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#19376 - 01/30/09 05:04 AM ordered by god
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this is the first mainsteam american news report that I have seen that is critical of the jewish state. Bob Simon exposes what millions have been claiming for decades, and in light of the recent mini-genocide in Gaza, I found it appropriate. Bob Simon will most likely suffer greatly for the crime of not bending the truth, along with anyone else involved, and due to boycotts and protests you can bet this video wont stay online long. such is the nature of the American media. Many have seen this, and ignored it.
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#19377 - 01/30/09 05:46 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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Religious extremist of all faiths are bad.

There is no chance of peace, freedom or sanity for anyone when one group believes "They" are The Chosen People of God.

The Israelies don't see that they are doing the same thing that the nazi did to them. They refuse to learn from history, and that will be their downfall.

A created getto is a getto, wheather it is Poland in the 1930's or Palestine in the year 2000. The people fight for the same reasons, just to survive.

It will end badly for all of them.

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#19381 - 01/30/09 05:55 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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they are not extremists Morgan. this is how they are, and what they are, and this is the root of the problem that the entire world is going to be forced to deal with soon.
AGAIN.

it is so incredibly difficult to say anything without veering into anti-semitism. not that I care too much.

you are absolutely correct though. they are doing the exact same thing regarding ghettos.

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#19383 - 01/30/09 06:09 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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I look at them as extremists because I have had so many of them under my boot.
Paying to be under my boot.
As well as the ex-israelie army pony-slave I had living in my house.

Its weird, but true.

Its all just going to get worse, no one learns from history anymore.

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#19391 - 01/30/09 08:31 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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I don't think the Israelis do the same thing the Nazis did. They are the Nazis and although we are supposed to feel bad for them and have a huge load of sympathy for their suffering throughout history, one might think that all those that hunted them down like rabid dogs might have had a pretty good reason to do so.
But then again, maybe that idea is horribly wrong and god's chosen people are all-loving and just misunderstood by us dogs out there.

Check out Irgun, then think Hamas and Israel's official position on their terrorism. Then laugh.

Europe is largely anti-Israel. Of course the governments don't go too far in that because you don't want to upset the financial giants in your country. Like here, where the diamond-sector is owned by the Jews, you can't even, in public, crack a joke about them without a representative demanding apologies or getting your ass in court. They don't realize that "anti-Israel" will slowly turn in "anti-Jew" again. One would expect the last decade to have become anti-Muslim but antisemitism seems to increase at the same speed. Weird, since the enemy of our enemy...

All written here is of course purely fictional and for educational purposes only. I have nothing but sympathy, love and compassion for our Israeli brothers and sisters.


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#19404 - 01/30/09 01:25 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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I was not aware that Europe harbors any resentment towards Israel! in fact, i was not aware that Europe harbors any resentment for Muslims either.
what with France and Germany and Norway and England just taking load after load after load of them... I kinda thought they wanted more.
weird.

anyway. in America if you watch TV or read newspapers or enjoy movies you pretty much love Israel. "we" are sworn to protect them, fund them, fight for them, and sacrifice soldiers and skyscapers full of Americans for them.

but we also love our Muslim brothers (not the sisters though, who must walk ten paces behind the man!).

in fact, we love everyone, except insurgents..although no one is quite sure who they are.

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#19406 - 01/30/09 01:44 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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I think the last time we were pro-Israel was around the '72 in Munich. Since then the opinion slowly went into favor of the Palestinians and contra Israel. Most news here focuses on killed babies by the evil Israeli choppers. It's the "we throw rocks, they bomb our schools" kind of image that is all-present here.

And people are getting fed up by their fragility. Every time the Jews are pointing the finger and accusing you of every sin in the book when you don't dramatize the holocaust or their suffering. Seriously, the BEST thing that ever happened to them was the fucking holocaust. Without that, they would never have gotten the free ride they enjoy today. But hey, TABOO.
Yeah sure, bomb something, we'll not interfere coz grandpa Goldstein sure had a rough time 60 years ago. You think the Germans in Dresden didn't have a rough time? Screw this everlasting enforced feeling of guilt.

Do we like our Muslim brothers? Yeah we do like them but we like them most when they stay in Muslim-land. Ten years ago it was slightly different but nationalism is on the rise. If we're getting into a serious crisis, expect it to increase even more. If you don't have a job, Ali having one will hurt even more.

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#19418 - 01/30/09 06:47 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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This was a really fantastic report.

Weiss' comment, "the world belongs to those that are stubborn... and we are very stubborn." perfectly summarizes the standoff.

Tzipi Livni scares me. She's seems to have approached it with a "fuck it all, burn it to the ground" attitude.

 Originally Posted By: Bacchae
anyway. in America if you watch TV or read newspapers or enjoy movies you pretty much love Israel. "we" are sworn to protect them, fund them, fight for them, and sacrifice soldiers and skyscapers full of Americans for them.

Probably because the middle eastern national past time has been "invading Israel". At first it almost wasn't fair- but now their army is HARD. Like Wall Street hard. They can fend for themselves.

It'll be an evil scenario, no matter what happens.

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#19423 - 01/30/09 07:10 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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Well this is no surprise, the Arabs haw been getting jewed for years.

I find it pretty annoying that just because of the holocause the US feels indebted to Isreal. (side note: Isreal = Psychic Vampire?)

As Bacchae alluded to; the US support for Isreal was largely responsible for the motivations behind 9/11 and is also laragely responsible for the Middle East's hatred of America.

Ok, yeah, I get it; you feel guilty for taking so long to get involved in WWII and being unable to stop the genocide. Plenty of the Jews were saved though and that is in the past anyway. I think it is time that is just made it into water under the bridge. Not say that we should just forget it, but perhaps stop dwelling on it so damn much and feeling guilty.

What about the rally cry, "never again"? Surely that must have been said in jest. Genocide has continued to go on all over the world. America doesn't seem to interested in stopping any of that from happening. So why the double standard?

You would think that America, being predominantly Christian, would harbor resentment for the Jews. They did kill our saviour after all....
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#19424 - 01/30/09 07:33 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I'm waiting for Israel to stop pretending it seeks anything other than ethnic cleansing. But really I'm waiting for the next world war to begin in Palestine. War seems inevitable, and the USA and Russia won't be able to stay out of it.
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#19425 - 01/30/09 08:36 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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I can't say that I've ever harbored any sympathy for Jews, certainly not for the cause of Israel. As far as I'm concerned, they deserve everything they've gotten, back to Torah times. Oh, not necessarily the million or so that were gassed and cremated in the camps, that was a little harsh. But they did not deserve a Jewish state (especially when it was just given to them, for fuck's sake), and they do not deserve our financial, military, or moral support. Especially now that we've helped them get armed to the teeth with all the latest technology. I say, let 'em get in the ring with their neighbors, without the big brother USA to wipe their asses when they soil themselves with trivialities like, 'civilian casualties'.

The only reason I can justify the US's continued presence in Israel and its defense thereof, is that it keeps the Middle East in a state of constant turmoil. When everyone's busy hating the Jews, and Palestinians are firing rockets here and Israel's firing theirs over there, who's got the time or resources to form powerful unions? Unions that could make the Middle East a strong, and feared international force to reckon with.

So, the only use I see for Israel is that they are keeping the pot stirred, and while our support of them may garner us a lot of deserved hatred, it keeps their idle hands busy--killing each other.
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#19431 - 01/30/09 10:59 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis


The only reason I can justify the US's continued presence in Israel and its defense thereof, is that it keeps the Middle East in a state of constant turmoil. When everyone's busy hating the Jews, and Palestinians are firing rockets here and Israel's firing theirs over there, who's got the time or resources to form powerful unions? Unions that could make the Middle East a strong, and feared international force to reckon with.

So, the only use I see for Israel is that they are keeping the pot stirred, and while our support of them may garner us a lot of deserved hatred, it keeps their idle hands busy--killing each other.


damn you hit it on the head.
I was told this exact thing by a Very rich and Very well placed jewish fellow about a year ago, when they invaded Lebanon the last time.

that is, of course, not the whole story though...

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#19448 - 01/31/09 03:48 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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The problem with Israeli and Palestinians, is just the plain fact that the Jews were nomads for too long. While other civilizations had settled themselves already on (good?) grounds and started to develop, they were still travelling deserts and wandering around.

World War II caused much harm to them and after the holocaust we felt so sorry for these people for not having a descent place or country to stay, we decided to create/give Israel to these people. And what better place then where their religious base was? But we seemed to forget the Islamic where there. Aaah, well they'll get along together after all, we are helping them and the Palestinians would be afraid since they are sponsored by the US....
So, I can conclude that the war in the middle-east is actually one moral fuck-up.
Maybe now some people tend to believe I'm anti-jews.
Well.. they are right, but I'm also anti-europe, anti-US, anti-terror, anti-russia, anti-communist,...
To make things short, from an extremist point of view I'm anti-everything. Why? Because I always have some critics against something even if it is against my own ideas.


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#19450 - 01/31/09 07:30 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Dimitri]
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I'm pro-terror; that is just what we need but they are misdirecting their efforts.

I want to see booby-traps in new televisions and computers. Acids in your beauty products, Sarin in your aftershave or perfume. I want to see poison in your prefabricated food. I want to see people trembling like traumatized wrecks.
Then maybe we can, instead of distraction, call it terror.

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#19462 - 01/31/09 03:59 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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Years ago, we had poison in pills, baby food, and recently cat & dog food.
There is/was lead in toys over the christmas holiday.

Unless its more people being killed/blown up, and the graffic nature of it being shown on television news verses a video game, people won't react to it.

The war is a distraction now because people are numb/don't see it. That is one of the main reason why BUSH didn't want the caskets coming home with flags on them to appear in the media. Why he didn't want anyone taking photos of them.
If you can't garnish any sympathy, you can't begin to care about the number of dead.
It wont seem real, just seperate from your daily life.

When we marched against the GOP convention in NYC last time against BUSH, none of it really made the news. You didn't see all the thousands of people stretching from union square 14th street down to seventh ave and across to 34th str & back up to 5th before dispersing. The amount of people was huge!!!. There were cops down every block in riot gear about 7 deep and maybe 20 across. They didn't talk about the gun ship type helicopters that were low flying over the crowds and taking pictures.
Hell, the only image of the cops that came to light was when they arrested Rosaria Dawson and her director for being filmed for some movie while people were marching.

It you can keep it out of the media, and keep it low key the masses won't notice or have even the distraction of it.
It won't seem real, thus it's not real/never happened.

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#19476 - 01/31/09 10:58 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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you are totally correct Morgan, and this is what (I think) Diavolo is alluding too above. taking it apocalyptic.
this is almost what it looks like israel is doing now too. there is no chance of them seeing victory. there is no chance of peace. there is nothing at the end of this pipe dream except certain death, and they know it. why else shit in their backyard so much? piss off potential allies, make a mockery out of the USA, and basically everything they have been doing since the 60's.
they are not half the strategists they pretend they are, nor even a quarter as powerful.
they shot up the zoo in gaza. they killed the animals for no other reason than to instill fear and terror.

it backfires on them daily. they are fucked.

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#19478 - 01/31/09 11:04 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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Here's a few lists that show jewish migration patterns. yes they certainly are nomadic
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2
3

kind of puts their grip on american politics and society into perspective, and explains why they are holding on to that strip of desert so hard.

if they weren't such dicks, and didn't view all non-jews as expendable cattle (according to their holy books), I might even begin to feel sympathy for their never-ending plight.

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#19490 - 02/01/09 06:32 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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Of course they can't win and that's why they need the USA. And their colonies in other parts of the world. Don't think that the financial centers spread across the world are not colonies. Down here the diamond center lacks pretty much government control. They're the sufferers you know, stepping down on them would feel bad, if even only for tax reasons. Money = power no matter where it is located.

What they're doing is the same as a KKK member going to live in the ghetto, wearing his cape daily and throw rocks at the neighbors. The cops are only able to save his ass for that long.

People say they have always been persecuted because religion told us they killed Christ. Yeah, maybe the Templars were also destroyed because they adored the Baphomet.

D.


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#19534 - 02/02/09 12:21 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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"What they're doing is the same as a KKK member going to live in the ghetto, wearing his cape daily and throw rocks at the neighbors. The cops are only able to save his ass for that long."

So, how long?
What do you think is the time frame at this point before they start the sucide bombings in Israel again?
How long, till the other Arab countries start sending people in, or doing something?
Do you think they have atomic weapons or it is just more bullshit?

The 2 movies that recently came out about jewish resistance in ww2, I think have the opposite effect of sympathy. People just don't care.

I think Diavolo is right, its just about the money.
If it was finacially beneficial for them, there would have been peace already.

It does make you wonder though, with all the moves, deaths, and exiles, where have they been getting/or able to keep their monies & diamonds?
Yes, that statement can be considered a little fucked up.

At this point, its just a matter of time. If Israel keeps the stupid shit up, I figure less than 6 months, it will start again.

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#19536 - 02/02/09 12:50 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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This shit just has to end catastrophic. It's a martyr vs martyr fight, both victims in their own eyes. Israel got nukes and it wouldn't surprise me if they had a 'made in the USA' sign on them. I doubt they'll ever use them, unless they get a terror strike so over the top they turn into rabid rabbis. I'm only amazed they never had a chemical strike this far. Hell, when the CCCP went bankrupt, so much got sold disappeared there, it is almost unbelievable it didn't show up at the bad guys, whomever they are. Iraq also had a shitload of spiffy war tools. If only for the sake of probabilities, something must get used one day.

The days of suicide bombers are gone, the great wall does have some effect on that. I don't doubt there will be a new wave of attacks but they'll have to be inventive and find new ways. Still, angry people that have little to do besides being angry and hiding from the bombs and bullets, have plenty of time to be inventive. It's just plain stupid there but at the same time pretty interesting to observe. It's the human species showing what is developed best in them.

D.

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#19539 - 02/02/09 12:58 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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"It's the human species showing what is developed best in them."

Inventivness, violence, and bloodshed.


True, the wall is huge, and the checkpoints are all over, but where there is a will, there is a way. I wouldn't be suprised if some Israelies don't end up on the Palestinian side down the road. Yes, its going to be really fucked up, and catastrophic.

Time to get the lawn chairs....

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#19540 - 02/02/09 01:06 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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Yes, time to get the lawn chairs indeed....

It is best that we just watch and not got involved. To hell with US intervention in THEIR problems. These people have been at war wirh each other for thousands of years and that isn't going to change any time soon.

Isreal is perfectly capable of fighting its' own battles and we need not play big brother in highschool to their 6th grade bully problem.

If the American government really wants to put a damper on acts of terrorism against it; then it needs to stay the fuck out of the Middle East and all of its' problems.

Some might say that "it isn't that easy" the thing is that, yes, it is that easy. Just don't get involved. I see conflicts almost everyday that I could get involved with, but I don't. Not only because I don't care, but because it would create more problems for me that I don't need.

If they want to blow each other off the map then that is their perogative.
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#19542 - 02/02/09 01:29 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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"Isreal is perfectly capable of fighting its' own battles and we need not play big brother in highschool to their 6th grade bully problem."

Israel is the bully in this situation.



If the Palestinians really want to do something annoying, start making posters/tee shirts saying...

Silence equals Death with a picture of their flag underneath the words.

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#19543 - 02/02/09 01:48 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
I see conflicts almost everyday that I could get involved with, but I don't. Not only because I don't care, but because it would create more problems for me that I don't need.


Okay 6Satan6Archist6 lets look into this for a minute, I mean I can understand where your coming from but lets look back into history for a minute intervention does make more problems yes but what does it do to help us?

Well as you might have noticed with the Nazis we came in we befriended Europe we helped Europe not until after we were attacked of course but the point im trying to make is that sometimes intervention is neccessary to gain alliances.

I mean honestly isnt that what America needs, I get that Israel is already our allies but in order to keep the alliance strong then we would have to take it a step further and help then when they go into war, (dont quote me on this next part because im not totally sure so im going to phrase it as a question) not only that but I believe we have some kind of pact with Israel as we do with other nations dont we?

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#19545 - 02/02/09 02:08 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bonez666W]
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Sure the USA did participate and liberate Europe but an other scenario might be that Europe would maybe have been better if that wouldn't have happened. If Germany wouldn't have been so stupid to attack Russia, kept the USA on their side and conquered the whole of Europe, we might be a much stronger force today than what we are now. Maybe the USA didn't help us at all. I guess it would take an alternate reality to find that out.
Of course we can't consider that possibility because the forced view upon our future must have been one of dominion, ethnic cleansing and death camps.

It's the same with befriending Israel. Who says it is an advantage at all? Once they were great buddies with Afghanistan and Iraq too.

D.

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#19556 - 02/02/09 06:52 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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Then we would have had, Germany, Russia, Japan, and the United States.

Russia and Japan would have ended up fighting, with Japan losing. Then Russia and Germany would end up fighting it out.
Unless Germany and Japan attacked Russia at the same time.
Then they would split up Russia.
We would still be here watching them fight it out.
Eventually, the winner would start with us, looking towards total global domination.
The outcome of that, depends who we nuke first.

My Grandfather said during one of his sane moments, that we should have taken over Russia at the end of WW2. That would have made the world a different place.

I think with having thrown Israel together, we have just never managed to get ourselves out of that mess. Like the drunk friend that won't leave your house till you pick him BY HIS ASS and throw him out.

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#19572 - 02/03/09 04:26 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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Funny, a discussion with many "if" assumptions.
"If Russia attacked Japan..."
"If Germany and Russia..."
"But if Japan and Russia.."

Things have happened in the past leading to what we are now.
One can believe what he wants when certain aspects were different back then. That's opinion vs opinion. Making allies and such, that's a great thing during the dark ages and maybe if there are wars to be fought or to defend yourself.
Wars usually start out of greed. US meddling in Israel isn't for "achieving peace". If they befriend those guys they are economical well-placed. If there weren't as much rich persons who favor the Israeli I'm bloody well sure they would have helped the Palestinians.

Just as the WWII thing. I hear most amricans speak of "we helped you guys kick the Germans asses and saved your lives". I laugh with it, US only came to help when they were attacked. They didn't care half of Europe was at war. Sure they can claim: " Troops are ready to be send". It didn't occur untill they received a little slap. --> http://www.worldwariihistory.info/WWII/United-States.html
Spare me hypocritic thinking, these things happened many years ago already and already we have thanked them. There are new generations now. You can't blame them things what their ancesters did.

It's an example of Christian thinking. You can compare it with a child who just has been on earth for a mere second and priest saying it carries the original sin, altough it isn't capable to do anything YET.


Edited by Dimitri (02/03/09 04:31 AM)
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#19598 - 02/03/09 07:21 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Dimitri]
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My comments were in regards to Diavolo. A simple what if/possible outcome.

No shit, if Japan hadn't attacked us, we probably would have let all of Europe burn.

As for Israel, Before/During/and After WW2 no one wanted them.
The world in general gave them Palestine to shut them up and get rid of them. Yes, its not politically correct, but its true.

As I said before, and the other guys said before. We are stuck helping them because the powers that be don't know how to get rid of them or want to get rid of them.

In the current situation, they are the bullys and forced the Palenstines to Ghettos similiar to what they endured pre/during WW2.

There is really nothing to do except sit on a lawn chair and watch as they kill each other. That situation is just going to get worse.

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#19609 - 02/04/09 12:29 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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Another "what if" that's crossed my mind...

Russia, China, North Korea, many Arab nations, and Venezuela...
vs.
U.S.A., Israel, U.K., and some other "European" countries...

sorry for continuing the "off topic" thing, just something that I thought about when Russia and China started "joint military exercises", and when Venezuela bought a shitload of goodies from Russia.

The support of Israel just might be the U.S. "Achillies' Heel" in terms of United States foreign policy. And I like Jewish people...

I had an acquaintance that was going back to the "Motherland" for his daughters' Bat Mitzvah(s), I asked about his safety (this was a while back, when the shit was hitting the fan, as it seems to always do there), and he candidly told me... "You know the funny thing is... they all look the same." He was, of course referring to the more modern Jews and the Palestinians... their features.

To some degree, I'd have to agree. This was, of course, before the "wall".
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#19623 - 02/04/09 03:55 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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So if I'm not mistaken we are at the same wavelength?

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As I said before, and the other guys said before. We are stuck helping them because the powers that be don't know how to get rid of them or want to get rid of them.

Actually, the US has the power to get rid of them.
It's only immoral and in contradiction with human rights which holds them back.

Oh jeah morgan, my reply was in general and not necessary adressed to you.
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#19635 - 02/04/09 12:36 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Dimitri]
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Actually, the US has the power to get rid of them. It's only immoral and in contradiction with human rights which holds them back.


Would you mind explaining how exactly it is "immoral and in contradiction with human rights"? It would seem to me that the continued US support for Israel and their "inhumane" treatment of the Palestinians is more "immoral" etc.

The fact is, up until the end of WWII there was no Israel. They were given that strip of dirt to get them to shut up. (from what i've seen the place is a shithole and not worth killing/dying over)

The US government still feels somewhat responsible for the Holocaust, or at least a little guilty for waiting so long to enter the war. Because of that they feel indebted to them. Yes I know it is stupid, but that is the way it is.

In a way it is kind of like the indians being given the right to own casinos and grow peyote... "Hey there, sorry about the whole trail of tears thing and trying to wipe out your entire civilization....but as a consellation you can gamble and get high legally" (I am aware that not all indians own casionos and/or use peyote)

Also, one can not forget the strangle hold of manipulation they (the jews) have on US foreign policy through control of the World Bank etc. Just so we are clear, that is not an anti-semetic statment, it is the truth.

If the US government really gave a shit about making sure genocide never happened again they would have dones something about the situation in Darfur by now. Not to mention countless other instances where the US just stood back and watched.

Morgan is absolutely correct when she says the situation over there is just going to get worse and the best thing we can do is sit back and watch.

If they want to blow each other up, let them, but make sure they have to supply their own damn explosives. The only thing that will be achieved from the US continuing to support Israel is a rise in anti-american sentiment from the middle east and they hate us enough as it is.
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#19639 - 02/04/09 01:48 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Would you mind explaining how exactly it is "immoral and in contradiction with human rights"? It would seem to me that the continued US support for Israel and their "inhumane" treatment of the Palestinians is more "immoral" etc.

I'm not talking about supporting both of them.
I'm only mentioning they have the power to stop it once and for all without support to either of them. Or in better words: NUKE the fucking place. Some well-dropped "super-bombs" and missiles could easily erase all the problems. Surely they should pay a price for it, but it is way cheaper than literally pumping billions of $ in a war that continues.

What do you prefer? A war on a long base where there are only losses and you are sure of the problems will stay?
Or a short hard descision which erases all?

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Morgan is absolutely correct when she says the situation over there is just going to get worse and the best thing we can do is sit back and watch.

I didn't disagree with her, read a bit better.

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Not to mention countless other instances where the US just stood back and watched.

This sounds so egocentristic. Call things by their name.
So this sentence in my opinion should change from "stood back and watched" towards "don't give a damn".


Edited by Dimitri (02/04/09 01:53 PM)
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#19642 - 02/04/09 02:35 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
NUKE the fucking place. Some well-dropped "super-bombs" and missiles could easily erase all the problems.


Are you fucking kidding me? I can assure you that your suggestion that we "NUKE the fucking place." Would not easily erase all the problems. Quite to the contrary it would create way more problems.

Unless you are the drawing the conclusion that the nuking of them would cause every other country with nuclear weapons to launch theirs; pretty much destroying all life on earth. If that is what you are getting at, then yes, it would erase all the problems.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Surely they should pay a price for it, but it is way cheaper than literally pumping billions of $ in a war that continues.


Yes, the flow of money should stop. I am not diagreeing there. However, you didn't answer my original question. How would it be immoral for the US to pull their support for Israel? And I am not talking about supporting the Palestinians either. I mean the US governement out of that entire conflict.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
What do you prefer? A war on a long base where there are only losses and you are sure of the problems will stay? Or a short hard descision which erases all?


I would prefer the US stays out of it, period. I don't care if they want to blow each other up. I have already made that point clear; or at least I thought I did. Your "short hard decision that will erase all" will not really erase all sans nuclear apocalypse.


 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
I didn't disagree with her, read a bit better.


Right, because I said you disagreed with her......

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Not to mention countless other instances where the US just stood back and watched.

This sounds so egocentristic. Call things by their name.
So this sentence in my opinion should change from "stood back and watched" towards "don't give a damn".


Egocentric? I may have a bit of an ego, but that is besides the point; so fuck you. \:\) Call it standing back and watching, or not giving a damn, it is the same exact thing. One simply describes what they did while the other describes why. Which is exactly the point I was making in the first place.
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#19644 - 02/04/09 02:58 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Are you fucking kidding me? I can assure you that your suggestion that we "NUKE the fucking place." Would not easily erase all the problems. Quite to the contrary it would create way more problems.

And in my opinion I think it will.
This is getting opinion vs opinion and being a smart guy I know this could go on endlesly. So don't even try...

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How would it be immoral for the US to pull their support for Israel?

Already highlighted that part, read again.
And if you are being to tired/lazy/other things where I might be accused of flaming/... --> Nuking to some is immoral and against human rights since most people tend not to survive it in a pretty cruel way....

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Call it standing back and watching, or not giving a damn, it is the same exact thing.

They aren't. "Standing back and watching" can be interpretated as: "looking at a certain action without actual physical involvement but having a feeling about it".
And "don't give a damn"... well that part is clear...
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#19645 - 02/04/09 03:27 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Dimitri]
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If I may, nukes would NOT be the way to go. That option is a bit irresponsible right now. The negative effects on the environment could be too costly. It would be far wiser to use biological warfare. Using germs for genocide/ethnic cleansing would be far easier to clean up and would take much less time, and assuming we used one that only effected humans would be great so we could let scavengers clean up the mess naturally. Containment would be a dificult issue however.
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#19646 - 02/04/09 03:31 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: blsk]
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If I may, nukes would NOT be the way to go. That option is a bit irresponsible right now. The negative effects on the environment could be too costly.

Like the environnement right now is that clean...

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It would be far wiser to use biological warfare.

Good call, would fail also..
If I'm not mistaken they did a test once in Great-brittain with biological warfare... almost20-30 years ago?
Anyway, the site is still prohibited, it seems clean, but no animal could survive, only plants...
The dangerous part of biological warfare is the fact that it is uncontrolled to a certain degree once put in action.
Microbs, viruses and other pathogenes tend to spread quite fast over kilometers in some minutes. While radioactivity can be controlled. We can calculate roughly where a "fall-out" may occur and where a safe distance is from the actual explosion.


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#19647 - 02/04/09 03:39 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Dimitri]
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I may be giving the govt. too much credit here but I think 20-30 years could allow us to provide a more successful germ, also you mentioning plants reminded me that scientists have been using fungi to clean contaminated sites. I think that would be great. The animals could repopulate later, kill the people, count your losses(consisder the animals collateral damage) and use fungi to clean up naturally.
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#19949 - 02/08/09 09:42 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: blsk]
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It has been my experience that people who talk about the Palestinian problem usually don't know what the fuck they are talking about. Really, spend a year living in that part of the world and get back to me.

I would say that in general, Palestinians and Israelis are two groups of people who deserve each other. No Muslim nation wanted to accept Palestinian refugees and most of the population of Israel is made of people who were encouraged to leave Europe.

Israel for it's part is at least made up of people who came from a Western background who at the very least understand things like democracy and rule of law.
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#21670 - 03/07/09 02:05 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Fist]
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I am not fond of Jews.
Not that fond of Moslems either...

I have no love for Israel.
But I detest Hamas as well.

If someone kept on firing rockets against my friends & neighbours. I am quite sure that I would have had enough after a while.
In my view; the Israeli military aggression is both justified and quite understandable.

Anyways; "the strip of desert" (Palestine) was another mans land.
And this land was given away by the UN in order to feel better about allowing the distasteful Holocaust-thingie to happen.
Bad idea, really bad idea...

Jews and Arabs are basically the same people, both populations are Semitic.
(The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern people originating in southwestern Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites, "wiki-quote".)
But; the Jews is claiming to be Gods own people, and tend to be a tad superior about it...

Bit about the workings of Israeli culture (also scissored from Wikipedia), which might explain a thing or two:

By the time the State of Israel was proclaimed, the majority of Jews in the state and the region were Ashkenazi (European Jews). Following the declaration of the state, a flood of Jewish migrants and refugees entered Israel from the Arab world and the Muslim world in general. Most were Sephardim and Mizrahim, Jews from the Maghreb, Yemenite Jews, Bukhorim, Persian Jews, Iraqi Jews, Kurdish Jews, and smaller communities, principally from Libya, Egypt and Turkey. More recently, other communities have also arrived including Ethiopian Jews and Indian Jews. Because of the relative homogeneity of Ashkenazic Jewry, especially by comparison to the diversity of the many smaller communities, over time in Israel, all Jews from Europe came to be called "Ashkenazi" in Israel, whether or not they had any connection with Germany, while Jews from Africa and Asia have come to be called "Sephardi", whether or not they had any connection with Spain. One reason is that most African and Asian Jewish communities use the Sephardic prayer ritual and abide by the rulings of Sephardic rabbinic authorities, and therefore consider themselves to be "Sephardim" in the broader sense of "Jews of the Spanish rite", though not in the narrower sense of "Spanish Jews". Similarly "Ashkenazim" has the broader sense of "Jews of the German rite".

The founders of modern Israel, mostly European-descended people, believed themselves superior to these new arrivals. With higher degrees of Western-standard education, they were better positioned to take full advantage of the emerging Western-style liberal democracy and Western mode of living which they themselves had established as the cultural norm in Palestine during the pre-state era.

Cultural and/or "racial" biases against the newcomers were compounded by the fledgling state's lack of financial resources and inadequate housing to handle the massive population influx. Thus, hundreds of thousands of new Sephardic immigrants were sent to live in tent cities in outlying areas. Sephardim (in its wider meaning) were often victims of discrimination, and were sometimes called schwartze (meaning "black" in Yiddish). One immigrant from Iraq recalls being given a tent when first arriving in Israel, while a neighbor from Germany was given an apartment. Those Sephardic Jews lucky enough to get an apartment were placed in inexpensive concrete apartment blocks that were for the most part of a lesser standard than those erected to house Europeans or Westerners.

Worse than housing discrimination was the differential treatment accorded the children of these immigrants, many of whom were tracked by the largely European education establishment into dead-end "vocational" schools, without any real assessment of their intellectual capacities. Mizrahi Jews protested their unfair treatment, and even established the Israeli Black Panthers movement with the mission of working for social justice.

The effects of this early discrimination still linger a half-century later, as documented by the studies of the Adva Center [18], a highly respected think tank on social equality, and by other Israeli academic research (cf., for example, Tel Aviv University Professor Yehuda Shenhav's article in Hebrew documenting the gross underrepresentation of Sephardic Jewry in Israeli high school history textbooks, [19]. Every Israeli prime minister has been Ashkenazi, although Sephardim and Mizrahim have attained the (ceremonial) presidency and other high positions. The student bodies of Israel's universities remain overwhelmingly European in origin, despite the fact that roughly half the country's population is non-European. And the tent cities of the 1950s morphed into so-called "development towns". Scattered over border areas of the Negev Desert and the Galilee, far from the bright lights of Israel's major cities, most of these towns never had the critical mass or ingredients to succeed as places to live, and they continue to suffer from high unemployment, inferior schools, and chronic brain drain.

While the Israeli Black Panthers no longer exist, [19] the Mizrahi Democratic Rainbow Coalition and many other NGOs carry on the struggle for equal access and opportunity in housing, education, and employment for the country's underprivileged populace - still largely composed of Sephardim and Mizrahim, joined now by newer immigrants from Ethiopia and the Caucasus Mountains.

Intermarriage of all these regathered Jewish ethnic groups was initially uncommon, due in part to distances of each group's settlement in Israel, and cultural and/or "racial" biases. In recent generations, however, the barriers were lowered by state sponsored assimilation of all the Jewish ethnic groups into a common Sabra (native-born Israeli) identity which facilitated extensive "mixed-marriages".
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#24279 - 05/08/09 05:44 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Woland]
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although this is an older thread, i'm curious to understand the tendency towards anti-semitism that i'm clearly reading.

what is the purpose of such nationalistic distinctions with regard to race?

why not recognize israel as possibly something separate from "jews"? jews are not necessarily in agreement with israel's cause. many jews are as far removed from the israeli nation and cause (and the jewish religion), as black americans are from the congo, or those with non-jewish european backgrounds are from christianity.

this is tantamount to declaring anyone on this forum with such ancestral roots as christian.

muslims, on the other hand, are definitely religious, although not every muslim is arabic.

pigeon-holing and targeting jews as somehow in favor of an ethnically cleansed israeli state is inaccurate, and would be inaccurate in the case of any diasporic ethnic group.

can someone explain this logically to me?
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#24292 - 05/08/09 03:29 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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clarification-
this is not to say i didn't find the video informative and refreshing. finally, something mainstream that is questioning a situation which is, due to aforementioned guilt, taboo.
it also doesn't mean i think anyone on here is christian or white, or that i care what ethnic background you have. i just wondered if there could be more of a distinction made between israelis (who are jewish), and jews (who are not necessarily israeli or religious).
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#24294 - 05/08/09 04:23 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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Of course there can be a distinction between Jews and Israelis. But Jew, as used in many cases here, does not relate to geography or religion as much as to culture. And there is a difference between Jews located in Israel and Jews located in other parts of the world, as much as there is a difference in Turks here or in their own country. And like with everything there is a difference between the Jews themselves.

Still, when people debate it here, they often debate about the things they dislike. And of course this isn't the absolute truth. Not everything is black and white and not all Jews are National-Zionists but at the same time, one has to take a position on things because being a relativist doesn't lead anywhere except into degeneration. For every argument contra, there is an example pro but it's not because someone gives you 50$ for each blow to your head that it makes things all right.

Am I antisemitic? No, certainly not and at the same time I surely am. If you explain antisemitic as hating Jews, I am not. If you explain antisemitic as hating certain dominant aspects of Jewish culture whether here or in Israel, I am without a doubt. Of course, antisemitic is as easily thrown around as the racist accusation. Criticism nowadays equals racism or antisemitism; it's the easiest way to make the other party appear less credible.

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#24299 - 05/08/09 08:28 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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daniella weiss is obviously not alone in her efforts to prevent a peace deal, and her zeal is hypocritical to say the least. the entire state of affairs in israel is hypocritical. but assuming that this is how all jews are is an oversimplification.

where does branding jews lead? certainly not toward relativism.
being anti-israel is, to me at least, not a wholly unwise stance. if you want to criticize jewish culture, go ahead. but a well thought out criticism of jewish culture does not seem to present itself in this thread.
in fact, i have seen very few references to jewish culture at all; but i have read a lot of misinformation. for instance, i know it was said in jest, but the jews did not kill jesus (too bad...)

there are some points that are very well stated without being particularly anti-semitic. here is a logical criticism, to quote nemesis: " The only reason I can justify the US's continued presence in Israel and its defense thereof, is that it keeps the Middle East in a state of constant turmoil. When everyone's busy hating the Jews, and Palestinians are firing rockets here and Israel's firing theirs over there, who's got the time or resources to form powerful unions? Unions that could make the Middle East a strong, and feared international force to reckon with."

all i'm trying to say is that there are well-founded objections to US involvement in israel in this thread, good solid criticisms. why pepper them with blanket inaccurate statements about "jews" being rich or manipulative, or deserving the nazi holocaust?

it's unfortunate that the appellation "racism" is often used in the media to discredit worthwhile political (and ethno-political) critiques. however, is it possible such opinions will have a greater impact and more validity if the appraisal is not seasoned with aspersions?
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#24300 - 05/08/09 08:35 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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slightly off topic, but here are some other interesting examples of religious extremists who believe they've been chosen or ordered by god to do inane shit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Anwsku-9IiY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIoFiDE2awM&feature=related
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#24305 - 05/09/09 12:55 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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Look in a nutshell, people are stupid and manipulitive.

People will twist information to their own views.

In my life, my tattoo artist is a Satanist(former Jew) born in Isreal.
My old slave was an Isreal jew.
I found out tonight a jew tried to help the south get the backing of france and england against the north, during the civil war.

People will do whatever is necessary to make money and survive.

When people live up to their sterotypes, they are their own sterotypes.

I think its a matter of looking at the big pictue and outside the box.

Isreal was created after world war II, because no one country wanted them.

Isreal is now doing to the Palenstines the same thing that was done to them by the Nazi's.

Its not a matter of being rasist, it's a matter of just disliking people for being an asshole.

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#24315 - 05/09/09 03:27 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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i suppose if i dislike someone enough i will call negative attention to aspects that really have nothing to do with that individual. hence, i might reference their race, religion, whether or not they're overweight or have warts as somehow playing a significant role in my judgement upon them.

while this ultimately proves fruitless, it is oddly satisfying, so perhaps it serves some sort of self-indulgent purpose.

it is true that many important satanists were/are jews. and apparently slaves as well. it looks like someone never made it out of egypt!
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#24334 - 05/09/09 02:01 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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Are you aware that the evidence supporting Jewish enslavement in Egypt is severly lacking? That is unless you consider the Bible to be an accurate historical document.
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#24337 - 05/09/09 03:52 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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Of course the branding of Jews does not lead to relativism. It polarizes and personally I do not find that a bad thing at all. What we need is more polarization but maybe I view it different because Iím a European and think our disease needs some good extremism from all sides to be eradicated.

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#24338 - 05/09/09 04:11 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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yes, yes, i am aware.
i was making a joke about morgan's jewish slave.

maybe i'm a dork, but i thought it was funny. obviously the humor is lost now.
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#24339 - 05/09/09 04:13 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan

Isreal is now doing to the Palenstines the same thing that was done to them by the Nazi's.


Morgan, you do realize it has become that ridiculous that this statement officially declares you to be antisemitic. Down here, in a society that is supposed to be driven by the Enlightenment of the past, we are allowed to mock all and everything but some things are holier than god again.

If I'd publicly state that 1.4 million killed in Auschwitz between 42 and 45 would require some amazing sort of logistics, I can be jailed. If however, I state that maybe Stalin only killed 3 and a dog, I am just giving my opinion, no harm done.

A weird world we live in.

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#24340 - 05/09/09 04:17 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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why does that statement make morgan anti-semitic?
it seemed to me to be a rather depressing dose of reality....


*i should add that i think morgan's viewpoint is generally pretty wise.
or wait, or is this another joke, and i'm just gullible?

**now my secret's out!


Edited by miriam (05/09/09 04:20 PM)
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#24341 - 05/09/09 04:19 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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I'm going to quote to show just how deeply we are infected by our disease.

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In 2005, the European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC), a body of the European Union, developed a more detailed discussion: "Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities. In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for 'why things go wrong'."

The EUMC then listed "contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere." These included: "Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews; accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group; denying the Holocaust; and accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. The EUMC also discussed ways in which attacking Israel could be antisemitic, e.g.

* Denying the Jewish people the right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor;
* Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation;
* Using the symbols and images associated with classic anti-Semitism (e.g. claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis;
* Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis;
* Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the State of Israel.


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#24342 - 05/09/09 04:31 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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ah. thank you. je comprends.

call me crazy, but a lot of this sounds reasonable to me.
however, these two points do not:

"Denying the Jewish people the right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor"
and
"Applying double standards by requiring of Israel a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation"

i think that's one of the biggest problems- the EUMC is creating it's own double standard. criticizing a nation's policies and global involvement should be a vital part of social questioning. if we cannot question, we cannot progress.




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#24343 - 05/09/09 04:52 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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Of course they are double standards, look at Ireland or Spain. The right to self-determination doesn't seem an allowed option there. Even in my country there is some mild turmoil because the Flemish are talking about divorcing from the Walloons. If we'd take it some steps further, Europe might step in.

At political levels, elected parties that might not be in tune with Leftist preferences, are cut out of the political debate. Down here we call it the cordon sanitaire, in reality implying all the leftists gather up until they have enough political power to keep the Right out of it. So they are shouting about democracy in Iraq and Iran and at the same time here blocking that result of the democratic process they don't like.

So please excuse me that I revolt against this whole Leftist nonsense and especially against the divinity of anything Jewish here. If Satan can turn Jesus upside down, so he can with Leftist expectations.

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#24345 - 05/09/09 05:27 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: miriam]
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 Originally Posted By: miriam
yes, yes, i am aware.
i was making a joke about morgan's jewish slave.

maybe i'm a dork, but i thought it was funny. obviously the humor is lost now.


Ah, I see. Forgive me, I find it difficult to pick up on humor and sarcasm early in the morning.
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#24352 - 05/09/09 11:11 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Bacchae]
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I suggest a read of Jessica Stern's "Terrorism In The Name Of God".
It offers insight into this whole subject....
also illustrating the business of terrorism.....
I believe that regardless of ideology that as long as someone somewhere is making money from all of this......
It will continue.....
There are other interesting aspects of this book.

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#24475 - 05/11/09 09:16 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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We live in a fucked up world.

People are only comfortable with their own views and will hunt, kill, and prosecute anyone who differs with them. Just because they deny a truth doesn't make it untrue.

Apply this to any nation, religion, or political party.

If you think or question anything outside the box, it may end up biting you in the ass, but some of "us" have to question everything including the taboo shit.

As Satanists, we are screwed. We see the stupidity and bullshit that blinds other people and only have very limited ways to affect things without getting burned.

Yes, there may be a bunch of us all over the place and it may be growing. BUT there are still those people who believe in a "god form" would burn us alive.

Morgan
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#24477 - 05/12/09 02:40 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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This is a rather revealing article about the European disease. When reading this, it might become understandable why in many countries there is a move to the right.

Fear masquerading as tolerance

D.

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#24488 - 05/12/09 07:30 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Diavolo]
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Excellent article, D. I will read and send to others of like mind that I know of.
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#24513 - 05/13/09 01:37 AM Re: ordered by god [Re: Nemesis]
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Thank you, the article does explain a great deal about the European mindset in regards to these issues.

Morgan
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#24554 - 05/13/09 08:30 PM Re: ordered by god [Re: Morgan]
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Thank you for that link Diavolo. I'm three quarters into the article, and it's spot on. I can't find any fault in it at all.
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