
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Panhandling can be a pretty lucrative business if you are good at it. I have known people that take in a few hundred dollars a day. I recall one day in particular I made a few hundred dollars not even trying. It was just outside Folsom; me and my traveling companions were taking a break from walking in this grassy area that was right outside the parking lot of some shopping center. We were just sitting their telling jokes and playing guitar not even trying to panhandle. Long story short we ended up getting about $250 in the span of 30 minutes without any solicitation. Eventually some cop showed up, and thinking we were panhandling, kicked us out of the area. I think if more people knew just how prosperous being homeless can be if one puts in the effort; they wouldn't feel so inclined to take pity on them and shell out money to every homeless person they see.
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#17980 - 01/11/09 12:15 PM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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That's why I never give money directly to bums. I'll be damned if someone's going to make a living off of my generosity and hard-earned money. For one thing, they're probably just going to spend it on cigs and booze. I've been approached by bums at the 7/11 by my house, specifically asking for a couple bucks so they can buy cigarettes. I told him I don't smoke, and got in my car and drove off. It also just encourages them to keep bugging people for handouts. I think it should be illegal to give bums money directly, instead donate it to charities and missions where you know the money will be better spent on clothes, food and other necessities. That is, of course, if one actually gives a shit about the homeless enough to donate money to them. Which I don't. ;\)
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#17982 - 01/11/09 01:02 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Nemesis]
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Again, I don't think it should be illegal to give money to the homeless, whether it be directly or indirectly, as it is a personal choice. Just as much as it is your personal choice to not give them money. To me it is the same thing as someone else saying it should be illegal to not give them money. However, there are many places where panhandling is illegal. I am now beginning to wonder if one could recieve a ticket for giving a homeless person money in an area where panhandling is prohibited. You would think that it would happen because if panhandling is a crime then giving them money, in affect, makes you an accomplice to the crime. As far as charities or missions are concerned; you don't really know that the money is being better spent. The same goes when giving it directly to the homeless person. They may say they are going to spend it on food, or medication etc. but you have no way of proving that is what they spend it on. That is unless you follow them around and make sure it gets spent on what they say it will be spent on. Who really has the time for that though? I have had quite a few ask me for money specifically for booze or cigs. I respect them for their honesty but still I generally do not like to support the habits of others. Although I do give money on occasion, usually to traveling kids because I have been in that situation before and can sympathize. As a rule I tend not to give money because I am broke myself, but I take each on a case by case basis.
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#17990 - 01/11/09 03:29 PM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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There used to be a guy who was outside of the office I worked in on Van Ness in San Francisco. He sat there every day with a sign that said, "HOMELESS VET. WILL WORK FOR FOOD."

I'm a vet. I ran the office. I walked up to him one morning and said, "Hey, I'm a vet too. If you want work, I'll put you to work as the office runner and copyroom guy. It'll just be minimum wage at first, but once you're on the payroll, and if you apply yourself (I mean, really... how hard is it to apply yourself as the office runner and copyroom guy... I could guarantee you a raise in two months. " His response, "I don't want a fucking job."

I told him I was going back to the office, and if he was still there when I came down for lunch, he'd better be gone. He was.
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#17994 - 01/11/09 03:52 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Jake999]
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That is pretty lame. Not only is the guy trying to play on human sympathy by claiming to be a vet, but also advertises he will work food then returns your offer for a job with a statement like that? When I was homeless I did work when I could and often times when people would ignore my request for spare change I would ask if they could spare a job, with all seriousness. I never got any offers but I would have taken it if I had got one.
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#17997 - 01/11/09 07:22 PM Re: Homeless [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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So I guess we're meaning "homeless and jobless" when we say "homeless" in this thread? Because the one doesn't necessarily follow from the other.
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#17999 - 01/11/09 07:43 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Picunnus]
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Job ==>income==>housing

No job==>no income==>no housing

It all flows quite naturally. I guess there is the exception of people that hold down jobs while also being homeless, but that would be quite difficult, and the types of jobs one could do in that scenario would be very limited.
On the flip side, it is very hard to maintain housing without a source of income. If by 'job' you also mean 'income' I would say that they do, in fact, follow from one another.
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#18001 - 01/11/09 08:00 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Actually, there are a lot of homeless people who are day laborers (the ones who want to work, that is!). They take their pay in cash at the end of the day and undoubtedly fritter it away in the bar later than night. Some also have jobs via the missionaries, probably through temp agencies. So yes, the jobs they can do are very limited (think: illegal aliens), but it's still possible to work and be homeless.
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#18004 - 01/11/09 09:14 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Nemesis]
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Ok. Temporary day labor is something different again. You could also classify squeegee guys and panhandlers empoyed by this rational.

But an ACTUAL job? Highly unlikely. The lower paying food service type jobs demand at least a certain level of hygiene which is difficult to maintain without a bathroom. And in the event that someone is responsible enough to get to work every day at an actual job, the chances of remaining homeless once the bread start flowing in is remote;because if you are responsible enough to hold down a job the chances are you possess a measure of responsibility and are not a drug addict or insane.
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#18009 - 01/11/09 09:46 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Regardless of why they are homeless, the arresting has begun. So anybody who pays taxes here, or shops locally, is paying to incarcerate the homeless. Even though it will only be a night or two in the slammer. Most likely they will return to be homeless and get arrested again. The cops will be exceeding their arrest quota and there will be less homeless beggars on the street at a time. I guess everyone wins.It's "inhumane" to let them die and unreasonable to help them. It seems the same people who didn't want them under the bridge don't mind a tax increase to feed these people. I guess when the jail is filled with all the homeless we will just let the criminals go.
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#18063 - 01/13/09 12:24 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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Actually, the shit you pay taxes for is shocking.

One time, at band camp, I fired a $10,000 missile at something just to watch it die...

The total cost of Obama's one day coronation will cost several million dollars when all is said and done. And I am suppose to be concerned because some hobo might get an extra PBJ in lock up?
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#18064 - 01/13/09 12:33 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Fist]
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Agreed. Tax dollars are wasted everywhere it seems. Every dollar spent on something pointless is a slap in the face from good ol' uncle sam.
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#18107 - 01/13/09 12:40 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Fist]
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Thank you. Fist.

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#18110 - 01/13/09 01:18 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Fist]
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Sorry for the one-liner but I have to ask it out of curiosity...
How was it like? And on what did you shoot?
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#18119 - 01/13/09 04:19 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dimitri]
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I am less ired by how my stolen money is spent than the fact it was stolen to begin with. Even worse, people get upset when you refer to it as theft. Our whole society suffers from Stockholm syndrome.
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#18121 - 01/13/09 05:20 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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But Dan, if you say OUR society, aren't you suffering Stockholm yourself? ;\)

Been in ze army for close to 6 years or so, protecting the West against the Russians. Popped mighty much ammunition into nothing at all and boy, did I love that.

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#18122 - 01/13/09 07:08 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
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But Dan, if you say OUR society, aren't you suffering Stockholm yourself? ;\)

Hah. I guess that could be true. I wouldn't say I sympathize with the criminal gang that we are supposed to recognize as our legitimate masters, though. Also I wouldn't say that 'they' are really part of society..rather a parasite that drains blood from it.

But I am taking an active part in reclaiming it, as even you are \:\)
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#18149 - 01/14/09 03:58 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Oh but I'm not reclaiming it.

I don't think our leadership is wrong, it's just that the whole fucking society is a mess. Our masters are the right people for such a society.
Compare it with a car that is built by carpenters. The thing totters across the road and many think that if they only would get a new steering wheel, things will be ok. I think you should get a big sledgehammer and obliterate the car. Maybe you'll have to walk for a while after that, maybe the next will be build by painters, very maybe by mechanics but no matter what, destroying the current car is the only option if you don't like how it totters.

That's why, in reality, I'm not too bothered about politicians. Since a couple of years, I apply my 'principle of most harm' when voting. Whatever fucks things most gets my vote. It seriously all doesn't matter. Voting for improvement is gambling on hope, voting for degeneration is a guarantee.

I'm also not too bothered about homeless. I know their stories pretty well and even when I don't deal in compassion, many of them can't be described else but tragic. I find it humorous that some won't give them cash because they will use it for booze, as if a working man spending his cash on booze gets more credit than a homeless. Why?
Ever considered the idea that the homeless might be the ones living in reality and that we, in our sheltered hyper-realities, might not even have a clue what goes really on? To a degree I even have respect for some of them. You need to be a tough motherfucker to be able to live on the streets for years. It's not unlike living like we did in the past; food, shelter and survival as a priority in life. We already find it an accomplishment if we go to the gym for an hour or so a week. We're really suffering there, getting the man out.

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#18178 - 01/14/09 02:28 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
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Oh but I'm not reclaiming it.

Oh?

 Originally Posted By: Some guy that looks a LOT like Diavolo, some months ago,

Oh, and the stop paying your taxes argument; wrong guy to use that argument against; I quit paying income taxes some years ago. ;\)


You are indeed doing your part to starve the beast.
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#18180 - 01/14/09 02:39 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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But it's not because I don't pay taxes that I'm starving the beast. Unless I put all my cash in a sock and keep it there.

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#18181 - 01/14/09 02:41 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
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Well paying your taxes is feeding it. Not paying is ?

Participating in the economy and giving cash directly to the criminal gang are separate things. The first is good for society, and by proxy, good for you. The second, not so much \:\)
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#18184 - 01/14/09 02:47 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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So you know who starves the beast most? The homeless. They don't work, don't pay taxes, don't consume and only drain cash. In fact, they could be regarded as the only true anarchists in the system.

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#18185 - 01/14/09 03:03 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
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Way to steer her back on topic chief!


Although what you say about them no contributing to the problem of 'government' is true, they indirectly participate by assisting in keeping the welfare system alive. I shouldn't have to explain why that is desirable(to the agents of the state) to have multi generational poor people dependent on the system.

Ideally, the anarchist should both be able to stay afloat financially by his own hand, as well as not giving the 'devil' what he thinks he is due.

You already don't pay taxes. I don't know whether or not you support black/gray unregulated markets or not, but I suspect you would based on what I know of you. That's already 2 out of three. If you stop voting, you are essentially ALREADY an anarchist \:\)
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#18187 - 01/14/09 03:26 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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If you stop voting, you are essentially ALREADY an anarchist;


No need to insult me mate. ;\)

Actually the homeless are more powerful than they realize. In a system, those that have it all and those that have nothing are in reality the most powerful forces. The fact that they support the system by being dependent upon it is not that valid if you compare it to the productive part that is hugely dependent upon the system. Do you know people with credit or home-loan debt that feel inclined to get upon the barricades for anything? Debt is the ultimate control tool. No matter if there are death squads or if your government becomes tyrannical, ff you got debt, your only concern is gather cash to make sure they don't take your stuff away. One is what one owns. Even if you start a small business, it is so perfectly constructed that to make more cash, or to pay less taxes, you have to get loans and invest, resulting in enslaving yourself more and more.

I know the black market yeah, hell I'm a Belgian, we practically invented that shit. I don't buy that much stuff any longer, I never was that big into possessions but if I need something expensive, I find it through the mazes in the system, dodging taxes upon it and mostly making a good deal because half of that shit did disappear in some factory. I know, hell awaits me.

But I'll keep voting. I sure will.

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#18193 - 01/14/09 04:23 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Diavolo]
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I’ve had the pleasure of meeting a few individuals, who dealt in the black market, under the old Soviet Union. Their stories are truly inspirational.

One guy ran a bar. He would sell about 75% of the alcohol that the “State” provided him with, and for that service, he would get a salary, just like “everyone” else, who worked for the “collective.
Yet, he would buy about 25% of the alcohol himself from a regular store, or a distributor, and sell it in the bar, keeping the profits for himself. Once the Soviet system fell, he was able to put a lot of money into legitimate business ventures.

A barmaid that I knew, turns out had dozens of slot machines hidden in her basement, collecting dust while the Soviets were in control. I forget where she got them from originally. When the government collapsed guess who had the finances and equipment to open her own little “Shit in the wall” type casino business?

It is also interesting to note, that many of the people who became filthy rich, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, were the individuals, who were part of the government itself, during the Soviet Union. They were able to buy up property held by the goverment for the equivalent of pennies, and a few years later sold it millions of dollars worth to Western interests.

Meanwhile, the ordinary citizen, “Sheep” who believed in the “collective,” and also believed that the system would take care of them, once they were used up, ended up broke, discouraged, and struggling, when said system collapsed.
There’s a lesson in there somewhere.
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#18194 - 01/14/09 05:24 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Asmedious]
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The black market is a world in itself. It's everywhere but most people just don't realize it.

I know this dude...

This is more than a decade ago.

He starts with buying one CD-burner. Then he thinks, hmm such a bargain, why not buy one and sell it for a profit? Before he knows it, he's selling complete boxes, 10 a time. Then they offer him HiFi-equipment, televisions. After a while, he has some sort of network, they call him with what they have, he calls around and see whom wants it. Buy at 1/3th of the price, sell at 2/3th. All benefit, things go fast. Before he knows it he is getting crazy offers, steroids, cars, you name it. Truck drivers bribe clerks in Italy, load more than the papers tell, they stop somewhere, he unloads and delivers. The systems are so smooth, none ever notices. Not unless he start to pile stock.
Then they begin to ponder about intercepting complete trucks, they meet, plan, have their insider, need to find a buyer, work out the practical part and suddenly rationality kicks in for a second and he decides that this is a turning point, risk, cost and gain suddenly shift immensely.
He decides it isn't worth it any longer and and quits it all.
Greed can be ones downfall.

It's happening all the time, most just don't see it.

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#18334 - 01/17/09 12:00 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Dan_Dread]
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if we are going to get technical there is a substantial amount of people we see or think of as bums, but actually return at night to semi permanent apartments, hotels, halfway houses, etc. i like to call these people half-bums. they display all the characteristics of homeless, yet are not.

anyway. this topic is now completely played out and boring me to tears. just wanted to throw that in.

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#101561 - 07/15/15 08:32 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Butterz]
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They should be forced into the military? So what if they wouldn't qualify for military based on illness... example: asthma, then how would then being rejected for those medical requirements fair on their situation? Military won't recruit that kind of liability...

Personally I've slept in my car for six months while working grave... luckily may I add my vehicle was already paid off but parking and receiving a knock on my window after napping for two hours was tough. The particular area where I was living halfway in was hot during the summertime(90 or so inside my car). This humbling experience brought insight into how peoples perception changed despite having a job, a wayward individual falling on hard times doesn't necessarily mean they don't hold a work ethic or indulge in illegal substances. Sometimes this just becomes a series of harsher events or obstacles one needs to rise from.

Numerous medical problems arouse but after leaving my home area I was able to becomes successful. Never thought of being homeless the same or felt I should place preconceptions upon those I've never spoke with before.

I guess one day a bank account might hit zero.. because now that's all it takes... numbers in a computer.
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#101588 - 07/15/15 06:43 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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My mother left my physically/verbally/emotionally abusive father just before I turned 5 and we became homeless because my mum was unemployed and we couch hopped for 2.5 years and were living on the poverty line until I was about 14. My mum went to university and became a teacher. We now live comfortably in my opinion (I would be out on my own, but my health has been failing of late).
Don't judge where you haven't been mate, you might say this, but maybe you should walk that life; people don't choose it.
Homeless people are dealing with issues I highly doubt you understand.
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#101594 - 07/16/15 02:29 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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I'm not too sure how my previous post was misinterpreted but let me clarify homeless people I wouldn't consider subhuman and/or scum, hard time can hit anyone even the rich go bankrupt.

advocating that not all homeless individuals are drug addicts or have a poor work ethic was the main message here.

Not too sure where this was misconstrued?
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#101615 - 07/17/15 06:08 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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Hmmm, sorry bro. I didn't have time to read the full post. So I just read the last couple of pages.

My bad. \:\/
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#101622 - 07/17/15 09:21 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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I have. One can still have a house and it not be a home. It accounts for so many so-called displaced people that Build them a home on their own terms.

A few pages back, these oh so bothersome people have been called the real free men, I tend to agree with that.

As a person who lived in plenty of houses but didn't have a home until I made one, I speak from personal experience.
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#101634 - 07/18/15 04:53 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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It's alright but upbringing seems to play a large role in this whole thread overall. Some who feel those can deemed lesser due to a person's basic appearance are shallow (IMO) to assume so much about a person's life based on appearance, not to mention a good example of this; James Eads How, an American orginizer who chose to bum around due to the simple adventure and danger the lifestyle came with, attempted to change the perception of a homeless person. He also organized hobo colleges, conventions and other activities. The term 'hipster hobo' could be debated but interestingly enough overall living a lifestyle such as being homeless would always be a challenge no matter how much is in your wallet.

On a side note he died in 1930 of pneumonia and starvation. }:/

There's a vice documentary about a wealthy hobo but can't place it, watched it a while back... wish I could site it.
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#101647 - 07/18/15 02:57 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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I have worked with the homeless in the past. Out of a hundred people I saw in the course of a day about twenty were down on their luck or the working homeless.

The rest were either on drugs, batshit crazy, a drunk, or had just given up.

The stereotype exists for a reason and anyone who claims it is just superficial has next to no experience with the homeless.
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#101648 - 07/18/15 05:08 PM Re: Homeless [Re: FemaleSatan]
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The stereotype exists for a reason and anyone who claims it is just superficial has next to no experience with the homeless.


You're damn right about this one. My father once tried to help a homeless woman who was kicked out of the shelter for drinking. He met her weeping at the bus stop when he came back from the dancing club. She told him one chap invited her for dinner and she had only one glass of wine. My father, reckless as he'd always been, took pity on her and took her to his house.

I spend my holiday there. The woman was so lazy that she did nothing except eating, drinking, sleeping and doing crosswords. When I was making myself breakfast or a dinner, I made her one too because she never ate unless someone prepared her food. It was really bizarre. She didn't want to do any housework. My father once asked her to go to the forest and pick up some berries. She didn't want to because there were too many mosquitoes there.

Finally, my father found her a job. One guy was looking for someone willing to take care of his elderly mother. He offered a decent income and a separate room in his house. She went for an interview and was accepted. The mother was quite old, yet she could walk and didn't require feeding. She wasn't in diapers like my grandma. So all she was required to do was cooking, cleaning the house, washing the dishes and feeding the farm animals. They had a goat and some hens.

She didn't work even a week because she was doing nothing. The elderly mother had to cook and wash the dishes all by herself while she was just sitting and reading a book.

So she came back to my father and spent her days doing nothing while at nights she went to his neighbor to "watch TV" and she came back in the early morning.

Finally, my father asked his friend to take her back to the shelter by car. He packed up her things while she was crying and begging him to let her stay. It was a sad spectacle to watch.

It happened a few years ago. I'm sure they are some homeless who had just bad luck but they usually stay in the shelter, don't drink and try to find some job. However, the minority of the homeless stay in the shelters, at least in my country, because drinking is prohibited there altogether. Others don't even want to go there. They prefer to live in the streets and drink.
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#101653 - 07/19/15 01:03 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Czereda]
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I do also agree with what is being said here also. Whenever I am giving things to the homeless; I make sure it's always food (being fruit - usually bananas; lots of carbohydrates and toothless people can eat it too) (or a high energy and calorie drink like Up & Go). I never, ever give money, just say I have no cash. Because I know that drugs and grog is what it'll be spent on.

Ice (crystal meth) is a huge, huge problem in my town with addiction levels between 5-25% depending on where you get stats from. Grog is also a massive issue.

I know that my mum was an exception to the rule, and we were lucky to be mainly couch hoppers. And we were down on my luck; my mum, me (I was between 5-7 at the time) and my baby sister. So we worked hard and went without a lot growing up (though it didn't feel like it) and got out of it. My mother is an amazing person who always kept us kids happy while she was trying to figure out how we could eat that night while working minimum wage and studying.

It is sad to see though; and I do make sure I also look after my health, most of the homeless here are beggers and so stick around busy areas like the train station and main street in the morning and then move around and follow where people go. I only ever give food to people in populated areas where people are bustling around me. I'd never go down an alleyway or anything.
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#101656 - 07/19/15 03:26 AM Re: Homeless [Re: FemaleSatan]
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there are many categories of homelessness here's just to name a few: drug addict, mentally ill(schizophrenic), street punk, thrill seeker, manic depressive... ect. I would agree there are people who have no work ethic and while depending on geographical location all these titles above may vary. Where I lived a few months back in California near the coast we had a huge mentally ill population of homeless mainly due to LA literally busing them up to Santa Cruz( which in my opinion made Santa Cruz worse) but... I guess the overall message I'm eluding to is stereotypes don't capture the holistic picture of being on the streets.



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#101657 - 07/19/15 07:02 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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I understand what you mean Blood Ceric; a lot of those catergories/reasons for homelessness often overlap as well. (Like the schizophrenic who self medicates with drugs - and Coke is a big one in that situation). There is a meaning behind every behaviour.

I've faced the risk of being homeless in the future (I have schizophrenia and require the assistance of a service dog - for which I am training a young German Shepard bitch for this role -as I have the bad habit of running onto roads when I see certain hallucinations).

Getting a job while suffering from certain illnesses that make enough money to live off is next to impossible; as while employers say that they're EOE (equal opportunity employers) that is bullshit.

I've also found that a lot of homeless also have cancer which is heartbreaking :'( <//3
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#101663 - 07/19/15 10:13 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Blood Cleric]
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Slow down man I never said they had no work ethic, I said the stereotype exists for a reason. It takes a lot of work (read panhandling, day labor, etc ) to keep a crack habit going. I would say for the majority of homeless their priorities are different than the average person.

If you were hungry and had five dollars would you by food or alcohol? For most homeless they will spend the five dollars on their vice of choice and jump over to a feed later.

Painting a holistic picture of life on the streets is impossible. You have to of experienced it to understand.
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#101664 - 07/19/15 11:20 AM Re: Homeless [Re: FemaleSatan]
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Exactly that.

It is often an issue of priorities.

Addiction plays a huge role.

Moreover, often it turns out that an addict will refuse treatment fully-well-knowing that rehab can be a pretty nice place to stay... some of these places are like summer-camp. It's like vacation - I've considered developing a serious chemical dependency, if only to have a month to myself... there's better things in life, though.

Ok, I'm not a huge fan of dropping names and interpersonal relationships as it borders on "doxing". But my lil bro - total crack-head... well... he's basically normal, just happens to like crack, as-in alot! Who am I to judge? I like puffing.

He has a place to stay with the fams, but under the condition that he can't bring his "friends" to their house, and can't bring girls around. So he just decides "fine, then I'll sleep in a tent behind the strip mall with them, because they have no place else to go"

It makes no sense to me... but I guess there's some sort of crack-head-honor which lends itself to staying the night in a tent with your ilk when you know full well you have a warm bed waiting for you and you alone.

Some people are just "wired" differently, and some people have "issues"... but I think it's true of anyone - they'd rather be house-less than home-less. (home is where you hang your hat) ;\)



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#101672 - 07/20/15 12:03 AM Re: Homeless [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Drugs play a huge role in it. My dad's side of the family are a tight knit (and huge!) Maori/Pacific Islander family in NZ's North Island.

One of my cousins got addicted to crack and crystal meth (ice) when he was 15; he fathered 4 children to different mothers and just went off the rails.

My family is one based off of respect and in particular, respect for your elders. So they tolerated it as his mother (my aunty) had also battled addiction (to alcohol) and still was.

That was until he ripped off and robbed my great aunty and uncle and mine, and his, grandparents who'd cared and doted on him since he was a baby. He is now completely outed from the family and no one is permitted to have contact with him.

Addicts will do ANYTHING to get their fix. And that can make them very dangerous. And they will starve just to get it, like Female Satan said.
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#101698 - 07/20/15 10:58 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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Addicts will do ANYTHING to get their fix. And that can make them very dangerous.
Yeap. Well, "untrustworthy" is how I'd put it. Their priorities get all sorts of scrambled - it happens.

Have you ever been walking in the morning and seen a huge patch of fog, and, for the sake of exploration, decided to go walk right into it? As it turns out, the fog isn't as opaque as it seemed to be from far away once you're up in it. It isn't only until you've left it that you realize what you've been walking in. I suspect this is the case with anyone with a serious addiction - mentally.

It's incredibly hard to evaluate one's mental state in the present. 20/20 hindsight.

Then, what happens ()once out of the fog) is they remember all the shitty things they've done as-in an ominous "don't worry about getting in touch with your feelings. They will get in touch with you" type-of-deal. This is often too over-whelming to confront sober... so___ the cycle continues - and it's back into the fog ulit (again)

'Happens all the time. \:\/
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#101699 - 07/21/15 12:31 AM Re: Homeless [Re: antikarmatomic]
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curiousity killed the cat in a lot of cases (of individuals I know). Plus people don't understand unless they've been there. However; you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. I think that forcefully putting people into rehab when they're not interested is a waste of time.

People will just go out and reoffend so to speak if they are not ready to deal with the scenarios and situations that put them in that spot in the first place.

Sometimes addicts (once they are "cured") are able to help other addicts. A friend's brother was addicted to the Ice (the most addictive and strong form of crystal meth) and he was sent over the other side of the country to go to rehab, made it, now runs a few different rehabilitation clinics all over the region.

I also have a personal acquaintance of mine who was a crack and herion addict and now runs and owns a huge publishing house.

Things can get better for addicts, however it is a lot of hard work and commitment and people (the addict) has to be ready for that and preferably have a strong support system.
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#101702 - 07/21/15 02:02 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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Plus people don't understand unless they've been there.


You can have 'been there' and still think addicts are a bunch of weak willed pussies. I think they should just quit and stop making excuses why they can't. The Sick Boy method works wonders.

The recovered? Often, they're better off on the fucking drugs. Many that recover turn into these annoying god fucks that think their codependency addiction is the cure all for their lack of moderation. Then they must share their experience and 'help' others because that makes up for everything. The same self deceptive faux altruism as religious missionaries.

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#101703 - 07/21/15 02:35 AM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Aside from taking addicts and other degenerates kids away from them and a eugenic policy across the board for fuck ups and retards people should be able to do as they damned well please. Redemption is not a theme patently owned and perhaps some opportunity should be afforded to people.

Thamkrabok monastry provides such an opportunity, the catch is you only get to go once ever in your life. Responsibility to the responsible, nothing more and nothing less. The amount of people addicted to victim complexes, savior complexes or just greedy corporate tycoons called non profits, the entire model of 'helping someone' is fucked up.

Existence itself is intoxicating but if people want to be treated and recognized as individuals they should live and die, succeed and fail based on the choices they make. If this includes not being able to come up to an answer as to why being a heroine addict for X amount of years might not be a positive life choice... It is not a fucking wonder one coming from said place emphasizes the importance of life experience.



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#101706 - 07/21/15 03:22 AM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Plus people don't understand unless they've been there.


The recovered? Often, they're better off on the fucking drugs. Many that recover turn into these annoying god fucks that think their codependency addiction is the cure all for their lack of moderation. Then they must share their experience and 'help' others because that makes up for everything. The same self deceptive faux altruism as religious missionaries.



I don't think you really understood what I meant Canis. I was using examples of people in MY personal life and experience who have made a name for themselves.

Trust me, no one is more put off by the victim mentality than yours truly. It is one of my pet hates and I refuse to associate myself with victims. Especially victims who have no reason to be. I am sick to death of complaints about how someone's life is. Trust me, you're barking up the wrong tree if you think that I'm a victim sympathizer.
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#101707 - 07/21/15 06:49 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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Fair enough, but I did understand you.

For full disclosure I used your statement to blast recovered addicts because they remind me of born again Christians. The save the world types. Especially when they have that incessant need to "help" (save) others. It is highly distasteful to me. Influenced by no personal vendetta whatsoever.
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#101709 - 07/21/15 10:39 AM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Personally, I think that there is value in at least understanding the mechanism(s) of addiction, as these too are part of the human condition.

It's not too dissimilar from how I'll rig up an old computer, deliberately get it infected with malware, and just study the malware's behaviour for grits and shiggles. This is, of course, playing with fire; but you learn a lot really neat tricks - if coding is your thing.

Similarly, one can learn quite a bit about human behaviour by either spending any amount of time in the company of addicts, or, for a time, becoming one themselves. This is also playing with fire, though.

The AA types, however, seem only to trade one form of supplication for another - I have a bit more respect for the unrepentant addict, myself. At least they're not kidding themselves.

There's this book that I keep plugging - it is not a very read, but it is easily one of my favourites: "Infinite Jest". Like yours truly, the author rambles and goes off on tangents. The central premise is, essentially "entertainment as a primary motivating factor in human behaviour" - good, bad, or indifferent. 'Worth checking out.


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#101720 - 07/21/15 03:14 PM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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The recovered? Often, they're better off on the fucking drugs. Many that recover turn into these annoying god fucks that think their codependency addiction is the cure all for their lack of moderation. Then they must share their experience and 'help' others because that makes up for everything. The same self deceptive faux altruism as religious missionaries.


Dunno Canis. I think you're painting with too broad a brush. My cousin's wife was a drug addict when young. She was also homeless for some time because her mother kicked her out of the house. She told her she could come back if she agreed to go to the recovery center. She enjoyed her unlimited freedom for some time but soon the lack of money, food and, most important, drugs started to suck ass. Not to mention that all her party friends turned their backs on her. So she came back home and agreed to go to the rehab. One day, her friend whom she shared the room with died on her arms. It was a turning point for her.

She now has work, family and children. By no means, she's trying to save the world. She told me her story but it was damn interesting. I sort of admire her. She was down in the gutter but managed to get up. It's not easy to fight addiction.


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#101722 - 07/21/15 06:48 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Czereda]
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Yeah, I am painting with a really broad brush, but nothing has yet convinced me to put it away.

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I don't buy it, I didn't find quitting to be difficult, and I don't find their stories the least bit inspiring.

They all have that same bad luck gutter story. They lose this, then that, then finally face mortality as their loser fucking drug friend overdoses. Now they have their precious 'wake up call' and decide to make a change... if they're not too much of a whiny pussy to do it.

Then, on top of that people treat it like they're not fully responsible for their addiction and their sobriety is some sort of fucking accomplishment to be praised.

Drug addicts in a nutsell.
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#101723 - 07/21/15 07:02 PM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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I took a shit this morning.... Can I get a pat on the back ?

I have no problem with the overcoming of life's struggles or the idea people should seek redemption. If their life arrives at a point where life sucks shit. I also reckon there is something to the idea of undergoing suffering and being transformed by the experience.

But the use of anecdotal personal testimony, to say THIS WORKS... Is a bullshit premise, or everyone would be sucking off of Jesus Juice from his hairy nipple. Chairty might help many homeless or people hard on their luck... Would that excuse some organizations spending more than half of their donations on advertising ? Not counting wages and operation costs ? Is that a wise decision if people are in the buisness of being empathetic rather than making a buisness of empathy.

Same shit with this, for every success story there are multiple addicts that will never quit and have no interest in quitting. They will destroy their lives in a drug fucked calamity that is their life. So giving them all the universal brush of addict, is a pointed victim card.... An excuse to legitimize their own irresponsibility.

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#101724 - 07/21/15 07:22 PM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Then, on top of that people treat it like they're not fully responsible for their addiction and their sobriety is some sort of fucking accomplishment to be praised.


Well... I'm not saying she wasn't responsible for her addiction. Actually, she blamed nobody except herself. As stubborn as she initially was, she realized her mistakes and stopped making excuses.

And yes, overcoming addiction is an accomplishment, just like overcoming all other obstacles in your life, whether external or internal ones. It's not the matter of expecting praise or a pat on the back from others. It's a personal victory over your own weaknesses.
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#101725 - 07/21/15 07:34 PM Re: Homeless [Re: Czereda]
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And yes, overcoming addiction is an accomplishment, just like overcoming all other obstacles in your life


Sure, it's like driving headlong into oncoming traffic and then thinking it's an obstacle overcome when you get your car fixed.

It's not an obstacle that should be considered an accomplishment to overcome. It's one the addict placed there, which in my mind nullifies their accomplishment. If they want to think they were overcoming weakness, that's fine, but for every 15 that thinks it is commendable there's a cynical asshole like me that thinks their pathetic for even thinking it was a legitimate obstacle to begin with.
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#101735 - 07/22/15 12:38 PM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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 Originally Posted By: CM
there's a cynical asshole like me that thinks their pathetic for even thinking it was a legitimate obstacle to begin with.


I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss it as cynical. I think it's more realism. I mean c'mon, 'you' as the obstacle isn't exactly a new premise. It would be like slapping yourself in the face then saying your arm is the thing in your way.

 Originally Posted By: Czereda
It's a personal victory over your own weaknesses.
This sort of thinking permeates the world over. It's just another carrot to chase. It's not as if it's limited to that self gratifying feeling that you've done *something* great for yourself. It usually runs in tandem with receiving praise from others.

Where do you think it would rest on Maslow's Hierarchy?

Most of the time addicts/homeless are motivated by others in relation to their needs. Closer examination may show that what they believe their needs are, are actually the needs of others.

In your given example:
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She told her she could come back if she agreed to go to the recovery center.


She was motivated to Mom's ultimatum.

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It was a turning point for her.


People rarely share their most intimate and true feelings/thoughts - even with their closest friends and family.

For all you know, she may have enjoyed her drug of choice more than any of that stuff, content to fade to black for the 'Ecstasy'. You'll never really know with certainty.
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#101744 - 07/22/15 03:13 PM Re: Homeless [Re: SIN3]
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The only reason recovery is an accomplishment is because the person was weak enough to get addicted. It's now the 'higher power' they are bowing to. The shift in priorities shows that.

And yeah, I know genetic predisposition blah, blah, blah but there are plenty of people with the same shit that don't get addicted. My life has never gotten to a point where I said, 'ya know I need some crack today.'
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#101745 - 07/22/15 04:53 PM Re: Homeless [Re: SIN3]
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This sort of thinking permeates the world over. It's just another carrot to chase. It's not as if it's limited to that self gratifying feeling that you've done *something* great for yourself. It usually runs in tandem with receiving praise from others.


Come on. Who doesn't like receiving praises from others?

There is a difference between recreational use of drugs and addiction. She gave in to her mother's wishes but she had a choice. She could live on her own, she could starve, she could prostitute herself, she could die like many other drug addicts. There is always some choice.

Like that homeless woman my father tried to help. She could work and even quit being homeless but she chose another way.

Sure, it was her fault she got addicted in the first place but it is also some sort of achievement to get out of it. How many people end up defeated by the shit they got themselves in?
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#101750 - 07/23/15 01:23 AM Re: Homeless [Re: FemaleSatan]
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And yeah, I know genetic predisposition blah, blah, blah but there are plenty of people with the same shit that don't get addicted. My life has never gotten to a point where I said, 'ya know I need some crack today.'


Exactly, a lot of people need to take accountability for where they are at in life. For example, I'm aware I have an addictive personality (through what I've seen in my family; cousins (all of them), aunties, uncles, grandparents, great aunts/uncles and my dad) all battling addictions of some sort. So I don't engage in addictive behaviours. I'm the boring bitch who doesn't drink excessively; take drugs or gamble. My best friend is in the same boat having seen both of his brothers succumb to addiction of Ice and alcohol. He's one of the healthiest people I know.

People need to be more responsible for themselves. Boo hoo, you have an "addict" gene?; no one cares. There is no such thing as a "Sentence" in life. Yes, some people have it tougher than others but people really need to grow up and make a difference themselves.

Got the "addict" gene? Don't engage in addictive behaviours; or engage in positive behaviours; go for a run with your dog, whatever.

It's not that hard of a fucken concept.

I have the utmost respect for those who are legitimately TRYING.
But for people who just want attention? No. They're psychic vampires. They're no good. Come back when you want help please. Until then, goodbye and good luck. That's what I say anyway.
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#101828 - 07/27/15 03:50 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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the "addict" gene?

I have a genetic predisposition for heart disease. Would it be an accomplishment if after eating junk for decades I have a heart attack, and then start taking care of myself? Or would it be a, "about time, you were warned" type situation? What makes addicts any different than me with my genetic affinity for plaque accumulating in my arteries. Is the day I start eating rice cakes like a sobriety date?

Now by AA logic I deserve some kind of party for every year I go without cardiac problems. Then I can parrot something along the lines of, "it works if you have the capacity to exonerate your behavior and claim it's not actually your fault."
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#101829 - 07/27/15 04:46 AM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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It is all a game of getting the right amount of Dopamine everyday.
And indeed there are a dozen of ways to get that peak.

Ending on the street sitting on the cold pavement experiencing that warm fuzzy feeling when the heroin takes hold of you, at a point like that it takes immense energy to look at your miserable self with the eyes of somebody who is sober.

The trick is, to find something that creates that Dopamine peak and at the same time makes you stronger every day.

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#101831 - 07/27/15 06:08 AM Re: Homeless [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Ok, the word gene probably should've been in "" marks; I agree and see my mistake there. Genes are a certainty; I have dark brown hair, I have brown eyes and darkish skin from being mixed-race and half Pacific Islander. These things were "decided" when I was a foetus.

What I meant is genetical predisposition, as you suggested it was. Having a strong heart disease and diabetes (type 2) predisposition; if I shove food down my throat 24/7 and constantly eat lollies and drink fizzy drinks; and by 40 have a pacemaker; am an unstable diabetic and a palsy from a stroke, that's brought on by myself.
Instead I eat healthy; exercise intensely for a couple of hours a day to do my best to prevent it.

Meanwhile, out of my control, I was predisposed to certain psychiatric conditions due to family history; so there was nothing I could've done to prevent schizophrenia and severe depression that's left me lain up in a mental health hospital for what will be, months. But there are things I can do to help myself, which I am doing, and that, is the difference. \:\)
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#101832 - 07/27/15 06:27 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Satanic Princess]
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I think predisposition to a physical illness is less complex then an predisposition of a mental illness or addiction.

First there are many substances in case of addiction.
Second is the problem hard wired genetically dis-balance of neurotransmitters or some kind of trauma.

What is most important to success is how well somebody can generate WILL and can bend circumstances.

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#101890 - 07/29/15 10:16 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Stick]
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The experiential and insightful posts on here were very moving. There is a clear difference between someone who pontificates about and lauds their fiscal and organizational accomplishments over the idea of misfortune befalling them. That's a clear detachment from reality and very hubristic.

I've never been homeless in the traditional sense, but I can recall about a five year period that it was a real and monthy threat occurring on a continuing basis. My wife and I left the safety of our parents homes with only the clothes on our backs and about 2,000 in spending money.

We fled to the confines of an "economy" apartment, which was awefully small and way too expensive for us to afford. I made such little money the time and the scenario was the same for my wife. Eating was a miracle that happened solely due to her ability to cook well and also "economically." We could afford no extra things, period. In addition my job is very dangerous and I was getting injured frequently.

The threat of homelessness was happening at the end of each month, with tight budgeting and that looming question mark that always queried our ability to make enough by the day that rent was due. It was a miracle that we stayed afloat as long as we did, and with enough labor we both impulsed out economic mobility.

Now as home owners with better employment we enjoy a more reasonable balance of labor vs income... But that fear always lingers in me, it's a fear that hasn't been foiled yet as homelessness can befall anyone for any reason. This is another adversity of nature that I believe makes us stronger as we struggle against its vitalizing campaign.
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#101891 - 07/29/15 10:43 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Ariavolos]
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Does this count as being "homeless"?... If so, count me in.


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#101915 - 07/30/15 09:50 AM Re: Homeless [Re: Stick]
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 Originally Posted By: Stick
What is most important to success is how well somebody can generate WILL and can bend circumstances.


Indeed. While I've commented that I agree with the premise of the Homeless as more free than your average person. Some are also easy prey for the system . Will can be usurped by an automatic pilot .

The case of Kelly Thomas comes to mind [see also Wiki] .



Even with the video evidence the cops involved were acquitted and found not guilty by a jury. Whether you participate in the system or not, it will precipitate you. The 'people' so often want to support Police regardless if they have the public interest in mind. Might Makes Right. The people en masse empower them. So again, groups increase power ratio.

The only real lasting effect of this case was that it ended some political careers and drew attention to protocols when handling citizens with severe mental illness. Oops, killed that one, gotta do better in the future! Never mind Cop Culture , you don't get to participate in it.
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