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#18164 - 01/14/09 11:11 AM Yankee Rose
Daafje666 Offline
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As most of you know, LaVey ended the Satanic Bible with the 2 words "Yankee Rose"

There are many speculations of what it means and why he wrote it. I'm curious, what is your speculation/theory?
Do you believe it's a clue?
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#18170 - 01/14/09 11:57 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Daafje666]
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Do a little research.

That "secret" has been out of the box for many years.
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#18189 - 01/14/09 03:31 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Jake999]
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Just to be devils advocate here for a second, I have no idea what it means either. The official 'Church of Satan' stance is that he wished the meaning kept secret, and aside from that my best guess is that it had something to do with the song of the same name he (reportedly) often closed his sets with.

Aside from that it has been reported that 'yankee rose' was some sort of ghost ship, but that's all rather vague too.

I'm not even sure if the phrase has any significance at all.
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#18192 - 01/14/09 04:02 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Daafje666]
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Dr. LaVey, had a good sense of humor, and was a bit of a prankster as well. Perhaps his intentions were merely for people to keep guessing.

Or perhaps, it had some deeper meaning to him, and a few others he shared his life with, and he was saying something to those people.

I doubt that even if I could bring him back from the dead, and have him tell me exactly what it means, that it would have much meaning to me, nor would it fill my bank account to its limmit.
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#18197 - 01/14/09 06:29 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Asmedious]
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I think he just slapped it in at the end to add a little bit of mystery to the book.

It probably has some obscure meaning, but most likely of little consequence.
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#18209 - 01/14/09 11:31 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I have always thought that The "Yankee Rose" at the end of the SB had a connection to the way he reportedly closed his sets as well- that maybe LaVey likened creating the concept and writing the book to a non-musical performance, and the "Yankee Rose" was just his ironic way of "Closing the Set"

Also, the fact that people are still guessing about those two words over four decades after he wrote the SB, would no doubt be an immense source of amusement to LaVey if he was still with us today.

Maybe it was a personal experiment to see if the masses could be "confounded and confused" by an external source with almost no effort required- In The Doc's case, two well placed words in a book, with no accompanying explanation did that easily....

It could only have assisted in fueling his enthusiasm for further practical application in Lesser Magic, whatever his original reasons were for placing the words there.
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#18212 - 01/14/09 11:59 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Daafje666]
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To echo Jake, that secret has indeed been out of the bag for years. You just have to spend more than 3 minutes searching wiki. Also, I swear there was a thread about this topic here already. Must have been v1 or v2. Maybe someone with longterm memory can answer that. I know this topic was covered previously.
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#18213 - 01/15/09 12:07 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: fakepropht]
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He also sometimes closed the Cloven Hoof with "Nov Shmoz Kapop?" Secret Satanic message? No. Smokey Stover.
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#18214 - 01/15/09 12:11 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Daafje666]
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It is the answer to the question, What are the last two words on page 272 in your Satanic Bible?

That was one of the questions that I had to answer when I first joined this site... I remember trying to join at work then having to wait to get home only to see the answer was Yankee Rose... I think that was V2 (the last one)...

That and the title probation for the first 50 posts made you want to keep questions such as these in 101 where they belong...

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#19501 - 02/01/09 02:50 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: ta2zz]
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Let's see... Yankee Rose comes at the end of TSB, and is a melodic tune. One deduction is: We know that LaVey loved music, playing in many venues of sorts.

My guess is sometime pre-1960, when he was playing the organ for a fee, he came accross a tune called Yankee Rose. After playing it for the first time in front of an audience, he decided to make the CoS. Thus, going about a new religion, and all it entails.
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#19503 - 02/01/09 03:06 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: paolo sette]
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BUZZZZZZZ!!!

The Unofficial official historically hysterical clown rushes from off stage and removes Paolo Sette's left testicle. Time for the speed round. It's double or nothin'!
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#19525 - 02/02/09 05:13 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: paolo sette]
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Damn you to heaven Paolo, that is the SECOND time I've sprayed my lap-top with a mouthful of coffee thanks to one of your posts.

Interesting concept, and extremely amusing! \:D
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#19768 - 02/06/09 02:12 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: spiderbreeder]
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Probably because his main talent was organ music yet what better way to approach the devil than that? Can you think of anything more suitable for damnation?
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#19813 - 02/06/09 07:33 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: joseph oreilly]
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Well, what about Disco & polka music?
That seems more torturous to me.

They play organ music in Xitan churches and they don't think they are going to hell.


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#19822 - 02/06/09 09:50 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Morgan]
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Having heard Dr. LaVey play the organ on many occasions, I can think of a hell of a lot worse sounds.

The organ is actually quite "satanic" as instruments go, because it is the only instrument that becomes what it needs to be to get its message across. It can sound like the oboe, wind whispering through the mellow tones, or carry undertones of trumpets, or drums far distant and coming to the fore... it can be sweet or it can rage. In the hands of a master, it can touch "the soul."
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#20297 - 02/13/09 12:47 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Jake999]
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"Yankee Rose", as Ta2zz alluded, was a song written by David Lee Roth and Steve Vai. LaVey could astrally project himself into the future... and he knew it would be a big hit in the 80's...
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#20335 - 02/13/09 11:10 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: daevid777]
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And I still play that song. :::stuffing a sock in my spandex and doing some karate chops:::: "I'm talking bout a Yankee Roooose" Youtube video to follow.
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#71197 - 09/23/12 01:20 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Jake999]
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Greetings Ladies and Gents! Welcome to the hungry i! Tonight, the answer to the secret that never was:

We've seen roses grow almost ev'ry where, but you're one we Yankee rose so true, how we all love you, and we're proud to say ....



On Organ Tonight ... Anton LaVey

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#71218 - 09/24/12 01:27 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Le Deluge]
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Perhaps, such whimsical words were there for the purpose to make his readers understand that a whole context of a book should not be taken too literally...
unlike a regular Bible is perceived literally.
(there was this spy movie where a spy explains that very last information - usually stays in mind)
Now, why exactly this song with the words: "rose"... oh, well, because its a queen of flowers, and why "yankee", or because its "american" and blah-blah-blah...
maybe he liked the song
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#71227 - 09/24/12 02:56 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Naama]
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Yankee Rose was one of the standard organ tunes he'd play at gigs. I think he just liked the song. I doubt it had much meaning beyond that. The 2 words would be speculated on as if they were "Rosebud" from Citizen Kane. It probably was a playful touch on his part. I'm sure he knew it could have the odd effect it did. It really never was a secret though. Coming across the sheet music reminded me that folks still asked about "Yankee Rose"
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#76238 - 05/01/13 10:32 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Daafje666]
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Re YR see pages #88-89 of my Church of Satan, along with Plate #18.

Mr. Flood, that's a much nicer picture of the cover of YR than the one I used. Mind if I replace it with yours if I update again?
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#76240 - 05/01/13 11:41 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Sure. No problem. You can certainly use it. I checked out 88-89. I can't offer anything additional. He just liked ending gigs with the tune. Its actually pretty nice on organ.

Edited by Le Deluge (05/02/13 12:32 AM)
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#76244 - 05/02/13 07:52 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Le Deluge]
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Mr. Emmanuel: you live in the heart of Yorubaland. Yoruba magic and religion had an enormous impact on Cuban and Brazilian spirituality and a lesser but still huge impact on Haitian Vodou. Why not share with us some stories about the Ifa traditions and about Nigerian folk practices? Once you've provided some information about Witchcraft, the Second World, etc. I'm sure you'll find people on here will be more willing to help you.

Kudos to Dr. Aquino and Zeena Schreck for solving the "Yankee Rose" mystery. Zeena's explanation is credible, fits the known facts and answers the question better than any other theory proffered to date. When you're writing Anton LaVey's biography that's generally as good as it gets.

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#76561 - 05/22/13 02:48 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Daafje666]
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Short answer - Yes!

Longer answer - I think that in order to understand what Anton meant by Yankee Rose, one must look at its placement within the Satanic Bible, as well as the self perceptions of the man who wrote it.

Personaly I like to use it as a mantra in my meditations.
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#76565 - 05/22/13 08:05 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Rivenstar]
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Initially, I considered it like the final period at the end of his manifesto. Much like he had a disdain for Thelemites discussing Liber Al vel Legis (and the Thelemites), he figured Satanists would end up in a perpetual state of Wax Philosophical as to its meaning. Much like Crowley added 'The Comment', he finished it off with 'Yankee Rose'.

I don't really care what it means, or was intended to mean according to the Super-sleuths. It's quite irrelevant to me, mine and so forth.
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#76613 - 05/23/13 05:30 PM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: SIN3]
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I personally think it could be related to his music or something he witnessed in his younger years, maybe a nickname for a lost love. Though it could also be a crude inside joke that no one would ever understand. There's another possibility that it could be completely meaningless or the meaning could go deeper than we seem to think. The scientific name for Rose would be Genus Rosa, the root of genus being 'Gen' meaning 'race and kind of' and Yankee meaning 'from the northern states'. If you simply put these definitions together not much sense comes from it but if you think more of it then you see that he could've been referring to a certain type of rose that only grows in a certain northern state. Whatever it may be "Yankee Rose" certainly is a mystery that may never be understood entirely.
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#76628 - 05/24/13 08:32 AM Re: Yankee Rose [Re: Desdemona0097]
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