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#184 - 09/08/07 08:00 PM US Presidential Race
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This is a question for all, but particularly for those in the United States:

Who do you hope to win the respective Democrat and Republican presidential races? What are important political issues for you right now?

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#188 - 09/08/07 10:07 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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Hmmm. Well, I "hope" that Ron Paul gets more of a following, but realistically, there won't be any small-time candidates that will get the party election. I'd rather have a Democrat in the office than uber-Mormon Mitt Romney, so I'd vote for Obama or Edwards. They'd make a killing if they teamed up with one or the other as VP. If John Kerry hadn't been such douche back in 2004, he and Edwards could've stolen the election from Bush. At least that dipshit can't get re-elected again. Until 2012. I wouldn't put it past him to try and run again.
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#192 - 09/09/07 02:51 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Nemesis]
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I haven't yet found a candidate that I can endorse 100%. There are a few things I like about some...not so much about others. Regardless, you always seem to see more honesty (even if it is born out of desperation) from the second tier candidates.

Regardless, I think the US is completey screwed, no matter who takes the reigns after Lord Bush...but we're screwed already. I've been told to stand up and make my voice herd and fight for new leadership...that's crap. I'm in the process of working with the Canadian Emigration Department. Eventually, I'd like my own little slice of Octavilund way up north...
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#195 - 09/09/07 10:42 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Octavius]
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You're going to come to Canada?!

If you think that the US is completely screwed, and you think Canada is your way out, then you're just going from the frying pan to the furnace.

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#196 - 09/09/07 02:39 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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I really don't think that a candidate I can wholly support is ever going to come along. But, basing my decision primarily on social issues, I support Gravel. I highly doubt he will be elected, but I support him nonetheless.
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#261 - 09/11/07 10:28 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Trismegistus]
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I like to vote for the liar - they promise more.

For me, a presidential election it usually boils down to guns and taxes. You can tell a lot about a persons world view based on how they feel about guns and taxes.
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#278 - 09/12/07 03:58 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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I'll probably wind up voting for whomever makes it to the democratic ballot, but right now I'm not impressed with anybody. I'm currently looking at the Republicans I can tolerate rather than the Democrats I want. I kinda like the idea of Giuliani because he seems like a reasonable guy even though he's a Republican.
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#279 - 09/12/07 05:11 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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So you are member of the "Guns n'Dope" Party? We need more constiuents.
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#288 - 09/12/07 04:22 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: daevid777]
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Hmmm... guns are boring...
anyway, if forced to live with another republican for 4 more years, Giuliani is probably the least terrifying of the current candidates. I've looked at Romney and Thompson and McCain and their all pro life, and that's a big issue for me. Giuliani said in that debate that even though he's personally against abortion, he's willing to set that aside to protect the constitutional rights of the rest of the country because he understands that not everyone feels the way he does. Perhaps a former mayor doesn't have the international experience necessary to be president the way a senator might, but I really don't care.

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#290 - 09/12/07 06:23 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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I think Giuliani's MUCH too hard-headed for what this country needs most right now--and that is to mend relationships with virtually every other country on the planet. To clean house after the storm, so to speak. Although I'm thrilled to see a Republican with a more relaxed stance on abortion (it's really up to the mother anyway--can't anyone understand that?) We've had 8 years of stubborn willfulness with Bush--I couldn't stand seeing more of it. Giuliani is too blunt in his discourse with other politicians, and I couldn't imagine how many more people and countries he would cause to turn against the country if he were elected. I still think Obama or Edwards would be for the better, if only because they're not as ultra-liberal as Hillary, and wouldn't cause a partisan rift as she would. Hillary's more than capable, but she'd be better as VP. Or maybe the other way around. Her as Prez with one or the other candidates as VP. Someone nearby to balance out her extreme take on certain issues.
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#293 - 09/12/07 07:57 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Nemesis]
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I still don't know much about Obama. I wish I did. I don't really know Edward's politics either, because he didn't really do a good job of explaining that the first time around and he hasn't been in the media much this time either. I'm off and on about Hillary. I like ultra liberal, personally, but I can agree with you that ultra anything is bad for the country right now. I think she'd do a good job and I've always liked her (we share the same birth date, not year of course) and I like the idea of a woman as president, just so we can get over the bickering of "can a woman be president?" "aren't women too emotional to run a country?" and all that other garbage that many countries have already proven wrong, though Americans can't seem to recognize it.
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#295 - 09/12/07 08:04 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Obama, Clinton (either one of them), Edwards, Osama Bin Laden, and Joseph Stalin seem to agree on most major issues. For intents and purposes they are interchangeable parts.
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#296 - 09/12/07 08:06 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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I think bin Laden and Bush have more in common than bin Laden and Clinton. Their both for the Iraq war, their both wealthy people from an oil based background, and their both very restrictive in their opinions of human rights. Probably not Stalin either, because he wasn't a very good commie.
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#299 - 09/12/07 08:27 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Don't forget they both come from wealthy families, on top of the oil history they share. Ardent extremism and fervent beliefs from different sides of the same coin.

On the topic of women being too emotional to run things, I'd say yes, but only one or two days a month. :P
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#300 - 09/12/07 08:28 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Your kidding right?

Did you even listen to OBL's annual message to the US?

He did the whole leftist shtick: global warming, corporations, the war, America is bad, you name it! With the exception of his mention of religion he sounded like you average college professor.
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#302 - 09/12/07 08:47 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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OBL does sound like most university professors; did he really mention global warming in his address?

If so then he's much more media savvy than we give him credit to be...officially taking side with the leftist agenda is so brazen!

I wonder how leftists will recieve this. I have a feeling that it will soon become politically incorrect to label OBL as a terrorist; "Activist" is the better word.

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#303 - 09/12/07 09:42 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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Have you noticed Bin Laden's new beard in his latest video to the U.S.? The mans gone hollywood.

As for the presidential candidates for '08, I like Ron Paul. Second choice would have to be Mike Gravel, and last but not least, Mike Huckabee.

As long as Rudy Guiliani, the cross-dressing 3 times divorced lisping corrupt republican "terror fighter" and former Mayor of New York City isn't elected, not only would the country be a lot better off..But it would prove that at least some of the American citizens aren't totally...Retarded.
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#304 - 09/12/07 09:48 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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Fist, I've gotta ask, are you getting your sole source of daily news from the Arian Brotherhood's RSS feed?

Osama Bin Laden and Joseph Stalin are one in the same? Are you smoking crack? And why would you put Clinton, Obama and Edwards in the same sentence with OBL? All of the democratic candidates are staunch supporters of the first amendment. If that desert crazy had his way the only religious (or personal) freedom we would have would be dictated by the Koran.

Taxes and Guns? You sound like a throwback to the 1862 Republican party. Why would guns play such a major role in who you choose to be the next commander in chief given the numerous, very serious issues facing us in the next 10 years? The economy, strengthening our position in the global economy, the weakening dollar vs. just about every other currency, the poor state of health care, damage control on the world scene and our foreign policy to say nothing of what you surely perceive as a non-issue... (*gasp*) the environment, and getting us on board with the Kyoto protocol.

Guns are legal. Even the (very few) outlawed guns are semi-legal to keep in your home thanks to the fourth amendment. As long as you aren't shooting them in your front yard or waving a Mac 10 at someone when you're driving down the freeway odds are that nobody is going to take them away from you.

Taxes I understand, but since I know that you are in the military, I also happen to know that you can't possible be paying higher than the national average in income taxes, (unless you were a General). If the Republicans had their way with taxes you would end up paying more in taxes, as they opposed the sliding scale method and opt for a straight percentage that everyone must pay, without regard for their tax bracket or earning potential.

So now that I've gone on my rant I feel much better. I just saw you saying some out there stuff that that you weren't backing up and given the short length of your posts you weren't putting much energy into. Kinda came off as lazy and jaded. I'd love to hear ya fire back.

- Rick

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#305 - 09/12/07 11:15 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist

Did you even listen to OBL's annual message to the US?

He did the whole leftist shtick: global warming, corporations, the war, America is bad, you name it!


1. I take it you don't believe in global climate change? It's not just a "leftist shtick", a lot of people on both sides believe it, mostly because it's true, at least to some extent.

2. I suppose the corporation thing is ONE difference between Bush and bin Laden, but that is only one difference among hundreds of similarities.

3. The war is mentioned mostly to aggravate the American public; if you listen to some analysts and pay attention to the timing of his messages, you realize that he wants the war to continue. Showing a video of America's most hated person ranting about the sins of the western world right before elections makes the pro-war, war on terror president look really appealing.

4. Okay, another small difference. He's against America. Bush is against him. The difference is insignificant, especially since you grouped Stalin with the rest of the Democratic party, because he was also anti American. Also, how is "anti America" part of the Leftist opinion. As an American political position, they're obviously supporters of our country and what it is supposed to stand for, even if they oppose the current administration. To quote Man of the Year (Robin Williams movie), "Some people say that it is unpatriotic to question the government. If it was unpatriotic to question the government, we'd still be British!"

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#308 - 09/12/07 11:51 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Really, you should watch the video...it is ridiculous. Except for the "Praise to Allah" preamble, OBL could easily pass for a leftist academic.

You can download the video here and see for yourself

I would like to add, also, that I believe that crass anti-Americanism is very much a feature of the contemporary left across the globe.

In the United States anti-Americanism is not an accurate label to describe someone critical of the government, but rather someone who is desperate to remain politically correct in the face of impending death. Choosing to worry about offending the sensibilities of foreigners over protecting one's own homeland seems anti-nationalistic (in this case anti-American) to me.

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#313 - 09/13/07 12:25 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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I would like to add, also, that I believe that crass anti-Americanism is very much a feature of the contemporary left across the globe.



Can you define the contemporary left as it pertains to being a homogeneous group of fundamental idealism across the globe?

- R

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#319 - 09/13/07 10:21 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Mister R]
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The left today is dominated by the ideas of the New Left and the postmodernist paradigm; intellectual bankruptcy, in other words.

However I'm not entirely sure of what you're asking me to do because of the way you phrased your sentence. Can you be more clear?

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#327 - 09/13/07 02:22 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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However I'm not entirely sure of what you're asking me to do because of the way you phrased your sentence. Can you be more clear?


Sure, can you paint me a picture of the poster boy for this American hating, jelly-spine having, intellectually bankrupt 'Left' that you are so broadly applying to a mysterious group of people across the globe that you call 'the Left'.

- R

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#328 - 09/13/07 04:22 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Mister R]
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Paint a picture? Sure.

S/he's a person who is concerned with corporate power, institutionalized racism, environmental degradation, the oppression of the Palestinian people (usually Muslims in general), media centralization, military and economic imperialism, and poverty in the developing world. Usually the reason for all of these things are either "capitalism", "capitalism-run-wild", "neoconservatives", or "Zionists". More often than not the United States is the centre for all of these evils.

What's mysterious about this group of people? Do you feel as though I am lumping all leftists together?

These are all the big issues for self-proclaimed leftists; some focus on one or two problems, others try and tackle them all.

I find many of these people to be intellectually bankrupt because of their methodology; it seems that they begin with the assumption that capitalism and its discontents are immoral, and they go from there.

The reaction of left-feminists after 9/11 serves as a good example of leftist spinelessness: feminists went from critiquing Islam and the Middle East as a patriarchal society that has female subjugation at its core to being apologists for Islam. After 9/11, and especially the Iraq War, feminists are quick to point out that Muslim women are actually revered within Islam, that Islam granted women freedom before the West, and that veils protect a woman's character.

Leftism has become reactionary to the point of absurdity and postmodernism has come to mean "shiftiness", all for one very good reason: intellectual and theoretical bankruptcy.

There is no more leftist program save "support the underdog, destroy the West".

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#341 - 09/13/07 09:14 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: Mister R


Sure, can you paint me a picture of the poster boy for this American hating, jelly-spine having, intellectually bankrupt 'Left' that you are so broadly applying to a mysterious group of people across the globe that you call 'the Left'.

- R


 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
Paint a picture? Sure.

S/he's a person who is concerned with corporate power, institutionalized racism, environmental degradation, the oppression of the Palestinian people (usually Muslims in general), media centralization, military and economic imperialism, and poverty in the developing world. Usually the reason for all of these things are either "capitalism", "capitalism-run-wild", "neoconservatives", or "Zionists". More often than not the United States is the centre for all of these evils.



They're called "Hippies", and they must be exterminated. j/k

There are plenty of people who hate America. The current administration has seen to that. Let's hope the next one can hold out an olive branch to some of our estranged allies....
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#349 - 09/14/07 12:06 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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Ballbreaker,

Well put. With that definition of leftist, I might be inclined to agree with you. The only problem with that argument is that one could make a counterclaim about ‘the Right’ and define the average right-winger as being a gun crazy, invasion happy, minority hating, survivalism protagonist. Neither is an appropriate definition of a Conservative or a Liberal, generally speaking. Liberal in this case used as a synonym for ‘the Left’, as is the common interpretation.

Do I know plenty of people who identify themselves as a Liberal? Sure. Are some of them exactly as you described? You bet. But I don’t think they are anywhere near the majority view of the left, much less could you say that they are the ones who control this ‘leftist agenda’ that you mentioned.

You’re making a far-reaching broad-stroke generalization about the left, aka, Liberals, aka, US Democrats that seems fundamentally dishonest. If that’s not what you meant then I’m not trying to put words in your mouth, but that’s how I (and presumably others) would interpret comments putting Osama Bin Laden in the same ideological boat as the ‘left’ and their ‘leftist agenda’.

- R

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#373 - 09/16/07 12:37 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Mister R]
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Hmm, I think it's both difficult and easy to lump groups of people together.

Difficult, because while some people identify with a particular group, they may have different takes on certain issues that may run parallel, or completely opposite to that of the main view point of their party.

Easy, because it makes for quick assumptions by which everyone else can make a snap judgement on and call it a day. Liberals? Flag-burning, gay-loving, lower-income Zionist college students. Conservatives? Similar to what Mister R said above--gun-toting, anti-abortion, Christian, upper middle-class, middle-aged, white war mongers. God-forbid if you don't support the war or the president, because that makes you a home-grown terrorist.

Myself, I take my stances according to the issue at hand. Abortion? Liberal. Taxes? Conservative. Guns? Hell, I'm Southern--Conservative. Foreign policy? Liberal, but not uber-liberal the way Europe is becoming. Immigration? Conservative. Environmentalism? Somewhere between the two extremes. I can't even rightly define myself as a Republican or Democrat anymore. So I'm sticking with Moderate Libertarian. Again, a group, but at least I'm disassociating myself from the two-party idiocy and hyper-generalizing.
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#381 - 09/16/07 11:47 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis

Myself, I take my stances according to the issue at hand. Abortion? Liberal. Taxes? Conservative. Guns? Hell, I'm Southern--Conservative. Foreign policy? Liberal, but not uber-liberal the way Europe is becoming. Immigration? Conservative. Environmentalism? Somewhere between the two extremes.


I like breaking things down into specific issues. Let's see

Abortion: very liberal
Taxes: also liberal
Guns: moderate
Foreign Policy: liberal
Immigration: complicated. I don't see how an influx of immigrants really harms our country like some people say. I think that outsourcing is much worse. At least a portion of the salaries of immigrants, probably a large portion, is spent within the U.S. on food, housing, taxes, and other things, whereas outsourcing jobs gives money (albeit a small amount) to people who spend it entirely in another country.
Environmentalism: pretty liberal, although I don't show it much yet.
Gay rights: liberal. Freedoms and opportunities for anybody is important.
Stem Cell Research: an obnoxious ploy for conservatives to prove just how pro-life they are by making legislation that will do more harm to sick, already living people than it does good to unborn, excess humans.

Are there any other issues that people care about?

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#382 - 09/17/07 12:55 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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How would you describe a "liberal" foreign policy?
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#384 - 09/17/07 01:42 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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Thinking about it, I have no idea. I just wanted to hit all of Nemesis's points before putting in my own. It was stupid. I suppose I went with her definition of liberal as similar to European foreign policy. I figure it has less bombing the hell out of other countries and more negotiating. We'd save money in the long run by not feeling guilty for destroying their entire country and rebuilding them completely after conflict.
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#388 - 09/17/07 07:41 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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Yes, for me "liberal" foreign policy is more about diplomacy and maintaining relations than what we have going on right now.

The only reason we act the way we do towards other countries is because we are so isolated. We have oceans between us and the rest of the world, and this affects our attitudes about everything. Canada up north, and Mexico to our South. Mexico will never invade us, because they are too poor and unorganized, and Canada's our good neighbor, sharing a similar cultural and historical background. If we were surrounded by half a dozen other countries, each with a full-strength military, I have no doubt that we would strive to be tolerant, if not outright friendly, to those nations.
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#435 - 09/18/07 12:45 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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I can provide for myself so I must decline your invitation, thank you.
Yours Truly,

Mr. and Mrs. so and so.

What a concept!


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#436 - 09/18/07 12:59 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Cody]
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What the heck are you talking about?
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#937 - 10/07/07 02:56 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: undeadridinghood]
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I will probably vote for Ron Paul.I like his idea of banning the IRS.The state don't gas up my car or mow my yard so why should I pay them property tax every year.Property tax, like the IRS, is designed to take from the productive and give to the parasites. I tend to be more libertarian in my thinking(Although on several issues I think they are dead wrong) I despise both the lunatic left and the reactionary right.
Under no circumstances would I vote for Hillary. I would rather be forced to have sex with Rosie O'Donnell instead!

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#2723 - 12/12/07 06:42 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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I really dont care for this election. I'm just waiting for the outcome of all this. But in a way it should be interesting.
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#2724 - 12/12/07 06:50 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: DeathIsWicked]
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when will the partys go to vote for thier GOP ?.

I must say Ron Paul is looking appealing , Getting rid of the IRS, United Nations , department of education and other socially liberal backward departments Is a must, also Rudy still looks appealing

but in all honnesty , ANYONE IS FINE ,BUT HILLARY , if the democrats must win , i would wrather Obama

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#2726 - 12/12/07 07:12 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: haraku]
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that's a pretty big promise for Ron Paul to make.
sounds alot like he's targeting middle class folks knowing they make-up most of the voting population...i mean really, who wouldnt want to lower taxes?
we need to ask ourselves, is he likely to take action or just half-ass everything after being put into office?

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#2729 - 12/13/07 12:16 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: L Fern Tej]
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He has the strongest voting record of all the candidates, and his views are concerned so extreme by elements of the mainstream public that it's unlikely he's campaigning to abolish the IRS on populist principles only.

I think what we (well, you in the US) really need to ask ourselves is how much pull any President ultimately has, and whether large scale reform is possible without the active assistance of Congress.

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#2730 - 12/13/07 12:18 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: haraku]
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when will the partys go to vote for thier GOP ?.


"GOP" (Grand Old Party) is the Republican Party. Do you mean to say, "when will the parties vote for their respective candidates?" ?

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#3841 - 02/04/08 03:33 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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If another Republican is elected it will be like another 4 years of the Bush Admin. The other day Sen John MCcain said he was ready to spend 100 years over in Iraq!!! Just what we need, another politician wasting our hard earned tax dollar on a unworthy war.

They need a President who will stand up for the American peoples interests and stop driving our economy into the ground from borrowing billions from china to keep the war funded over in IRAQ like the republicans are doing.

Bush has sank the American economy and its only going to get worse before it gets better with him still in office.

Feb 5th is super tuesday to nominate your candidate here in Delaware.

Hope everyone wakes up and votes for the people who will do something for us the tax payers....

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#3850 - 02/05/08 10:08 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Noc]
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i personally hope is oboma, or hillary.
i do know that with the last clinton in office, we had a decent economy, and life seemed prety great, and with hillary in office, im sure bill would have some sort of influence, and that be fine by me, if even only a little bit.

as for oboma, he doesnt seem like he has enough experience, maybe hed be a bit more ready by the next elections? i dont kno thats just my personal opinion
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#3852 - 02/05/08 10:15 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: puk]
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Well you have a chance today to bring one of those 2 candidates closer into office with a vote today.

I voted for Hillary, she seems like the best ticket to bring our economy back up and running since Bush has totally screwed it up.

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#3878 - 02/05/08 08:45 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Noc]
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If you think that any of the leading canidates will 'fix' the economy or 'end' the war then you really have been duped.

The Status Quo likes things just the way they are and none of the front runners on either side want to change the Status Quo.
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#3887 - 02/05/08 10:52 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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I don't know about you guys, but God! I Love Bush!
Is it just me or has anyone notice we have a really weird government? I mean we got a Bush... and a Dick... and a Colon? And didn't Dick shoot some guy in the eye or something?

I'm republican myself. I was gunna vote for Guiliani; but Mit is handsome and has a cool name; plus he went to BYU. I seriously once thought about being Mormon just to bang the Mormon Chicks; it was a taugh call... Blondes... or Satan... so here I am.


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#3903 - 02/06/08 09:50 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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im hoping much of that if not all was sarcasim...
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#3904 - 02/06/08 10:06 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: puk]
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I'm just hoping that whoever gets in office is going to do something to help the American people and forget about what other countries are doing, because if we keep borrowing money from china to fight a war that should have never started in the first place. Then we are going to be slaves to the china Government for many many years to come.

The people who are in office are supposed to be working for the American peoples interests, but George Bush proved that the people in Washington are for themselves and are in office for personal gains for them and there friends...

The United States can't take another 4 years of what Bush started he took a surplus when he took office and blew that shit right out the window with all the big spending that didn't do anything but ruin the economy.

The only ones who got anything from Bush being in office is Big Business, mainly Oil companies (for why hes over in Iraq,oil) and the drug companies. They price gouge on everything they do and that needs to stop...

Look I know whoever gets in office isn't going to change anything overnight, because it took Bush almost 8 years of misleading our nation to create the shit hole that its become. But I want someone in there thats wanting to make a difference and try to fix what Bush broke.

If they would pull out of Iraq and take the Billion dollars there spending there each day, and put that money into our economy things would start to turn around in a short period of time.

If they would have used that money for hurricane victims people would be in there homes instead of under bridges or small ass trailers. What the Government showed me during that is when you need the help of your Government they will turn there backs on you,and it can happen to anyone and thats a reality....

Theres a lot to be fixed in Washington and we need someone thats willing to fix things instead of going the course and hide there heads in the sands and hope things will go away.

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#3906 - 02/06/08 10:39 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Noc]
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i agree in everythign you just stated NOC, very well put
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#3916 - 02/06/08 08:10 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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 Originally Posted By: ballbreaker
This is a question for all, but particularly for those in the United States:

Who do you hope to win the respective Democrat and Republican presidential races? What are important political issues for you right now?


.......eye have no interest in the two party system......
...............eye have bin told by the county eye live in.....that eye may not vote.......this is due to the fact that eye do not have a "certificate of occupancy".......there for my land is "uninhabital".......of course they sent this info to my mail box.......at my "unihabital" property........
........and if to vote made a real diferance in this day and age in america.......it would be illegal for everyone to vote......
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#4311 - 02/18/08 11:09 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: ballbreaker]
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Hillary....Why?
Connections, experience, intelligence and already part of the club.......
As for a woman being president? I remember vaguely of Margret Thatcher smacking Argentina over the Falkland Islands (The Empire Strikes Back). I would say Hillary has this potential. Gut feeling.
McCain would be my Republican choice. I had voted for Him in the primaries of the first GW sElection.
Just read something that made it's way to Myspace about a supposed connection of Obama to Farrakhan. Not sure if that's an issue for anyone or real at all.
I also remember vaguely some news guy questioning the importance of President in other than war time matters back in Bill's days. Who do You trust with your or a family member's life?
McCain has first hand experience to say the least.

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#4326 - 02/18/08 09:20 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: woreloque]
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McCain is also dogmatic and regimented in his beliefs, much like our beloved "Dubya". Whether it's Hillary or Obama, I feel strongly that the next president elect will be a Democrat. Americans are just sick of Republicans after having one in office for the past 8 years. One that has squandered our resources both at home and abroad and tarnished our already shady reputation as the world's remaining superpower. McCain would make a good Vice Prez though.
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#4333 - 02/19/08 03:16 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: woreloque]
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...hey, don't put Hilly (Demo) and "The Iron Lady" (Con) in the same thread, or the same forum. I'm a Scotty and I still reckon Margaret was, and is, a Legend:)

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#4336 - 02/19/08 07:28 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Mercury_Templar]
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yeah.....I cringe a little myself at the comparison........
but....I think The Lady has teeth.....
Maggie had an opportunity to show Her's beyond the conservative positons on other issues.
When it's all said and done the economy will continue to ebb and flow, cycle up and down.
It's the events where push comes to shove that could be interesting.

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#8660 - 05/14/08 06:03 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Fist]
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Personally...

The real people in control are not even known about.
Beyond political parties...
They are all business partners.

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#8704 - 05/15/08 09:11 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: -iblis-]
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Margaret Thatcher was cool. She was strong, firm, and was respected. Only politician I ever painted a portrait of.
Hillary doesn't compare to her. She may be strong, but she isn't really respected like Margaret was. This country doesn't really teach about womans' role in history or even the political world view of women in power past and present.

I think Mccain lost it. People seem to want a change, and he is too much old regieme. To me, it seems he gave up his middle ground on views to appeal to the more consevative republican voters.

Obama, well. I dont think he is seasoned enough to be the leader of this country. If anything, Edwards should have won that round and Obama been vice instead of Edwards dropping out and now backing Obama. I saw Edwards speak live on Tv years ago, and he had "it". Even back then he should have won over Kerry.

As to Hillary, yes, she has some experience, and she does seem to know what she is doing. She has the past knowledge of how the country works, deals get done, and all the behind the scenes bullshit handshakes. She seems to want to make a change, and move this country along, but is this country ready for her. She can be tough, but is Bill as an ex-president more of a hinderance or a help. Granted the country was in much better shape when they were in office, but does she have the necessary business savey to make congress and etc. work together? Maybe with the 2 of them in the whitehouse things will flow better. I am certain Bill shared stuff and ideas with her when he was president, I am certain she will do the same. But is that what the voters want, a partnership in the whitehouse?

I think maybe, Hillary should have Edwards pushed as vice, if she ends up winning the nomination even though he endorced Obama.
Then again, having run previously as vice, is Edwards politically dead in the water in that position?

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#8715 - 05/16/08 05:01 AM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Margaret Thatcher was cool. She was strong, firm, and was respected.


What a load of bullshit. The last thing anyone would call Thatcher is "cool" then or now... except perhaps for a few Col Blimp types that comprise the British Conservative Party. You really do speak some rubbish sometimes, Morgan.

The fact is the woman was a blithering idiot. A classic product of the great British tradition of institutionalised stupidity. She could only have come out of England. Whenever you read the Orwellian dictum "ignorance is strength" then you'll understand Thatcher.

As for Billary, she always was a lame duck. Why would the average American Joe sixpak vote for a woman who reminds them of their first wife?

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#8766 - 05/17/08 02:27 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: School Bully]
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Well, I liked her.
Do you really think she was stupid?
Please tell me more. (NOt sarcasm).

Why in regards to Hillary?
I guess you always remember your first time.

What about edwards?
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#8774 - 05/17/08 07:26 PM Re: US Presidential Race [Re: Morgan]
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Well, now that we are down to just a few clowns in the circus...

Obama and Hillary have done nice work fighting each other. Republicans have been registering as Dems to vote in the Dem primary in order keep Hillary viable. Rush Limbaugh has been promoting this under his campaign called "Operation Chaos." The leftist media is going out of it's way not to credit Rush for any of this. Most 'objective' 'journalists' can hardly hide their giddiness over Obama's success. The Dems seem poised to have a brokered convention like they did in '68 because Clinton and his wife will not quit until the bitter end. Truely, this is great theater!

McCain for his part is trying desperately to court the votes of conservatives (you know, guns and taxes) who's votes he cannot win without. Meanwhile, the Republican establishment is trying to lock out Ron Paul and his supporters from the convention out of fear that they might engage in some sort of theater.

In the end, the Status Quo will win big in November. At least now they have a tentative date to end the war (in Iraq anyway). McCain let it slip that they are looking at 2013.
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