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#19887 - 02/07/09 04:55 PM Racial Double Standards
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This might open up a can of worms but...ever notice the racial double standards that runs rampant in North America...Okay, examples.

Black History Month,
Every year we have black history month, a month dedicated to the accomplishments of African Americans. Now, imagine there were to be a White History Month. White History Month would be deemed racist. Whether you would agree with me or not, there would be a hell of a lot of backlash from non-white populations in North America.

Anything that would have to do with pride about being white would be seen as racist or have something to do with white supremacy.

I myself am not racist, I believe humans, no matter what "race" are humans, we are all the same, sure we may have different skin color or different religious backgrounds etc, but we are human, nonetheless. The white "race" seems to be the only race that are not allowed to have a holiday or celebration about being white. Not saying that I want a holiday like this, not out of fear of reprisal but simply because I am apathetic towards celebrations like these. I just find it funny that being proud to be white is considered racist and being proud to be anything else is accepted.
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#19888 - 02/07/09 05:03 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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 Originally Posted By: Jester
I just find it funny that being proud to be white is considered racist and being proud to be anything else is accepted.


Oddly enough, I have not one, but two holidays that celebrate my ethnicity!

I'm seven eighths Italian and one eighth Irish. Columbus Day is my Italian holiday and Saint Patrick's Day is my Irish one! \:\)

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#19889 - 02/07/09 05:07 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Zoid]
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But do you get my point? How being proud to be white is racist? I just find it funny how if I were to walk the street screaming, "I love being white" people would think that I am racist or that I hate other ethnicity's. I just think it's a huge double standard.
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#19893 - 02/07/09 05:45 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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I have often wonder the same thing along with wondering why there is no channel on tv called WET. Black people have BET, women have Lifetime, Mexicans have Telemundo, gays have Bravo etc. Furthermore, why isn't there a straigh pride parade?

Personally I think is pointless to be proud of one's race, sexuality etc. That just happens to be the way you were born, it is not as if you actually did anything to be proud of.
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#19894 - 02/07/09 05:56 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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im not white im actuall half spanish, 1/4 greek and 1/4 native american - the outcome is most people assume im mexican, i grew up in a little town in the state of Texas that had 3 predominate races, black white and mexican.
as kids we all got along and we allshared in each others holidays.
although june teenth really wasnt celebrated in out Texas town. many of us when we were growing up never really saw eachother as different because of color, until we got older. i9 noticed all my friends were white, when i was amongst them and there familiy get together i felt out of place. as i got older i noticed people would often throw racist remarks at me joking around
( calling me a wetback or simply a freakin mexican) it was funny to me because im neither one of those, but thats when i saw that something was terribly wrong with alot of american ideologies.
today i dis-associate with anybody in the occult, satanist, christian,buddhist, other religous, Atheist, musicians, homeless, millionaires who shout a vulgar display of power of rascism,judgement, and simple prejudice (fat,ugly,dirty,poor,tall,short,nerdy,disabled) that is spit from there tongues( the begining of all curses start from the heart and are expelled by way of the tongue and unleashed into the world) so i agree that if a white man was to walk around saying IM PROUD to be white, he would be judged as a nazi, yet a black man can stand on a corner and shout Black power and its a sign of pride of his ethnicity.
its all screwed up- my opinion is we must all dis-associate with any of these so called pride ethnic displayers, there squanderers looking to devour you and me to follow there way of thinking and make us all be against each other. like the bible thiumper on the street corner they have started a revolution to force fear into our lives, the same way the terrorist groups have fundamentally involved there God as the principle behind there actions- quite absurd and selfish if you ask me.
they must all be cut off like Anton states in the Satanic Bible, they must eb cut off immediately or else they will cut us off from our purpose to live a full and productive life amongst each other.

Still,
Rollin Stalker the deathRocker


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#19912 - 02/07/09 08:07 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: RollinStalker]
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First off, high-five Jester! I have been saying this for far too long. Slavery. That is what all this is about. If we(white people) are not overly apologetic, we are racist...period. That is the society in which we live. It is politically incorrect to love yourself if you are not a person of "color." That, I think, was the birth of the "wigger." "Maybe if I walk and talk like them, people will know I am okay with them." I can go on for days, but let me say this...we are NOT all the same. That is the "colorblind" bull-shit that this p.c. society wants you to say.
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#19915 - 02/07/09 08:46 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: blsk]
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Yes, society panders to everyone who isn't a white male, but yet cry's out to the heavens for equality and the breakdown of separation.

If it seems like a double standard or hypocrisy, that's because it is. Hypocrisy is a staple that maintains the status quo.

Same old same old.
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#19917 - 02/07/09 08:52 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Exactly, there is NO SUCH THING as equality. Nor should there be. It is the same as those "womens rights" broads who say they want to be treated "fairly." Fair to the sex or the individual? They do not want to be treated equal, they want to be catered to. They get pissed when the man wants to be the head of the house, but in turn get pissed if you do not hold the door open for them, same shit, ever-so-slightly different smell.
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#19920 - 02/07/09 09:16 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: blsk]
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Fuck this diversity...why doesn't the world just go back to being separated by race, ethnicity and culture? When you go to Iran, you see Iranians. When you go to Europe, you see white Europeans. When you visit Central and South America, you see the indigenous/Spanish mixes. America and Canada--a mix of majorally white Euro stock and some Indians. It sure made things a lot easier.

But I wonder--wouldn't diversity strengthen the immune systems and overall health of humanity as a whole? Same as with breeding animals...even when you breed non-related (for several generations back) animals to each other, sometimes you have to 'outcross' to inject some health and vigor into the line. Being exposed to the various viruses which initially killed a large number of people who were exposed to it, ended up benefiting us...one more virus we've learned about and developed immunizations for, to treat future generations.

Now granted, you could flip that around and AIDS would come up. It wouldn't have spread worldwide if no one was going into the Congo.


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#19921 - 02/07/09 09:53 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Nemesis]
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Disgusting. Myopic.

Satanists...so individual. So mired in their tunnel-vision. How can you call yourself a God and not accept the fucking responsibility of creation? Oh, yes...it only applies to your singular vision and personal experiences. Everyone else must conform or be ridiculed. Fuck you all. if you're going to call yourself a God, then step up to the plate. Take responsibility for the world you create. Use your meme complexes, magick, and messianic complexes to build a better world. Without racial, religious, cultural, and philosophic differences we are nothing more than the New Catholic Empire. You are all what you claim to hate.

Learn to embrace difference, diversity, and perspective. If you don't you're still just another fucking sheep following a divine plan written by a different God. If not, then by all means, keep working on the emergence of the penultimate Grey Race.

No, you don't have to be a New-Age Hippie, but you have to deal with the world as it is. Embrace change or accept mediocrity. Push your vision to the fullest or remain a weakling.

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#19922 - 02/07/09 10:40 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Octavius]
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Did you stop to think that my above post might have been partially sarcastic?

Of COURSE life would be utterly dull and pointless if we were all one and the same. Isn't that a current theme in human history? Stories of fierce individualism? Seeing a better way to do things and striking out on your own? Interacting with those different from you is one of the things that gives life its spice.

For me, the best part about going on cruises is not the relaxation or the neverending food, but the chance to meet people and see places that otherwise I'd never experience. Getting to meet people talk about what's important to them in their corner of the world...to share their sense of humor...those are all great things. Who'd want to travel 1,000 miles or more and meet people that watch "The View" and root for Dale Earnhardt Jr?

That would be a nightmare in and of itself.
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#19927 - 02/07/09 11:44 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Nemesis]
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Now I agree on the matter that Nem brought up. How drab would it be to travel to a far-off land only to see yourself? I am a very fond traveler for that very reason, I love to see the diversity of man and the world that comes with it. Yet few(and I think it is safe to include yourselves in this) would chose to live that way. However, many cultures, as beautiful as they may appear, are so because of the evolution(or lack thereof) of faiths. That is where I have a problem, not with cultures but the expected acceptance of them in MY neighborhood. Everyone has the right to live as they chose. It becomes an issue when they expect me to alter MY life in accordance with their ideals. That is the problem I have with faiths like christianity, and that is the problem I have with the current issues in immigration. They expect me to cater to their culture. There should be blacks, yellows, browns, whites; but I should not have to mix to accept. Same with the diversity in culture.
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#19931 - 02/08/09 12:17 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: blsk]
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Everyday in America is White History Month, this country was built by Anglo-Saxon's off of the extermination and subjugation of people from other cultures.

But with that said I believe that Black History Month has run it's course and should be done away with, or at least improved upon. From my days in High School I found Black History Month to be quite drab and uninspiring; I am of much African descent surprise surprise. It seems like Martin Luther King (the safe PC leader that can be paraded to America) is given all the attention while others in the Civil Rights movement are overshadowed by this prince of peace.
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#19932 - 02/08/09 12:26 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Morbid Rex]
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K, first, how is every day a history MONTH period(yes, that was rhetorical)? Seriously though, how much time a day do we set aside on telivision or in any other manner to pay tribute to the great accomplishments of white men in history specifically because of their color? We don't. Stop acting like we do. And yes, black history month has run its course.
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#19940 - 02/08/09 06:32 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I have often wonder the same thing along with wondering why there is no channel on tv called WET. Black people have BET, women have Lifetime, Mexicans have Telemundo, gays have Bravo etc. Furthermore, why isn't there a straight pride parade?


If WET existed, would you watch it? For me personally it would only be of interest if its focus were related to the adjective its acronym coincidentally spells out. A channel dedicated to things that are wet has some pleasant possibilities.

Being white just doesn't interest me, and certainly doesn't stroke my vanity, since I've met the average white guy too many times to think whiteness conveys anything to be vain about.

If we get more specific, and speak of Italians, well, I delight in the food. I have Italian family members whom I treasure, but my favorites, my second cousins, are half Irish through that highly effective gene mixer known as marriage. My other favorites are gay, which brings me to the notion of straight enthusiast parades, or STEP, to coin a fun acronym. Would you march in one if it existed? Here again, I've met the average straight guy too many times to think straightness conveys anything to be vain about, and I've met the average straight woman too many times to think straightness conveys unique sex appeal. Frankly, I tend to be attracted to women who eventually come out as bisexual.

Oh, I almost forgot, my other favorite family members are half German, due to my own scientific experiment in gene mixing.

My path to vanity is through Satanism, which hardly lends itself to parades or TV channels, but in fact tends to repudiate both, due to their tendency to promote herd conformity, which some of us identify as a Satanic sin.

Gay pride parades have a purpose. They are a loud fuck you to any who would try to squelch the self-expression of the gay person. They are also a clear warning to any coward who thinks a gay person might be so isolated as to make easy prey.

Ethnic pride parades have precisely the same purpose in their original impulse.

The logic of both presupposes minority status. Majorities have no reason to fear the squelching of their self-expression or the cowardly targeting of individuals as prey due to an assumption of isolation.

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#19941 - 02/08/09 06:48 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: blsk]
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 Originally Posted By: blsk
Same with the diversity in culture.


Now our North American culture is something I would enjoy celebrating once a year in some way, or even more than once a year, if we target specific components. For example, here in the USA, "First Amendment Day" could quickly become a favorite of mine, if dedicated to celebrating free speech, free press, free assembly, and religious freedom. Hell, the more I think about First Amendment Day, the more I like it!

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#19946 - 02/08/09 09:23 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Zoid]
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if dedicated to celebrating free speech, free press, free assembly, and religious freedom.

Somehow, this part made me smile and made me think "Oh really?" with a little cynical voice.

Free speech..., you can say whatever you want but don't try to insult: Them Mexicans, the Jews, the black (altough we prefer Afro-Americans, you might get in trouble using the word "black"),..
Also, all religions are tolerated but Christianity is still the best if you have another one you might be frowned upon...
Free press: everything may be written in the media. We shall cover/hide those little details that might upset normal people. It's something for the economical elites...

Sentences like "fighting for freedom", "free speech", "religious tolerance",... all might sound nice, in reality things still stay fucked-up even tough they dedicate a whole day on it.


Edited by Dimitri (02/08/09 09:23 AM)
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#19953 - 02/08/09 12:52 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Dimitri]
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I'm all for diversity. I think it would be boring if we lived in a strictly "white world" or strictly "black world" or whatever. In no way am I victimizing white people. We live in a diverse world however, I don't think we live in a completely tolerant world as well (that's kinda obvious)...but why can't we all just get along haha.
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#19954 - 02/08/09 01:01 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Zoid]
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It crossed my mind that they're might be a porn channel called WET, I would watch that for sure. As far as there being a White Entertainment Network; I might watch it if there was anything interesting on.

Straight pride parades, not exactly my thing either. Ultimately I was just arguing for the sake of arguing. I don't care if there is never a WET(unless it is a porn channel), nor do I care if I ever get the chance to march in a parade that celebrates my love of cunnilingus.

Just think about it for a second though, if there was no black history month, but there was a white one; there would be a bunch of pissed of people cyring "racism". Equality is a two way street, at least, that is the idea.
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#20394 - 02/14/09 06:39 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Zoid]
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wait a minute this country was already built upon, maybe you should re-read history and visualize how the europeans came and brought disease turmoil and despair to the native american indians that for thousands of years had freely roamed these very lands and known of something great and looked upon the sun and the moon to guide them in many types of rituals and concerns and healings, but were forced to swallow a europen and spanish notion called Christianity or else die! now this steel and concrete infested place we call U.S. of A. has always been here and will always remain reguardless of its downfall or excel, it will continue and Rascism is a curse for people to see in black in white rather than an oppurtunity to discren what is really reality and how to move forward and succeed in life.
many many years ago the white man enslaved the negro and later on after lincoln freed them the mexicans came voluntarily to work for the white man because the european had knowledge of handling things( brains if you will) and the mexicans had the heart of gold to work in the sun for simple food and lodge- for many years this was received o.k. on both sides till one day a hippie cried out and put thoughts in peoples heads, it was the curse of rascims- now the world is inflicted by it and we must again put ourselves in a position where we live our life and include the right man or woman for the job as needed!
rascism was never meant to be about color or creeds, it was about a true bloodline, jews and nazis were the same color, yet hitler himself tainted with jewish blood percieved to draw the line between jew and nazi blood- and man in its stupidity followed along and somehow added skin color to it aswell- fucking amazing what humans can do to just about anything to screw it up royally.
let us move forward and i commend you of the white race for sticking up for you white pride its good and me as a mexican agree that its sad when you cant be proud and show it to the world without being called a rascist! its the rascist card callers that are truely not rascist but ignorant!
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#20477 - 02/15/09 05:23 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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Racial double standards, quite an issue here in the UK as well. There seems to be this ludicrous belief particularly amongst the new left that only white people can be racist, which obviously is the biggest load of bullshit ever no more. However more recently double standards can be identified within the religious area. Islam seems to be currently enjoying a near untouchable status in the respect that you run the risk of being tagged as a racist or charged for inciting religious and racial hatred (although there is no current law to my knowledge that outlaws criticism of Islam).

A recent matter than serves as a good example would be over the "Controversial" short film called "Fitna", you may have heard of it, it was produced by a Dutch MP called Geert Wilders. He was due to hold talks on it in the house of lords, however when he landed in the UK he was immediately sent back to the Netherlands. The government's reason for doing so was due to the risk of causing offence to the Muslims living in Britain.

You also may have noticed that earlier in my post I refered to Islam and double standards with the subject of racial hatred, it seems that Islam can also be classed as a race when it wants to be as well.

Needless to say if you was to point out these double standards as many have in the past, you are condemned as a Racist or an inciter of hatred. In my opinion the worlds emphasis on equality and diversity is working against itself.
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#20483 - 02/15/09 05:44 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Damis]
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"Fitna" was indeed a well-made short film, and I've watched the interviews Wilders had given when it was released.

To those of us here the States, "racial hatred" encompasses ethnicity and religious hatred as well.
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#20503 - 02/16/09 05:15 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Nemesis]
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Wilders is a bit of a goofball with the worst haircut I've seen since Beethoven but he does show a fundamental weakness we incorporated into our civilization; postmodern relativism so out of control it becomes dogma. While in the past we adored the freedom of speech, criticism and satire, we now are forced to adore the sensitivity of others. And this is abused by those sensitives to control and manipulate us. It all started with the holocaust becoming dogma but during the last decades the Leftists gained more and more ground and slowly postmodern relativism is becoming the norm, not only as a social moral direction but also as a legal one. In the past one could be looked down upon for venting certain opinions, today one can be penalized. It's a prime symptom of a cancer destroying our civilization from the inside out.

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#20507 - 02/16/09 07:00 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Diavolo]
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Oh yes, I'd gotten that "he's a nutter" impression from articles describing the reactions from both the average Dutch citizens and other political figures. His hair is the Netherlands version of Donald Trump's poufador.

However, he is one of the few leaders willing to stand up for, as you mentioned, the über-political correctness concerning Islam that pervades Europe these days. Luckily that attitude has not wormed its way into the hearts and minds of us here in the US, except for when it comes to black people. But that's "white guilt", and a different beast altogether. The majority here still adamantly believe that immigrants should incorporate into OUR culture, not the other way around. I think another mitigating factor is that the US just doesn't have the flood of immigrants like Europe has seen in the last 10 years. The illegal immigrants here primarily come from Mexico, and quite a number of those are here for a semi-permanent stay. With our economy is such bad shape, it's getting harder for them to find "under the table" jobs, which is the only job most of them can acquire, and what are they doing? Heading back home!

Problem solved.
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#20514 - 02/16/09 10:02 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Nemesis]
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We call our 'white guilt' colonial guilt. All that is rotten in previous ones is our fault. Woe is us. Except in the USA of course, there it is their fault.

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#20520 - 02/16/09 12:42 PM White Guilt [Re: Diavolo]
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Does it strike anyone else here how very Judeo-Christian the notion of "inherited guilt" is?

Not only did that beautiful mythos give us 'original sin', it also sanctifies Yahweh's penchant for punishing the children of offenders down to the Nth generation for the sins of their fathers.

It thus comes as no surprise to me how a predominantly Christian or post-Christian white populace would succumb to pangs of guilt about what their racist ancestors have done.

Yes, do not forget the past lest it be repeated - but at the same time, those who committed such cruelty were responsible for their own actions - not their descendants.
Just as a serial killer's great great granddaughter need rationally bear no guilt or responsibility for his original actions.

I, for one, am glad for the ability to see how I am in no way personally responsible for the suffering and death other whites have afflicted upon people of other colors. Thus, I have no need to feel guilt by association.

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#20522 - 02/16/09 01:03 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: Meq]
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Nicely put... I don't think I could have said it any better myself. I felt guilty once, but she woke up.....

There is a stand-up comedian, Bill Burr, he does a hilarious bit on white guilt. Particularly how it is ridiculous and he even says he is "running out of white guilt". Maybe I will see if I can find it and post it in the video section.
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#20523 - 02/16/09 01:09 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: Meq]
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Yes it is weird, especially when you see a civilization that is growing more and more a-religious, at the same time is incorporating some of its fundamental principles. We seem to embrace an original sin to such a degree it stagnates us and if we don't watch it, make us vulnerable enough to be obliterated. If not only culturally.

Yes the whities have done some bad bad things but hell, if it wasn't for the whities, half of the world out there would still throw rocks at animals and die at forty. I also feel not responsible for anything not caused by me. I didn't ship the Jews to their Endlösung and neither did I whip the blacks in Africa but in some strange way, they still seem to force me into a collective feeling of guilt about those acts and try to make me repent.
It is getting ridiculous to such a level that the conquered almost have a hold upon the conquerers and demand tribute from them. That's surrealism at its best.

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#20534 - 02/16/09 07:14 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
It is getting ridiculous to such a level that the conquered almost have a hold upon the conquerers and demand tribute from them. That's surrealism at its best.


Surrealism - or Foxwood Casino on injun land in Connecticut. \:\)

I paid tribute back in January. Bachelor party. I discovered Pai Gao Poker! \:\)

Thus the injuns and the coolies both got a piece of me. \:\)

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#20535 - 02/16/09 07:49 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: Zoid]
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How was Foxwoods? I've always wanted to try them and Mohegan Sun, but haven't talked to anyone about how the casinos are. I mostly play Blackjack or Stud.
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#20538 - 02/16/09 08:11 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: Jake999]
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How was Foxwoods? I've always wanted to try them and Mohegan Sun, but haven't talked to anyone about how the casinos are. I mostly play Blackjack or Stud.


I had a blast! But I must confess this was my first casino, so I have nothing to compare it to.

While playing Pai Gao Poker it struck me how very rarely I was offered a free drink, contrary to what others had led me to believe would be the case, and when I managed to secure a rum and coke, it seemed the bartender had added the rum with an eyedropper. But I really didn't want to be drunk, so in the end it was for the best.

My hotel room was "business class" if you know what I mean. Go away on a business trip and stay in an Embassy Suite, for example, and you'll get a room on the order of the one I stayed in.

The buffet restaurant is good for breakfast and lunch, with decent variety.

And hey, you get to purge your white guilt by leaving with a lighter wallet than you arrived with! \:\)

(Notice how I skillfully brought this back on topic.)

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#20653 - 02/17/09 08:59 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: Zoid]
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I agree with Jester
Black history month can get a little annoying though
I'm not a raciest
you should be proud about your race and the accomplishments your people made, but not over exaggerate those accomplishments and make them seem god like.

I guess the reason why people would think a white history month would be racist is because we already learn so much about white men in schools and some people still think a lot of white people discriminate other races because of the KKK and Nazis

I just think all races are equal and should be treated equally

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#20816 - 02/19/09 10:57 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: NaebNaes]
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The real tragedy behind this whole thing is that no one can wear that toothbrush-style mustache that Hitler made oh-so-popular. I could totally rock that thing.

This guy can get away with it, though:

Kitler

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#20819 - 02/19/09 11:30 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: NaebNaes]
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What right do you have to be proud of your race or their acomplishments? Is not that a form of plagiarism? It IS, at the least, dishonest to claim the work of another that you had NOTHING to do with. If you want TRUE pride in something great, make something and do it yourself.
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#20821 - 02/19/09 11:50 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: blsk]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
How was Foxwoods? I've always wanted to try them and Mohegan Sun, but haven't talked to anyone about how the casinos are. I mostly play Blackjack or Stud.


Mohegan Sun wins hands down on atmosphere. Been there several times, always fun. Casino, restaurants and hotel all good. Not a big card player (just a little 5 card) so can't really comment there. Saw Bowie play at the Sun Arena, great show.

Foxwoods is ok too, just doesn't have the same atmosphere that MS does. Wolfs Den Lounge and the Mountain top bar under the planetarium stars win out.
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#20824 - 02/19/09 11:54 PM Re: White Guilt [Re: Master Magick]
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Thanks for the words on Foxwoods and Mohegan. I may end up planning a road trip.
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#20827 - 02/20/09 12:32 AM Re: White Guilt [Re: Jake999]
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Although I recommend Mohegan Sun over Foxwoods, theres a cool museum thats closer to FW http://www.pequotmuseum.org/ worth a trip if you go to the casinos for more than a day. Both casinos are close by anyway, about 10 miles apart.
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#20830 - 02/20/09 12:50 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Zoid]
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High 5 Zoid- i commend you, very well put to say the least!
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#20831 - 02/20/09 12:56 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: RollinStalker]
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back on topic ...

White guilt? Is that where a bunch of white guys whine about affirmative action or black history month? Or what fake 'white power' wannabes talk about around the water cooler to act tough?

As far as I'm concerned, theres not much thats less Satanic than 1) Being a racist, sexist, bigot 2) Worrying if other people think you're a racist or not, 3) Whining about how other ethnic or religious groups handle themselves.

Do something for yourself, for your race (if you feel you must), but be a Satanist, look out for numero uno.

 Originally Posted By: Zoid

If WET existed, would you watch it?


White TV is on everyday on almost every channel. It mostly SUCKS. (along with BET and STV etc.)

 Originally Posted By: Zoid
Being white just doesn't interest me, and certainly doesn't stroke my vanity, since I've met the average white guy too many times to think whiteness conveys anything to be vain about.


Too true and any Satanist should know this. The average (insert any race here) guy (or girl) is just that. Average and not remarkable. Exactly the person most Satanists are not interested in knowing or even meeting.

 Originally Posted By: Zoid
which brings me to the notion of straight enthusiast parades, or STEP, to coin a fun acronym. Would you march in one if it existed? Here again, I've met the average straight guy too many times to think straightness conveys anything to be vain about


As one of the few not so average Straight guys I know, I've marched or participated in support of various GLBTQ parades and events and can tell you honestly that there is NO "straight" parade that can compare ;\) Straight parades are just F'ing boring by comparison. (kinda like the average white guy)

 Originally Posted By: Zoid
Gay pride parades have a purpose. They are a loud fuck you to any who would try to squelch the self-expression of the gay person. They are also a clear warning to any coward who thinks a gay person might be so isolated as to make easy prey.

Ethnic pride parades have precisely the same purpose in their original impulse.

The logic of both presupposes minority status. Majorities have no reason to fear the squelching of their self-expression or the cowardly targeting of individuals as prey due to an assumption of isolation.


Great observation, that's one of the points most people miss. Perhaps they miss it because they are too busy whining about said group or trying to figure out ways to beat them up or bomb their community centers...

 Originally Posted By: Zoid
and I've met the average straight woman too many times to think straightness conveys unique sex appeal. Frankly, I tend to be attracted to women who eventually come out as bisexual.


Have to diverge from your line of thought here. Most women, regardless of sexual preference are very sexual creatures with plenty of sex appeal.

 Originally Posted By: Zoid
My path to vanity is through Satanism, which hardly lends itself to parades or TV channels, but in fact tends to repudiate both, due to their tendency to promote herd conformity, which some of us identify as a Satanic sin.


That's the bottom line to all of this. I can't even picture a real Satanist worrying about Gay Pride or Black History month in the least. Satanic Pride should outweigh all external forces in this area or annoyances of that type.

 Originally Posted By: Zoid

Now our North American culture is something I would enjoy celebrating once a year in some way, or even more than once a year, if we target specific components. For example, here in the USA, "First Amendment Day" could quickly become a favorite of mine, if dedicated to celebrating free speech, free press, free assembly, and religious freedom. Hell, the more I think about First Amendment Day, the more I like it!


Great idea. "Freedom Day".

Yes. I'm a proud white Satanic American, but I'd be just as proud of myself no matter what my race or ethnic background.
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#20999 - 02/22/09 08:29 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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Being proud to be white is ridiculous. You were born white. You had no choice in the matter. Pride comes from personal achievement.If you were born rich could you then take pride in that? Do you take pride being born an American? When did pride become so wattered down that it includes every aspect of ourselves?

I think instead of focusing on why whitey cant have his own network/rallies/reich, you should find some tangible achievements to muster pride. Are you defined by race? Are you limited to it?

[quote] I just find it funny how if I were to walk the street screaming, "I love being white" people would think that I am racist or that I hate other ethnicity's. [quote]


No, I'd just think you were insane. What do you love about it so much? Anyways, there are plenty of white pride groups and rallies...join the cause and reclaim your pride!

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#21000 - 02/22/09 08:38 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Enslaved]
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 Quote:
Being proud to be white is ridiculous. You were born white. You had no choice in the matter. Pride comes from personal achievement.If you were born rich could you then take pride in that?

Why should it be ridiculous? You can almost take pride out of everything, so why not from things you are born in?
You don't need to choose if you want to be proud of something. Pride is a bit defined as "something you like very much and want to share/show with/to others".

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If you were born rich could you then take pride in that?

Hell yeah, take it back a few decades and I could have bought you to become my personal bitch, where you had to shut up and do my bidding.


Edited by Dimitri (02/22/09 08:38 AM)
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#21002 - 02/22/09 08:45 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Enslaved]
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Oh we got another Leftist having the relativist dick so deep up his ass he's spewing its seed.

So if anyone doubts the relativist 'enforced' position that all those cultures are equal and should be treated as such, one should by definition seek out their brothers at Combat18? Yes I do have a lot of criticism upon my own culture and yes, even at nationalists, but I'll be damned if I tolerate -if not only intellectually- that some minority that desired to live in mine, starts to put down rules I should follow. If that makes me a white nationalist pig, so be it. I prefer that above being a mindless hippie.

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#21009 - 02/22/09 12:21 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Enslaved]
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 Quote:
Being proud to be white is ridiculous. You were born white. You had no choice in the matter. Pride comes from personal achievement.


I think you miss the point.

Each 'race' has particular cultural values, ethics, and norms, that will directly influence that culture's capacity for individual achievement. The 'white' cultures of Europe and America provide some of the most prolific individual achievement. 'Blacks' are capable of great achievement in Europe and America but only by adopting 'white culture.' American Blacks are often called 'Uncle Tom', 'Oreo', 'sell out', or 'house nigger' by their own people for simply daring to attempt individual achievement.

As a general rule, 'black culture' does not promote individual achievement. Around the world, wherever 'black culture' is the norm you will find strife, ignorance, and a general lack of individual achievement.

The real question is why?
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#21020 - 02/22/09 04:02 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Fist]
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The real question is why?

History.

'Black culture' cannot be understood without historical context. Colonialism, slavery, apartheid, segregation, etc., all of which impart a significant inertia upon the present day.

The same also goes for 'white culture'. Although the inertial forces are different in each case, they are two sides to the same story.

As history flows on, the stands of culture intermingle. 'Black culture' gains increasing acceptance amongst the white working-classes, and upwardly-mobile blacks may find aspects of 'white culture' more to their liking.

The extent to which a particular culture can be determined on purely racial grounds is becoming increasingly irrelevant.

Stag


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#21040 - 02/22/09 11:49 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Stag]
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One of the most amazing things I have witnessed in my life is how the general population is so easily controlled through propaganda being pushed by the media. In recent news Al Sharpton has critisized a New York news paper for displaying a political cartoon of two cops shooting a chimp claiming that the cartoon is racist and insulting to our new president who is African American and insults all African Americans in general. Mr. Sharpton has completely dis-regarded the recent shooting of a real chimpanzee after it had ripped a woman's face off nearly killing her and also attacked a police officer. The story was all over the national news.
Now when I was a little younger and more naive I would have thrown a fit about Al Sharpton's outrageous accustions, but I see now what's really going on here. Our economy is rapidly deteriorating and it's very likely we may slip into another great depression. In case some of you don't know about 27 states are declaring sovereignty as we speak. In other words they are declaring their right to susseed from the Union if the President declares martial law just like what happened before the Civil War, and I am not kidding.
The CONTROLLED media has to use stories like this as "Weapons of Mass Distraction" to veer our attention away from what's really going on. Al Sharpton like many others is paid good money to stir up dissent among the population and keep us all preoccupied with racism while off shore banks rob us blind and destroy our nation's economy. Al Sharpton doesn't give a rat's ass about black people or anyone else. The only person Al Sharpton cares about is Al Sharpton.
I get so tired of history being told a certain way so as to demonize a whole race of people. I get so tired of hearing about what "The White Man" did. I'm white and if anyone cares to really research history you'll discover that my ancestors and most of yours (if you're also white) were victims of this entity everyone calls "The White Man" long before anyone else ever was. And sadly most of us still are and we don't even know it.
My first white American ancestor came over from England in the early 1600's to the penal colony of Virginia as an indentured servant which is just another way of saying he was a slave!
Don't get me wrong. I voted for President Obama and we need a Black History month. African Americans have been treated unfairly for way to long and need to be recognized for their acheivements, but we also need to be on guard because most of the time what we're told is the truth is usually only a small fraction of the real story which makes it a lie!
May the Dark Force (Satan) be with you!

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#21045 - 02/23/09 03:06 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Kenny Lane]
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good points Kenny Lane. most people don't realize the extent that indentured servitude played in this nation (or that it is still in effect), nor do they realize the subjugation of white people by their "own" throughout history. all they remember is what was most recently injected into their heads.

if you are American "white trash", and cannot trace your ancestry back to Europe in more than a couple generations, then chances are good that your ancestors were brought here to plow fields and build roads and eat shit. some Oppressors indeed.

and I while I have NO DOUBT that media monkeys such as sharpton are encouraged to distract and cloud minds, I certainly would like to read more about these successions you mention. got any sources to share?

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#21052 - 02/23/09 02:47 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Bacchae]
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I don't know all the states, but I do know that Montana is definately one and New Hampshire is another. I also heard that the state I currently reside in (Texas) has a bill coming to the state legislature this week to declare sovereignty which is no surprise since Texas was it's own soverign nation at one time for alomst 30 years. They don't plan to secede (sorry about my crappy spelling on my last post!) but I know they plan to declare soverignty. There are a multitude of reasons I could tell you why this is happening and it doesn't have anything directly to do with our new president. My primary source is the website http://www.infowars.com hosted by Alex Jones right here in Austin where I live.
All I know is we've been lied to our whole lives and they still lie to us everyday about everything. But they know how to put everything in a real slick package so we just keep on buying it. When I first learned all this it was like neo on the Matrix when he finally took the red pill and discovered he and the rest of humanity were nothing but slaves to a Global Psychic Vampire!

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#21058 - 02/23/09 04:42 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Kenny Lane]
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I read this article today which touches upon European relativism. It focuses on Islamism but the tendency creeps in at more levels.

Submission in advance

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#68230 - 07/02/12 03:19 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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When it comes down to racial double standards I believe more myth then reality is involved. Laws have passed for a reason, just as certain methods of enforcing them. The double standards being illusionary trough dissatisfaction and emotional luggage caused by frustration and stigmatization in certain situations. A quickly drawing of conclusion by shortage of background information resulting in what might be seen as an action in favor of the colored man can equally and actually be a fit punishment for his/her situation.

I am having the belief (the white) man is pro-multicultural society for having its wide cultural diversities and interests close to him. It also stems from the fear because of the non-pride for its own skin color and the generations of indoctrination of guilt and shame for it. Their cultural history of war, slaughter and "barbaric" lifestyle untill well into the middle ages (where others looked more sophisticated) being one of the main reasons. When taking a look at the “black” man they wear it (their skin) full with pride. They are proud because of the significance of being bound by skin. A bonding and pride white man never seemed to understand and/or even lost during history, their main focus more heavily on culture. A white gang will never be as good as a black gang. The whites being more keen to kick out someone by difference in view while the black gang is more prone to stay by being more of a “brotherhood”. Their difference in views and ideas being secondary after “blood bounds” or skin color.

The need for a multicultural society and the placement of one looks naturally when considering the disappearing of geographical borders. The ability to more easily reach those (once far) isolated societies, cultures, countries,.. is certainly something to consider. If only for the more information traffic and gathering on various subjects that might better our current western society. Individualistic persona to the multicultural society is a disease since it doesn’t give the progression (or add up to it) the MC-society needs to work.


Edited by Dimitri (07/02/12 03:26 PM)
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#68375 - 07/06/12 03:32 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Dimitri]
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Forgive me if I'm overtalking a particular area of this subject.

First off, it's no big secret that - to this day - I thoroughly enjoy the company of tattooed white boys with no hair. It's not *entirely* because I'm a racist bitch (I'm actually more of a separatist) it's more because I'm not so goddamned terrified to have friends that run the gamut of all possible walks of life. They are interesting and I agree with large portions of their philosophy...just like why I'm here. I have ultra-racist friends and I have friends who claim to be Antifa.

That being said, I actually find Black History Month to be interesting, although I believe that MLK jr is a plagiarist pussy and prefer Malcom X's separatist take on things ("don't sit around crying because whitey wont throw you any crumbs. If you can't work a job because whitey wont hire you, start your own business and by-damn hire only coloreds" etc) Being forcefed multiculturalism is where I draw the line. I lived in the second biggest city in my state for a bajillion...minutes at least...and was able to see that if you drive to one area you are in a mexican neighborhood; another area is asian and there's a white neighborhood, black one, etc.. People WANT to be surrounded by what is familiar to them. It's not fucking racist. It's *comfortable*. There's nothing wrong with that, methinks.

Next point: I don't give a fuck about White History Month. When you study American History or Western European History you are studying white history. Period. You can't spend 30 seconds on History or Discovery channel without seeing The White Man's Triumphs. This isn't what fucks me up. What fucks me up is that all across popular television (PS: please learn how the fuck to spell, yo.) you see the average white man portrayed as a bumbling fucking moron. I can't think of a single show (granted, I don't even watch television) in which a woman or some other "minority" is portrayed on the same level of ineptitude as the average white guy. This disturbs me and it has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the ramifications of frustrating and stifling the masculinity of such a large portion of the population....OR....will the average white boy grow up brainwashed into thinking that he's a dipshit simply because popular media portrays him as such?

It's popular and totally PC to beat down whitey because we live in a culture of white-guilt. Fuck white guilt. I say, "Get the fuck over it, all of you." No one in modern day America has ever owned another human or been owned, and niggers - oh, I'm sorry, "African Americans" - act like they are the only people who've ever been shit on. Fuck everyone who cries themselves to sleep at night over some shit that's neither here nor there. And doublefuck people who cop out over shit that hasn't existed in over a hundred years. There is a black man in the oval office; sitting in The Big Chair. I think it can be safely said that it's time to stop crying about how wrong the dark race has been done.

"What about Native American's" You say? Well, I think they are an excellent example of how multiculturalism fails before it starts. If they would have simply kept scalping every paleface that stepped off a boat they would have never suffered a second. Instead, they wanted to be friendly. Oopsie! That didn't work out, did it?

Regarding Pride: I don't give a fuck where someone's pride comes from so long as it drives them to success. I've spent the last 20 years of my life hearing and reading about every crybaby excuse under the sun why someone can't get out of the fucking ghetto or why they are an utter waste of sperm and egg. Hey, if being white or black or red or yellow is what gets you going in the morning, more power to you so long as you aren't taking government "benefits" simply because you're a lazy piece of shit. If all you need to motivate you is a daily fap to your own pigmentation then great for you. I'm proud because my family mined coal in the early 1900's. I didn't have shit to do with that, but they were tough motherfuckers to work that job and that no-excuses motto filtered down to me. I'm proud because my great uncle Charlie loved his wife so much that he assumed she would fill her side of the double-grave (she didn't, the cunt). I'm proud of a whole host of shit that not only didn't involve me, but also mostly happened before I even existed (not to be confused with lack of self pride. I'm the proudest bitch ever of my own accomplishments. Not many people can say that they are - at age 34 - EXACTLY where they spent their entire life wanting to be). Who fucking cares? Who really gives a shit?

I believe that racism is something that would not exist except for government programs and media sensationalism. Really: do you give it a second thought unless someone drags it across your eyes or ears? The government (who is bought and paid for by whatever interest group has the most money at the time) made the rules about equal opportunity. "YOU MUST HIRE X% BLACKS, MEXICANS, WOMEN, ETC". That's not "us"...that's the government imposing rules on us. They are creating the dissension and ill-feelings there. To truly be equal-opportunity, all applicants would withhold any ethnic-identifying information (including names because few whites are named Shaniqua Jones or Jesus Garcia) and would simply be judged by what they can bring to the table. OH MY FUCKING GOD THAT'S SO SIMPLE!!! And media: how many times has some minority been killed or injured and they OVERspeculate on whether or not it was a hate crime? Almost all Americans, no matter what color they are, seem to be so easily brainwashed by media that if the New York Times said the sky was brown with neon green polka dots, they would rush outside and count greens with their neighbor.

Bottom line: who gives a fuck about Black History Month? If you're in school, then just get your fucking grade and be done with it. If you're out of school, then you can read whatever the fuck you want to read. Who gives a fuck about any of it, really? If you have parents who teach you to think for yourself, or if you are one of the rare ones who can manage it on your own, then you have nothing to worry about except those who CAN'T think for themselves. And as for that class of people (who can't think for themselves) you have a shit-ton more to worry about than whether or not they support BHM....because those worthless pussies are the ones voting our freedoms away.

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#68497 - 07/07/12 08:46 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: ceruleansteel]
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So much has been said on the topic...some of it makes sense to me ....some of it is reactionary bullshit. Minorities are still not included equally in mainstream culture...hence the term minority. Minority: a group having less than the necessary number of votes for control, a part of a population differing from others in some characteristics and often subjected to differential treatment.
Blacks are about 12% of the U.S.'s population, and gays are about 10%......as examples. Advertisers aren't as interested in selling to smaller numbers. If a white child goes missing there is a media frenzy and we're all supposed to hold our breathe till the bitch is found......if a black child goes missing ....those close to them care, and it might get a little media attention...maybe.
Blacks need their own tv stations to view black programing...shows that are relevant to their world, produced by them and for them......the same for gays.
On another note...I have felt the sting of discrimination when I lived in Philadelphia for 17 years....a VERY black city...at times it made me think of what it must have been like to be black in the South in the 1950's.
All humans are capable of racism/prejudice....this doesn't bother me, but racism/prejudice coming from ANYONE is racism/prejudice.
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#68546 - 07/08/12 03:32 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: RAIDER]
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What an utter load of shit I just read.

These alleged "minorities" as you called them are waaay overrepresented in t.v., sports, music, "pop" culture and education.

Whites are the true minority. They cannot have anything to themselves without having to have a token or affirmative action program implimented and cannot show any special interest for their own kind. Whites are roughly 10% of the population globally and, in respect to birth rates, are a minority in the U.S. with the the reproductive age of white females shrinking on top of that. Blacks are the largest recipient of welfare and U.S. aid than any other group (EDIT: I did not compare this with the jewish people, whos state recieves billions every year. Multiple millions from U.S. taxpayers alone). Blacks have roughly 50 afrocentric special interest groups in the U.S. alone as do "hispanics" following with approx 30 groups. Whites have one and all they do is give some money for white kids who can't afford basic college and constantly have to defend themselves from being racist nazis even though their president (if I remember correctly) is black.

If you want to talk about media frenzy, why don't you take a look at the Trayvon situation and ask Shannon Christian and Christopher Newsom how they feel abou their story being overrepresented in the media.


Edited by detrevni (07/08/12 03:35 PM)
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#68554 - 07/08/12 05:23 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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The U.S. Marine Corps has long since solved this problem:

 Originally Posted By: Gunnery Sergeant Hartman
If you ladies leave my island, if you survive recruit training, you will be a weapon. You will be a minister of death praying for war. But until that day you are pukes. You are the lowest form of life on Earth. You are not even human fucking beings. You are nothing but unorganized grabastic pieces of amphibian shit! Because I am hard, you will not like me. But the more you hate me, the more you will learn. I am hard but I am fair. There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on niggers, kikes, wops or greasers. Here you are all equally worthless. And my orders are to weed out all non-hackers who do not pack the gear to serve in my beloved Corps. Do you maggots understand that?
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#70179 - 08/12/12 06:37 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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I,myself,refuse to recognize any "holiday" that celebrates a single race. I hope I'm not redundant to what someone else says but you hit the nail on the head. I work with a crew that is predominantly black and they used to bring these issues up to gage my reactions;until they learned that I am not afraid of debate,etc. But the world is what it is. Just thank Hell for places like this one where inclusion is the norm-except for xians LOL!!
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#75531 - 03/25/13 03:39 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Zoid]
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Yeah, there does seem to be a double standard about this sort of thing. People often think your racist just for bringing things like this up, but they're true.

I have nothing against black people, and disliking people because they are black is wrong to me. But, it is just as bad if a black person hates white people. It seems as if people don't think black racists are as bad as white ones, likely because they have never been in power and enforced any kind of racism but it's still just as bad.

Just because you don't have the power to enforce racism through the legal system, employment or whatever doesn't mean your views are any better or less stupid. What has happened in the past should not effect your views of people who have nothing to do with it. We are individuals, and should be judged by who we are as individuals, regardless of what people of our race have done. There is no excuse for disliking someone because of their race, for anyone period.

As for racial pride, my view is that no one should have it. Race is just a skin color, nothing more. There is no reason to have such a strong pride in it, even if you have suffered persecution for it. Just because you are persecuted for something, doesn't mean you have to make it a strong part of your identity, it's still stupid to do. You should take pride and identify with things you earned, things you chose not things you were born with.

People need to stop having pride in their race, it is a strong root of racism and it would be better if it was gone.

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#75538 - 03/25/13 06:04 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: 334forwardspin]
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Despite making a strong point an individuals worth is credited by skill and merit and not by skin color, I'll give it a halt by the "it's just skin color".
From an evolutionary point of view, the color does matter and gives advantages depending where (geographically) you're standing. It can create a physical (dis)advantage and even influence skill.

From own experience I noticed to function more properly (both intellectual as physical) in slightly colder temperatures whereas if I were to live in Spain or somewhere hotter you'd see me having a harder time with certain tasks I would otherwise call mundane.

I am convinced skin color does matter when it comes down to it. With genetical differences come different advantages and there's always a reason to it.
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#75547 - 03/25/13 11:41 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Dimitri]
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I saw a lot of descrimination against whites in Texas border towns. The funny thing is the Mexicans did not seem to realize how much that hurt them. I do believe it is human nature to perfer to stick with your own tribe. However, folks of different races have contributed to man's well being. So we need to all get along. Perhaps I can take what Dr. aquino said & adopt it here.
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#75581 - 03/27/13 12:11 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Despite making a strong point an individuals worth is credited by skill and merit and not by skin color, I'll give it a halt by the "it's just skin color".
From an evolutionary point of view, the color does matter and gives advantages depending where (geographically) you're standing. It can create a physical (dis)advantage and even influence skill.

From own experience I noticed to function more properly (both intellectual as physical) in slightly colder temperatures whereas if I were to live in Spain or somewhere hotter you'd see me having a harder time with certain tasks I would otherwise call mundane.

I am convinced skin color does matter when it comes down to it. With genetical differences come different advantages and there's always a reason to it.


Skin color may make you able to handle a certain climate a little better, and that is how skin color developed. However, it really doesn't make as big of a difference as you think. While they may be able to handle it slightly better, black people still have trouble in the heat out in Las Vegas where I live now, and back in Virginia whites still would have trouble in the cold.

In extreme weather conditions, it is harder for anyone to function some people overcome weather conditions better than others regardless of what color they are and some don't. It really doesn't make that big of a difference. I've seen black athletes play great in cold, white athletes play great in heat.

Your ability to function better in cold probably has more to do with environments your used to rather than skin color. In this day and age, temperature extremes aren't to the point they were in the ice age so it doesn't matter as much as it used to.

Even if it did make a big difference, what weather conditions you function best in isn't something that's worth making a big fuss over. The thought of skinheads and black panthers actually hating each other over some fire vs ice battle is beyond hilarious.



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#75590 - 03/27/13 02:41 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: 334forwardspin]
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If it only were limited to heat/cold resistance.
Pigmentation also blocks influences from the sun in relation to vitamin production and a variety of other processes in the body.

It is even to the extend certain metabolic processes simply doesn't happen. A well known example can be the lactose-intolerance concerning non-caucasian races. Sure it can be said in a modern society conditions alike these can be easily solved by watching your diet or taking a few pills... but still there's a difference going on which shouldn't be that easily overlooked.
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#75597 - 03/28/13 01:24 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
If it only were limited to heat/cold resistance.
Pigmentation also blocks influences from the sun in relation to vitamin production and a variety of other processes in the body.

It is even to the extend certain metabolic processes simply doesn't happen. A well known example can be the lactose-intolerance concerning non-caucasian races. Sure it can be said in a modern society conditions alike these can be easily solved by watching your diet or taking a few pills... but still there's a difference going on which shouldn't be that easily overlooked.

Quite true. Adaptations, by definition, exist for a reason.

Some conditions are a trade-off, like arms and wings. Since simple changes to existing features happen more readily than a new feature from nothing, it's more likely that a being that would gain an advantage by flying would adapt via small alterations to the arms that would make slowly make them into wings instead of keeping the arms and gaining wings. Simply put, a population can't usually eat its cake and have it, too.

Race is a minor factor, but it is a factor. The flaws come in when specialization is confused with superiority and/or the factor is blown out of proportion, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
From own experience I noticed to function more properly (both intellectual as physical) in slightly colder temperatures whereas if I were to live in Spain or somewhere hotter you'd see me having a harder time with certain tasks I would otherwise call mundane.

I must admit I'm slightly curious where it is you live.
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#75598 - 03/28/13 01:45 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: XiaoGui17]
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It is a VERY minor factor. Being of a race may give you a slight advantage in some small way, but any disadvantage is very easy to overcome.

The bottom line is, it isn't anything worth making a big deal over and the differences are very petty.

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#76000 - 04/15/13 09:46 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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we should be equal but we are not.it all started with that slavery shit, lol I mean we go to school and all of a sudden a black kid comes up to me and says I hate white people??... I mean here I am in the secondgrade going what the fuck is your problem so that did it for me.

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#78183 - 07/17/13 08:19 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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Racial double-standards play a role in criminal cases, as was the case during the Zimmerman Trial. It wasn't approached directly during the case, but rather indirectly.

Rachel Jeantel was given an opportunity to elaborate on some of the racial elements, from her point of view.

Interview clips:

CNN - 1

CNN - 2

CNN - 3

See also:

Criticism by Michael Savage:

Clip 1

The discussions continue by the general public and media commentators but the outcome of the case is telling of the perception the jury held during the trial.

One juror spoke of the 'Creepy Ass Cracka' comment as not necessarily racial but more so about the background of the teens, as if it weren't commonly used language. The same appears to be the case with the use of the term 'Nigga', the Prosecution kept repeating it as 'Nigger', to assert a racial quality.

The idea was to demonstrate that Trayvon was being a racist and was thuggish hence his 'attack' on Zimmerman when in reality it was most likely the opposite. Zimmerman profiled Trayvon, and to ignore the idea that it was because he was Black was a misstep during the trial.

How the gen-pop regard Zimmerman is interesting too. Some go as far as saying "Well, he's White..." He's obviously not White but some mix of ethnicity.


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#78221 - 07/18/13 10:07 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: SIN3]
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When I was growing up, my best friend was in a documentary about disabled children and what it was like for them at school. She was legally blind and Indian. She remained my best friend for many years, even into adulthood. When they came to film the documentary they asked her who her best friend was and when they saw it was me, they decided to fill in with a pretty black girl instead. I don't know that they even speak anymore. Interestingly enough, I have cerebral palsy also. I always thought it was because I wasn't pretty enough until I grew up and learned the value of ethnicity. A few years ago, I was raped by a black man who called me "nigger" and made fun of my religion. My "minority" supervisor just told me to go home a few days ago because I refused to sell alcohol and cigarettes at a pharmacy where I felt uncomfortable. At least in my life, the "minorities" sure have the majority. I don't know why they are rioting even. They won. I hurt. It seems like I don't have a voice, even. I love your quote but I like my own stories more.
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#78222 - 07/18/13 11:16 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: timidlady]
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 Quote:
They won. I hurt. It seems like I don't have a voice, even. I love your quote but I like my own stories more.


Do you understand the quote?
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#78244 - 07/19/13 04:23 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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Obama didn't weigh in on the 'trial' but rather the aftermath and racial focus: Video Clip, Public Address

He sends his thoughts and admiration to the Martin's, and yet nothing on Zimmerman's behalf.

Seems to me he's being an opportunist here, touching on the emotionality of specific Americans, while placing emphasis on his personal correlations to this particular case.

Martin Family appeals to Obama's sensibility.

Why just this case? How did this case get sooooo much attention in the first place?

Meanwhile...The media switches gears slightly to focus on the number of child murders that occurred during the Zimmerman case that received little to no press. Then heads right back to coverage of the Gun Debate.

Obama wants to shift focus to 'context', yeah how about that?

Should we address this case from a Racial context? Would it matter if we did?

Seems to me, the outcome laid upon the judgement of the Jury, not the Gen-pop.

Juror B-37 weighs in. See also: Part 2.

B-37, a racist?

Jurors distance themselves from B-37.

How much did Trayvon Martin's actions play a role in his own death, really?

It leaves a lot to speculation, whereby people usually defer to Rachel Jeantel's testimony. She elaborates during the CNN interview, that Trayvon felt as though Zimmerman stalking him was much like a pedophile would stalk a child. She goes on to say that people should frame it like a parent that tells their kids to run away, get out of there if you see an adult following you but especially an older man.

The Interview. She is equally under scrutiny, added to the mix of her personification during trial, is the aftermath. The sentiment appears to be that she think she's helping but she's only adding insult to injury. Some argue that she's just trying to clear the air not having opportunity while on the stand.

Ebonics? Black Conservative weighs in.
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#78301 - 07/20/13 07:05 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: SIN3]
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Speaking of racial double standards and the Zimmerman trial...

I posted the below screencapture and a link to the article from which it came, along with link to Zimmerman's hand-printed flyer on the Trayvon Martin thread on a certain other forum.



And the reply said that just confirmed how racist Zimmerman was. My response was this...

 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
If you click the link, Zimmerman didn't say anything about race at the time. Rather, Zimmerman simply commented on how the matter was a case of police corruption, since Justin Collison, the guy who beat up Sherman Ware, was the son of a police lieutenant. Other people brought up the matter of race later, to emphasize the narrative that Zimmerman campaigned to get justice for a black man.

As for race-consciousness being subtle racism, you're a shining example. It's really damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't, since according to Shahrazad Ali, "All white people say it's not about race. Nothing is about race to white people." Well damn, can't say it is, can't say it isn't, better just shut up, whitey.

According to you, JK, if a white person is race-conscious, he's a racist. If a black person is race-conscious, he's "speaking truth to power." If a white person doesn't attribute this issue to race, he's a racist. If a black person doesn't think this is about race, he's a "house nigger." If a black person calls someone a cracker, that's just how Brothas roll. If a white person says nigger, even in the context of talking about the use of the word, he's in deep trouble. And when a 1/8 black "cracker" fights for justice for a homeless man attacked by a cop's son (not even bringing up the race of either), that just further confirms he's a racist.
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#78309 - 07/20/13 08:52 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: XiaoGui17]
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The link to the flyer didn't work, can you repost it?
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#78312 - 07/20/13 10:46 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: SIN3]
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I've seen the flyer. I wouldn't use it to confirm or deny any racial animus on the part of Mr. Zimmerman. On a side note XG: You're posting the response of someone on another site. Would it not be more fair just to let SIN3 analyze it? She only posts here.
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#78315 - 07/21/13 03:18 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: XiaoGui17]
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XG, the correct term for a 1/8th black cracker is "octoroon." Just here to help. Finally, we're all racists. To believe otherwise is just as absurd as believing in Jesus.
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#78322 - 07/21/13 09:22 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I'm guessing it's this flyer?

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Seminole County NAACP president Turner Clayton, a member of the Zimmerman family wrote that George was one of “very few” in Sanford who publicly condemned the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on Dec. 4, 2010, by the son of a Sanford police officer,” who is white.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmer.../#ixzz2ZgWWQmsU


Even with the FBI Investigation into his Background looking for elements of 'Racism' to determine if Zimmerman singled Trayvon out for being a 'Black Kid', I don't think his actions (or statements) clear him of racially motivated acts. It's not as if George is going to say to Police: "Yeah, I singled this kid out because he's Black. Blacks are renown for petty crime and drug use."

George was patrolling in his truck in the rain? He was going far beyond his duties as Captain of Neighborhood Watch. When he lost site of Trayvon, he got out of his Truck to pursue him on Foot. When he's speaking to the Dispatcher, he's out of breath. Some could argue its because of his Asthma, but it's more likely they he was walking quickly to keep his eye on Trayvon. When the Dispatcher asks him if he'll be by the Mailboxes at the Clubhouse, he tells him to just have the Patrol car call him (he'll obviously be on the move).

He seems to have been one of those inspiring wanna-be-officers. He's taking Martial Arts, buys a gun, gets involved in Politico (involving the beating of the homeless man). He's 'That Guy' and it ended badly for George as well. He may have used poor judgment but any hopes to a Law Enforcement career are most likely out the window (on both accounts).

He's also made inconsistent statements regarding the accounts which led to the physical altercation. Pretty easy to claim that it was self-defense after the fact, he was the Aggressor. Trayvon was still trying to make his way home. If George just stayed at the Clubhouse and waited for the Patrol Car, none of this would have occurred but he didn't.

Listen to the audio again. He clearly identified him as Black, and says "Something's wrong with this guy..." He also knows he's in his late-teens.

Even if he were concerned for burglaries in his gated community, he identified Trayvon as a 'Suspicious Guy', 'Walking and looking around', 'Might be on drugs or something...', in other words 'Other'.

Racism creeps up consciously and subconsciously. Even if Zimmerman is obviously not White, it doesn't mean he isn't profiling this kid, then pursues him in such a way that an altercation ensues.

Why didn't he just identify himself and explain why he's following him? Offer to drive the kid home? According to Rachel Jeantel's testimony, he thought he was creepy. The phrase 'Creepy Ass Cracka', is taken out of context as people keep using 'Cracker' (with an 'R' at the end) which would imply a racial tone and describing George as White. If he wanted to use a Racial slur, why not just call him a Wetback?

Much like Nigga vs. Nigger, if you don't know what the language means it's going to leave a lot to assumption.

The Prosecution was over-zealous about the Murder 2 charge, they should have pursued Manslaughter. Even if the jury was instructed to that consideration during the trial, there's too many variables for the Jury to consider to find George guilty. It is what it is, the bottom line is, people will have their 'opinions' about this case, and they are moot if they aren't sitting on the jury (including my own).

There's a double-standard with this case, and it's pretty self-evident without any person arguing in its favor.
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#78323 - 07/21/13 09:34 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Le Deluge]
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 Originally Posted By: Le Deluge
I've seen the flyer. I wouldn't use it to confirm or deny any racial animus on the part of Mr. Zimmerman. On a side note XG: You're posting the response of someone on another site. Would it not be more fair just to let SIN3 analyze it? She only posts here.


Jason King mentioned that he was arguing this over at S.I.N., so XG's post just fills in some holes for me. I'm guessing his most aggressive opponent is she.

I've never seen a 'real' photo of her, but I do recall her being described to me as a Gook (not by JK but other users of various sites). Isn't that sumthin'? To me, the screen name just communicated that she was a gift.

xiao se gui, means something like 'Small Gift' in Manderin but I could be wrong about that. It could be my passion for foreign films in Manderin that I pick that up from the screen name. One of my recent favorites is "Curse of the Golden Flower", a must see if you haven't been exposed to it. Such a beautiful film, it will give you an eye-gasm!

JK described her as highly intelligent in a very complimentary way. With so many users on these sites with low-intelligence, I have it on good authority that he appreciates her level of thinking and intellect very much. She would indeed be a gift.
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#78324 - 07/21/13 09:36 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Octavius]
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 Originally Posted By: Octavius
XG, the correct term for a 1/8th black cracker is "octoroon." Just here to help. Finally, we're all racists. To believe otherwise is just as absurd as believing in Jesus.


If you say it outloud Octavius, you'll indeed get protest. I say the same thing. I even commented as much on my podcast covering the Zimmerman trial. If you use 'race' in any manner to discern a thing, this is a 'race-ism'.
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#78325 - 07/21/13 10:02 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: SIN3]
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Dang-it, I should have check the thread on user Screen Names first. In hindsight, there's this:

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In Mandarin, Lao (Old) and Xiao (Little) are used to create nicknames for two people with the same name. So if one had two people named Cheng working at the same place, the older would be called "Lao Cheng" and the younger "Xiao Cheng."

My name is a tribute to the Southern Mongolian writer Ma Bo, who wrote a scathing critique of Maoist China called Blood Red Sunset. In China, he used the pen name "Lao Gui" (Old Devil) to avoid being caught for what he wrote. Xiao Gui, thus, means "Little Devil," or imp. It's a screen name I've had for years before I ever became interested in Satanism.


Looks like I was only half-right but the Devil being a gift and all...
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#78328 - 07/21/13 10:27 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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Discussion of 'Anger Management' with Zimmerman's associate with Joe Oliver. He seemes to have wanted to help for some reason but it doesn't appear that they were particularly close, just loosely friendly.

He had to gain access to George through his Attorney.

Court-enforced Anger-Management or attending under duress isn't the same thing as trying to manage your own compulsions.

In my personal experience with these types, people don't change. Events change.

It's not at all surprising that George is found to have a history of events in his past that demonstrate his compulsive nature.
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#78331 - 07/21/13 11:47 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: SIN3]
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As a guy with EXTENSIVE experience in the field with street crime, I have always been fascinated by this narrative:

White guy uses violence against Black guy = racist.

Black guy rapes, robs, tortures, brutalizes, kills White person = business as usual.

The fact is, Blacks are responsible for vast majority of violent crime in America - something like 13% of the population producing 80% of the crime. The fact that people "discriminate" against young black men is not racism but simple common sense. So if you profile a young Black man, so what? You look a little bigoted? Who cares? However, if you fail to discriminate against a potential threat you may find yourself raped, robbed, tortured and killed (and not necessarily in that order). In general terms, young black men do not target nasty bigoted rednecks. They tend to target younger open minded Liberals. Because these people do not want to appear 'racist' they often leave themselves open to attack.

Here are a few gems:

http://www.jhu.edu/jhumag/0608web/sowers.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

http://www.thegeorgetowndish.com/thelatest/woman-punched-while-pushing-stroller

And let's not get started with all of the YouTube videos. Hell, I could do a whole thread on that subject alone.
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#78333 - 07/21/13 12:20 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Fist]
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Statistically speaking, stats can be framed to what ever narrative makes 'sense' to the individual.

On a state by state basis, say we use Virginia where I live as a model. See: Virginia Consensus. Based on the number of people that actually filled out the consensus, 19.7 of Virginia's population is Black (71% White) vs. 13.1 percent (Black) in the US overall.

Check the incarceration rates: Here

If we are to use rates of incarceration to demonstrate 'crimes committed' by Blacks, it paints a trend of suspects.

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On sexual offences whites are 72 percent of the victims, black males committed 37.3 percent of the offences. Black males commit 80 percent of the robberies. Blacks commit 53 percent of the assaults and 54 percent of the car thefts. Black males alone commit 56 percent of the violent crime, with black females 63 percent. (Source: Virginia State Police)


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The Virginia white population is 5,671,432. 128 white offenders commit one hate crime for 44,308 white people.

The Virginia black population is 1,546,048. 72 black offenders commit one hate crime for 21,472 black people.



See also: The Color of Crime

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Why study racial differences in crime rates?
Many Americans believe this can lead only to invidious comparisons and scapegoating. Others resist the idea that there are significant group differences in crime rates, and believe that even if there are differences, society is to blame for not treating people of all races equally. Some scholars even suggest it may be better for Americans to remain ignorant of certain realities about race.(63) This view is
both obscurantist and patronizing: who is to decide which are the truths that must be withheld? Society does not benefit when information is suppressed.

Truth and knowledge are always better than falsehood and ignorance


How is this not a double-standard of racial profiling to discern crime rates using race as a factor?

It goes on:

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of those differences, the evidence is overwhelming: Blacks are considerably more likely than any other group to commit crimes.


It does not expand on the 'Why' of it, except to point out that common reasons provided are: Poverty, Lack of Education, and Employment. As if this isn't the case with the larger population of Whites (and other races).

These are Americans, their 'race' would then suggest that Blacks are more prone to commit crimes for simply being Black.
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#78336 - 07/21/13 01:21 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: SIN3]
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Its bad for the media not reporting attacks on white folk over here but if it happens the other way its plastered all over the news and called racist. Black teenager Steven lawrence got killed by white guys about 20 years ago, all over the news and still to this day its in the main news stories. An asian gang kidnapped tortured and murdered a 15 year old white youth Kris Donald from Glasgow and not a mention in any of the media outlets nationwide. I think thats heavy double standards especially when it was admitted in court he was only murdered because he was white.
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#78339 - 07/21/13 02:32 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: JTF]
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One of the most notable comments after the media frenzy over the lack of coverage of the murder of Kirss Donald:

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One of the most notable impacts of the murder was to force some people to examine their views of racism and its victims. Commentators such as Mark Easton cite the racist murders of Donald and also Ross Parker as demonstrating how society has been forced to redefine racism and discard the erroneous definition of "prejudice plus power" – a definition which only allowed ethnic minorities to be victims


One of the men (Imran Shahid) was on early-release from a previous charge of Road Rage, only to commit the murder (3) months later.

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The Pakistani police had to engage in a 'long struggle' to capture two of the escapees. There is no extradition treaty between Pakistan and Britain, however, the Pakistani authorities agreed to extradite the suspects.


Justice-system under scrutiny
^ Check out the comments on this video.

See also: The Legal Double-Standard


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#78342 - 07/21/13 03:45 PM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: SIN3]
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Thats Right Sin. If it wasn't for the help of muhamed sarwar(labour mp)going over to pakistan to try secure an extradition they would have evaded justice. Thanks for the link Sin I dont know how to put them up ha ha.

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#78421 - 07/23/13 04:22 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: JTF]
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In today's age, it is ironic that the very things that could make someone not racist, would often make them labeled one.

There are double standards relating to racism in this country, that is evident with the Zimmerman trial. People care a lot more about a black victim of a hate crime, than a white victim of a hate crime. Nobody reports it if innocent white people get killed in response to the verdict, and some people will sympathize with people who commit such hate crimes, just because they are "angry about racism". It's ironic that they claim to care so much about hate crimes if they think that way. I'd have no sympathy if the white sympathizers became the victims.

Everyone jumps to conclusions, and throws all logic out the window regarding matters of race. Here in Vegas, cops are notorious as ass holes, a white man once told me a story of being taken to jail just for J-walking. Had that happened to a black man, it would automatically be assumed it was due to racism. However, the reality is he is just a prick. So much anger is generated over 'racist' incidents without even knowing if they were racially motivated. It is possible for a white person to do something to a black person for non-racist reasons. If you think of how many crimes involve a perp and victim of the same race, it brings forth a revelation: there are reasons for a murder other than a race crime...so why is it presumed that a white on black crime is always because of race?

In essence, logic and reason are thrown out in white on black racial matters. I believe a lot of things because I am NOT a racist, that get me labeled one because I apply them equally(as a non racist would do). Basically here are some and people's attitudes about them.

I think racial pride is stupid. You don't earn your race, it indicates no accomplishment. Why be proud?

Great logic, as long as you only say it about white people. However, saying it is stupid for black people to have racial pride, well you couldn't think that without being a racist right?

I believe the most qualified individual should get a position(in a job, or whatever other institution) race should not matter.

Using it to favor a black person is seen as promoting equality, using it to favor a white person is seen as racist. If a white person applied somewhere, was clearly the more skilled than a black person who got a job, and claimed they were denied because they were white they would be labeled bitter, and probably racist. If a black person does the same, they are seen as standing up for their rights.

I don't believe something is valid, or have respect for it just because it is a major part of a culture. My 'Satanic' mentality is basically what makes me believe this. This is applied equally to all races/ethnicities.

This is fine if you are talking about American society. However, if it is referring to a culture of predominately non-Caucasians, well you can't go near that. The biggest example is how people are fine if you hate Christianity all day, but god forbid you say you hate Islam for the same reasons.

We are all individuals, responsible for only what we as individuals do in life. People should not be denied an opportunity because of their race, but should be treated equally. Equal treatment means judging people based on their personal merits, regardless of race, it does not mean trying to racially even out the people in a field. Despite people's perceptions, real equality is not meant to favor minorities.





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#78428 - 07/23/13 10:41 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: 334forwardspin]
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'Race' is held in the forefront of any analysis as if Ethnic Locale separates our species. While there are some medical markers for certain diseases, aside that? I don't see the point in perpetuating racial factors, especially in statistical analysis.

In my example provided (Color of Crime), what if we remove race all together and focus on say... Age, Sex, Class, State, Neighborhood, etc. Much of the same. In determining why crimes are committed and building a usable model for Law Enforcement to find suspects, it seems to always go back to race.

It's not as if an in-depth analysis is performed to determine the background of each individual person within those same Stats. People are just lumped into classifying groups by things like income and education level and much of that data is pulled from the Employment Commission in any given State. It can't however account for the number of people that are cash and carry, working under the Table to ensure their income isn't taxed to death. Never mind the number of illegals in any given State that aren't paying taxes in the first place, this number represents Millions...Perhaps in the Billions. Who can say for sure?

Why is the U.S. still using Race in its Consensus? What does this consensus provide using a racial focus of classifications? Some people just check boxes for the sake of thumbing their nose at the question of Race. Why does it really matter? Whom does it matter to? What purpose does it actually serve?

There are statistics that don't coincide. For example, each legal citizen is issued a Social Security Number and is required to have legal Identification: a Photo I.D. of some kind, whether ID, Driver's License or Passport. All of these identify a person's features, to include their Race. The Illegals either don't have any of these, or have fake I.D. sold on the Streets. If say, the Stats from the Employment Commission or DMV don't match the Stats from the Consensus, where are the checks and balances? So the data is pretty much a rough guess, at best an Estimation. Mostly, its just bunk.

Those same Stats will be used in studies, reports, and often quoted in Academic papers or News reports. It's all 'Statistics Show....', in the case of the report I provided, incarceration rates were used. Using other 'Stats', there is also the number of people falsely accused of crimes, later released when something like DNA evidence surfaces, if they are lucky. The number of crimes that go 'unreported' would be difficult to pin because well, they go unreported! Rape is a good one to analyze more closely.

Like I said earlier on, the 'why' of it seems to point to Blacks as if they have some genetic marker for Violence vs. Whites. Oh yeah? Show me. There's far too many variables to keep propagandizing the same reasons, and/or Stats that say 'Blacks Commit more crimes per Capita'. I don't buy it. I'm not convinced that its simply because they are Black.

It just perpetuates more racial driven fear of the Black. Now-a-days, it's driven towards the Middle-Easterner, as if they are all Serial Bombers and Radicals. Please.
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#101114 - 06/26/15 08:13 AM Re: Racial Double Standards [Re: Jester]
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As an egalitarian and from a "mixed" racial background everyone I believe has the right to be proud of heritage or genetic makeup but the terms "white" and "black" seem so antiqued even though they are used as a census term to divide our nation (US).

For example: I would be considered "white" but my heritage is Yugoslavian, Spaniard, Portuguese, Native American, and that's just what I know thus far. So if I chose to put hispanic which
is in my blood someone who's Mexican might take offense to that (which I have no idea why if it's true) yet it seems to all boil down to struggle. If a black male who was to look at me, then proceeded to ride this whole idea of African American oppression in America I could only look at them as ignorant to others struggles. I could very well strike back by saying my people were oppressed as well referring to my Yugoslavian heritage but in the end we would be babbling about social injustices founded in the past. I guess then I could only refer to peoples actions and inquire on how they carry themselves.

I'll be frank,
I could go to any feminists forums and hear the same conversation over the opposite sex or even worse Misandry Feminazi propaganda. All this division hurt my head, no one is born with a silver spoon that makes them more important or gives them more attention than others period. We are all equal based upon skin/sex. We are only different by the degree's of success we reach.

Honestly though celebrate whatever you want, I wish there was more holidays, more paid days off, hell if I could everyday would be 4th of July, Cinco Demayo ect... wait.... take that back everyday would be Haloween or The Day of The Dead }8D
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