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#21203 - 02/27/09 09:14 AM TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook
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What can I say about this book other than it is as useful to you as you can make it.
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#21206 - 02/27/09 12:20 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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If that is all you have to say about this book; then why waste the space to post at all? Of course it is as useful as you can make it, The same could be said for anything. Take this post for example, it is only as useful as you can make it - and you haven't made it very useful.

Have you used the instructions contained in this book to make anything? Are the instructions easy to follow? Is the information accurate? What makes this book better than other books that were written on the same subject?

Adressing questions such as those would help to make this worth the time for people to read.
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#21213 - 02/27/09 06:02 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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Oh dear... it looks like the kids have the keys to the liquor cabinet again.

Ok, here is a little help, the IMH was sort of an experiment written primarily for Special Forces in the 60's and 70's. It has not been an official publication for over 20 years. I think the last edition was published in 1976 and the GPO stopped publishing it sometime in the 80's.

Like all military manuals it is written with assumption that you will have professional training prior to use. It is a guide - a text book. A fair bit of safety information is left out because it is assumed that you will understand what you are doing. The IMH also assumes that you are a military user with access to real military explosives. Many of the projects in the book require blasting caps that are very hard to procure outside of military or professional blasting channels.

"The Poor Man's James Bond" and other books by Kurt Saxon are much better, well written and safer. We discussed this a bit here:

Books of the Left Hand Path

Back in the day, your average budding Anarchist had to find this information though the grapevine in the real world. There was a also a small network of BBS's that was full of useful information. I have a nice collection of old .txt files that I collected. These sites will give you a taste of what the old BBS scene was like:

http://www.textfiles.com/anarchy/

http://web.textfiles.com/destruction/

I am still amazed that I have all of fingers....
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#21460 - 03/03/09 12:47 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Fist]
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#21481 - 03/03/09 06:55 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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What are you driving at?

Not a particularly useful or informative reply. In fact, on the subject of improvised weapons I have been doing all of the heavy lifting on this thread. What exactly have you contributed here?

By the way, care to post what recipe in the 31-210 you have actually used?

The word 'poser' comes to mind.
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#21504 - 03/04/09 10:03 AM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
What are you driving at?


I would be more fun to watch you guess at what I am driving at.

As far as the book itself is concerned it's simply written and straightforward with no bullshit or fluff, illustrations are included for pretty much every step along the way. I recommend this book to anyone with a level head on their shoulders and a good dose of common sense.

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#21505 - 03/04/09 10:12 AM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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I recommend this book to anyone with a level head on their shoulders and a good dose of common sense.

Someone with common sense would use the proper ammunition made for the proper weapon and wouldn't start shooting with improvised munitions.... Just a thought..

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I would be more fun to watch you guess at what I am driving at.

However it is not adressed to me; you are driving to nothing and are just being stupid...
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#21518 - 03/04/09 02:06 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

Someone with common sense would use the proper ammunition made for the proper weapon and wouldn't start shooting with improvised munitions.... Just a thought..

The obvious point you made is expressed in the book itself in the introduction, it's easily found online and addresses your concerns.
http://onlinebooks.110mb.com/tm%2031-210/31-210-introduction.htm

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
However it is not adressed to me; you are driving to nothing and are just being stupid...

Stupid questions deserve nothing more than stupid answers.

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#21521 - 03/04/09 02:28 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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 Originally Posted By: Cody
 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

Someone with common sense would use the proper ammunition made for the proper weapon and wouldn't start shooting with improvised munitions.... Just a thought..

The obvious point you made is expressed in the book itself in the introduction, it's easily found online and addresses your concerns.
http://onlinebooks.110mb.com/tm%2031-210/31-210-introduction.htm

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
However it is not adressed to me; you are driving to nothing and are just being stupid...

Stupid questions deserve nothing more than stupid answers.

Why bother reading it then?
Or are you one of those "anarchists" who try to make substitutes for the lack of bullets and whines afterwards if the whole thing "explodes" in your face? ..
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#21555 - 03/04/09 09:08 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Why bother reading it then?
Or are you one of those "anarchists" who try to make substitutes for the lack of bullets and whines afterwards if the whole thing "explodes" in your face? ..


I've read Mein Kampf, Quotations of Chairman Mao Tse Tung, Moby Dick, Kyudo- The Art and Essence of Japanese Archery, The Koran and Anne Rices Interview with the Vampire among numerous other books. With the logic you displayed above I could be a National socialist/communist whale hunting Muslim vampire that just happens to be pretty darned good with a bow.
That being said, it's a book of information I find interesting and that is the only reason I posted it, had the origional for a number of years and still read it from time to time, thought someone else might get some use or find it interesting. Considering this was posted in the Books, Media, and Literature dept. I am a bit confused as to the responses I have seen. Either read it or don't, it's of no concern to me either way, I guess I expected a little more open-mindedness.


Edited by Cody (03/04/09 09:17 PM)

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#21560 - 03/04/09 11:26 PM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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Considering this was posted in the Books, Media, and Literature dept. I am a bit confused as to the responses I have seen. Either read it or don't, it's of no concern to me either way, I guess I expected a little more open-mindedness.


My point is that 31-210 is of little use to the amateur. If you have had some professional training or are simply gifted in this material, 31-210 may be of some use.

For the novice there are much better text out there for these sorts of DIY projects.

Again, why would recommend 31-210 over some of the other text on the matter? Is there some particular project that you have had success with?
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#21567 - 03/05/09 02:38 AM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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I've read Mein Kampf, Quotations of Chairman Mao Tse Tung, Moby Dick, Kyudo- The Art and Essence of Japanese Archery, The Koran and Anne Rices Interview with the Vampire among numerous other books. With the logic you displayed above I could be a National socialist/communist whale hunting Muslim vampire that just happens to be pretty darned good with a bow.

Should I be impressed? I guess not...

Normally, when you want to praise a book you provide a link with a review or write one of your own with your own opinions..

It's easy to say you have read something, but the lack of back-up or a little text to make it more interesting isn't present which gives the impression you are just a postwhore or an attentionwhore without a brain...
In other words, review it or keep your mouth shut...
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#21671 - 03/07/09 02:17 AM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Dimitri]
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I did, but I guess I take too much for granted.



Edited by Cody (03/07/09 02:18 AM)

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#21674 - 03/07/09 06:10 AM Re: TM 31-210 Improvised Munitions Handbook [Re: Cody]
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You actually didn't..
You only said one sentence about it expressing halfly your opinion and after some questioning you provided a link where you could read it online...
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