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#20961 - 02/21/09 02:15 PM The political illusion
joseph oreilly Offline
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Within this day and age I find it difficult to believe that government, politics and democracy actually takes place, society as we know it exists purely upon consumerism and policing, and we're lead to think that these two elements of our world are determined by government by the medium of democracy? As Lenin stated 'it doesn't matter who votes it matters who counts the votes' and besides even if votes are counted despite the main aims of any of the magor political parties can we really expect any kind of outcome of action they'd take after ellected would differ from another?
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#20970 - 02/21/09 04:44 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: joseph oreilly]
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If you take it as a basic premise that everyone is a selfish opportunist you will rarely be disappointed.

Govts are essentially organisms composed of little individual cells of govt employees. Their primary function is the health of themselves and the larger organism. To this end, the organism of govt seeks to expand it's size, scope and power.

The Ubermench is a person that create opportunity out of adversity. To this end, given the above reality, what measure are you taking to strive under the current paradigm?
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#20975 - 02/21/09 08:00 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Fist]
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Well you're definately right about the organism expanding it's size but I don't know about the part where you said the individual Government employees are concerned about their health. My wife works for a company that has a contract with the state of Texas. The State employees have expanded their size that's for sure. Each on of those people has to weigh at least 3 to 400LBs. I don't see that as being to healthy. It gives new meaning to the phrase "Big Government"!
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#21114 - 02/25/09 11:06 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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Of course living within a certain system of rules,regulations and oversights etc. brings certain realities to light, it's always there and I would guess that many of those here were probably born into geographical systems without their consent. As long as one realizes that they have no use for it other than the mechanical marionette then they are well on their way to complete disgust and dissatisfaction which evolves posthumasly to why one might be here in the first place- or I might just be another E-Asshole who is full of shit.
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#21278 - 03/01/09 08:05 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: joseph oreilly]
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I couldn't agree more. I've done enough research to know that we are only deceived into thinking we are living in a free and open society. Most people are spoon fed propaganda from the day they are born and never question what they are told and never dare to think outside the box. There is plenty of history that is never taught to us in school, and it's for a reason. They don't want us to know the truth, and what's sad is when a few of us discover the truth we are shunned and often labelled "un-patriotic" or "conspiracy theorists". It scares me to think how many of our rights we and several generations before us have given up our for the sake of comfort and security.
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#21280 - 03/01/09 08:33 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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So, beyond just agreeing that we have a problem, what do you intend to do about it?

Can you change the system? Probably not. So given that reality what do plan to do? Cry? Whine? Go tell your mama?

What would the Ubermensch do?

How about some concrete things that can be done thrive in this sort of environment.
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#21306 - 03/01/09 01:02 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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 Originally Posted By: Kenny Lane
I've done enough research to know that we are only deceived into thinking we are living in a free and open society.


So well decieved that they allow you to express how you feel you are being decieved, in a free and open way. Whoever "they" are, they are pretty commited to the lie.

 Originally Posted By: Kenny Lane
Most people are spoon fed propaganda from the day they are born and never question what they are told and never dare to think outside the box.


People are spoon-fed propaganda, I will agree there - but propaganda is necessary in a sense. All propaganda is nothing more than a tool for the dissemenation of ones ideals. Take this post for example; a classic example of propaganda. Remember, that propaganda doesn't always have to come from the powers the be. It could be the brain child of a newspaper editor, an advertising executive, even your own mind.

 Originally Posted By: Kenny Lane
There is plenty of history that is never taught to us in school, and it's for a reason. They don't want us to know the truth.


Are you familar with the phrase, "history is written by those who win"? If they didn't want us to to know the truth, it wouldn't be possible to find out the truth.

"The truth", as it were, is a pretty obscure concept which needs a little more flushing out. What in school do you feel decieved about? The proliferation of the belief Columbus was anything more than a glorified rapist? Or, perhaps you think we never landed on the moon.

 Originally Posted By: Kenny Lane
It scares me to think how many of our rights we and several generations before us have given up our for the sake of comfort and security.


I agree, but, well armchair revolution and all....
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#21314 - 03/01/09 01:26 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Sure we live in a free society. We are free to move around in and play in the sandbox. By the rules of course. The size and shape of the sandbox are always subject to change, however, and dare ye not step outside of it.
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#21316 - 03/01/09 01:31 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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Oh look,.. someone else who has done "research"....
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There is plenty of history that is never taught to us in school, and it's for a reason. They don't want us to know the truth, and what's sad is when a few of us discover the truth we are shunned and often labelled "un-patriotic" or "conspiracy theorists".

That's because those people want to stand out with their "newly acquired intelligence" and in reality are too stupid to keep their heads down since they didn't think about how others might react..
Also, if you want to learn ALL history, you might be busy for a while...

If they didn't want us to know the truth, they would do everything to keep it away from us.. yet a simple search on google provides most answeres..
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#21319 - 03/01/09 03:53 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Dimitri]
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Good grief you people are tiresome.

Here, want a real solution? I cannot improve upon this:

THE U.S. IS TERMINAL
By Kurt Saxon

Our species has become a plague on the land. Worldwide, we have out-bred the carrying capacities of our environments and our socioeconomic systems. Our country is swamped with morons and degenerates. The Mexican border has become a huge anus through which Mexico excretes its waste matter. There are at least eight million Muslims here, all too many of which, feel commanded to destroy us.

Around 1850 our species reached one billion. By 1930 it doubled to two billion and by 1975, four billion. Today it is six and a half billion and climbing.

U.S. population was just under 100 million in1900. Today it is 300 million, 100 million non-white.

The insane middle-east war against Islam is further ruining our economy.

Overpopulation and down-breeding has reduced the level of reasoning of the average human to that of a baboon. A terrible culling is due, or overdue, of more than 50% of our population who will die of starvation, disease and/or violence.

I will illustrate: A man feels poorly and goes to his doctor. The doctor tells him he has a spreading cancer and is overweight and getting fatter. He asks the doctor, "Can't you cut out the cancer and help me lose weight?" The doctor answers, "Of course not. Your cancer cells and your fat cells have as much right to live as do your normal cells."

You would consider that doctor to be insane. But isn't that the same attitude as our politicians, and, unfortunately, most of our politically correct fellow citizens express? People who were born to no purpose and are a social liability, at best, will be culled as a matter course. Those who accept them as simply a part of the scheme of things, will be a part of an indiscriminate culling which will carry off both worthwhile and worthless.

Our elected officials are corrupt and incompetent. No improvement is possible, short of the massive culling. The culling will remove the parasites, predators, perverts and also the Liberals, who not only allowed, but encouraged society's dregs to survive and multiply.

Your only hope lies in the knowledge of our past, in preparing to save yourself and your loved ones. Only the self-sufficiency of our ancestors will help you to create a life-support system and also enable you to defend your own against all comers.


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#21336 - 03/01/09 06:33 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
So, beyond just agreeing that we have a problem, what do you intend to do about it?

Can you change the system? Probably not. So given that reality what do plan to do? Cry? Whine? Go tell your mama?

What would the Ubermensch do?

How about some concrete things that can be done thrive in this sort of environment.



What is there to do? You like so many other people assume there is a solution or cure to everything in existence when infact a great deal of existence is ridden with unsolvable dillemmas which overtime become even more futile with human meddling.

( Human beings create most of their own suffering. Enjoy the irony since that my friend is all one can truely do.)

( You can change yourself on the micro plane of existence but when you go against the macro you can do nothing.)

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#21337 - 03/01/09 06:35 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: LordOf_illusions]
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All that matters is the micro plane..ie ones personal environment. There is plenty to do there without wasting time and energy struggling against the universe.
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#21345 - 03/01/09 06:49 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
All that matters is the micro plane..ie ones personal environment. There is plenty to do there without wasting time and energy struggling against the universe.


I second that. It is the other people that get in your way that becomes a real bitch to deal with.

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#21352 - 03/01/09 06:56 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: LordOf_illusions]
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Enter the concept of Satanic lesser magic...
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#21371 - 03/01/09 09:41 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Fist]
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Well I know one thing we can all do. We can stop beleiving everything our great and almighty government tells us and start thinking for ourselves. Just because Might is Right doesn't mean our commander in cheif can just bypass congress and side-step the constitution of the United States so we can invade someone else's soveriegn nation based on the big lie we were all told about weapons of mass distruction.
But hey! You're in the Army. You're not supposed to question authority are you!

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#21382 - 03/02/09 03:40 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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I think if there were to be no more white house and possibly no house of representatives the holes in society would be noticed and eventually the flow of human organization and manipulation (not to mention economy and laws) would become more in flux until another "government" is established.
This question feels an awful lot like the theory of money being a nonexistent item in our society.
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#21383 - 03/02/09 04:09 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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I think Fist's "microcosm" is pretty much set... He's looking "outward"... and I think that point was sorely missed.

Keep it up man, acausal man..
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#21387 - 03/02/09 10:34 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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Again, dumbass, given the current paradigm what are you doing to feather your own nest?

If you are looking for the 'leadership' to lead you out of the wilderness then you will be looking for a long time. Let me know how that works out for you...
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#21405 - 03/02/09 02:11 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: LordOf_illusions]
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 Originally Posted By: LordOf_illusions

What is there to do? You like so many other people assume there is a solution or cure to everything in existence when infact a great deal of existence is ridden with unsolvable dillemmas which overtime become even more futile with human meddling.

( Human beings create most of their own suffering. Enjoy the irony since that my friend is all one can truely do.)

( You can change yourself on the micro plane of existence but when you go against the macro you can do nothing.)


What you propose and promote here is old religious thinking. It's god's will, don't fight it, surrender, suffer. For thousands of years the majority has submitted itself to a martyr-ideology in which they, in awe of the opposition, submitted themselves or retreated into apathy. If an animal is cornered it fights until it's last breath or last drop of blood, so why do we humans glorify peaceful surrender? It is exactly that tendency that keeps the social structure as is, that keeps, no matter what societal changes, der Untermensch in his habitat.

As a follower of the LHP, I do have a hard time submitting, victimizing myself. Why would I make a choice for apathy at all? Because the opposition is too big, because they outnumber me? The only message I sent, when not raising my fist, or throwing a rock or doing anything in opposition, is; what a feeble creature I am. Ein Untermensch.

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#21414 - 03/02/09 05:56 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Dan, have you forgotten, " Whatever is above is like that which is below" ? The Microcosm is the same as the Macrocosm. I find your exclusion of balance in ones life to be disturbing. That would explain a lot concerning yoursel. Also, the fact you are a faggot Canadian to explain the rest. You have talked hard against me, however, I believe you wouldn't be so tough in person. You advised me to eat a bullet; in person, I 'd kick your punk ass. Please respond to this, faggot.
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#21417 - 03/02/09 06:48 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: tomas]
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Tomas, I've been a member here for two days and your posts have stood out to me as nothing but whining and pseudo-intellectual drivel. Dan's posts, on the other hand, show that he has an intimate understanding of what this community is about. And his nationality should have nothing to do with anything. People like you are what give the rest of us Americans a bad name. I'm embarrassed to be a citizen of such an arrogant, ignorant nation--because of people like you. People are talking tough to you here because you're an idiot, and you deserve to get called out for it.
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#21425 - 03/02/09 09:21 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: tomas]
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Ahh your true colors. What took you so long?


Internet tough guys always make me smile \:\)
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#21426 - 03/02/09 09:32 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: tomas]
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Sorry... but that Canadian's perfectly able to handle himself intellectually and physically.

The childishness of this "I'd kick your punk ass" and "faggot" crap is beneath any hope for intellectualism on your part. Makes me wonder if you're at all what you claim. I'm not in charge of the board, but were I, you'd be engaging is a well deserved time out. But being that that's not my call, I'll just exercise my ignore option.
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#21467 - 03/03/09 01:16 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: LordOf_illusions]
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( Human beings create most of their own suffering. Enjoy the irony since that my friend is all one can truely do.)


Well no shit, Captian Obvious. It certainly isn't the apes. Yet.
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#21652 - 03/06/09 07:21 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

People are spoon-fed propaganda, I will agree there - but propaganda is necessary in a sense. All propaganda is nothing more than a tool for the dissemenation of ones ideals. Take this post for example; a classic example of propaganda. Remember, that propaganda doesn't always have to come from the powers the be. It could be the brain child of a newspaper editor, an advertising executive, even your own mind.


You need to clarify as to what propoganda consists of, by your definition it simply means the communication of any kind of relative ideas possibly the best interpretation definately the broadest possible one.

 Originally Posted By: Fist

What would the Ubermensch do?


That term comes from Neitchze's book entitled 'thus spake Zarathustra', which is heavily 'annotated' by his sister and neice, basically the ubermensch fly around and stuff like some kind of Shakespeare Tempest rip off, how that relates to actual humanbeings is anybodies' guess.

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#21660 - 03/06/09 09:39 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: joseph oreilly]
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That term comes from Neitchze's book entitled 'thus spake Zarathustra'...


Really?! You don't say?

Did you have to google that or did you know that before developing an interest in Satanism?

If you really don't understand how the concept of the 'Overman' applies to Satanism then you should really limit your prattling to the Satanism 101 section until you can figure it out.

All the same, you still fail to answer the question. Given that you are living in an unfavorable paradigm, what do YOU as an individual plan to do to ensure that you and yours thrive under such conditions?
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#21676 - 03/07/09 08:02 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
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That term comes from Neitchze's book entitled 'thus spake Zarathustra'...


Really?! You don't say?

Did you have to google that or did you know that before developing an interest in Satanism?

If you really don't understand how the concept of the 'Overman' applies to Satanism then you should really limit your prattling to the Satanism 101 section until you can figure it out.

All the same, you still fail to answer the question. Given that you are living in an unfavorable paradigm, what do YOU as an individual plan to do to ensure that you and yours thrive under such conditions?



Well Nietzsche's Zarathustra character didn't like these flying fairy creatures he just went out of his cave picked up some dead people, met some animals and generally just traveled around talking to noraml human people.

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#21686 - 03/07/09 11:00 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: joseph oreilly]
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Again, I will pose this simple question.

What do you as an individual plan to do to affect your own situation? I think I have asked this same question at least three times now.
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#21715 - 03/07/09 09:34 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: joseph oreilly]
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 Originally Posted By: joseph oreilly
You need to clarify as to what propoganda consists of, by your definition it simply means the communication of any kind of relative ideas possibly the best interpretation definately the broadest possible one.


Actually, I don't need to clarify anything. More to the point I don't needto do much of anything, especially something you tell me I need to. If you don't know what a word means you have no business using it.
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#21748 - 03/08/09 05:14 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6

Actually, I don't need to clarify anything. More to the point I don't needto do much of anything, especially something you tell me I need to. If you don't know what a word means you have no business using it.


How's it any different if you don't know what the word mean's initially? Did you 'bagsy' the word by being the first person on the forum to use it?

 Originally Posted By: Fist
Again, I will pose this simple question.

What do you as an individual plan to do to affect your own situation? I think I have asked this same question at least three times now.



In dealing with scary flying creatures? Maybe some kind of harpoon gun with a rope?

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#21977 - 03/13/09 04:37 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: Kenny Lane]
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You are correct we live in a society that is based on the 'illusion' of "freedom'. I would definitely say that our society is indeed fueled by mindless consumerism and policing the 'herd' into believing contrived 'truths' that is sold as 'news' but hey, this is the world we live in. As a Satanist I choose to manipulate the outer world to my advantage for the own betterment of my life.
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#32470 - 12/02/09 05:49 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Evolutionists have stated long ago that living beings are capable of adapting to their habitats in order to survive. A group of hamsters were put into a fish tank with paper and they did paper houses, in sand they did holes. I wonder what humans will do in a couple of decades of exposure to high tech and democratic systems.
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#32474 - 12/02/09 11:50 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: seed]
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I noticed that this reply was addressed to me and upon going back and re-reading what I have said in this thread I still can't figure out what you are replying to. Yes, things adapt in order to survive. And your point is what exactly?
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#32475 - 12/02/09 04:11 PM Re: The political illusion [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Evolutionists have stated long ago that living beings are capable of adapting to their habitats in order to survive. A group of hamsters were put into a fish tank with paper and they did paper houses, in sand they did holes. I wonder what humans will do in a couple of decades of exposure to high tech and democratic systems.


Well I'm not too worried about all that exposure to technology, but those crazy democratic systems...man! I'm afraid for my life what the democratic system will do to the evolution of mankind! The whole rest of the physical environment doesn't really matter nearly as much as the effect that a particular approach to politics and social structure does in and of itself!
I mean, if people start thinking about stuff, or even just have the illusion of being able to think about stuff...Jesus Christ on a pogo stick, do you realize what that would mean?
Madness! Madness everywhere! There would be people walking down the street with a three arms, four legs, and eighteen different variances of sexual reproduction organs! It would be a walking nightmare orgasm of Lovecraftian proportions!
We simply can't have that! Abolish democracy, return to feudalism, to the bygone days of aristocracy, I beg of you!

...ok, asshole mode off.

You are confusing "evolution" with something else, or mixing and matching different meanings of evolution. Hamsters making homes out of sand and paper? That's not biological evolution...that's adapting without evolution. Has nothing to do with evolution! Now if a thousand generations of hamsters all lived in a big paper pit, than they might have evolved to better be able to use paper...but a single generation does not evolve over time.
Their thoughts can evolve, in a manner of speaking! They can think of greater, better ideas, or whatever...but they themselves don't evolve. They can figure out how to live in a giant paper pit in a single generation. I wouldn't imagine that it's exceptionally hard for about any animal to go from paper to sand to grass to butthole (...we are still talking about hamsters, here) and back again. Whoever thought of that experiment has way too much time and too few good ideas.

After a few generations of modern and future technology, I'm sure humans will have evolved in some ways. Maybe we'll finally, as a species, get rid of that pinky toe. Who knows? Predicting random mutations is about as easy as picking a number between one and some twenty five thousand, and then guessing another number after that between one and N, where N=the number of mutations possible to the aforementioned guessed number.

Democracy? Nothing really to do with biological evolution.

Going with what you meant...what will humans be like after all this high tech stuff? Well, if I were to guess...I would say pretty much across the board the potential of a single human will be higher than today, but the average human will probably be fatter and lazier.
As for the democratic systems? That really depends on what kind of democratic systems...going with the ones we have now, probably pretty much the same prognosis as above.

(...not sure why I bother, other than that I feel like having a mild rant. "Posts: 1". I'll be surprised if I ever see him again...)
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#33314 - 12/28/09 05:31 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: CJB]
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You are confusing "evolution" with something else, or mixing and matching different meanings of evolution. Hamsters making homes out of sand and paper? That's not biological evolution...that's adapting without evolution. Has nothing to do with evolution! Now if a thousand generations of hamsters all lived in a big paper pit, than they might have evolved to better be able to use paper...but a single generation does not evolve over time.

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Excuse me, for the improper use of the term evolutionist, if I should say that the term itself has been patented by the Darwinian school of thought.

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Madness! Madness everywhere! There would be people walking down the street with a three arms, four legs, and eighteen different variances of sexual reproduction organs! It would be a walking nightmare orgasm of Lovecraftian proportions!

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I guess that the perverted mind will always choose the extremes when applying their heads to anything they touch.

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I noticed that this reply was addressed to me and upon going back and re-reading what I have said in this thread I still can't figure out what you are replying to. Yes, things adapt in order to survive. And your point is what exactly?

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Good thinkers have always stated that good thoughts are the product of once own capacity of brain surfing and the time invested in it. Democracy is not old enough to satisfy the requirements of a control experiment.
Humans under democracy
Since we know humans have been self-adoring creatures that divided the planet in a variety of different kingdoms with the porpoise of not adoring what they don’t like. Even in their own kingdoms they have had problems adoring the dominating males. Having such a problem, the human organization evolved (not Darwinian) in governing systems such as monarchies, communism, socialism, totalitarianism, anarchism, oligarchies, etc. With the porpoise of controlling and giving something to adore, other than themselves, to this otherwise self adoring beings.
No need to explain that democracy (in its most primitive and superficial form of the term) in contrast with the old systems substitutes the adoration of others for self adoration.
Each man under the laws of perfect competition “are allowed to achieve their dreams” I recall: That is in the primitive most superficial form of the term democracy. Healthy nutrition for self-adoring beings, but demonstrated illusive in its live application.
After a period of exposition to the aforementioned, the control group started demonstrating its side effects. Using a theoretic number of 500,000,000 individuals exposed to the condition of self-adoring-freedom produced:
A high rate of discomfort once the available positions were taken.
A drastically marked substitution of the old customs for more fancier ones. (ex. Instead of calling it slave, will call it illegal alien).
A generation of super-egos trying to live a long with who they don’t like.
An increased investment in armament and technology to control this wild herd.
An auto destructive race for the control of the machinery that supports a democracy by the different dynasties or groups inside the self adoring-freedom.
And more…
Having the leading males in the control group seen, where all this was going to lead, marked the evolution of what was the primitive most superficial form of the term democracy, into the new and bettered “illusive state of democracy”. The most modern and futuristic kingdom with all the features of old monarchies, oligopolies, and oligarchic systems; with the difference of giving the individual the sensation of been, a self-adoring being.
About humans exposed to tech and democracy, I guess the answer rest in my definition of the new state of democracy: “Illusive democracy”. Then if is illusive, or just a most comforting image of the old monarchies, oligopolies, and oligarchic systems; the result (in an overall view of all the departments of a kingdom) will be the same as in the old kingdoms presented in a more fashionable way.

Or as some individuals concept monarchies = places where you can
dispose the rats.
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#33316 - 12/28/09 10:33 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: seed]
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Adaptations of the envirronement for the benefits of (or by a certain) specie can in a post-darwinian view lead to certain mutations for all life-forms being influenced and/or connected to this adaptation in a broad sense. These "mutations" can be bad or good, it depends on how you look at it or how beneficial they are in time (ie, if they have a certain value for the benefit of survival in it's broadest sense).

Adaptations can on long term have an influence on the evolutionary steps of a specie (if the adaptation is long-lasting), or it can have no effect at all.
It would be wise to keep the terms "adaptation" and "evolution" seperated, a connection can be made but the specific definition of these 2 words imply a seperation. I advice you to read Darwins' work a bit more thoroughly, together with a few works of Lamarck to get an idea of the idea of evolution. Post-darwinism is a term which SHOULD be looked up concerning this issue.


To continue, humans are a specie whose brain is used in finding parallels and/or similarities and structures in it's envirronement. Various examples of this are the people who have claimed to see elvis in your nearest supermall, to see the face of Jesus on a freshly toasted sandwich, and so on.

Humans, just like other animals, are self-organising. Trough time several ways of organisation have been used, found, thrown-away, adapted... .
Democracy is yet an other (untill now) succesfull way of political and hierarchical organisation. This is, untill another ideology and way of thinking is being promoted and implemented.

As you said, "real democracy" is but an illusion. Just as there is no "real capitalism", no real "technocracy",..
A political and/or philosophical ideology all looks nice and perfect in BOOKS and on PAPER, but it is NOT and CANNOT be implemented perfectly in the REAL world.
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#33626 - 01/07/10 04:52 AM Re: The political illusion [Re: Dimitri]
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The fact of democracy been a political illusion resides on that primitive roar, of unintelligent and desperate people (back in the 1800’s and beginnings of the 1900’s) that wanted more than anything to solve their present state and not to achieve an ultimate governing system. Is possible to detect this same example in today’s governing period, as the government makes a reversal to that old desperate scream of individuals fighting for fixing their present state when the real solution is far from the abundant crowds and is found in lesser.
Destroying in their way everything that was positive about other systems like monarchies, is naïve and is illusive.
Democracies have made adaptations from past systems, which is positive. For example a substitution for the old and violent dethronements of the governing monarchs is elections. When people disagree with the monarch they should go and dethrone him, through voting. (Different from the past poisoning of the king, or hanging him in the middle of the town)
A consistent event in past governing systems, but omitted in the present, and is the cause of exposure to Democracy and Technology, is the modern methods of colonizing, conquering, or invading countries. This was a frequent and common reality in the past, which as history can retell was confronted in many different ways.
In the present, after exposure to new technology, the invaders have been in the need of making adaptations, like substituting the old “lets battle at the doors of the city”; for a “Trojan Horse technique” or lets conquer them from the inside out. Invaders on high exposure to Democracy have learned and perfected, by natural adaptation and by expertise, ways of substituting what was a violent upraise in the past for a more technical one. A city of 9000 citizens (woman and children included) with the majority of strong man out in a foreign mission, was able to be taken with at least 2000 armed with spades, knifes, and bows, strong man already inside; by disabling the guards first, and capturing by intimidation the woman and children. In Democracy language a city of 9000 citizens (woman and children included) with the majority of strong man out in a foreign mission, can be taken with at least 2000 armed with money, visas, and citizenships strong man already inside, by disabling the man voters first, and capturing by intimidation the woman and children.
We should look in to the past, and see in systems like the ancient Chinese Empire, where names and titles where kept but the dynasties who overruled them were moved.
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