I think the most interesting thing about it that on 12/21/2012 the sun will be in the exact center of the Milky Way galax. This is an event that, according to astronomers, occurs once every 45,000 years or so. The baffling thing about it is how the Mayan were able to pinpoint that exact date.

The Sun (and therefore the Earth and Solar System) may be found close to the inner rim of the Galaxy's Orion Arm, in the Local Fluff or the Gould Belt, at a hypothesized distance of 7.62±0.32 kpc (~25,000±1,000 ly) from the Galactic Center.[30][31][32][33]

What surrounds 2012 as far as the Mayan Calendar is the astronomical alignment that only happens every like 40,000 years happening on winter solstice

Are you trying to say the Maya never existed? If there is no record, where did the Mayan calendar come from?

I think the most interesting thing about it that on 12/21/2012 the sun will be in the exact center of the Milky Way galax.

Equation: Sunspot Count = Solar Flares = Magnetic Shift = Shifting Ocean/Jet Stream Currents = Extreme Weather

I think the most interesting thing about it that on 12/21/2012 the sun will be in the exact center of the Milky Way galax. This is an event that, according to astronomers, occurs once every 45,000 years or so. The baffling thing about it is how the Mayan were able to pinpoint that exact date.

This sounds like you believe it...

Why would anyone post when you don't even take the time to research what you talking about or believe in it on any level?

Why because this is a bullshit cop-out just like the tipping thread where you say something stupid and when you see it is not going your way you need to further clarify yourself, right back out of the equation...

PS. If you are of the belief most Mayan records were destroyed... I will go one further for you and say if true then commonsense would say the portion of the Mayan calendar dealing with dates beyond 2012 were simply destroyed......

Now what the fuck were we talking about?

Assume for a second our whole civilization here would vaporize tomorrow and that in two months, aliens land and find my little planner. Do you think they'll worry about January 15 2010 being Doomsday?

Nowhere in any Mayan record does it regard "2012" as an apocalypse. The calendar does not END there, but rather simply starts a new cycle.

And since the Mayans were an astronomical-minded people, and based their calendar on the stars (duh!), so it should come as no surprise that they picked a year of cosmic significance to cap off their time-cycle.

Once you start to take these sorts of things seriously you have lost hold on reality. How exactly do you think these ancient people managed to gain knowledge of the future, when we can not? It is obvious that our science and technology is superior.

you could benefit by replacing your feet onto terra firma, and pulling your head out of the clouds.

I think you watch too many A&E specials. Technology is progressive.

If these ancient technologies are so great, why aren't we still using them? Could it be because they are in fact primitive technologies?

I also recommend you refrain from using obvious fallacies like the ad hominem fallacy in your arguments. It belies your insecurities.

Ancients also thought demons caused illnesses, and leeches cured them.

the mayans stole their calendar and astrological technology from the red bearded white god from the sea.

California is full of modern day mayans with wailing booger machines on their hips, homemade tattoos on their necks, working for a dollar an hour in the home depot parking lot, and not enough sense, ambition, or fortitude to take care of their problems at home, which happens to be one of the most beautiful and resource rich lands on the planet.

I do not believe they have ever, at any point in history, had the capabilities of mapping out the constellations, constructing a calendar, or making accurate prophecies. They didn’t even have the effin WHEEL. They ate humans. They were barbarians, despite whatever romantic myth surrounds them today.

I am sure there are many cures, treatments, technologies, and practices that are ignored or covered today, largely because there is no profit in them.

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So call me a pessimist (or an optimist?!) but sadly, I don’t believe anything will come out of 2012 except some panic, small scale rioting, and a bunch of hype. I am much more concerned with a triple front war in the middle east, the rekindling of a cold war because of bush's missile defense program in russia's front yard, and the pending collapse of the dollar.

By commenting on 'my insecurities' to add muscle to your argument, you are doing exactly what you are accusing me of.

If you don't like Mexicans mowing your lawn, write your representative or vote for the National Socialist Party.

You have a lot of funny beliefs.

Originally Posted By: Bacchae
the mayans stole their calendar and astrological technology from the red bearded white god from the sea.

Quetzalcoatl... and the confusion of "Cortés" being "his" return.

The Germanic Peoples sacrificed people to Odin on a regular basis. They chose victims that were intoxicated and full of warmth and good cheer. They never knew what was coming: one moment they would be saying "brost," the next moment they would be dragged to a tree and hanged.

The Maya were utilizing the most advanced mathematical system in the world and creating works of art that rivaled those of Greece. While Europe slumped into The Dark Ages, The Maya experienced a golden age.

True, but then again, if they had a "golden age" why do I not see them as wealthy persons in this modern age? If they were that great once they surely must had something to be succesfull that could be used today.

the mayans and aztecs however were lacking certain things that would have been obvious stepping stones to such a sophisticated state, such the wheel.

yes there were these cities and such, and maybe they did construct them, but they did not create them on their own. this was the backwater of the world until the europeans came. erego... fuck the mayans and the sacrificial victims they rode in on. ad hominems a plenty.

hancocks basis for this was in part citing other researchers works, wherein they described this god as a white man from the sea that taught them things, like calendars, but also because of the sudden an utterly unexplainable technological jump they made. one day collecting berries and dancing around a fire, and the next building massive structures and creating civilizations. he also linked them up with the egyptians, under the same circumstances. the mayans and aztecs however were lacking certain things that would have been obvious stepping stones to such a sophisticated state, such the wheel. im going with Atlanteans on this one. and no, not people from Atlanta.

You are coming a bit on my territory now,
as far as I know there weren't real humans sacrified, HOWEVER a doll was made to sacrifice. And this in honour to "German" who was a mythical being linked to rain.

A lot of your arguments are hailing from an ethnocentric point-of-view that verges on racism.

Must have been my Viking brethren... blonde hair, red beard, sea-fairing...

Why not?

And what's so wrong with ethnocentrism? Fact is, no matter how civilized and advanced the Mayas were, the Europeans whooped their ass. While they had a spiffy calender that could *ahem* predict the end of times, the Europeans imported doom directly.

While they had a spiffy calender that could *ahem* predict the end of times

My research refutes this. They hanged people . . . as sacrifices to Odin (Wotan).

You are coming a bit on my territory now,
as far as I know there weren't real humans sacrified, HOWEVER a doll was made to sacrifice. And this in honour to "German" who was a mythical being linked to rain.

So what? I'm a very small tribe to begin with. Do you really think anyone in Satanism is there for the huge and happy family feeling? At best, we're tribalists. It's "them vs us" and even in that, it's "me vs us".

So what? Does that imply I have to think of the Egyptians or Mayas as someone at the same level as us?

Not that I think that highly about our current civilization, mind you.

But I can't put them on a pedestal because they could put rocks on top of another and invented some calenders. They were underdeveloped, we ate them. That's the true story.

Back it up please...
I know Odin hung himself to Yggdrasil and gained the knowledge of the runes by this way. But people actually doing it themselves or at least forced by others... Never came across that part yet. I don't give a damn if your research refutes it. If you claim something back it up. I got my copy of the Edda near me.

History, is a mystery, when you start going back a few thousand years... especially if that culture didn't necessarily "write it down".

People sometimes confuse the Nordic ritual of nailing a man to a tree in worshiping the goddess Freya, insuring bountiful harvests on land and sea. It's thought that the reason the Norse regions so quickly adapted to Catholicism is that when the first priests arrived they were carrying crucifixes, which the Norse tribesmen though to be the equivalent of sacrifices to Freya.

The Viking expansion and exploration dates at least another 1000 to 1500 later. I don't think they had contact with other cultures, at least not with more advanced.

So not being a relativist makes me automatically a racist? Good to learn something new. If you want to experience the hippie feeling that all cultures are equally valid, as are all humans, feel free but you're not going to find much support here.

I can't subscribe to the current attitude that we must embrace everything out there and be ashamed for all we did in the past.
In reality, relativism is a memetic fart and a pretty self-destructive one.

The Vikinger never developed an astrological/astronomical technology, barely had a written language, and knew little or nothing of mathematics.

The Vikings actually did travel to North America via Iceland and Greenland.

to navigate you must have astronomical knowledge. Rudimentary, yes; but they had it.

Go suck a carrot. There, slap a fallacy on that hippie.

You are correct, although I still don't think they rose out of the sea and enlightened the Maya (which was my original point in that post).

Why should they enlighten the Maya? If I find a new tribe which is pretty primitive I'm not feeling the urge to "enlighten" them.

Stupid remark, how do you know they couldn't? That's just an assumption.
And I'm no nigga thank you very much.

And for fucks sake setesh, go read and learn what 'ad hominem' actually means. I realize you probably only stumbled across the list of fallacies last week on some random website and had that 'aha' moment, but you are still using the term wrong.

An 'ad hominem' argument is when you use an argument that focuses on the one arguing the point in an attempt to discredit the point itself.

For instance, if I were to say your argument is crap because you seem like a complete flake, that would be an 'ad hominem' In reality, the two things (your argument being crap, and you being a flake) are separate, but true, statements.

See how that works?

argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

Show me evidence that The Vikinger sailed to Mesoamerica and bequeathed knowledge of the stars and stonemasonry to The Maya and Olmec a thousand years prior to The Vikinger ever entered the world stage. Your argument is flawed and I can only surmise that you're delusional if you believe it.

Back it up please...
I know Odin hung himself to Yggdrasil and gained the knowledge of the runes by this way. But people actually doing it themselves or at least forced by others... Never came across that part yet. I don't give a damn if your research refutes it. If you claim something back it up. I got my copy of the Edda near me.

argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man") consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the source making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.

...you could benefit by replacing your feet onto terra firma, and pulling your head out of the clouds.

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I think you watch too many A&E specials.

Btw, a Mexican-Viking? I suddenly see sombreros with horns.

you simply have not presented any sane, rational, reasonable, or logical argument reinforcing your claims

Their greatest achievements were developing a pseudo-democratic system, judge-by-jury, and drinking mead.

Show me evidence that The Vikinger sailed to Mesoamerica and bequeathed knowledge of the stars and stonemasonry to The Maya and Olmec a thousand years prior to The Vikinger ever entered the world stage. Your argument is flawed and I can only surmise that you're delusional if you believe it.

Anyway, "2012" seems (I just started it, okay?) to suggest an ancient presence here on earth... linked with certain astrological events, etc. All "buried" beneath some of the greatest, strangest "landmarks" of the ancient peoples... with some sceptibility as to actually when these things were actually created, or at least their "foundations".

Anyway, this, combined with some strange astrological shit in the "Gates" book, seem to coincide.

One cultist, known as Old Castro, provides the most elaborate information given in Lovecraft's fiction about Cthulhu. The Great Old Ones, according to Castro, had come from the stars to rule the world in ages past.

“ They were not composed altogether of flesh and blood. They had shape...but that shape was not made of matter. When the stars were right, They could plunge from world to world through the sky; but when the stars were wrong, They could not live. But although They no longer lived, They would never really die. They all lay in stone houses in Their great city of R'lyeh, preserved by the spells of mighty Cthulhu for a glorious resurrection when the stars and the earth might once more be ready for Them.[14] ”

Castro points to the "much-discussed couplet" from Abdul Alhazred's Necronomicon:

That is not dead which can eternal lie.
And with strange aeons even death may die.[15]
Castro explains the role of the Cthulhu Cult: When the stars have come right for the Great Old Ones, "some force from outside must serve to liberate their bodies. The spells that preserved Them intact likewise prevented them from making an initial move."[14] At the proper time,

“ the secret priests would take great Cthulhu from his tomb to revive His subjects and resume his rule of earth....Then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom.[16] ”

Castro reports that the Great Old Ones are telepathic and "knew all that was occurring in the universe." They were able to communicate with the first humans by "moulding their dreams," thus establishing the Cthulhu Cult, but after R'lyeh had sunk beneath the waves, "the deep waters, full of the one primal mystery through which not even thought can pass, had cut off the spectral intercourse."

Well, this is fiction vs. fiction here, but... maybe you could just scratch your balls... if you'd like...

The current year on the Hebrew Calendar is about 5069... Maybe they overslept and missed it.

I plan on waking up on December 22, 2012 and laughing my ass off at the current batch of end of the world loonies. They'll be in good company.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

In a way, life as we know it may very well end. Great Depression II, anyone?

that's easy for you to say, darlin'. Not living in america certainly has it's advantages when america is getting ass-fucked by it's own government.

I just found this interesting.
[*url=http://www.the600club.com/dir/ubbthreads.php?ubb=newreply&Number=18002]http://2012wiki.com/index.php?title=Novelty_theory_(Time_Wave_Zero)[/url*]

Tick-tock tick-tock are you prepared for 2012?

Interesting that you should fuck up a link, so..