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#19798 - 02/06/09 05:47 PM Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak...
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I came across this site: http://www.vdare.com

I thought is might be of interest of others here.

Below is a sample of their work. Enjoy...

February 05, 2009
Diversity Is Strength! It’s Also…Selling Your 14-Year Old Daughter?

By Brenda Walker

A recent cultural offense in California got international attention: the Mexican who sold his 14-year-old daughter for cash and beer—a nasty mishmash of a tale with too many twisted hooks for the press to ignore. The beer angle may have initially attracted friends of the noble brew, but the pedophile and slavery aspects likely left a bitter taste of diversity depravity.

Time and more details have only added to the ugly.

The first reports were bad enough. A father from Oaxaca, Marcelino de Jesus Martinez, arranged with an 18-year-old neighbor to trade 160 cases of beer, six cases of meat, $16,000 and other assorted beverages in exchange for his 14-year-old daughter. And when the groom, Margarito Galindo, was not forthcoming with the loot even after the girl had obediently moved in with him, concerned dad Martinez went to the police to complain about non-payment.

Both men are illegal aliens from Mexico.

The Greenfield PD has been propagandized with the usual ethnic sensitivity training—look at this PowerPoint presentation [16.2 MB] on the fine points of Oaxacan indigenous culture on its website. But the police appreciation of diversity did not extend to endangerment of a child.

The initial charge against Martinez was Penal Code section 266D, taking money or valuables in return for allowing a person to live with someone to whom they are not married, a felony. (Slavery is illegal in California, but maybe the police didn’t think of that.)

Police Chief Joe Grebmeier noted that Martinez' actions would not be illegal in Mexico, including arranging the marriage of a 14-year-old girl, because the age of consent is 12 in some locales. Greenfield police have heard rumors of girls that young being sold into marriage in the city. But the recent case is the first one where the perp went to the police and announced his behavior.

" ‘There was no force, fear or coercion,’ [Chief Grebmeier] said. ‘What we're dealing with now is a difference in cultures. All of this would have been perfectly legal where they came from.’ [...]

“But culture clash or not, Grebmeier said, he was compelled to enforce the law. He said he had appeared at community meetings to warn recent immigrants against pursuing underage marriages. And when his department looked into reports about the 14-year-old girl, finding a matchmaker and ‘documents used in the negotiation,’ he acted.

" ‘I'm tasked with protecting my community, and 14-year-old girls need a lot of protection,’ he said. [Teen's arranged marriage is allowed in native Mexico, By Steve Chawkins, LA Times, January 15, 2009]

It would have been nice for the Chief to voice more enthusiasm for the rights of women and girls present in American culture, rather than make excuses for Mexican illegal aliens. But politically correct police chiefs are common in Mexifornia, At least Grebmeier did arrest the perp when the chips were down.

The Mexican apologists began squawking just a few days after police arrested daddy Martinez. The local Oaxacan mouthpieces insisted that the situation was a "misunderstanding"—a characterization which reveals how little respect they have for our legal system:

“ ‘The use of terms like 'sell' is incorrect, because these are dowries that are requested,’ according to a statement by FIOB representatives Gaspar Rivera Salgado and Rufino Domínguez. ‘We know dowries are not an exclusive practice of indigenous communities. Other European and Asian cultures used to use them in the past and some still practice the tradition—yet they aren't accused of “selling” their daughters.’ " [Oaxacans Indignant Over Case of Man who 'Sold' Daughter, By Mireya Olivera, Translated by Elena Shore, New America Media, Jan 17, 2009].

Actually, a dowry is defined as "the money, goods, or estate that a wife brings to her husband at marriage" which is the opposite of the Mexican arrangement. Even misogynous India has tried to stamp out the dowry practice, which is still the source of bride murders when the groom or his family is unsatisfied with their swag.

Time magazine used the correct terminology: Bride Prices: Native Mexican Custom or Modern Day Crime?. Its February 1 article on the Greenfield case included fascinating diversity details:

"San Juan Copala village council secretary Macario Garcia claims the bride price makes the husband commit to the marriage, reducing breakups. ‘It is so the man gives value to his wife and so he won't easily leave her for another woman,’ Garcia says, sitting in the shade of a wooden hut under the glare of rugged hilltops. In the ancient tradition, he explains, the suitor negotiates the marriage with the family through a so-called ‘ambassador.’ After a deal has been struck, the suitor then goes to meet and collect the bride at 2 a.m. on a Wednesday morning. Local custom also permits polygamy and some men in the Triqui region have up to seven wives.” [Emphasis added]

Seven wives? Say, even generous Mohammed allowed only four to his randy followers. (Although Mo's assurance of 72 virgins in the Islamic Paradise must certainly rank as the top ogasmatronic religious promise in history.)

As a cultural aside, ordinary Americans still expect foreigners to assimilate to our law and customs, even after multiculturalism has been relentlessly promoted by elites as the highest good for decades. A 2005 Rasmussen poll found that two-thirds (67%) of Americans said that those who move to the USA should "adopt America's culture, language, and heritage." Just 17 percent thought it was acceptable for immigrants to retain their home culture.

A 2006 Zogby poll determined that only 26 percent believed that current immigrants were assimilating adequately, and 67 percent thought immigration should be reduced so the melting pot could begin to work on those already here.

Assimilation is working in one respect: By the time Salinas County held the preliminary hearing on Friday, Jan 30, daddy Martinez was duly lawyered up with counsel who said his client was "as much a victim as the girl in this case".

The courtroom scene must have been Babel from hell. Martinez doesn't converse in English or Spanish. He speaks the language of his Triqui tribe. So proceedings and testimony had to go from Triqui to Spanish to English and back again. The girl testified in Triqui, saying that she was kidnapped. But none of the reporters were curious about whether she attends school, which is also required by American law, so that aspect remains unclear.

Here's a fascinating bit of Mexican culture that turned up during the hearing:

"[Defense attorney J.] Hernandez maintains the case involves ‘me la robo,’ a custom sometimes carried out in parts of Mexico by young men who have no money for a traditional dowry. Under the practice, the young man takes a girl, with her cooperation or not, and has sex with her, then asks her parents for permission to marry her. Because of cultural and religious taboos surrounding virginity, permission is usually granted."[Greenfield Girl Testifies She Was Kidnapped by Teen, By Virginia Hennessey, Monterrey Herald, January 31, 2008]

Is this the kind of diversity we want in America? Primitive indigenous practices from Mexico's back country? There's a reason why we don't want 14-year-old children to make life-determining decisions—they are not mature enough.

In addition, the couple never did get married—apparently the Triqui custom is far less formal—but Gallindo did have sex with the girl every day of the two weeks that they were together.

If they wanted to live according to their tribal culture, they should have stayed put in Oaxaca—no problema, then.

But the day ended with Judge Larry Hayes charging daddy Martinez with a list of crimes, namely the felony charges of procuring a child for sex, aiding and abetting statutory rape, and child endangerment; plus a misdemeanor count of cruelty to a child. The accused could be sentenced to 8 years in the slammer if convicted on all charges. Hope springs eternal.

Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised at Greenfield's's unpleasant treatment of young girls—this is not the first instance of indifference to Mexican piggyman behavior. In 2001, concerned citizens in the town contacted the INS because of a menacing crowd of foreign farm workers who gathered every morning and afternoon when schoolgirls walked through downtown to watch them and catcall.

"Frustrated by what they saw as the Police Department's ineffectiveness, parents, school workers and even some students turned to the INS.

“'These guys come out here twice a day, you can set your watch by them,' said one downtown worker who asked that her name not be used. ‘They stare at the girls, and follow them and push up against them and intimidate them.

“'It's so infuriating,' she said. 'I've complained to the police, and they just shrug and ask, "What do you expect us to do about it?" It's just sexist.'"[A Town Divided: INS deports 39 after schoolgirls and parents complained of harassment, By Maria Alicia Gaura, San Francisco Chronicle, April 16, 2001]

Kidnapping and rape are crimes. The parents were simply trying to protect their kids by taking pre-emptive action against a dangerous situation where those crimes might happen.

Needless to say, the parents were called “racists” and threatened by the local reconquistas. But the moms who raised the alarm were Hispanic, just like most people in town (88 percent in 2000).

This situation was another case of non-assimilation. Mexican males regard public harassment of women and girls as normal behavior and the right of men. Mexico City has made attempts at retraining, but it's a tough sell there to turn down the volume on traditional machismo. In 2006, the big suits launched a campaign of public service announcements designed to decrease workplace harassment of female employees.

But it must not have worked out well. Perhaps billboards showing sex dolls dressed as office workers sent the opposite message to what was intended. The government apparently gave up on efforts to shape behavior, and turned to simple physical restraint; the authorities designated a number of buses in the capital city as not available to men, to the great happiness of women thrilled to be able to get around without being groped.

As one Mexican man remarked about the necessity for the program: "Truly in this society there is no culture of respect for women."

Amen to that. Yet many Americans are shocked and dismayed when they catch a glimpse of Mexican culture's dark side.

The press loves to pontificate about Mexico's alleged family values. But that fantasy doesn't hold up when the facts are revealed.

When a 14-year-old girl is sold by her father for cash and beer in a farm town 80 miles from San Jose, Americans should realize that the diversity train has run off the tracks and needs to be stopped entirely.

Brenda Walker (email her) lives in Northern California and publishes two websites, LimitsToGrowth.org and ImmigrationsHumanCost.org. The Greenfield case reminds her of sociologist Robert Putnam's remark, "The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined."
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#19804 - 02/06/09 06:45 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Fist]
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What's your point? Hamish, Cajun and perverse people from Iowa don't make the news?
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#19811 - 02/06/09 07:27 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: joseph oreilly]
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Thank you Fist. These kinds of things bring torn feelings. One HUGE problem I have is with what some call "tolerance." Tolerance is what's wrong with this world today, always has been. It is nothing short of infuriating that these "things" expect us to cater to them. Just because they have a stupid and corrupt culture doesn't mean we should have to lower ourselves to suit their every want and need. There is a time and place for everything, in this case it is called South America. Keep it there. It is too bad that such a beautiful piece of land is tainted and wasted on such a dumb "people" as it is, but we need not let it infect more. It would be a matter of time before they made offers on the women in YOUR family(much like they do on my truck). Granted, people do what works. If they can get what they want out of any particular act they will continue to do so. Which is why there is still crime...it works. Should we tolerate it just because that is how some choose to do things? It is a shame intolerance and inequality have been given such an ugly face by ignorance. It is unwise to excersize such all-loving ideals. God forbid someone be offended. This kind of PC bull-shit is a complete waste of energy and time, arguing over what is "fair." I am rambling now but am fed up with these kinds of stories that get dragged out because SOMEONE doesn't feel they got their fair share.
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#19830 - 02/07/09 12:09 AM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: blsk]
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Infuriated as well...

But let us not "generalize" that "All of Mexico", or "All of South America" is this way. They are not all "dumb"... "people".

But that is my white-light hippie-love shit angle that is apparently repulsive.

People do, indeed, "do what works", and this is a problem in my "neck of the woods" as well. Drug lords with power, and people, and shitloads of fantastic weaponry are outgunning, buying, bribing, and threatening the police force in Northern Mexico. Someone's cousin is a police officer, who gets shit pay, and is paid a myriad times more for just looking the other way, or burying an investigation. If not, they're dead. They'll find you, or your family, or ones dear to you... "Social Darwinism" favors the strong drug-lords for now, and you're either with them, or your police car is literally riddled with bullets, right through the front windshield, your family is killed, as is anyone that says a damned thing.

I've seen progress on the "wall" on the border, firsthand, and it's tall, and wide... perhaps this is a "first step"...
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#19831 - 02/07/09 12:39 AM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: daevid777]
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Enjoy it while you can. This video may be removed again. In part it speaks to this subject. Overall, it speaks to the ills affecting America today. You may not agree with the song's use of "Amen", but I think this speaks volumes.
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#19833 - 02/07/09 01:26 AM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: fakepropht]
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Thanks for posting that...

I'm in a unique position, as I've said before... I look white, raised "white" (whatever the hell that is), and half-Mexican.

I agree with the "great white guilt" problem, and I think its time is over...

Still to this very day, people make their livelihood on making fun of the white people. Eddie Murphy was funny relative to time, and I have to laugh at George Lopez... to a degree.

Just get some huge, muscular, intelligent, intimidating whitey comic, with a bald head (for effect), making hilarious critiques and characterizations of an entire "racial orientation"... and then you have...

but perhaps we've digressed, or it was just me...
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#19847 - 02/07/09 06:54 AM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: daevid777]
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I often wonder if anyone really believes the average person of any ethnicity is anything other than a jerk. To me, "average" and "jerk" are synonyms regardless of ethnicity. Nevertheless, I certainly prefer living in the culture I am familiar with and have no particular desire to see it morph into something else simply because keeping it the way it is might offend someone. Canadian culture is pretty similar to that of the USA, so it seems to me that I could speak of a North American culture, which I would prefer to preserve as is until something obviously superior becomes available, an example of which would never be Mexican culture from what I know of it. I see no intelligent reason to be an ethnic chauvinist but I am in fact a cultural chauvinist. I would put laws in place to protect North American culture from South American encroachment, beginning with laws that require everyone who lives here to master English, because people who can't speak English will never assimilate.
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#19864 - 02/07/09 10:25 AM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Zoid]
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I would put laws in place to protect North American culture from South American encroachment, beginning with laws that require everyone who lives here to master English, because people who can't speak English will never assimilate.


An example of this happened just the other day about a mile from where I live. Hispanic woman who didn't know English was sprayed, "beaten", and arrested for resisting arrest. She refused to sign a traffic ticket. I think the cop could have handled it better by calling for spanish speaking backup. Full article here

As a follow up, she knew enough to hire a lawyer and sue our fine city.
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#19865 - 02/07/09 10:39 AM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: fakepropht]
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I would put laws in place to protect North American culture from South American encroachment, beginning with laws that require everyone who lives here to master English, because people who can't speak English will never assimilate.

Then you'll have to face the problem they come on "vacation" and disappear suddenly. Happens daily here, most get arrested at airports here but some manage to dissappear only to be found back in a Mercedes in front of a building stuffed with immigrants.

Nice article Fake, after reading it I somehow got the feeling both sides made mistakes. But clearly the little bitch whining about her Hispanic background has deserved it.
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#19873 - 02/07/09 01:05 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: fakepropht]
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Hispanic woman who didn't know English was sprayed, "beaten", and arrested for resisting arrest.


Now there are tax dollars at work!

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I think the cop could have handled it better by calling for spanish speaking backup.


Honestly, who gives a fuck? These people come from various third world shit holes and then work diligently to turn the US of A into a 'little third world shit hole.' This is exactly the sort of treatment they can expect in their own country. I am just glad that our indigenous law enforcement can oblige them and give them a little taste of home.

Outfits like La Raza (The Great Race) and Casa de Maryland should be providing these sorts of translation services. We The People have no obligation to pay for translation services for foreign invaders.
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#19877 - 02/07/09 02:48 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Fist]
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It is interesting how racial and cultural 'diversity' is both the battle cry and the ultimate champion of our sickly and politically correct society..but only to the point of trying to actually preserve it.

Once that line is crossed it becomes the ultimate antagonist to those same people that mindlessly parrot it's greatness.
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#19879 - 02/07/09 03:02 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Dan_Dread]
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The country is going to hell for lots of reasons.

Mostly people get frustrated with illegal aliens because they are working out side the system, yet try to/or appear to get benefits, etc.

When times are tough, people blame/need a scapegoat.

I guess blaming mexicans is easier than blaming arabs since we need their oil.

I'm not in favor any idiot getting beat up by cops.
Thats just dumb, didn't anyone learn anything from Rodney King?

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#19914 - 02/07/09 08:45 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Morgan]
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I have to disagree with you Morgan, the reason people have a problem with mexicans is because they do not want to embrace the better life America has to offer, they want to spread their stupid corrupt culture north...period. There are many others who come here for its intended purpose, to BETTER the life you would have had had you stayed put. That is NOT what the majority of "southerners" want.

Now I agree with you Daevid, that not all are that way. The majority, however, are. You cannot deny the obvious. Any honest person from that region will admit it. "Stereotypes" are so for a reason...because they are true. A friend of mine who I have been friends with since high-school is a full blown mexican and he is right there with me when I call the majority "spics." He does it as do I(and no, him being of the same race doesn't give him more rights to it than it does myself), just the same as my pal Martin(who is black) will agree with me when we call a black man who lives DOWN to a stereotype a "nigger." We all have honest, realistic relationships between ourselves.
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#19928 - 02/07/09 11:50 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: blsk]
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Yeah, I was thinking about this today... and I see your point.

Seeing the "culture" first-hand, however, I have an appreciation for many aspects... then I realized I was just "picking and choosing" - looking back on it as a "whole" - the picture becomes much more ugly.

Of course there are things you like, and things you dislike abount any "culture", but I'll stick with the U.S. thank you very much. And I certainly would not want it to become Mexico - I'm hoping there was no confusion there...
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#19945 - 02/08/09 09:22 AM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: daevid777]
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Morgan, I think you miss the point. What 'we' object to is the ghettoization of America. Unlike European immigrants of the past (Irish, Poles, Italians ect) these new immigrants have no interest in becoming Americans. Europe has the same problem. They are awash in Muslims who are bound and determined to put Europe under Sharia Law.

The reason the Third World looks like it does is because of the cultural attitudes of the people who live there.
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#19968 - 02/08/09 02:24 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Fist]
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Exactly Fist. Third-world countries do not produce stupid, corrupt people...stupid, corrupt people produce third-world countries.
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#19974 - 02/08/09 03:09 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Fist]
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I dont think so.

Its not only the mexicans.
When I lived in bklyn, it was the Italians & Russians, a lot of them didnt want to learn english, and refuse to.
Ghettos/enclaves where new immigrants live enmass is nothing new.
The problem is that they are moving beyond the enclave and expecting it to all be the same shit.

Its more visual with the Mexicans because there are so many of them living here now. Just as with the Muslims in Europe, they just moved there instead of here.

Unless, you put some backbone into immigration policies, and enforce/push nationalism on a global scale, it wont make a difference. The biggest majority rules, and the Muslims are outbreeding Europeans, just like Mexicans are doing here.

Third world, is never far away. We have it here, just no one likes to talk about it. My neighborhood sucks now, boarded up house down the block, bodega wont stay open past midnight because the area sucks. Unemployement at 7-10% in some areas, and that number is going to get worse with this economy.

I think things are just going to get worse here and blaming the mexicans is easy, cause it takes the blame off of someone else.

Besides, what exactly is our cultural attitude at this point?
Is it closer to MTV or CNN or Fox News?


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#19986 - 02/08/09 06:04 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: blsk]
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I am amazed at how many people don't understand this. Crime causes poverty because no one wants operate a business in a high crime area. Thus businesses move away and the problems get worse.

The same goes for the third world.
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#19989 - 02/08/09 07:49 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: Fist]
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Crime causes poverty causes crime. It is a vicious cycle that has to start somewhere.

There are other factors that lead to the creation of a 3rd world other than the "cultural attitudes of its inhabitants". And what makes a country 3rd world anyway?

This country is close to becoming 3rd world because of the financial crisis which has very little, if anything, to do with immigrants.

Although I agree immigrants should be forced to master English.
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#19990 - 02/08/09 08:50 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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(This country is close to becoming 3rd world because of the financial crisis which has very little, if anything, to do with immigrants.)

-I agree that this country is close to becoming third-world, but not because of the financial crisis. It is because we are letting "third-world" mentality seep into our culture and worse yet, political state and govt. offices. There is a growing acceptance in some areas for border-jumpers who have no real value at all. Amnesty and so on...it is all supported by people who are either too lazy and/or dishonest to see what these people are truly like, or they are plain and simple accepting of it, in which case it will be the breaks that cause a screeching halt to the high standards it is soo politically incorrect to try to uphold and speak out in support of.
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#20010 - 02/08/09 11:17 PM Re: Diversity is Strength and other Newspeak... [Re: blsk]
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There's also the "birthright" thing... born on U.S. soil an American citizen is made...

The old joke when we used to go over the border to shop, or party... if a women has a baby on this side of the middle of the river... the one with the American flag... her kid's an American... (oversimplification, of course... but this happens everyday in other ways)

They don't call them "illegals" anymore, by the way, the new and improved politically correct vocabulary defines them as: "Undocumented Immigrant".

Nice.
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