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#21811 - 03/09/09 11:01 PM The Satanic Destruction Ritual
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I have had some range of success with Satanic rituals, but none as profound as the destruction ritual. There's nothing quite as dramatic as watching or hearing of a curse working. Quite frankly, it is the reason that I felt that Dr. LaVey was so interesting. I was a dweeby, skinny kid and the first bully I hexed got his teeth knocked out.

It's not always that accurate though. However, it never seems to amaze me when it does work. I am not the type of person who simply believes in stuff unless I see it. I would like to discuss hexing in general. I find this to be a rather touchy subject with some people, and that makes it even more intriguing.

In one of his books, Dr. LaVey declared that not everyone can do magic. It depends on a person's wattage. It is like a talent that can be honed, but never learned from scratch. It doesn't matter how many books you've read or how many lessons you've taken, if the innate talent isn't there, forget it.

There are other things that I can do that others cannot. I am good with art and music. Sometimes it creeps me out at what I can do. It's freaky. I have been a Satanist for many years, yet I still wonder what the source of this energy is. I can feel it building up during the ritual, if performed right. Any thoughts on throwing curses are welcome here.

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#21813 - 03/09/09 11:12 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Hexing, as far as I have experienced, is really no different than prayer, or seeing the virgin mary in a blob of tree sap. If you are looking for it you will see it. Does it fall within the laws of probability? Sure. Is it MAGIC? Probably not. I have yet to get proof of a solid account of ANY magic actually pulling its own weight. If I WANTED to see it that way I am sure I would, but that could go for prayer and so on. Basically...don't tell me, show me.
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#21815 - 03/09/09 11:54 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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This is the perplexing thing about this subject. It is kind of like UFO's or the abominable snowman. I wonder if there have been any studies on people who have hurled successful workings. There are many unexplored avenues that deal with the human mind that most people shrug off as nonsense, such as telepathy. Can people actually read each other' minds or send messages without talking or writing?

Well, outside of this, there is a great relief from throwing a hex. There can be alot of pent up hostility and hatred that is released during ritual, freeing a person's mind from these bad feelings. Perhaps after tossing someone a hex, the need to actually go out and bash the offender's head in with a rock somehow dissappates along with the need to suddenly change residence or appearence to avoid the local authorities.

We live in a world of decreasing personal liberties and increasing frustration. People are dangerous animals. It is of growing importance to resist violent physical confrontations.
Inmates in prison sometimes kill each other just because they get bored. In this ever expanding prison mentality of a world, I find great peace with the results I get from Satanic ritual.

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#21818 - 03/10/09 12:13 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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I can definatly understand the importance to avoid physical retribution without puting a great amount of thought, planning, and practice into it so as not to get caught. However, if I have been wronged, I look for EVERY oppertunity to wrong them in return. That is it. If the oppertunity, for example, comes where I can help them, I get great joy in that...for the obvious reasons of "standing over them" and watching them suffer. If I never see them to accomplish this, than they are obviously out of my life which in itself is a plus.
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#21825 - 03/10/09 02:52 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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Perhaps one of the best detriments to violence against oneself is the distribution of fear. People can react out of love or respect,or even pity, but usually they will act in their own best interest unless motivated by some horror. One of the nicest things about the curse is that one never knows what to expect. This uncertainty is the nurturing place of fear. If the target knows of the nature of the peril, it can rationally decipher what it must do to protect itself. Unknown peril short circuits the thinking process and replaces it with the desire to run. Every now and then, someone must be made an example of so that people will not forget to be afraid. Governments know this, and individuals also can learn this . There is a balance factor. becoming too greedy or too cruel can become the source of one's demise.
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#21841 - 03/10/09 05:00 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Satanic ritual magic combines your will with the elements in order to bring about change according to your wishes. It is not prayer at all. There is no god deity. Earth, air, fire and water are elements. These have been used in magical rituals for probably thousands of years.
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#21847 - 03/10/09 11:22 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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The elements of which you speak which were used in forms of magic were considered to be elemental spirits… So while there is no god in your equation, there are spirits or in your case forces of nature… Seems pretty fucking close or no different to me…

“Nature spirits which include elementals are believed to be various types of beings or spirits which inhabit Nature.”

“Elementals are of a lower type of nature spirit. They are believed to exist as the life force in all living things. They are said to even exist in the four elements of earth, air, fire, and water; the planets, stars, and the signs of the zodiac; and the hours of the day and night.”


Elementals Link

Now let me further add witchcraft to ritual magic, and prayer… All of these work exactly the same through luck… If your prayer, curse, or spell works then what a powerful person you are, how powerful your faith in yourself or your god must be… Now if the same prayer, spell, curse, or working doesn’t work well then perhaps you were not focused enough or your belief in your god or your own power was not enough to secure the desired outcome… The only difference between prayer, magic or witchcraft is where you think this power comes from…

Can you really call on the power of the elements and believe that you are not calling on an external source of power? How different from asking for god's favor is this? Can you honestly argue that because it has been done for thousands of years it must be correct? Following that train of thought then both you and I are on the wrong path, Jesus is real... Prayer must also be real...

Question everything as a Satanist just not magic as long as it works for you… In fact didn’t Anton say something along the same line about the use of satanic magic? Not to question it as long as it works for you? Sometimes it is easier to fool yourself than others, but a smart man can easily fool you into fooling yourself…

You admit yourself that curses only really work if the person deserves it… Why do you think this is? Could it not be this person’s disposition or actions that make him worthy of the curse itself is not what ensures his demise? Many Satanists admit that ritual is used only to clear the mind, the only difference I see from this to prayer is dumping your goals on an external deity… I would have to argue that even though a Christian prays to god the outcome of clearing the mind is not much different… Except while we may work to achieve what we want a Christian may wait hoping it will be handed to them…

The longer I look the more similar it all becomes… The basic instincts and common emotions that drive the human race are very few, quite disgusting to be a slave to without trying to understand these basics…

No fantastical beings in the sky no fantastical powers to be had…

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#21874 - 03/11/09 01:09 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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Well, it certainly does spin my wheels when a desired outcome happens at precisely the same time I conduct the ritual. There is definitely something....other...that enters into the equation during the summoning of the infernal names. I have also used lesser magic with some success. If all that this stuff does is give me a sense of empowerment, then hey, its a good thing. I do not feel as if I owe anyone anything, although I do acknowledge the benefits I recieve from magic, no matter what anyone else says.
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#21880 - 03/11/09 02:27 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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(Satanic ritual magic combines your will with the elements in order to bring about change according to your wishes. It is not prayer at all)

I agree.

Element of Fire:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pRihxvk4YY

Element of Water:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_oueK1OQYA

Element of Air:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK_wnaxIDbc

Element of Earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZwhfs1EVBs

Combining them all to attain ones means. No mumbo jumbo here. THIS is what I call a satanic destruction ritual.
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#21894 - 03/11/09 06:59 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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I think perhaps it bears mentioning the the purpose of any good ritual is to effect ones self, rather than ones environment.

Of course, through the influencing of ones own unconscious, ones environment can and will be effected.

"If that is the case why not just will yourself to act and feel as you wish?" If you find yourself asking this question you have more study to do on the subject of the nature of man, and the dualism that exists between the intellectual and the emotional.
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#21906 - 03/11/09 10:41 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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I must admit blsk that what you show is magic I can put my faith behind... No mumbo jumbo indeed...

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#21911 - 03/12/09 12:48 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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Well is there something i'm just not getting? Clearly I am retarded, but I do not get the whole magic thing. Is there something in TSB I am just not reading correctly, or something else that will explain it differently? Anyone care to clarify?
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#21912 - 03/12/09 12:56 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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It's all spelled out quite clearly in TSB. Greater magic is psychodrama, offering up the wonder and mystery our emotional half craves. Ritual allows us to purge emotions and ideas that, were we to dwell on them, could and probably would detract from the quality of our lives. Ritual offers a medium to influence the great unknown that is our unconscious minds..the true god of the autotheist.

And if, in the case of a destruction ritual, something bad should happen to the target of your ritualized release... all the better \:\)
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#21913 - 03/12/09 01:08 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Maybe it has been a while since I read that section...but for some reason that made perfect sense. Thank you Dan;)
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#21916 - 03/12/09 01:18 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
It's all spelled out quite clearly in TSB. Greater magic is psychodrama, offering up the wonder and mystery our emotional half craves. Ritual allows us to purge emotions and ideas that, were we to dwell on them, could and probably would detract from the quality of our lives. Ritual offers a medium to influence the great unknown that is our unconscious minds..the true god of the autotheist.

And if, in the case of a destruction ritual, something bad should happen to the target of your ritualized release... all the better \:\)


Yup this was what I got out of Satanic Ritual. The destruction ritual's main purpose is to get rid of emotions which may effect your day to day life negatively because you may act on them or whatever, it's much healthier to get them out through acting. That's the main goal, but if it actually works then fine.
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#21927 - 03/12/09 07:29 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Morbid Rex]
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Yes, hatred is indeed a very powerful emotion. What causes us to hate? Well, I am sure it is different for many people, so I will limit my comment here to my own experiences.
Someone cuts me off from something. This person interferes through conscious, unscrupulous action with what makes me happy. There is no discussing this with this person. For whatever the reason, this person resents me and displays a twisted joy in making me suffer. Unless this person is dealt with, the torture will go on and on. This ignites the survival instinct. The adrenaline rush of pure hatred rises in the heart, in the guts, clouding the mind and destroying whatever other pleasurable pursuits I may find in life.
So now, there is no choice but to act. In the old days, I could just pick up a nice sized rock, wait til the bastard goes to sleep, find him in his lair, and smash his skull into bite sized morsels. I may even savor a bit of his flesh, just to compensate in some material way for all the suffering I had to endure on his behalf.
Well, in today's modern society replete with surveillance cameras, microphones, cops, courts, prisons, and execution for premeditated murder the aforementioned form of revenge could have some rather unpleasant consequences for me.

So, what do I do?
Basically, I simply tie up all those nasty feelings and toss them
at my foe with the help of my elemental friends. Who are they really? Who the hell knows. I raise a sword and proclaim my friendship with them. They are, after all, my buddies out there who seem to come to my aid in times of need, friends indeed.
I call them out by names, the infernal names. Names people have called out for centuries, from all over the world. It seems they like candles. It seems they prefer night time.

Drink from the chalice. It does feel rather refreshing after saying all that stuff. Nothing tastes better than cool liquid on a parched mouth. Next, I state my case in very focused, precise, and detailed terms. The outpouring of wrath upon some sort of effigy is applied until it is a frenzy of long pent up emotion.
Is emotion the food of the gods? Hmmmm, could be. This may go on for some time, until I feel satisfied, sated, a bit worn out perhaps.

The appropriate enochian key is now read. Strange bits of poetry, are they not? These fellows John Dee and Edward Kelly were reputed to have scribed the language of the angels through seances centuries ago. Seems like pretty potent stuff. Just reading the tenth key can stir up feelings of anger in me for no particular reason at all.

Well, that done, it's time to ring the bell, blow out the candles and relax. I like the smell of candle smoke. It is so reassuring.

Perhaps the next day I find to my amusement that something bad has happened to my nemesis. Perhaps I may see the dolt on the bus
or street, but now he suddenly has nothing to say. My own feelings of hatred and discontent have been purged. That is certainly a welcome relief.

Well for whatever reason, these rituals are a part of my life. Satanism makes me feel good, all warm and fuzzy inside. Its like a nice, comfy blanket. This is why I love Dr. LaVey so much. Who knows where would I be had he not written my favorite little tome
over forty years ago? I like his other books too. He has a kooky sense of humor. He had a way with him that I admire, style, flash, pizazz, a true showman. He had a voice that rang through the ages, bringing them all together in a single moment of magic.

Do I live in a fantasy world? Perhaps I do. I'm an artist, a dreamer, a romantic, a believer. I was once told that I live in my own world. Well, it suits me. I get along quite well in it. I don't expect anyone else to tag along. I should charge admission. I should discourage others from interrupting my solitudinous mirth. Why even write this down here? I guess I still feel the need to be social every now and then.

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#21930 - 03/12/09 12:24 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Kudos. A great post. If I could give it 5 stars, I would. Thanks for sharing that. I really can't add anything to that.
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#21933 - 03/12/09 01:14 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: fakepropht]
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i agree. great writing capturing the essence of satanic ritual.



now can someone explain what kudos means. I thought it was a cereal.

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#21956 - 03/13/09 01:03 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: fakepropht]
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Well, perhaps I have one more thing to add concerning the candles. I no longer blow them out. Perhaps this would add the element of air at a time when the energy levels are disapating. I snuff them out instead with some tool like the point of a knife. The Satanic ritual is like a bow being slowly and gradually pulled until the apex of energy is reached. This level is fever pitch, almost impossible to control. At the point of release it is out of control, madly enveloping the ritual chamber like an atomic explosion.

And when the bastard is dead and buried, a sweet smile is on my face. I can return to my pleasurable existence with calmness and perhaps a touch of hilarity.

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#21974 - 03/13/09 02:21 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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When it comes to Satanic Ritual I understand the concept of using it as a means to release "negative" emotions that could hinder you from doing all the things you enjoy doing, but beyond that I am dumbfounded. Especially when people use words like energy. Energy is a word used to describe the amount of work that can be performed by a force. Knowing that, how does energy have anything to do with Satanic ritual, chakra alignment or any other new-age use of the word?

If you perform a ritual in hopes of causing someone harm, gaining wealth etc. isn't that just as useless as prayer? Wouldn't it be more "Satanic" to actually get out there and take some action? I realize that if you wanted someone to die and had an aversion to prison it probably wouldn't be a good idea to shoot them in the head. So visualizing their destruction would probably be a more intelligent psychological release from those feelings of hatred. But do you actually think there is some supernatural power behind Satanic Ritual?

Lets suppose through some coincidence, after performing a destruction ritual, your "target" gets hit by a bus. Would you assume that your ritual was responsible for it, or would you realize that sometimes people just get hit by busses? If someone told you that they prayed for money, and the next week the won the lottery, would you assume that God answered their prayer?

This question isn't directly aimed at Satansfarm, but anyone who would care to answer.
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#21976 - 03/13/09 02:56 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Let me put it on personal terms.

If you were pissed at me and wanted to kick my ass, you COULD try. Chances are good that I would kill you. But also, I'm the boss, and pissing me off at the very least would get you fired. You need the job. You have a wife, two kids, a chipmunk named Ernie and a grandmother to support. So what do you do?

Like millions of others have, you write a letter. You pour out all of your venom and your anger into that letter and tell me what an ass I am, how you want to kill me and that you hope I get roids the size of Volkswagons and a limp dick. You seal the letter. You address the letter to me. You put a stamp on it. You then rip it up and throw it into the trash... ritual complete.

Is it a prayer that you hope God will answer? No. It's a way to vent feelings that you can't practically vent in reality. Do you think that I'll get huge roids and a limp dick? Probably not, but it wouldn't bother you at all if I did, AND IF I DID, you could at least take satisfaction in knowing you had the last laugh.

The Satanic Ritual for the Conjuration of Destruction is nothing more than that. Of course, there are those who are going to dial their own agendas and their own mysticisms into it... can't help that. It's their head. You can't control what's in someone else's head.

It's as valid a ritual as singing along to Wednesday 13's BAD THINGS or Dope's DIE MOTHERFUCKER DIE at the top of your lungs while thinking about some asshole in your life. You don't expect them to die. But you really couldn't care less if they did.
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#21981 - 03/13/09 08:05 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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LOL, excellent description:) Love the 'roids part.

Anyways, it appears to be nothing more than cutting out someones face from a picture and putting it up on a dartboard. It is anger management. Taking a baseball bat to a pillow. Thanks, got it. I would rather make them pay...
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#21983 - 03/13/09 09:23 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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Yep. Physical retribution is always an option for those of us who sometimes feel the need to reach out and touch somebody. A good liver-shot to the body of someone who desperately needs it works wonders for me sometimes, too.
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#21986 - 03/13/09 09:44 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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Am I grossly taking things out of context to make the connection between a destruction ritual and "turning the other cheek?" Most people of faith turn the other cheek as opposed to taking things into their own hands out of fear of retribution from a god. They may not act on what they feel, but they hate that person in their heart. A "satanist" may not act out against someone who has wronged them out of fear of a god, like law enforcement(seeing as we are all gods), but in his heart still hold that same contempt only to voice it in privait. Granted, this one might be a bit more honest about his/her feelings, but does nothing more than a ritual to "take care" of the situation hoping justice will be done. Much like a person of faith will pray for their enemy hoping "god" will "take care" of them hoping for the outcome to be "just."

Okay, lemme have it...
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#21987 - 03/13/09 09:51 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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In the old days, when the cave dudes wanted a deer,they would:

dance around
light a big bonfire
fuck like mad
draw pictures on the wall of a successful hunt
make offerings to the appropriate deity

not necessarily in this order

Of course, they did not expect the deer to just wander into the cave and lay down on the grill.

Next morning, bright and early, they get their spears and go hunt the deer.

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#21988 - 03/13/09 09:59 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Yes, and as man learned, these acts were weeded out as they were unnecessary, and a waste of time. Which is why educated, nonsuperstitious men no longer do them today. You could simply plan ahead, study your prey and attack...as fun as dancing around a fire and fucking can be:)

There is nothing wrong with doing this, by any means. I simply wanted to know where the power is in it. I see now that, at least for me, there is none. I can, however, see how it is attractive.
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#21990 - 03/13/09 10:10 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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Two separate things altogether.

"Hate your enemy with a whole heart, and if a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other!" is meant as a one on one direct action. It's confronting the enemy who attacks you physically and is an imminent threat.

The Ritual for the Conjuration of Destruction's not the same in that it doesn't imply that there is a direct physical threat. (Although there COULD be that component if it's in the nature of a person for whom you could never compete against physically, as in a woman against a strong and aggressive man.) The person COULD be someone that you can't confront physically, but moreover it's seen as the threat that's there, just as malevolent as a physical attack, but not a direct physical attack. It's meant as a form of retribution, plain and simple, only in a ritualistic context.

One might best use the Conjuration of Destruction against the coworker who undermines you at work, always trying to one-up you with the boss, perhaps even manipulating the situations to make sure they get the lion's share of glory for a project well done. Now, you COULD smash his face in... but you'd lose your job and he would benefit by being the victor in retaining HIS job after being attacked by his co-worker. He REALLY couldn't see why. He was always supportive of you. But maybe this is just further proof that YOU needed to move on... maybe the job was just too much.

So, you see that direct confrontation and physical assault could easily work against you. This is the time you would go into the "intellectual decompression chamber" that is a Satanic ritual and exorcise that inner demon (the rage you feel), so that you can go back at it and, hopefully with a fresh look at things, to find a way to defeat this man at his own game.

The direct retribution of "Smite and Smash" is more closely aligned to self defense for a physical aggression.
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#21991 - 03/13/09 10:19 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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Starting to make more sense. Thank you. Damn, i'm bad at this.

It's a way to get your head on strait so your not running around, pulling hair out of your head. So you can come to the realization that you are better off following him home and haunting him, fucking with HIS environment so that HE is the one running around, pulling the hair out of HIS head! Sweet!...;)
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#21992 - 03/13/09 10:26 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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Oh well, I might just wind up kicking the idiot's door in one night
and bashing his skull in with a rock. I'll have to leave town and perhaps acquire a new identity. Other than that, there's cousin Mikey from outta town.

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#21993 - 03/13/09 10:27 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: blsk]
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Yep. Once you've worked out on the heavy bag and gotten it out of your system, you go to the showers and think of the best way to beat your enemy at their own game.

"Give him blow for blow, scorn for scorn, doom for doom: with compound interest liberally added there-unto. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundred-fold. Make yourself a Terror to your adversary and when he goeth his way, he will possess much additional wisdom to ruminate over," isn't always physical. But it is always satisfying!
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#21994 - 03/13/09 10:42 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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There is always some creep who is good at manipulating the system. They use house rules, they call the cops, they do all these annoying things well within the limit of the law, but at the same time pushing the envelope. I am a straight shooting type of person, not really given to scheming and intrigue. I don't like being pestered by anyone. I don't have the time to get back at them using their own medicine. Furthermore, it is against my principles to stab people in the back. I prefer to open them up from the front with a nice haymaker. So, I work out, make people know that I can dish out some rather incredibly distinctive pain producing techniques. There is the look in the eye that lets the person know that you are completely psycho and have no problems at all with doing really anatomically disastrous things to them. This is perhaps some Lesser magic.
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#21999 - 03/14/09 05:58 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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And lets not omit another factor for performing Satanic rituals, perhaps one of the most important to me. It may explain for my kinship to my cave buddies back there rutting away and bangin drums and such. It is fun. It is reveling in the senses. There is a need for fun. Well, ok, I have a need to have fun. I am creative. Why? I paint these paintings, play music, write poetry, make crummy little vids and crack jokes. It's not necessarily absolutely necessary for survival, it's not terribly profitable, and I am not that serious about it cuz....well, That would spoil the fun. I'm a fun kind of guy. I can take the incidents of someone who tortures me, and have loads of fun getting back at him/her/it. C'mon, try the voodoo doll.Stick a few pins in. It's just marvy.
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#22018 - 03/14/09 09:39 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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Nothing personal Jake, this is a general reply to this topic and the reason I will no longer be contributing to this forum.

As I have stated before I am 100% Atheist & a 100% materialist (no gods, demons, elements, spirits or angels).

But ritual magic works. It is a latent mechanism inherent to all life. Look around you. Every corner of the globe has it's own version. People isolated by mountains, oceans & ice all have the same belief. Yet you all think you are above it all and that is why I have decided to move on. No offence.

Re-read TSB, LaVey hinted at it, he told you it was real. The clues are there if you care to look. Ask yourself why TSR are so irrelevant.

Remember! Nothing spiritual just a latent ability which needs the key of Ritual to unlock the subconscious.

Anyway, like I said I won't be back but you all take care.
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#22019 - 03/14/09 10:11 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Paul]
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It's too bad he won't be here long enough to explain why he thinks ritual magick works. I would've really enjoyed reading about it..

However, the power of suggestion (or lesser magick) I do believe to be "real". As for the whole destruction/compassion/lust ritual deal, I think it's more of a release of emotion to clear the conscious of the individual and anything that actually happens is mere coincidence. I've experienced strange coincidences many times with ritual magick, but I can't say I've ever had money fall out of the sky for me. Almost every time there was a logical explanation behind what went on. Anything beyond that I felt was merely my imagination, or a change in my perception or my perceived reality. It's also nice to think that you may have had something to do with the downfall of someone who interfered in your life. Not that you can take full responsibility for it, but it's always nice to know that things worked out in your favor so to speak.
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#22025 - 03/15/09 01:08 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Mike]
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 Originally Posted By: Mike

However, the power of suggestion (or lesser magick) I do believe to be "real". As for the whole destruction/compassion/lust ritual deal, I think it's more of a release of emotion to clear the conscious of the individual and anything that actually happens is mere coincidence.


You know, Mike, I have to admit that most of what you post about Satanism is purely your own ideas and have little to do with Satanism from a LaVeyan standpoint. You and I would definitely not be found in the same ritual chamber... but I also have to admit that when you're right, you're right. And you're right here.

For those of you who have yet to figure it out, let me give you a clue on how the "ritual cursing" of an individual works. And yes, ritual cursing does work... Satanic Magic does work... but not because you stand in front of an altar, intone In Nomine De Nostri Satanas Luciferi Excelsi, or Hail Satan. These are strictly emotional window dressings; props.

And I'm sorry if I disappoint Paul for not being Satanic enough. I've read and reread my Satanic Bible probably more than he's read menus in a restaurant and have stood along side Anton LaVey at the altar. I think I pretty much know of what I speak.

Mike is right that coincidence plays a great part in Satanic Magic, especially when it involves interpersonal confrontations. Does it matter if the person who is the target of "your curse" believes it will work? No. And if you know your LaVey... he said it... he meant it... it sometimes works best if the person DOES NOT BELIEVE. Let me tell you why.

Now, if I tell you, "I CURSE YOU AND BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU," and you are a devout believer in these things, you may be scared. You may even look for someone else to cast a spell to protect you. In fact, that's what people who are devoutly convinced of malevolent magical power do. Witness a million "powerful witches and Romany Gypsy Princesses" who will remove your curse... just cross their palms with silver. Oh... and make sure you come back for the booster shot curse removal, because these things take time. And cross their palms with silver. And oh look! The egg is BAD. The evil egg scam will bring you back for more, because it's proof that the curse is still there, but your powerful witch can help. If you cross their palm with silver.

So did my curse work? Hell yes. I now have controlled your life, and while you may claim your silver-palmed witch or gypsy is now protecting you, you're still thinking about it. You're still thinking about ME. And every time something bad happens to you, it's obvious that it's MY CURSE.

OK. Same guy. Same curse. "I CURSE YOU AND BAD THINGS ARE GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU," but you scoff at me. I simply cross my arms, knit my brow contemplatively, nod my head and look at you with a scornful little smile. I don't even bother answering your questions or challenges, except to say, "It is done," as I turn my back on you and walk away.

Damn. You step in front off of the curb a day or so later and are almost hit by a car. You laugh. "Jake's curse almost got me! Fuck that shit." Damn. You receive a bill with a late payment notice and a threat to collect. You were sure you paid it! You laugh. "Jake's curse almost got me! Fuck that shit." Your wife fucks with you, your boss fucks with you, you have a bad night tossing and turning... a million reasons to see your life having routine, daily problems. Normal, EXCEPT, in the back of your mind, you remember. You were cursed. Would these things have happened if you HADN'T been cursed? Probably. Possibly. But even though you scream that you are a rational man, in the back of your mind is the thought. "Jake's curse almost got me! Fuck... that shit."

So did my curse work? Hell yes. I am now influencing your life, if only as a coincidental irritant. You're still thinking about ME. And every time something bad happens to you, it's another reminder of MY CURSE.

On the subject of other forms of Satanic ritual, Compassion and Lust, the ritual invocation is an exercise in what I like to call magical physics. It's pretty much like the statement about inertia, "An object at rest stays at rest unless acted upon." The mind, and indeed life are objects that can be subject to inertia. When allowed to remain in stasis, things pretty much "stay the same." That is the purpose of a Satanic ritual. It serves as the force to act upon life's inertia. It makes us MOVE. We start to do things that will affect our situation and bring our "magical" vision to come to pass, generally through a string of coincidences that will eventually bring us to a point of satisfaction with the situation. Sometimes this is quickly accomplished when we act upon our desires. Sometimes, it takes a bit more time and effort.

And that's the point. Satanic Magic works, but not simply because we will it and forget it. You also have to put in the legwork and effort. THAT TOO IS MAGIC. And one supports the other and indeed, act as the catalyst for success.
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#22245 - 03/19/09 03:55 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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What if they don't know about the curse? That little part wasn't covered.

Apparently, I should tell them that I've "cursed them" then? Or otherwise, I'm just happy because I got some tensions out.

Shit I've done has always worked... and maybe it's just 'cause I'm so damned sexy, so incredibly gifted, or I dressed well for the time and place...

I got the job.

I got the girl.

They suffered.

I will prove a future and some past point by saying... yes, I'm a badass with a good resume', I'm so damned sexy, and they had it coming - not just from me... 'cause they were truly deserving of bad times... they were hated.

I do "things" anyway... as a preparation? 'Cause I think my sigil works? To "right" some "wrong"? I might think I have a chance?

Ritual.

Good times, and shit gets done... I don't want to ask "why". If it works for you...................
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#22262 - 03/19/09 01:54 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: daevid777]
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Hmmm... going around telling your enemies that you cursed them would be kinda gay... unless they're superstitious morons.
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#22263 - 03/19/09 02:11 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: The Zebu]
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Knock knock knock.

"'Scuse me Joe, but I just wanted to tell you that I laid a curse on you. Nothing too serious, just some boils... maybe a roid or two. Oh... and your wife Amy? She's going to give you the clap."

"Damn, Fred. I knew you were pissed about something, but I really didn't know you were THAT pissed. But Amy giving me the clap... nice touch, man!"

"Thanks. I knew you would appreciate that. By the way, have you been cursing me? I've got this hangnail that has been oozing puss and well, you know, I seem to have gotten herpes."

"Yeah, well, sorry about that, Fred. But you know that what goes around comes around. And hey... that clap Amy's going to give me? She got it from your wife."
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#22270 - 03/19/09 03:40 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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As Jake said: only mentioning you have put a curse on that person or even saying you are going to do so/did so makes the "magic" work. It doesn't matter what pose you are taking, what ritual you are doing or even behave when doing so.. the magic will always "work" in some way.

It might even work in your eyes even if the person you put it on doesn't know. Why? You just wait 'till it takes effect.. sometimes a couple of days until something happens bad to the person, sometimes a week or a few weeks, even years afterwards to some.

It might have worked.. but in my opinion, people claiming they achieved putting a spell on someone without mentioning and the "bad thing" took place, are only deluded by their own mind.
Magic in the word of spells, mystic chants, curses, voodoo or any other superstitious doings are nothing more then deluding your or someone else's mind.

"Magic" is only delusion of a mind, be it your own or someone else's.


Edited by Dimitri (03/19/09 03:44 PM)
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#22285 - 03/19/09 09:28 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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Whatever grimoire you got that 'roid spell from, I WANT IT.

Seriously though, I agree with the previous post. I prefer not to let curses (or any other effects for that matter) out of the ritual chamber, since it's somewhat intimate and personal. But that's just me anyways.
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#22431 - 03/23/09 07:45 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: The Zebu]
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On another little note, I almost always get sick after cursing someone. It is usually a chest cold. Perhaps it is the universe's war of attrition, coming to even out the scales a little. I mean gee wiz, the guy did get hit by a frikkin car, for chrissakes. Whats a little snuffling and sneezing as form of recompense?

It is perfectly understandable also to not believe in magic if you can't do it. LaVey devotes a chapter to this in Satan Speaks, "How to Be A Sorcerer." (page 33) Seems like you can read all you want on the subject, memorize all the names of the gods and have the most fashionable altar in town, but if you don't have the magical wattage, fahhhh----geddaaabowdid.

I go to poetry readings around town. I have some reputation as a Satanic witch who can curse people, among other things. The lady who read after me went into a long tirade about how magic is bogus, it doesn't work, she tried it, etc. I really should have told her to read page 33. Poor dear probably had her heart set on dating Brad Pitt.

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#22503 - 03/25/09 02:03 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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In today's society we have the clever ones,
the ones who know how to manipulate the system.
They get away with this stuff, they are good at it.
From the standpoint of what is good and natural, they are wrong.
But we live in an abstract world,
a world of numbers and rules.
We live in a world of hair splitters
and computer jugglers
and welfare cheats.
Fraud has never been easier,
but we know they are guilty.
They are guilty but society does not provide punishment for such crimes.
Indeed, dealing out what these people so richly deserve is a crime.
And thus we are hobbled.
We are frustrated,
we are becoming psychotic,
we are about to go postal.
Yes, we are.
These subclinical infections are like rashes with no prescribed cure.
However, there is one solution.
It is the universal, eternal solution,
and that is fear.
Knowing how to produce, direct, and administer cold blooded, murderous fear
is the only way to get positive results
from the ones who know how to hide, how to harass, how to dance away like flies.
We must show them horror beyond their wildest fantasies.
We must make them see the truth.
When they observe their own entrails
flowing freely from their bellies,
and wrapping around their throats;
when they feel the urine leaking down their legs
and the blood mixing with their own excrement,
then they will understand;
and be enlightened.

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#22513 - 03/25/09 06:37 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Here is my cherished memory of throwing my first curse. I had recently acquired my first copy of the Satanic Bible. It was thrilling to read the chapters on how hypocritical religion was, on how people don't like to admit to how things really are or what they really want. Then, I read the rituals. With just three simple rituals, the doors of the candy store were now flung wide open. There was that cute slut who was bangin everybody but me, perhaps I could use the compassion spell for more money or something like that.
However, the immediate need arose from a person who was twice my size and seemed to really want to destroy me. There was no way I could take this monster on without a firearm.

So, the first Satanic ritual I ever performed was for destruction. It was sheer survival instinct. I drew my little baphomet on a bottle cap and used it for a medallion. I also drew a sigil. There were no black candles around, so I used white ones with black shoe polish. I assembled everything and at the stroke of midnite, I let it fly.

Some friend told me later that the dude was on the subway around midnite that same nite, and he got jumped by four dudes. They smashed his radio over his head and knocked his teeth out. Wow, I thought, this is really cool. I was always a scrawny runt back then, and a choice target for bullies. I was on to something. It worked on various other people for various other reasons.

Sometimes it didn't work, or at least not right away. But it does seem that the immediacy of the situation had something to do with it. In the ritual chamber it is about passion, immediacy.
It's not necessarily a calculating thing.

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#22664 - 03/28/09 11:53 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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There is a popular notion that to leave a miserable mark alone would be the best punishment. This person is wretched, and so it would be far more terrible to allow him/her/it to live. Unfortunately in some cases, the offending individual just can't stay out of your face. And so, it is just going to have to be one of those days when you grind this person up into powder and snort the bugger.
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#22677 - 03/29/09 01:29 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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you guys are all fools, sayeth I
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#22678 - 03/29/09 01:53 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: 97and107]
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 Originally Posted By: 97and107
you guys are all fools, sayeth I


Wow, what a well thought out, contributive post that isn't a one liner or spam at all. No, not even a little bit.

Bravo. You really made me think there..You really stated your case clearly and cogently..it would be very hard to argue against that level of wit and logic.


BRAVO!
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#22694 - 03/30/09 10:11 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Well, one doesn't have to say much to summarize what needs saying...

if you take a deeper look at the statement it makes sense and is a great deal more satisfying to anyone.

edit:

it was a statement of admiration! ha!


Edited by 97and107 (03/30/09 10:41 AM)
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#22720 - 03/31/09 03:33 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: 97and107]
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This needs to be kept on topic. No more one-liners and certainly no more prose.

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#22724 - 03/31/09 04:17 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Hatred is most definitely a very powerful emotion.Some unlike myself do not know how to control it.That is why there is prisons and consequenses.I personally prefer to call upon Satans subordinate beings to do my work for me.How can one such police officer arrest a cantation.
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#23190 - 04/10/09 11:44 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: SikPhil]
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Dunno man...I don't believe in 100% of anything. No absolutes. I have had experience of the supernatural/spiritual, but, given what I've experienced, I'm more inclined to lean toward it. I do believe magick works...but again, I do have that critical element there that says it's all in my head. So either way...well, I'd rather go out and fuck someone to be honest.
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#23306 - 04/14/09 03:36 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: EwanCS]
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There is always someone who gets in the way. Sometimes we can deal with it without too much drama. a few carefully placed and amplified words sometimes are rather effective. Other times nothing beats the good old practical joke, like the bucket of feces over the doorway. However, there are those nagging times when it seems that nothing you do will keep the memory of that hatred from coming back. You say to yourself, "eh, its not worth it. " You may even truly believe it. But comes a time and you find yourself stewing over this issue, this person, and what you would really like to do
to him/her/it.

And so, bust out page 149 of the Satanic Bible, get yer stuff out
and have yerself a time.....

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#23343 - 04/15/09 03:15 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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There are those who do not believe. They like to mock what they cannot obtain. That is their lot in life. I cannot be angry at them. They are like mice giggling at a leopard. I have caused extremely bad things to happen to many, many people. I have no remorse whatsoever. For a while I would bait people into making me hate them just so I could curse them and watch them suffer. Yes, I do enjoy watching others suffer. The power of what I do is intoxicating. I have also caused others to curse me just so I could feed off the energy of their curse. Perhaps I would get extremely sick, but afterwards I emerge more powerful than ever. You can call me insane, evil, whatever the hell you want. You can threaten me and we can go to war. I enjoy fighting. It is a great sport. Perhaps one day I will be killed. That would be a fantastic experience. Tear my head off and hang it on your wall.
I don't collect such trophies, but I assure you, if I did, my collection would be a mountain of skulls that reaches heaven and spits in the face of god. Am I evil? Yes I am. I am extremely evil.

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#23345 - 04/15/09 04:11 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Perhaps one of the things I enjoy the most is watching my enemy's face. The expression turns from mockery, haughtiness, and confidence to surprise, then fear, then desperation, and finally, agony and despair. There is nothing more satisfying than watching someone who mocked you turn into a pile of shit. Why else would I be so devoted to Satanism? I don't need to join any club. I am not fond of the hierarchies of human institutions. For the past thirty five years, my dog eared copy of the Satanic Bible remained a silent companion. Some of my fellow Satanists are perhaps rather perceptive folk. They approached me. Hmmmm, I wonder. What reason could they have in wanting me? To many, I appear to wallow in misery. Do they realize that I use this as a source of power to destroy? No, probably not. And some of these groups, what do they hope to gain from their magic? Peace and love for all mankind? What a joke. Make life better? That is insane. Life remains as it is.
Life is a vast tapestry of pain, pleasure, birth and death.
If you think that you can avoid the nasty bits, than you are severely mistaken. Indulgence indeed is my creed. I indulge in horror as well as ecstacy, agony as well as euphoria. And yes, I even welcome what many would call bone crushing boredom. The weak ones chew off tiny pieces, the sweet tender bits that their miniscule mouths and stomachs can handle without retching. I prefer to grab the whole thing, rip it to pieces while it writhes and screams, and devour the entire thing whole. I will suck the blood from the filthy grime splattered floor.


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#23346 - 04/15/09 06:41 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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There is one point Daevid highlighted and still not covered :

 Originally Posted By: Daevid777
What if they don't know about the curse? That little part wasn't covered.


I understand that there are those who believe that magic is nothing more than basic psychology and there are the others who believe there is a little bit more. Each is free to believe what he wants...


While reading this thread, some thoughts poped up in my mind :

 Originally Posted By: TSB

- It is during this "dream sleep" that the mind is most receptive to outside or unconscious influence.

- The super-logician will always explain the connection of the magical ritual to the end result as "coincidence".

- ... would be of sufficient force to place an idea in a group of people's heads half-way across the earth, in turn, motivating them in accordance with your will.


How are the super-logician Satanists coping with this ?

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#23350 - 04/15/09 12:03 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Fabiano]
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What if they don't know about the curse? It does not matter if they know or not. Sometimes the curse does its work the moment it is released, so unless you were intimidating this person with threats of a curse, he/she/it will have no clue. Curses work not only on the victim, but on "messengers" who carry out the design. For example, my very first curse (which I am rather proud of to this day) knocked my victim's teeth out. He did not punch himself repeatedly in the face. He was jumped by four assailants while traveling on the train. I never met these people before. Their minds were receptive at the time I threw the curse and they happened to be handy.

As far as the logical explanation for the reason why these curses work, I am interested insofar as to hone my skills. In magic, the elements combine with the will which is directed towards a result. There are ways to fine tune the components of the ritual
in order to increase power, be specific of the intended victim,
or orchestrate the working with specific instructions. For instance, I once threw a curse and specified the victim be run over by a car. The next day he showed me where the vehicle broke his ankle. I responded, "I warned you that something bad will happen to you if you mess with me."

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#23353 - 04/15/09 01:24 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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A friend of mine is a martial arts expert. He is capable of killing a man with his bare hands in a few seconds, indeed, within the blink of an eye. When he was learning, his teacher encouraged him to get into fights. He would dress like a dork and walk around the subways in New York, hoping someone would mug him. He worked in a cigarette store which also sold magazines. The adult section was a favorite haunt for shoplifters. As the thief left the store, my friend would leap over the counter and beat the man senseless.
He told me that he was experimenting with ways to bring a person as close to death as possible without actually killing them.

I am inspired by my friend in my pursuit of black magic. In order to achieve a level of proficiency, one must practice. A curse won't work if there isn't proper justification for it. And so, I also take risks in finding suitable targets. It is fun, it is rewarding, and it is oh, so practical.

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#24368 - 05/10/09 03:14 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Morbid Rex]
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I have hexed some purposefully cruel people before. I actually just hexed two people but I had no way to prove whether or not it had been effective. What I wanted to mention was that you can negatively charge a substance with potent force and it will work.
I never really went beyond that one time, because I didn't want to bring negativity to myself and others around me. The hex turned backwards perhaps because I wasn't really that focused enough.
I made a clay voodoo doll and stabbed it with pins then put the clay away. Then I had feelings of being poked when half asleep...I dunno it could have been psychological. You never know what will happen. But the targets completely left me alone afterward.

I don't know enough about Satanic Magic.
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#24603 - 05/14/09 10:04 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Gabby]
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The balance factor is an important component to learn. In the opening scene of THE GODFATHER, a man asks the don to kill the men who raped his daughter. "But your daughter is still alive, she is not dead..." responds the Don. There are different cursing enochian keys, the most extreme being the tenth. Rampant violence is tempting, but not always called for. Perhaps a call for justice is better used. There is always the risk that a person you curse is capable of cursing you right back. You can both emerge bloodied and scarred. Human beings do seem to enjoy bashing away at each other. Sometimes it is only because they are bored.
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#24655 - 05/16/09 05:36 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Destructions rituals/all rituals. ie.(shooters & targets)

I'll start out by stating "our" kind. Satanist, tend to be more intelligent, rational, & more likely to shape our environment to suit us, rather then tax us, then most "sheeple". (run on, can't help it)

"We" don't invite drama, nor do we seek out thous that do. And when things happen in our lives, that merit a D.R., 9 out 10 times it's by some professional, world class ASSHOLE. (WCAs)

Thees people, (WCAs) & their "Fuck you & hooray for me!" attitudes don't usually stop with us, they seem to eventually piss off every one they come in contact with. Even with their "friends" they're more tolerated, then liked. Thees fuckers make for easy targets, with a high chance of success rate.

The success I've had with D.R.s fell upon the littlest of things. Phone calls not getting made to say "hey, so&so is looking for you, & he sounds pissed off." or "by the way, this batch is a lil stronger then the last one". Just little shit that mite have saved them, had some-one cared enough to take 1 minute to "look out' for them.

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#25285 - 06/03/09 12:12 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: OG MUPPET]
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The more people try to label satanists, group them, predict their
behavior, the more they fail. satanists are myriad personalities.
I am a vain and vindictive son of a bitch. Sometimes I invite people to mess with me so that I can curse them. I like cursing people. It is fun. People do kill each other out of sheer boredom.
It is rather foolish to project one's own value system on others.
LaVey knew this. Obviously, some of his followers do not.

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#25289 - 06/03/09 03:33 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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I used to intentionally go out looking for fights. I liked fighting, I don't know why, but I did know that everyone had a line and I got damn good at crossing it. Eventually I grew out of it as violence for the sake of violence got rather boring. Not to mention the fact that no one likes an asshole, or getting charged with assault.

I have no need to "throw curses"; should someone be in dire need of an ass bruising I will dispense it with a smile on my face. Somethings just aren't worth the effort anymore though. "Don't sweat the petty shit, pet the sweaty shit."

It seems like it would take too much time and energy to perform a destruction ritual. No, I am not talking about "energy" as like some supernatural force, but the energy I could be using to go fishing or shoot a game of pool or have sex.

As far as LaVey being against one projecting their value systems onto others, I would disagree.

"When walking in open territory bother no one. If someone bothers you ask them to stop, if they do not, destroy them."

sure sounds like a projection of values to me.
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#27216 - 07/18/09 07:51 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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While many of my questions on magic were answered in TSB, there are a few that remain a bit foggy as to what magic actually is. Upon reading the process of the destruction ritual, I got the impression that it is simply used to take out ones anger and hatred on an individual by proxy (dolls, pictures, etc.) But then the book states that the best time to perform the ritual is at night or whenever the victim is less alert or sleeping. Does this mean that magic is a tangible force that actually exists outside of ones mind? Why would it matter what time of day it is or what the victim is doing?
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#27224 - 07/18/09 04:50 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Tranceparent Sky]
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Psychodrama. Your environment is just as important as your intentions. Performing a destructive ritual in a field full of lovely flowers and beautiful butterflies could never cause the same emotional response as say performing one in a dark creepy cemetary surrounded by dead folk could, no matter how sincere your rage may be.

As far as the legitimacy of magic goes...does it work? Maybe, Lavey certainly seemed to believe in it. There's that curiosity involving Jayne Mansfield. For the most part I see the Destruction Ritual as a non-threatening and legal way of unleashing your anger onto your intended victim, and if it actually has an effect then GREAT! Either way you win in the end whether it's by simply getting out negative emotions or sending your wrongdoer to their demise.
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#27629 - 07/28/09 03:59 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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I have been reading up on hexing and cursing, i am quite comfortable with my reasons to use such a method, but i havent been able to find anything trustworthy of casting, are there any suggestions as of what to study? Everything is too false anymore, too much false knowledge going on these days. Can any of you help me out, and if you have any suggestions, send it in a private message please. shemhamforash!
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#27671 - 07/29/09 12:37 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Domonic]
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^ Do you not have a copy of The Satanic Bible?

The destruction ritual is spelled out for you there.
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#27681 - 07/29/09 02:12 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Tranceparent Sky]
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 Originally Posted By: Tranceparent Sky
While many of my questions on magic were answered in TSB, there are a few that remain a bit foggy as to what magic actually is. Upon reading the process of the destruction ritual, I got the impression that it is simply used to take out ones anger and hatred on an individual by proxy (dolls, pictures, etc.) But then the book states that the best time to perform the ritual is at night or whenever the victim is less alert or sleeping. Does this mean that magic is a tangible force that actually exists outside of ones mind? Why would it matter what time of day it is or what the victim is doing?


Honestly I think much of Antons works such as TSB, The satanic witch and Satanic ritual was writen back with LaVey beleived in a literal Satan and the true aspect of magick then later when he commercialized and changed the focus of the CoS he just took what he originally wrote and practiced and put it in with what he was recently trying to protray rather then just rewriting everything and felt no one would give it much thought. So when you see how he talks about it all being Pychodrama then him describing the elements of successful magick it was just a merger of the two different points of his life.

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#27686 - 07/29/09 02:58 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: bluj666]
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The satanic witch and Satanic ritual was writen back with LaVey beleived in a literal Satan.......


Could you point me to any of his statements, where he claims to believe, or has ever believed in Satan, as a literal being?
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#27688 - 07/29/09 03:16 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Asmedious]
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well if you read between the lines and note the way in which LaVey address satan and speak of him you can see glipses that could be preceived as such and draw conclusions based on that. But based on what was said by the original members of the CoS that were at the high ranking level of membership, that LaVey did beleive in a literal satan and the effects of magick, one of these people being a member of this site. Memebers of LeVays family have also made claims that what Anton told general public and the lower level members of the CoS and what he actually practiced and discussed with the higher levels of the CoS were two different things, one of whom is Stanton LeVay.
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#27925 - 08/05/09 03:55 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Interesting thread. Lot of brainpower being exercised here.

I will tell you a story about a one-sided conversation.

In 1971 Anton LaVey visited me in Louisville, at which time he asked me to do a Lovecraft introduction & ritual for his Satanic Rituals. One day we were having lunch at the Fort Knox Officers Club, tossing this around, and I said [paraphrasing all the following], "The three rituals in the Satanic Bible are all operative, but it looks like this book is going to be completely illustrative." He responded with the ASLV grin, which meant that I'd missed something, been a roob.

I thought, then said, "O.K., the new stuff is all illustrative, so I'm off-base on the old ... it's illustrative too." He nodded, waited for me to go on.

"So it doesn't affect the object, just the subject emotionally and psychodramatically. But Satanism also means getting your way, getting even, controlling situations in a very real sense, so that means that the operative is all in the LBM side of things." He nodded again; I was back on frequency.

He went on to say, quite reasonably, that the SB rituals were superficially misleading in that way because he had no control over who would buy his book, and he didn't want immature or impulsive readers actually harming others because of LBM techniques the book suggested. Which of course might also subject him to liability. So he stayed with the feelgood harmless psychodramas, same as in the original Friday night Church meetings at 6114 California Street.

This opens the dark door of LBM where magical operations involving others are concerned. What this means is that you are first assuming the perspective, the wisdom, and the ethics to pass judgment in a situation; then you use your LBM skills and tools to make your judgment happen.

You can see the problems here. The tendency is to resort to magic when normal social methods of rectification aren't satisfactory. Social laws covering things harmful to others generally don't reach into LBM methodology, because most people don't understand it, don't believe it exists.

So if you the Satanist gets good with the skills and the tools, but not with the ethics, you can all too easily wind up a Mr. Hyde. And that is not good for you, not to mention those "judged" by Hyde along the way.

This is why the LBM chapter in the Temple of Set's introductory Crystal Tablet of Set spends as much time on ethics as on LBM.

For Black Magicians starting out in the area of LBM, I generally recommend stage magic and martial arts. The former because it is excellent training in how to sense, control, and change the perceptions and moods of others, in a way that is both harmless and entertaining [including to yourself]. Most people don't know that Anton was among other things a well-studied and accomplished stage magician, and used these skills to great and usually unsuspected effect in many Church and nonChurch situations.

The latter not so you can beat up people wantonly, but more like Caine, so that you can be untouchable, invisible, and immune to coarse, profane attacks attempted against you. The best martial artists insist upon your state of mind first, your fists and feet second. As with stage magic, you come to sense, evaluate, and adjust situations before others have any idea what's going on.

LBM in greater depth leads in directions such as one of my professional fields, Psychological Operations (PSYOP), mind control, etc. Most of that in nonmagical application is very superficial, very amateur; and for ordinary people that is right where it should stay. When it has gone beyond that, as in the well-known examples of Nazi Germany and MK-ULTRA, it has been Mr. Hyde in extremely out-of-control and seriously damaging ways. Don't go there, Grasshopper.

I think the best SB-mode curse ritual was Chef's explosion upon returning to the boat in Apocalypse Now. Good DRs are, you know, "spontaneous and heartfelt".
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#28028 - 08/07/09 12:47 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I do see the dangers in becoming a Mr. Hyde, Michael. The universe has this uncanny way of balancing itself. Since there is a great deal of energy required to perform GBM, I tend to refrain from using it unless absolutely necessary. There are times, however when I found myself in extremely dire circumstances, literally surrounded by enemies. I had to make examples of people just to protect my own hide. (Hyde). There is a giddiness that accompanies warfare, punch drunkeness if you may call it that. These are life and death struggles I am talking about. Perhaps there is a cooling down period required after taking such measures.
It has also been my experience to have had to curse someone who was not defenseless. I saw the black morass of my opponents curse take form as I was just about to emerge from a dream. I was very ill for a long time afterwards.
After a long debate with myself, I decided that I would have to change my lifestyle and become less obtrusive in this world. Making myself an easy target is just not a good idea. I must learn defense as well as attack.
According to the ART OF WAR by Sun Tsu, defense means digging in deep, merging with the shadows, becoming invisible, unpredictable. Life is a struggle, it is eating and avoiding being eaten.
An army simply cannot remain in the field indefinitely. Eventually, its momentum will depreciate and its supplies will become exhausted. Those who are too keen to fight will discover that they have become an easy meal for those who are better prepared and fully rested.

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#28186 - 08/09/09 04:59 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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I don't regret any of the misfortunes that have befallen people I've cursed. I would rather do it with magic than having to switch to manual. Then things would get really untidy, wouldn't they?
I also employ psychological warfare as a form of LBM. It's the results that count, eh?


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#28338 - 08/12/09 11:56 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Paul]
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 Originally Posted By: Paul
But ritual magic works. It is a latent mechanism inherent to all life. Look around you. Every corner of the globe has it's own version. People isolated by mountains, oceans & ice all have the same belief. Yet you all think you are above it all and that is why I have decided to move on. No offence.

Re-read TSB, LaVey hinted at it, he told you it was real. The clues are there if you care to look. Ask yourself why TSR are so irrelevant.


Hint, hell. He was explicit about it. The Books of Belial and Leviathan are devoted to the subject, and he gave great advice about the best times for a psychic attack (for example). LaVey, at least in print, was a promoter of ritual magic as a means of getting what you want.

Now, what he might have said in person to his confidants, I don't know. What he might have privately believed, I don't know.

Does ritual magic work? Yes. I can attest that it does. Does it work directly... by affecting the target... or indirectly by affecting the Self... I suspect a little of both.

You don't need Spooks in the Sky or demons or fairies or any of that nonsense. There's a great universe full of mystery to tap, close enough to deity that you couldn't tell the differencce, and a dark undercurrent to it all. Make friends with that... don't fear it or worship it... but align yourself with it, and you'll be surprised at the results.

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#28502 - 08/16/09 01:59 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Mr Chips]
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There are things that defy so called "conventional wisdom". Ritual magic is one of them. Despite what the school system or other institutions try to offer as the final word, magic is very real, and yes, is practiced in many different forms all over the world. It is striking that these magical systems have so many similarities. The presence of earth, air, fire and water, bells, books, candles, incantations and dance are just a few of these similarities. I have traced the practice of ritual magic in my own family. I have ancestors who were tribal indigenous peoples from the Carribbean. They practiced magic before Voudon was brought from Africa. These rituals were done before going into battle with rival tribes. Just about every one of life's key activities had some kind of magical spell to help move things along. I live it and breathe it every single day. It is a part of me just as much as my arms or legs. Let the religionists and the gladys kravitzes scoff, wag their heads, and tremble while I laugh at their puny, dessicated existences.
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#28505 - 08/16/09 07:13 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Awe! So true... No matter what anyone says, spirit is more real than the mere physical things to be seen or the pshycological ego babble that gets past of as spirituality. Magic works and is 2 found in all cultures, all religions, all spirituality...Damm! Its a part of being a human being, we are born in and with magic. Its in us, its around us, its everywhere!
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#28840 - 08/23/09 03:46 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: bluj666]
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 Originally Posted By: bluj666
well if you read between the lines and note the way in which LaVey address satan and speak of him you can see glipses that could be preceived as such and draw conclusions based on that.


Actually, from what I've read, Dr. Lavey perceived Satan as a symbolic figure thus referring to him as a metaphorical existance. Satan is an incarnation of human nature, not a literal being. It's stated clearly in the book, so I have no idea where the fuck you got this conclusion. Care to elaborate?


Edited by Tranceparent Sky (08/23/09 03:48 PM)
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#29093 - 08/31/09 10:51 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Tranceparent Sky]
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I love using destruction spells on people who I am so in anger with (rather than in love) that I can't get them off my mind. I find satisfaction in thinking of the harm that shall be accomplished on my enemy through the ritual. But most importantly, doing this type of ritual makes me get them get out of my head. I call it "banishing them from my mind", in simpler terms. Its feels a lot better to have this psychological release and I highly suggest getting a little black book to fill with names of people that make you angry. Add some hexes, sigils, art etc to their name and have fun destroying them.

Edited by Volvagia (08/31/09 10:52 PM)
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#29155 - 09/02/09 03:17 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Volvagia]
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I prefer fucking them up for real, mentally or physically when possible. But whenever the need arises, I use destruction rituals as a last resort. To be honest, I've only used them a handful of times. Turning to a ritual every time you get pissed instead of dealing with the actual problem is unproductive. I could almost see someone in their chamber every fifteen minutes whenever they don't get their way. Like prayer, you won't change anything without acting. Positive action equals results.

Just my opinion.
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#30966 - 10/29/09 11:26 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Tranceparent Sky]
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I am rather disgusted with people who, after learning that I am capable of hexing people would like me to hex someone for them. These same self righteous types don't really want to get to know me as a person, but they want me to be some kind of Satanic hitman for them. I try to explain to them that it doesn't work that way. If I have no real stake in the matter, it 's just not going to work. Not even if they paid me money. This is not just for destruction rituals, but for lust or compassion. I just say, look, if you are really interested, just get the Satanic Bible and try it for yourself. I do realize, of course, that not everyone has magical ability. As a matter of fact, it is kind of rare. I could be tempted to fleece these people for every dime they have. I'm just not that sort or person.
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#31032 - 10/31/09 11:43 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
I am rather disgusted with people who, after learning that I am capable of hexing people would like me to hex someone for them. These same self righteous types don't really want to get to know me as a person, but they want me to be some kind of Satanic hitman for them. I try to explain to them that it doesn't work that way. If I have no real stake in the matter, it 's just not going to work. Not even if they paid me money. This is not just for destruction rituals, but for lust or compassion. I just say, look, if you are really interested, just get the Satanic bible and try it for yourself. I do realize, of course, that not everyone has magical ability. As a matter of fact, it is kind of rare. I could be tempted to fleece these people for every dime they have. I'm just not that sort or person.


They're really no different or less idiotic than the Wiccans; they want to play the Devil's game, yet at the same time deny His name. Keep their own hands clean, in a manner of speaking.
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#31044 - 10/31/09 03:18 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Gemini]
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I f I throw a curse at someone and they die, or something bad happens to them, sometimes the universe exacts a form of payment.
I was inspired by the words of the Satanic Bible that say, essentially, if someone smacks you, then smash them utterly, tenfold, a hundred fold. Ok, maybe in some circumstances the person may not deserve to die, but they drop dead anyway. I could wind up getting sick for months. Maybe I am not affected, but someone else may get some of the negative energy of the curse who isn't necessarily directly involved. Like throwing a grenade, it's not always pinpoint accuracy. I may have pointed this out before, but the movie the Godfather illustrates this rather well. When the mortician wants Don Corleone to wack the guys who raped his daughter, Corleone replies, "But your daughter is still alive." He tells his men to exercize restraint in handling the matter. "We aren't killers, regardless of what this undertaker thinks."

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#31061 - 10/31/09 10:24 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Many years ago I was romantically involved with a self-styled "black magician" who confused abusing the support offered him by other people with self-sufficiency. My patience and devotion (oh, dear) reached breaking point after one final personal insult and his subsequent removal into the arms of another mug - someone who had also abused my hospitality very badly.
Well . . . one psychodrama and commenncing 24 hours later . . .
The squat they were living in was invaded by desperate crackheads and their pitiful belongings stolen. Then it was over-run by rats, who brought their fleas along with them. A dog brought in to scare off the rats turned on them and bit them. First the electricity, then the gas and finally the water supply was cut off. Then they were evicted as the place was due for demolition. Having no fixed address they couldn't claim state benefits and were forced to beg food and baths off friends (yes, there were still some gullible enough to take on that role). Eventually they were left rudderless and in serious trouble with an occult society which had tolerated their membership way beyond the call of duty or even politeness.
Still, I'd bump into them from time to time and be on the receiving end of dark murmurings and silly hand gestures, obviously meant to dispel a curse or some such.
One day I was strolling along minding my own business when the man appeared, weaving his way through town, oblivious to anyone and everything but himself, as usual. A white-hot anger swelled up in me like bile and I remember clearly thinking, "Just GO". A split-second later, with the precision of a dancer he stepped in front of a moving bus. A woman screamed, a small crowd began to gather and someone called an ambulance. I carried on walking.
He's still alive, busy being a High Priest of Something-or-Other with a metal plate in his head and another human support system in place.
The best thing about those you smite surviving is telling stories about them like this on the internet. And knowing that you will still recognise them but they won't have a clue who you are.
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#31169 - 11/03/09 06:58 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: felixgarnet]
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What really motivates people? Is it love? respect? Yes, perhaps these things can get people to do things, if they happen to be in the mood. But, what if you really needed something and they just don't happen to be conveniently disposed at the moment? The answer of course, is fear. People will suddenly become energetic, enthusiastic and cooperative when faced with an alternative that is
painful. Of course, people don't like to admit this. Its sort of the same when some peace loving junkie doesn't cop to the fact that the heroin flowing in his veins may have cost several people their lives.

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#31461 - 11/09/09 04:26 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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The thing is with any ritual or magickal work there has to be the mental emotion behind it.


If you do not believe it will work it won't, or vice versa.

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#31466 - 11/09/09 04:58 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Choronzon333]
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 Originally Posted By: Choronzon333
If you do not believe it will work it won't, or vice versa.


I grow so tired of hearing that cliche statement. Just believing something doesn't make it so.

That is no different than saying if you believe in Jesus you will be saved nd if you don't believe in Jesus you won't be saved. Ultimately it comes down to a matter of faith because you are asked to believe despite a lack of proof or good reason to believe.

If the purpose of ritual magic is really just a form of therapy there is no need to believe anything. Either it works for you or it doesn't.
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#31492 - 11/09/09 07:45 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
 Originally Posted By: Choronzon333
If you do not believe it will work it won't, or vice versa.


I grow so tired of hearing that cliche statement. Just believing something doesn't make it so.

I agree 100 percent. The statement only gives an excuse in case the working doesn’t go as planned. I would have to dig out my copy but I believe LaVey parroted such a statement about lesser magic in his little black book.

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
That is no different than saying if you believe in Jesus you will be saved and if you don't believe in Jesus you won't be saved. Ultimately it comes down to a matter of faith because you are asked to believe despite a lack of proof or good reason to believe.

This is why I believe prayer, magic, and witchcraft to work on the same principles. The working is not in the real world it is in your head. Only faith in the fantastical can make you believe your thoughts not actions changed anything. The biggest assholes in my high school years are all dead most only a year or two after graduation. What a powerful magician I must have been. \:\)

 Originally Posted By: 6Satan6Archist6
If the purpose of ritual magic is really just a form of therapy there is no need to believe anything. Either it works for you or it doesn't.

But then we have those who actually believe that their ritual did have influence over another in real life. I have asked before in this very thread why is it that a Satanist is inclined to question everything, yet when it comes to anything gained through ritual one is not to question why. Is it simply that the rational mind will realize after examination that such coincidences being just that, will dispel all claims of fantastical powers through prayer, magic, or spells? Be it therapy or not shouldn’t one always try to understand the what’s and why’s if something works or fails for them?

Again I understand the use of ritual by rational beings as a way to program or deprogram your mind. I have also realized that myself I have no need to ritualize destruction on those who do me wrong. I tend to visualize those individuals dying in some brutal way effectively killing them in my head. This effectively lets me forget my hatred for them and allows me to focus on being productive killing any need to perform a ritual as well.

I can put some belief behind lesser magic as that is nothing but knowing how humans react to certain things and thus using these reactions to your advantage, but greater magic?

Once someone starts to think their rituals affect any but themselves, they have nothing to say about those who believe in prayer, witchcraft, or any other fantastical claims.

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#31494 - 11/09/09 08:11 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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I agree with you 100% I have never had the need to perform any rituals. I deal with things in my own way. Listening to music, shooting, masturbation, sex and others are all good ways I find to relieve stress and other things in my life that bother me.

I too believe in "Lesser Magic" because it is nothing more than applied psychology; manipulation of the minds of others to get what you want.
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#32021 - 11/20/09 10:12 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Well, there is no way of proving beyond a doubt that these rituals work, aside from perhaps alleviating one's own pent up feelings of hatred, is there? Imagine in this day and age someone being dragged into court on murder charges, the only evidence being that
the defendant was into black magic and threw a curse. Any prosecutor would simply say there is no physical evidence whatsoever and refuse to waste the taxpayer's money on such nonsense. It is interesting, however, that so many cultures from around the world have their own brand of magical rituals.

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#36498 - 03/15/10 08:54 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Well, whaddya know, here we go again. Somebody has just made me really, really mad. They are so good at getting away with it, manipulating the system, coming out so innocent looking, making me look like the bad guy WHEN IT WAS I WHO WAS ROBBED, WHO LOST MONEY, WHO FEELS CHEATED AND ABUSED. I am really, really very angry today. Tonite I will gather my artifacts. I will fashion a likeness of this person. I will light the candles, say the words, call the names, drink from the chalice and pour out my rage. I will use the tenth enochian call, the seventeenth, the twelfth.
Hell, I wish the sun would go down faster I am so damned angry.
After the ritual is over, this person will cease to exist to me.
I can go back to being creative. If this person dies, great. If something really bad happens, terrific. If nothing happens, well at least I have vented and now can move on. Life is short. Too short to be wasting time with morons. The ritual takes only a few minutes. Better than carrying all that hate around with me and making my life even more miserable from thinking about this asshole.

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#36502 - 03/15/10 11:28 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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They are so good at getting away with it, manipulating the system, coming out so innocent looking, making me look like the bad guy WHEN IT WAS I WHO WAS ROBBED, WHO LOST MONEY, WHO FEELS CHEATED AND ABUSED.

Sounds like you got your ass handed to you by an adept at lesser magic. Maybe you should have taken notes?
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#36582 - 03/16/10 02:44 PM Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Dan_Dread]
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O.K. then ...

Look, Anton wrote the Satanic Bible knowing full well that it was going to be bought by every teenage clod at the corner drugstore bookrack. Therefore the "destruction ritual" was designed so that no one would or could actually get hurt from or by it, get it?

If you're a real Satanist with all of the savvy and smarts that this requires (which is A LOT), then if you want to go after someone, you fucking do it. But, like Uncle Duke said in Doonesbury when lecturing about psychedelic drug abuse, "This is no place for amateurs."

Go to http://www.amazon.com, select the "Books" category, and do a search for the term "gaslighting".
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#36599 - 03/16/10 06:05 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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LOL! Been a long time since I heard the term "gaslighting." Maybe we need to gather someplace suitably "satanic" and have a Satanic Film Fest. After all, "A picture is worth a thousand words."

Let me address something that it seems people have some misconceptions about. That you need to rush into your intellectual decompression chamber, get suitably decompressed to have someone become suitably impressed by your destruction rituals.
People seem to think that LaVey spent most of his time, standing in front of an altar, waving swords and demanding the destruction of him or her or it.

EARLY on in my association with Dr. LaVey, I received a call to meet him at an address I had never heard before... it was in the hills on Pacheco. It was a foggy San Franciscan night (are there any others?) and I drove up the unfamiliar roads until I came to the address. It was DARK. I mean DARK! No lights could be seen from the windows, and the only thing marking the place as habitable was a light bluegreen glow of the doorbell. So I made my way to it and sure enough, when I pressed the button, I was greeted by Diane in a tight red skirt and silky white blouse. She smiled, said it was good to see me and led me in.

Once inside, I was struck by how DIFFERENT this place was than any other place I had ever seen. The home was octagonal and rested on the side of the hill, overlooking a huge electrical power tower that in the darkness appeared to be a giant horned creature in the distance. The thick fog seemed to magically stop at the level of the decking, and I commented on how it looked as if you could walk on top of it, through the sliding glass doors. Diane told me, "And off into a 40 foot drop to the ground below."

The walls were made of vertical "blonde wood strips," quite expensive and quite tasteful, all around the upper level of the octagon, broken only by two adornments, being a massive (if memory serves full sized) gleaming brass elephant head and, near the contemporary furniture in the conversation area, a large Baphomet wall plaque. On the coffee table were The Satanic Bible and The Compleat Witch.

I won't go into the rest of the house, although I can tell you, it was in a word, GORGEOUS.

We sat and spoke for a long time, drinking wine and nibbling on sharp cheddar and tasty crackers and apple slices. The conversation went from ECI to The Law of the Forbidden to getting laughs from some of the early televangelists of the day, and in particular, one pyramid obsessed "send me your money" huckster named Dr. Gene Scott. At one point, we were discussing the idea that religions come from some seemingly unreligious sparks, and how McDonald's had its own rituals and litanies that could be "devotional" under the right circumstances.

I looked around at the contemporary... hell, even today, the only word I can come up with that applies is "splendor"... of this place and asked, "Dr. LaVey, do you ever conduct rituals here?" He took a sip of wine, Lady Diane smiled and the world lit up around her, and he said, "Yes, Jake. But you wouldn't know the words. But you will."

Lesson 1. "Magic is magic from the moment the idea forms in the mind of the magician." If you NEED the trappings of a ritual chamber, you use them. They are a tool. If you DON'T need the trappings of a ritual chamber, don't use them. That tool might not be right for this particular job. KNOW the difference.

Even in the Black House, we didn't spend our time in the Ritual Chamber. Our world WAS a ritual chamber. It still is. I might work my ritual of destruction against someone by swinging my sword and calling the key, or I MIGHT buy out the person's debt on their home and wait for the right time and circumstance to foreclose, or I might break his jaw. The choice of tool is mine. The element of control is mine. The channeling of rage into constructive destruction is mine.

And only I know when or if I will pull that trigger. Tools are at their most effective when used properly and sparingly. Craftsmanship takes time in the formulation of Lesser AND Greater magic. Whether it's "Vengeance is a dish best served cold," or "the best revenge is in living well," vengeance IS MINE. The moment of formation is already passed and it's pretty much a done deal, save for what emotional impact I might choose ritually. And make no mistake. Signing on the dotted line to control a situation is as satisfying as swinging a sword... although a punch to the jaw has joys all its own.

You might not recognize the words. Doesn't mean they aren't valid.
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#36602 - 03/16/10 06:10 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
O.K. then ...

Look, Anton wrote the Satanic Bible knowing full well that it was going to be bought by every teenage clod at the corner drugstore bookrack. Therefore the "destruction ritual" was designed so that no one would or could actually get hurt from or by it, get it?


True! And this isn't something "new" or "deceptive." Even in the ancient musty dusties of magical ritual and up to and including some of the iconic "magical societies," it was common to leave out a specific part of a ritual, and that piece of the ritual would be known by those who needed to know it. It was a key/lock type of situation. In essence, "I'll tell you where the treasure IS... it's there and ready for you to take it... when YOU are ready to receive it."

LaVey was simply not handing a loaded weapons to children.
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#36608 - 03/16/10 08:32 PM Gardens of the 13th Æthyr [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
Let me address something that it seems people have some misconceptions about ...You might not recognize the words. Doesn't mean they aren't valid.

Expertly, elegantly, and exquisitely said, Jake.

I'm going to bring the initiatory degree system into this:

The II° (Witch/Warlock CoS, Adept ToS) recognizes that the individual has acquired and become sufficiently skilled with magical tools to enter that environment (aka "universe", "ritual chamber") when, where, and as desired. But his/her normal mode of existence, thought, and behavior remains in the "Objective Universe".

[The III°, being the Priesthood, is not directly pertinent here.]

The IV° (Master) recognizes that the individual has successfully come to exist in an intrinsically magical mode of consciousness, awareness, and expression. At this level, one's OU surroundings are only incidentally necessary and conveniently useful. The Master generates his own Subjective Universe (SU) around him/her, and it is so potent that others can sense it, share in it to the extent of their capacity.

In the case of Jake's example here, I think he would agree with me that while this octagonal house reflected and amplified Anton's SU in one striking way, had the three of them taken a stroll down some anonymous street out in the Richmond, visited the Aquarium, or patronized some strange little restaurant, that SU would have magically enriched any of those just as pervasively. And I am not talking here about just the pleasure of his company, but rather about the heightened sensitivity to surroundings and their significance which one experienced. And it is the same, in uniquely-personal ways, with every IV°.

This phenomenon is not exclusive to formal initiation, of course; we all know many Masters [in this sense of the concept] who create, sustain, and share powerful SUs in any number of fields or environments. And it is always a pleasure, a privilege, and an educational thrill to bask in them.
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#36609 - 03/16/10 08:46 PM Re: Gardens of the 13th Æthyr [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

In the case of Jake's example here, I think he would agree with me that while this octagonal house reflected and amplified Anton's SU in one striking way, had the three of them taken a stroll down some anonymous street out in the Richmond, visited the Aquarium, or patronized some strange little restaurant, that SU would have magically enriched any of those just as pervasively. And I am not talking here about just the pleasure of his company, but rather about the heightened sensitivity to surroundings and their significance which one experienced. And it is the same, in uniquely-personal ways, with every IV°.


DEFINITELY. The "magic" was a movable feast of which many partook... they didn't even know it on a conscious level. It was amazing to be in and of the catalyst for change that we could be just BY being and being in the moment. Hard to put it any other way, and I know it's hard to conceptualize if you haven't been a part of it.
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#37048 - 03/26/10 09:23 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: 97and107]
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 Originally Posted By: 97and107
you guys are all fools, sayeth I


Okay, before you posted in this thread I saw three different opinions espoused concerning curses:
1) Curses concretely affect reality; cursing someone will cause them to be harmed.
(e.g. satansfarm)
2) Curses are psychologically satisfying and a way of purging negative emotions, but do not affect reality directly.
(e.g. 6Satan6Archist6)
3) Rituals are basically extraneous, just get vengeance in reality and skip the abracadabra.
(e.g. blsk)

That’s just about every conceivable umbrella position on the matter I can think of. So if all of these myriad positions appear foolish to you, please let us know, what is this ingenious fourth position that hasn’t yet occurred to all the “fools” here?

If you don’t even elaborate on why you think something’s foolish or what the alternative is, all you’ve succeeded in doing is flipping the bird at a crowd. If you haven’t got anything of substance to contribute to a conversation, why say anything at all?
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#37069 - 03/26/10 09:18 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I think you are quite a bit late.

She posted that LAST YEAR.....

So, of all the conversation on this thread, you decide to respond to something from last year from a member who hasn't been active or posting in a while.

Interesting........

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Edited by Morgan (03/26/10 09:20 PM)
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#37166 - 03/31/10 01:53 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Morgan]
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My mistake. I saw that the topic was still active, but I didn't realize how far back it went. :P
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#37406 - 04/06/10 02:49 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Yes, that is correct. A person who has no other talent except being a psychic vampire stuck it in and sucked for all he's worth.
The world is full of people like this. He's an avowed christian by the way. It's not good to tell people you are a Satanist, because right away, that makes you a target. There are many more self righteous christians out there who can't wait to make an example of any one who is left hand path. There are lots of snooty wiccan witches who look down on satanists also. There are also plenty of satanists who will offer no help. You walk this path, you are alone. There are plenty of people here who despise me. Well I guess everyone will just have to wait their turn. THERE WILL BE PEACE WHEN MY ENEMIES ARE DEAD.

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#37408 - 04/06/10 03:23 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Well, maybe the Satanic Bible was clipped a little so that these rituals wouldn't work, but by golly gee wiz when I was a teenage brat and I used it to curse someone, hell if it didn't knock the bastard's teeth out. I was really, really happy. I was a dweeby, skinny runt and bullies were a sad yet integral part of my life. I was the typical geek, good grades, straight A student. Awkward and shy, I couldn't get laid to save my life. Still, I was talented enough to get a shot at a good opportunity. People were jealous of me. I was often insulted or demeaned by others who could not fill the position because they simply did not qualify. When it comes to business, success often insures that you will have enemies. If you have something of value, there is always someone who will try to take it from you. One way of discouraging your detractors is by choosing one and making an example of them. It doesn't have to be through magical means.
When this person is subdued, you loudly proclaim to the others,
SEE WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS GUY? IF YOU DONT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOU, I SUGGEST YOU BACK UP. GO FIND SOMEONE ELSE TO PREY UPON. Human beings are not the civilized, peace loving creatures they claim to be. When there is a real opportunity, the animals
come out for real. Might makes right, and the victorious write the history. The vanquished suffer. This is how it is.

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#37423 - 04/06/10 10:04 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Interesting to note that LaVey felt that the destruction ritual was the more preferred ritual to perform in a group environment.
Rage was easier to display than tears for the compassion ritual or the masturbatory overtones of the lust ritual. Perhaps this is why Satanists do seem to bash at each other so much. Just a casual observation.

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#37490 - 04/10/10 08:34 AM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Dr. Aquino. This is very interesting. I have been using the destruction rituals from the Satanic Bible and they do seem to work. Of course, I have added my own variations to the ritual.
But still, I am wondering how could I achieve results from a ritual that was designed to fail? perhaps it is just coincidence then that this fellow I cursed got his teeth knocked out at precisely the same time I cursed him. I do notice other inaccuracies, such as perhaps some form of natural disaster taking place instead of the desired result on a specific person. Is it possible for others to channel the energy released by me and redirect it towards their own ends? Just wondering. I asked this same question of John Allee and he never responded. The silence was worth an entire library of grimoires.

In today's world we have so many new methods of communication. It is fascinating. I have long wondered about the rite of DIE ELEKTRISCHEN VORSPIELE, which incorporates an electric current charging the air. I cannot afford such a machine, nor would I even know where to find one. I began using the computer in my rituals instead.
The way I look at it, electric current is like a flame. My understanding of magic is to blend one's will with the elements of fire, air, earth and water in order to achieve an effect on one's surroundings. This holds true for any type of Satanic ritual, not just destruction.


Edited by Satansfarm (04/10/10 09:04 AM)

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#37493 - 04/10/10 02:05 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Satansfarm]
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"Is it possible for others to channel the energy released by me and redirect it towards their own ends?"

I believe so. Ever go to a big concert/show, you might be able to feel the energy level in that room at that moment in time. I think it might be a matter of proximity, and focus. Or, as others might think, nothing like that is ever possible.

Hmm, have you looked into getting lightening ball? I don't remember the exact name for it. It is a clear glass ball on a base, that when you turn it on, the electric currents look like lightening. I think I got mine at Spencer gifts years ago.

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#37501 - 04/11/10 12:12 AM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Morgan]
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Not that I am one for needing rituals but reading this made me think of something I saw a month or two ago.

Build your own Wimshurst influence machine.

Looks like fun, now if you have a use for it so much the better.

If only I had a use or need for one. Well other than the cool weird factor that is.

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#38207 - 05/01/10 10:56 AM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: ta2zz]
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It is possible to manipulate people in order to work a curse. In business, I don't always know an opponent personally. I generally don't curse someone unless they threaten me. It is possible to get them to threaten me so that I now am fully justified in cursing them. This is rather amusing. However, I will still refrain from becoming some kind of "satanic hitman". Behold, the trembling christian who would employ me to destroy someone, who now is fervently on his knees begging god for forgiveness while he hopes that I will be flung into hell to pay for his sins. Now he begs for my wrath to clip him. I don't think I will do it. Why should I grant him any relief from his misery? Let the sorry piece of shit grovel at the knees of his deaf, dumb and blind god. He is a laughing stock. This also amuses me. You may have guessed by now that my neighborhood is rather dull.
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#38210 - 05/02/10 09:12 AM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Satansfarm]
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One thing to note, is that if you "curse" anyone in public you can be generally be charged as a criminal for it. Any "threat" is generally punishable with the law, especially if the victim believes the threat. So if you have a target in mind make sure you keep your big freakin' yap shut.
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#38211 - 05/02/10 12:27 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Mindmaster]
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Do you have any examples of people arrested in recent times for putting a public curse on somebody? I would like to see the testimony at that trial.

@ Satansfarm Haven't you wrote this exact thing once before or are you now posting things you have recited in your videos? I swear you have said this before.

No time to go look sorry...

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#38212 - 05/02/10 01:08 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

Do you have any examples of people arrested in recent times for putting a public curse on somebody? I would like to see the testimony at that trial.

@ Satansfarm Haven't you wrote this exact thing once before or are you now posting things you have recited in your videos? I swear you have said this before.

No time to go look sorry...

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I'm not sure you would get in trouble for "cursing" as so much as threatening death or injury. It's generally called probable cause. E.g., someone dies.. who hated them? etc.. You probably would be top of the list if you were blurting stuff out... Even if you don't get blamed why would you want a bunch of cops poking around your house?

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#38213 - 05/02/10 06:50 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Mindmaster]
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Yeah I get the threatening thing but I still want to see the DA that’s going to try to prosecute such a case. I could see the headlines “Man charged for threatening in Satanic curse leads to victim being beheaded in a bus accident”.

So first you assume that cursing someone in public is against the law then when questioned you assume that it could be probable cause or that it could be seen as threatening. You go even further to assume that it will bring cops poking around your home. Interesting really.

I myself think blurting out too much about curses and such may get you evaluated much faster than arrested. But this could change in different areas.

So you don’t know of any case where a person who has cursed someone was arrested for threatening then eh?

Did you really need to quote my whole post for this?

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#38285 - 05/04/10 02:13 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: ta2zz]
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Some thoughts about cursing in general. If a curse, to be effective, requires a gullible recipient, the question that directly comes to mind is why such a dumb person can even be your enemy? If that person is dumb enough to believe, even if only minimally, that anyone can affect their health, life or whatever, by chanting some gibberish in a dark cellar, then how on Earth could that person not be handled with directly? Dumb people have one thing in common; their weak spots are pretty evident, and in such, they can be dolls on your stage if you prefer so.

That's why I regard anyone resorting to curses to handle their enemies as either dumb, weak or cowards.

In my opinion, the only advantage of a destruction ritual, besides some emotional detoxification, is that you prepare your mind for the real work. By mentally culling someone, you start remolding your brain and embracing the fact that some people do deserve to be removed of the food chain and in doing so, you weed out any moral objection still left somewhere in you. Your mind is flexible and by continuously forcing it a certain route, this route will become its natural route.

A more effective technique than the destruction ritual is what I call becoming the Hunter. Instead of sitting in front of your decorated table and wishing for some random disaster to happen to Mr. Enemy, you start to imagine you being the force of vengeance and plan an effective method of elimination. Effective as in being able to execute that very plan in reality with a minimal chance of failing. Like in hunting different game requires a different approach and patience and careful planning is required. You consider and reconsider all options from start to end and constantly change any weak link in that chain until you got something worthwhile. In the end, if your prey deserves it, you are ready to leave the mental kingdom and move your plan into reality. If your prey didn't deserve it, you were wasting time to begin with.

Happy hunting.

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#38407 - 05/09/10 04:38 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Diavolo]
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For cursing, you need to be extremely focused on the target in order for it to work. If you don't put enough effort into the curse, you could end up cursing yourself.
Some tools needed: a picture, lock of hair, belonging
You should write out a meaningful curse--it can pertain to the victim's desires.

When finished, you should bury the doll/wax/etc. somewhere near a train track and far from your home. For it to work- you have to believe that it will benefit you in a big way. That's how it goes for me. While Wiccans say cursing is unethical, I think it is ethical as long as you are aware of your actions. It's like self defense. Expect to see results, and think of it as if you're doing it physically--because that's what you're trying to achieve.

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#38425 - 05/10/10 02:53 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Kali]
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Kali, as I see it rituals are a means toward an end, not ends in and of themselves. They work only to the extent that they may help prepare me mentally for whatever physical actions I will take to achieve the results I desire. Therefore, I don’t “need” anything but the will to go out and do what I want done.

Anything beyond this suggests a metaphysical aspect of magic, which I’ve seen no hard evidence of. I prefer to deal with knowns, and I know that I can often get what I want in life by taking the appropriate actions. That’s my magic.

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#38442 - 05/11/10 02:40 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: William Wright]
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re: William Wright.

People have different ideas on magic. Your view is realistic, scientific, and you seem to have a well thought out idea of what magic is. The ritual as you say is the means to the end, and the metaphysical aspect may or may not exist. Any manifestations or things seen may be just projections of the mind. As Crowley said; whether these things have an independent existence does not matter.

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#38475 - 05/12/10 03:55 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Mikey58]
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In the chapter "How to Be a Sorcerer" of Satan Speaks Lavey explains why some people get results from magic rituals while others don't. Magical ability is something a person is born with. It cannot be learned or taught. You either have it or you don't.
You can learn all the names of all the gods and their origins. You can memorize each enochian key and recite them all by heart. Magical ability is probably most akin to being able to draw or play a musical instrument. You either have it or you don't. Most people don't have it. Most people will try the rituals in the Satanic Bible and absolutely nothing will happen except for perhaps they might feel better after the sort of primal therapy that the rituals entail. Some people will get disappointed and abandon Satanism as some kind of farce, others will like the philosophy and use it in their lives. A few will be able to curse their enemies and watch them die.

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#38918 - 05/30/10 08:44 AM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
In the chapter "How to Be a Sorcerer" of Satan Speaks Lavey explains why some people get results from magic rituals while others don't. Magical ability is something a person is born with. It cannot be learned or taught. You either have it or you don't.


Not sure if I personally agree with this. More accurately some people are good at certain TYPES of magic and better or worse at others. Most magic is inhibitory (meditative/trance/ritual) or based on excitement (dancing, drumming, chanting, etc) but generally one is good at one or the other of these and not both. You have to find your niche be that shamanistic type dancing and drumming or meditative/trance-like work. Anyone can be taught some basics though and get full value. Most failing at magic is attempting to using the system you are ill equipped for. You should survey your own psyche and find out what you can use and what you reject. In any case, PRACTICE can get you through anything that you are lacking. Some just need more practice.

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You can learn all the names of all the gods and their origins. You can memorize each enochian key and recite them all by heart. Magical ability is probably most akin to being able to draw or play a musical instrument. You either have it or you don't. Most people don't have it. Most people will try the rituals in the Satanic Bible and absolutely nothing will happen except for perhaps they might feel better after the sort of primal therapy that the rituals entail. Some people will get disappointed and abandon Satanism as some kind of farce, others will like the philosophy and use it in their lives. A few will be able to curse their enemies and watch them die.


If any of these things gave you magic ability or even mattered as a component of a magical process I'd agree. But, the issue is moot since LaVey didn't believe that magic is anything but a psychodrama or did he? Long way from a stage magician to a sorcerer maybe someday we'll figure it out. If you use LaVey's model of magic you don't believe any of that shit is real since he has no acceptance of the supernatural. One cannot fail at a psychodrama as it is an _act_. Psychodrama is not considered magic by most actual magic practitioners, so LaVey is being a carny here. He knows his brand of dabbling is nothing more than a stage show, but do you?

Most people will try the rituals in the Satanic Bible and fail because the rituals themselves are full of fail. They aren't classically correct nor reflect any accurate modern advancements. They make as much sense as saying the Lord's Prayer in reverse and jacking off. The information to make effective use of magic isn't even present in any book that LaVey has wrote. He copied other authors for the most part who put all of the script in print, but didn't mention the details. A good cook knows how to use the tools in the kitchen so it's not in the recipe, but without that knowledge you make a lot of shitty dinners.

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#38927 - 05/30/10 07:27 PM Magic, the Baths, & the Bible [Re: Mindmaster]
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 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
... LaVey didn't believe that magic is anything but a psychodrama or did he?

 Originally Posted By: ASLV to MAA 3/6/74
... The issue of Time covering the psychics was great, and JMK wrote a letter telling them so. What a phoney bunch of wiccans in lab coats most of those birds are! I’ll wager not one in ten “parapsychologists” would recognize a genuinely untoward situation if confronted with it.

I’ve no doubt that you’ve witnessed more outré happenings than all the SRI, Duke U., etc. codgers put together. Those guys never see, test, or come up with much of anything valid.

If you had an ultrasonic raygun that would fit into a fountain pen, or a means of “clouding men’s minds”, would you be so quick to let anyone else in on it? When I hear about the Ted Serioses and Uri Gellers and how they are knocking them dead, well … I only wish we had more time to devote to discussing these things first-hand, like about two hundred years.

There is such a thing as “magic”, and wonders are indeed possible within its precincts. Most of what you see around you now, however, is truly what Time called “a substitute faith”. Not that it bothers me much, for each substitute faith leads the public a step away from those who have become stifling and parasitic to the Great God Flux.

Even though the present crises are an inconvenience, the end result will be to our taste. We did bring them on ourselves, and we will have to sit them out. I personally find it quite fascinating - like watching the Circus Maximus. Chaos is ensuing nicely, and a catastrophic event is in the immediate offing. I’d better sign off before I start sounding evil.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
Long way from a stage magician to a sorcerer maybe someday we'll figure it out. If you use LaVey's model of magic you don't believe any of that shit is real since he has no acceptance of the supernatural. One cannot fail at a psychodrama as it is an _act_. Psychodrama is not considered magic by most actual magic practitioners, so LaVey is being a carny here. He knows his brand of dabbling is nothing more than a stage show, but do you?

Stage magic is merely a light-hearted, entertaining application of LBM. Accordingly it is one of the exercises the Temple of Set proposes to new Setians to begin comprehending & applying LBM.

As for GBM, Anton both respected and believed in it. But it should not be confused with the pageants that he regularly conducted at 6114 in the early days of the Church; they were just that, for fun, drama, and a pinch of public outrage now and then.

The key to GBM is very much in the awareness and disposition of the celebrant. An insensitive could recite my "Ceremony of the Nine Angles" and waste ten minutes. However it can also be and do exactly what it asserts, as for instance one midnight at the cave down the cliff-edge stairs at the terminus of the Sutro Baths.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
Most people will try the rituals in the Satanic Bible and fail because the rituals themselves are full of fail.

A successful magical working, says the Satanic Bible, incorporates five basic ingredients: a serious desire for results, timing of the ritual to coincide with the magician’s greatest strength of will [and the recipient’s least resistance], effective use of imagery to focus attention, direction of the working into a concentrated sending, and maximum utilization of the balance factor [not expecting magic to compensate for too great a difference between the status quo and the desired objective, it being most effective when employed, as it were, to “tip the balance”].

This is what makes any working effective. The window-dressing is just window-dressing. People who just focus on the WD are back in pageantland.

As I have remarked previously, the SB was never conceived as a timeless, stand-alone treatise. Its magical-instruction sections - "BBelial" & "BLeviathan" - were originally mimeographed handouts for the classes on magic that Anton taught at 6114. That's where the substance was explained & explored in detail, and originally the Church's Priests were expected to be educated in & familiar with this curriculum so as to ensure that the SB was "fleshed out" in the Grottos.

"BLucifer" also began as mimeo-handouts at 6114 lectures and in membership application mailings. "BSatan" and the Equinox Enochian Keys were just lifted & "Satanized" from their original sources to fill up Avon's size-requirement. All this happened in 1969, and the SB really makes sense as a "snapshot" at that point in time. The crazy contortions the Great Unwashed have dragged it through since then ... well, as Linus once said in Peanuts, "There's a lesson to be learned here, but I don't know what it is."
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#38928 - 05/30/10 08:00 PM Re: Magic, the Baths, & the Bible [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
"There's a lesson to be learned here, but I don't know what it is."


One main message is that people seem to think that they should be given the keys to the castle without having to work to get them or understand the way the plumbing works. They think that they can get the wisdom of the universe from Bantam books at $3.95 and instantly, as through osmosis, absorb all of the experiences and skills and hard-won wisdom of the writer.

Like Porgy sang to Bess, "It ain't necessarily so."
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#38931 - 05/30/10 09:04 PM Another Working Record [Re: Satansfarm]
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For Bay Area nonmagicians, another place besides the Sutro Baths to avoid after dark is Mount Tamalpais:

 Originally Posted By: The Scroll of Set, March 1986
[Transcribed from a cassette recorder found next to a teenager who hanged himself in the San Francisco Jail on November 2 of this past year, after being arrested on suspicion of murder.]

I shouldn’t have gone with them that night, those fools who laughed at the old Indian’s tale. “By day you white men are tolerated,” he nodded, “but the night is not your time, and we of the old folk are allowed on the lower slopes only because of the honor we do to the spirit
of Mount Tamalpais.”

Drunken and brazen, we lurched towards the car. The wind was brisk and chill as we crossed the Golden Gate. “We’ll make an ass out of that old fool tomorrow,” we jeered, as we drove past Sausalito and took the Highway #1 turn-off to Stinson Beach, and saw before us the dark mass
of Mount Tamalpais.

Up the slopes we staggered, tearing wantonly at the branches of trees unfortunate enough to be in our way. I sent a crushed beer-can sailing o’er the brush and into a small pool whose clear waters were yellowing as one of my companions belched and relieved himself
on Mount Tamalpais.

We climbed to the summit and looked out o’er the vale at the twinkling lights of Tiburon so far below. We were going to build a fire and warm up, but we couldn’t get the wood to light. And besides it was kind of creepy up there. So we finished the rest of the beer and started down through the forests
of Mount Tamalpais.

It was then that the cold, tearing things came ...

Why won’t you believe me?
I couldn’t have smashed bones to pulp with nothing but my bare hands!
I can’t grind through the flesh of a human face with these teeth!

The old Indian visited me yesterday in jail.
He said that they are saving me until later.
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#38933 - 05/30/10 10:53 PM Re: Another Working Record [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I like Dr. LaVey’s later magic. All of those years of experience culminated in what he did in the Den of Iniquity.

I like the way he created a total environment with artificial human companions to complement that space, in a fashion similar to Dr. Anton Phibes and his art deco world and his mechanical band.

I like the idea of his making musical magic via the keyboards. I like the idea of that space, that Den actually becoming real for him, with real people, and all of them living in a real past time.

Dr. LaVey, I think, could be so wistful and so into the idea of just shutting everything out and just dwelling in the past and playing that long forgotten and neglected music and filling the atmosphere with his will.

He was a true Magus I think and I am still trying to come to grips with what he was doing in the Den.

Dr. LaVey was into more than just mere psychodrama, that's for sure.

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#38935 - 05/31/10 12:35 AM Re: Magic, the Baths, & the Bible [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Fair enough,

I'm just not sure why there has to be a concept of dichotomy in classes of magic. It all seems very much related to me, but at the same time I don't see the material in _TSB_ as being relevant due to key information being missing.. Your information that this was a hand out does a great deal to provide me with the object of my curiosity here. Namely, this isn't all of the information and that likely a student would be studying this and something else. The work of all magic is understanding your weaknesses and exploiting your strengths. I understand ASLV's real value mind you in that he's one helluva front man for the Prince of Darkness. Probably wouldn't have read anything by Rand, Greene, or Nietzsche without having read _TSB_.

I just happened by other systems first and I noticed the lack of mechanics so to speak though lots of familiar script. \:\) You leave me more curious now about his 'model' of choice. It seems to me that his books follow a psychological model, but his personal views aren't so clean cut just via the text in your post. Supernatural occurrence, mysticism, and psychic activity are definitely really at war with Atheism these days so pardon me if I gouge out my dualism and slaughter it before you all.

On this occasion, I am on one of my dogma shakeup runs so I may even assault satanic philosophy, magic, and practices with impunity. Don't take my outbursts as anything but an attempt to regain reckoning... always happens when I get off reading chaos-related material... just finished _Condensed Chaos_ by Phil Hine. \:\) Stews up the the bits in me which reject assumptions every time!

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#38936 - 05/31/10 03:04 AM Re: Another Working Record [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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When talking about magical workings I can't help to hear that low voice with a vision of crossing the Universe between the stars and planets. It pretty much sums it up..
 Originally Posted By: Rod Serling
There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call "The Twilight Zone".
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#38951 - 05/31/10 07:26 PM Drop into the Zone [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
When talking about magical workings I can't help to hear that low voice with a vision of crossing the Universe between the stars and planets. It pretty much sums it up..

Indeed you can both hear and see it.

Not to mention that in a LBM working of imagineering necromancy, Rod was recently brought back from the grave to narrate and appear in the welcoming video in Disneyland's "Tower of Terror" attraction.
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#40314 - 07/15/10 09:28 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

The elements of which you speak which were used in forms of magic were considered to be elemental spirits… So while there is no god in your equation, there are spirits or in your case forces of nature… Seems pretty fucking close or no different to me…

“Nature spirits which include elementals are believed to be various types of beings or spirits which inhabit Nature.”

“Elementals are of a lower type of nature spirit. They are believed to exist as the life force in all living things. They are said to even exist in the four elements of earth, air, fire, and water; the planets, stars, and the signs of the zodiac; and the hours of the day and night.”


Elementals Link

Now let me further add witchcraft to ritual magic, and prayer… All of these work exactly the same through luck… If your prayer, curse, or spell works then what a powerful person you are, how powerful your faith in yourself or your god must be… Now if the same prayer, spell, curse, or working doesn’t work well then perhaps you were not focused enough or your belief in your god or your own power was not enough to secure the desired outcome… The only difference between prayer, magic or witchcraft is where you think this power comes from…

Can you really call on the power of the elements and believe that you are not calling on an external source of power? How different from asking for god's favor is this? Can you honestly argue that because it has been done for thousands of years it must be correct? Following that train of thought then both you and I are on the wrong path, Jesus is real... Prayer must also be real...

Question everything as a Satanist just not magic as long as it works for you… In fact didn’t Anton say something along the same line about the use of satanic magic? Not to question it as long as it works for you? Sometimes it is easier to fool yourself than others, but a smart man can easily fool you into fooling yourself…

You admit yourself that curses only really work if the person deserves it… Why do you think this is? Could it not be this person’s disposition or actions that make him worthy of the curse itself is not what ensures his demise? Many Satanists admit that ritual is used only to clear the mind, the only difference I see from this to prayer is dumping your goals on an external deity… I would have to argue that even though a Christian prays to god the outcome of clearing the mind is not much different… Except while we may work to achieve what we want a Christian may wait hoping it will be handed to them…

The longer I look the more similar it all becomes… The basic instincts and common emotions that drive the human race are very few, quite disgusting to be a slave to without trying to understand these basics…

No fantastical beings in the sky no fantastical powers to be had…

~T~


I think there is a differnce between prayer and magic, and that is self deceit. The devout church goer will pray and whine about his circumstance, which negates any real results by spreading the desire thin and deluting it. The Satanist or Magician knowing that prayer does no good takes the situation by command.

You said that "the only difference I see from this to prayer is dumping your goals on an external deity…" In my view, we are not dumping our goals on some external deity, but rather, rid any unwanted negative energies or emotions as in the Destruction Ritual. In the Destruction Ritual this is attained by the symbolic sticking of pins or needles into an effegy. The whole point is for the magician to return to a functional and productive life, and if (even by coincidence) the victim gets ill then so be it and Hail Satan!

There was mention of the Infernal Names and a feeling of empowerment by a poster. I would just like to add that, of course in my workings, the Infernal Names are not viewed as literal beings but as archetypes - reflections of self, whose attributs can be added to the self.

BUT, if by some reason a person undergoes ritual and chooses to believe in the archetypes chosen and it intensifies the ritual, then so be it! If believing that you are in league with demons and it better intensifies your personal workings then by all means indulge in fantasy. But when it is all said and done the rightful mind would do well to realize that it is just that - fantasy. Within Satanic Ritual there is a bit of paradox concurrent within the rituals: up is down, pleasure is pain, right is wrong, ingnorance bliss, truth lies etc.

My thoughts.
Lamar.

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#40328 - 07/16/10 01:13 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
I think there is a differnce between prayer and magic, and that is self deceit. The devout church goer will pray and whine about his circumstance, which negates any real results by spreading the desire thin and deluting it. The Satanist or Magician knowing that prayer does no good takes the situation by command.

By taking command you do mean doing something besides ritual to achieve what you desire yes? Cause if all you do is a ritual and wait you are no different than a person who prays. Also to point out, you have no absolute knowledge that everyone who has ever prayed did so whining with little or diluted desire. This is not fact just your opinion.

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
You said that "the only difference I see from this to prayer is dumping your goals on an external deity…

I did? I know you cut and pasted my whole post but I fear if you really read it that you fail to comprehend what I really said.

Try rereading and understanding this paragraph shall we?

“Now let me further add witchcraft to ritual magic, and prayer… All of these work exactly the same through luck… If your prayer, curse, or spell works then what a powerful person you are, how powerful your faith in yourself or your god must be… Now if the same prayer, spell, curse, or working doesn’t work well then perhaps you were not focused enough or your belief in your god or your own power was not enough to secure the desired outcome… The only difference between prayer, magic or witchcraft is where you think this power comes from…” ~ta2zz

Nowhere do I say anything about dumping your goals on an external deity.

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
" In my view, we are not dumping our goals on some external deity, but rather, rid any unwanted negative energies or emotions as in the Destruction Ritual. In the Destruction Ritual this is attained by the symbolic sticking of pins or needles into an effegy. The whole point is for the magician to return to a functional and productive life, and if (even by coincidence) the victim gets ill then so be it and Hail Satan!

I fully understand Satanic magic and ritual and I assure you I have transcended any need for physical ritual and only see alters and such as tools for others who are not as focused. I have met others who follow this path, those who believe that the second half of that little black book is merely for those who still need dogma and filler. Yes I said dogma.

Seriously the need to perform a ritual to gain control of your emotions just oozes weakness to me.

No offence to any who need or use ritual or to those who for an alter use a naked female. ;\)

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
There was mention of the Infernal Names and a feeling of empowerment by a poster. I would just like to add that, of course in my workings, the Infernal Names are not viewed as literal beings but as archetypes - reflections of self, whose attributs can be added to the self.

Who, what? Weren’t you directly replying to my above copied post? Wait are you talking about where I said this?

“Can you really call on the power of the elements and believe that you are not calling on an external source of power? How different from asking for god's favor is this?” ~ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
BUT, if by some reason a person undergoes ritual and chooses to believe in the archetypes chosen and it intensifies the ritual, then so be it! If believing that you are in league with demons and it better intensifies your personal workings then by all means indulge in fantasy.

So by all means if praying to The Hulk or if calling on him makes you stronger or gets you results so be it.

You mentioned self-deceit?

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
But when it is all said and done the rightful mind would do well to realize that it is just that - fantasy. Within Satanic Ritual there is a bit of paradox concurrent within the rituals: up is down, pleasure is pain, right is wrong, ingnorance bliss, truth lies etc.


Fantasy is best left to children and bedtime stories. There is little room for fantasy beyond entertainment in my reality. If we remember that the rituals were written in a different time for a different mindset than and only then will reality become clear.

~T~
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#40348 - 07/16/10 04:37 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
I think there is a differnce between prayer and magic, and that is self deceit. The devout church goer will pray and whine about his circumstance, which negates any real results by spreading the desire thin and deluting it. The Satanist or Magician knowing that prayer does no good takes the situation by command.

By taking command you do mean doing something besides ritual to achieve what you desire yes? Cause if all you do is a ritual and wait you are no different than a person who prays. Also to point out, you have no absolute knowledge that everyone who has ever prayed did so whining with little or diluted desire. This is not fact just your opinion.

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
You said that "the only difference I see from this to prayer is dumping your goals on an external deity…

I did? I know you cut and pasted my whole post but I fear if you really read it that you fail to comprehend what I really said.

Try rereading and understanding this paragraph shall we?

“Now let me further add witchcraft to ritual magic, and prayer… All of these work exactly the same through luck… If your prayer, curse, or spell works then what a powerful person you are, how powerful your faith in yourself or your god must be… Now if the same prayer, spell, curse, or working doesn’t work well then perhaps you were not focused enough or your belief in your god or your own power was not enough to secure the desired outcome… The only difference between prayer, magic or witchcraft is where you think this power comes from…” ~ta2zz

Nowhere do I say anything about dumping your goals on an external deity.

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
" In my view, we are not dumping our goals on some external deity, but rather, rid any unwanted negative energies or emotions as in the Destruction Ritual. In the Destruction Ritual this is attained by the symbolic sticking of pins or needles into an effegy. The whole point is for the magician to return to a functional and productive life, and if (even by coincidence) the victim gets ill then so be it and Hail Satan!

I fully understand Satanic magic and ritual and I assure you I have transcended any need for physical ritual and only see alters and such as tools for others who are not as focused. I have met others who follow this path, those who believe that the second half of that little black book is merely for those who still need dogma and filler. Yes I said dogma.

Seriously the need to perform a ritual to gain control of your emotions just oozes weakness to me.

No offence to any who need or use ritual or to those who for an alter use a naked female. ;\)

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
There was mention of the Infernal Names and a feeling of empowerment by a poster. I would just like to add that, of course in my workings, the Infernal Names are not viewed as literal beings but as archetypes - reflections of self, whose attributs can be added to the self.

Who, what? Weren’t you directly replying to my above copied post? Wait are you talking about where I said this?

“Can you really call on the power of the elements and believe that you are not calling on an external source of power? How different from asking for god's favor is this?” ~ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
BUT, if by some reason a person undergoes ritual and chooses to believe in the archetypes chosen and it intensifies the ritual, then so be it! If believing that you are in league with demons and it better intensifies your personal workings then by all means indulge in fantasy.

So by all means if praying to The Hulk or if calling on him makes you stronger or gets you results so be it.

You mentioned self-deceit?

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
But when it is all said and done the rightful mind would do well to realize that it is just that - fantasy. Within Satanic Ritual there is a bit of paradox concurrent within the rituals: up is down, pleasure is pain, right is wrong, ingnorance bliss, truth lies etc.


Fantasy is best left to children and bedtime stories. There is little room for fantasy beyond entertainment in my reality. If we remember that the rituals were written in a different time for a different mindset than and only then will reality become clear.

~T~

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By taking command you do mean doing something besides ritual to achieve what you desire yes? Cause if all you do is a ritual and wait you are no different than a person who prays. Also to point out, you have no absolute knowledge that everyone who has ever prayed did so whining with little or diluted desire. This is not fact just your opinion.
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Yes, by taking command of the situation you do something other than just ritual. I agree with your statement, if all you do is wait you are no different than the man who prays. But also sometimes, as in the case of the destruction ritual, the magician may feel the need for an emotional release ie: the destroying of an effegy, the shedding of tears (see compassion ritual), etc. Sometimes emotional release is necessary before the magician would take direct command.

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I did? I know you cut and pasted my whole post but I fear if you really read it that you fail to comprehend what I really said.

Try rereading and understanding this paragraph shall we?

“Now let me further add witchcraft to ritual magic, and prayer… All of these work exactly the same through luck… If your prayer, curse, or spell works then what a powerful person you are, how powerful your faith in yourself or your god must be… Now if the same prayer, spell, curse, or working doesn’t work well then perhaps you were not focused enough or your belief in your god or your own power was not enough to secure the desired outcome… The only difference between prayer, magic or witchcraft is where you think this power comes from…” ~ta2zz

Nowhere do I say anything about dumping your goals on an external deity.
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No you did not say anything about dumping your goals on an external deity in that paragraph. But you did say that right about here.
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Many Satanists admit that ritual is used only to clear the mind, the only difference I see from this to prayer is dumping your goals on an external deity…
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I fully understand Satanic magic and ritual and I assure you I have transcended any need for physical ritual and only see alters and such as tools for others who are not as focused. I have met others who follow this path, those who believe that the second half of that little black book is merely for those who still need dogma and filler. Yes I said dogma.

Seriously the need to perform a ritual to gain control of your emotions just oozes weakness to me.

No offence to any who need or use ritual or to those who for an alter use a naked female.
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Well I am certainly happy you have transcended beyond the need for ritual and have met others with same views. But just because I ritualize does not mean that I am not as focused, if anything my focus is enhanced with my direction and intent. On another note, I enjoy ceremony. And lastly, no I do not need to perfom a ritual to gain control of my emotions.

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Who, what? Weren’t you directly replying to my above copied post?
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No I was responding to another poster, my apolagies I should have been more specific when I was referring to archetypes.

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Fantasy is best left to children and bedtime stories. There is little room for fantasy beyond entertainment in my reality. If we remember that the rituals were written in a different time for a different mindset than and only then will reality become clear.
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There is an element of fantasy in ceremony. And come to think of it ceremony is entertaining.

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#40380 - 07/17/10 01:57 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Lamar]
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Holy fucking shit Batman!

Before you hit the submit button you can preview your post. I suggest you do so as well as not quoting complete posts when they are directly above your reply.

Did you say anything in that mess?

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#40387 - 07/17/10 10:36 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Lamar]
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Lamar:

Please do as Ta2zz suggests, and click "Preview Post" before the "Submit" button.

Click "Reply" on the post that you wish to respond to.

Click on the " icon above the text input field.

Highlight which ever sentences or paragraphs you wish to individually reply to/make an argument for or against. Right-click, copy.

Paste the text between the {quote} {/quote}, and your response beneath it.

Click on "Preview Post" to review when you're finished, to ensure that there are no spelling mistakes, thoughts you'd like to add/leave out, and that the post you're trying to make doesn't look like the one you made in this thread.
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#43363 - 09/30/10 04:26 PM Re: Not a good idea to piss Satanists off. [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
O.K. then ...

Look, Anton wrote the Satanic Bible knowing full well that it was going to be bought by every teenage clod at the corner drugstore bookrack. Therefore the "destruction ritual" was designed so that no one would or could actually get hurt from or by it, get it?


True! And this isn't something "new" or "deceptive." Even in the ancient musty dusties of magical ritual and up to and including some of the iconic "magical societies," it was common to leave out a specific part of a ritual, and that piece of the ritual would be known by those who needed to know it. It was a key/lock type of situation. In essence, "I'll tell you where the treasure IS... it's there and ready for you to take it... when YOU are ready to receive it."

LaVey was simply not handing a loaded weapons to children.


Excuse me, Jake, for bringing up an old thread, but as a new member I`m doing quite a lot of reading here, and ever since I first read through this particular thread I`ve always had your above post in mind. I THINK that I may be actually missing out on something valid here, and I probably am, but since I am here mostly to learn, I still want to ask...

Since LaVey left out integral parts of the rituals in the Satanic Bible, because he was not, as you said "handing out loaded weapons to children", what difference could those certain parts actually make when Satanic ritual is all about emotional release anyway?

I`ve pondered that some words and combinations may have an dramatic impact on already mentally unstable individuals if engaging in ritual, but seeing that Satanic ritual is already very dramatic as it is (can`t imagine the impact the Satanic Bible may have had in the times it was first released:D) I`m not sure about that either...

Thank you for your time.
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#50799 - 03/11/11 07:55 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Morbid Rex]
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I am drawing the destroyer into this dimension, but with so much fun surrounding the destruction of civilisation, I get distracted by chipping away with tsunamis, earthquakes, famine, disease outbreaks and viruses.

Try carving some hideous sigils into your psyche before you dream a world of corpses. It's just to enhance the Will to destroy the Earth, I do it all the time and it seems to be working a treat.

Somebody could bring about the implosion of the sun? that's more of a side project for me as I'm busy with my grand design most days.
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#51656 - 03/23/11 06:55 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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When I peruse my local bookstores' occult section I find all sorts of books on magical rituals, ceremonies, rites, tools, practices and what have you. But what gets me is the titles of the person performing or one could say studying of sorts in these magical ways. You have your obvious Witches...but then there are Warlocks, Wizards, Druids etc etc. To be a wizard...what makes one a wizard compared to a warlock...or a warlock to a druid besides the obvious alterations in beliefs?
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#51663 - 03/23/11 08:13 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Lucifer I Am]
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Most of it is all just etymology and the different connotations of each word.

"Witch" implies a practitioner of folk sorcery that is seen as opposing the dominant religious authority. It is usually pejorative, as most real witches prefer to call themselves "healers" or some variation of the term.

"Warlock" is a derogative title for a magician that specifically means "oath breaker".

"Wizard" denotes a very wise magician, but it's not used that widely outside of fiction. I'd laugh at anybody who called themselves such, unless they were a mysterious, royally-patroned old man who could kill you with their mesmeric gaze... ie, Christopher Lee.

"Druid" obviously would refer to a heirophant of the Druidic religion and somebody intensively trained in their ancient lore and customs after decades of study-- but of course the Druids died out ages ago, so nowadays the term refers to overweight hippies who like to dress up in Ren-Fair garb and pretend they are the legitimate heirs to a forgotten tradition that died out centuries ago, so they fill in the giant gaps with modern romanticism and random bits of generic folklore, and hope nobody notices.


Edited by The Zebu (03/23/11 08:17 PM)
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#51694 - 03/24/11 12:23 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: The Zebu]
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Hahahahaha well thankyou for that hilarious description.
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#51739 - 03/25/11 12:45 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Lucifer I Am]
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 Originally Posted By: Lucifer I Am
You have your obvious Witches...but then there are Warlocks, Wizards, Druids etc etc. To be a wizard...what makes one a wizard compared to a warlock...or a warlock to a druid besides the obvious alterations in beliefs?

As a bit of historical trivia, the C/S originally had both "official" and "ceremonial" titles for its degrees. [Anton liked the idea of "spooky" titles instead of "traditional" ones.] As of 1972 here was the official breakdown, but within the Church everyone was customarily just using the ones in red:

Degree....Official Title...............................Ceremonial Title
V°..........Magister Satanas..........................Magus
IV°.........Magister Magnus..........................Sorcerer (m) or Sorceress (f)
.............Magister Templi
.............Magister Caverni
III°.........Priest or Priestess of Mendes...........Wizard (m) or Enchantress (f)
II°..........Brother/Sister of the Cauldron.........Warlock (m) or Witch (f)
I°..........Active Member..............................Apprentice
............[Satanist]

Throughout the Church's 1966-75 decade, Anton often used the "ceremonial" terms in conversation and correspondence when referring to individuals or magical operations. If he referred to you or someone else as a "sorcerer", for example, it was an intentional [if rarely realized] compliment.
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#51740 - 03/25/11 12:51 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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There was no title of "Acolyte" either, as you (Dr Aquino) make so eloquently clear on the Oprah Winfrey show featuring the self-professed ex-Satanist who couldn't quite remember whether or not he'd murdered someone, or when or why. Or if it was in a graveyard or not somewhere in the US. Involving 7 knives, probably.
Whenever I feel in need of a good belly laugh I watch this on YouTube. \:D
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#51744 - 03/25/11 03:04 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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We played around with the titles a bit. The original "prefix" for a III° was "Reverend". I suggested "Irreverend". We compromised on "Priest/Priestess ...". Similarly when I joined in 1969, everyone was calling him "Your/His Excellency". I didn't like or use it, saying that it lowered him down to the level of a Catholic bishop. I suggested "Your/His Unholiness". Still think it would have been catchy. We had a go-round with the top level of the IV°. He proposed "Magister Magnus"; I said that would translate to "Fat Master". I proposed "Magister Augustus" instead; he said it sounded like a Roman emperor. He said how about "Magister Templi Rex"? I said it sounded like a German shepherd. We finally just stopped worrying about it until such time as the Church actually got around to having a IV°/III' [it never did].

I understand that Sharon "Blanche Barton" Densley eventually decided to call herself "Magister Templi Rex". No comment.
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#51746 - 03/25/11 03:37 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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The staff was usually pretty laid back about titles when we were dealing with each other at the Black House. Of course, with Dr. LaVey, it was usually Herr Doktor or Dr. LaVey... when introducing him it was always Anton LaVey, High Priest. I called him "Boss," which raised some eyebrows from time to time, but he liked it.

When we had guests, we used their titles unless we were asked/told not to.

Once he told me, "Jake when we're alone, you can call me Anton." I tried once. It felt so alien that I never did it again. It could have been partly my military training, coupled with the respect I had for him, but I just could not get my head around calling him by his first name. It would have been like calling my Squadron Commander "Erle." Nooooooooooooooooo. I kept it formal most of the time. wore 3 piece suits every night and would never have presumed to be too familiar, although there was an obvious connection on a more than business level.

Blanche as Magistra Templi Rex,,, German shepherd... close to what I would call her.
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#51758 - 03/25/11 04:53 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
Once he told me, "Jake when we're alone, you can call me Anton." I tried once. It felt so alien that I never did it again. It could have been partly my military training, coupled with the respect I had for him, but I just could not get my head around calling him by his first name.

I had the same invitation, but didn't even use it once. Diane, Karla, Zeena, sure; but not him. Face-to-face or in correspondence he was always "Dr. LaVey" or "Sir", or impersonally "The High Priest".

Up through 1975 anyway the title "Doctor" was taken literally, referring to a "Doctorate of Satanic Theology" which Anton first asserted on the jacket of the Satanic Mass record. The Church made it integral with the degree of Magus V°, and had back-burner plans to formalize a course of study to it at some future point. In the meantime we had no problem defending the Church's recognition of the title in his case. Rather as with Dr. Who, we considered him "the genuine article", as it were. He himself was a bit more circumspect:

 Originally Posted By: Anton LaVey to M.A.A. 4/12/74
The more “Doctors” I see in print, the more I want to shuck the title. I can take it with Forry because of his innate sense of humor. In fact he should add “Mad” as a prefix. Trouble is, too many would take him literally. I may start calling myself “Grand Exalted Caliph and Satrap of the Infernal Empire and its Myriad Bolgas, Imperial Vizier of the Plutonian Legions, Magistrate Plenipotentiary of the Court of the Crimson King, Almighty Tunafish of the Mystic Knights of the Sea, His Most Omnipotent Excellency Herr Docktor Inspector General Tony LaVey, Bart (‘Bay Area Rapid Transit’, that is)”. For short they can call me “Tony”.

I can remember when they would yell “Is there a doctor in the house?”. It meant someone was sick or injured. It always referred to an M.D. In fact an old burlesque gag went: A matronly Jewish lady in the audience would suddenly stand up during the performance and yell “Is there a doctor in the house?”. A doctor would arise from his seat, saying “Yes, madame, can I be of assistance?”. To which the old blister would reply: “Yes, I’d like you to meet my daughter.”

Now everybody’s a doctor. In fact I bet there are more doctors than Jewish mothers.
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#51760 - 03/25/11 05:19 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I could call Karla by her name and Zeena as well... but it was always Lady Diane. I couldn't see her as anything else out of the respect I had for her. Even when things started to go bad and I would see them argue, it was Lady Diane. And it got hard at times when they were at odds, because I really liked her on a personal level beyond the respect I had for her within the Church.
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#51787 - 03/27/11 01:32 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Jake999]
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Wow, These stories are so fucking cool! Its serial to read all of these notes from Levey and the like talking about SF and riding the Bart. As i scurry around this city i cant help but think about all of the stories i have heard that went down here. When i ride the Bart i am somehow always expecting to see Dr.Lavey come round the corner.

Man i wish i could have been around back in the day when you guys where casting curses on hippies..Epic!

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#51818 - 03/27/11 03:56 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: SatanicVeteran]
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 Originally Posted By: SatanicVeteran
Wow, These stories are so fucking cool! Its serial to read all of these notes from LaVey ... Man i wish i could have been around back in the day when you guys where casting curses on hippies..Epic!

The main purpose of my The Church of Satan was to recapture the original experience of the 1966-75 Church generally, and of its various personalities including Anton specifically, for readers who had missed, or only seen a little part of that "adventure". So it & its appendices are crammed with just about all the period-data you could wish. A free ebook download.

Another major project is Burton Wolfe's recent The Black Pope revision of his 1974 The Devil's Avenger, which you can order here for US$12. This is primarily an ASLV biography, not a history of the Church.

I wouldn't waste time or $ on Densley's Secret Life of a Satanist, nor on the Gilmore puffstuff. For an honest, no-bullshit look behind the doors of 6114 after 1975, I think we all need to gang up on Jake and harass him into write his memoirs.
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#51820 - 03/27/11 04:33 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I think Jake should write a book about his varied life experiences, including his time with Anton LaVey. They would make for an interesting read. Sure, we have Dr.Aquino, Wolfe, and Densely's takes on the good Doktor, but Jake has dished out quite an array of stories and experiences unavailable elsewhere.
Have you considered writing a book, Jake?

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#51860 - 03/28/11 03:26 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Krishna]
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#52507 - 04/08/11 06:41 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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I'm often amazed by how well LaVey's ritual work. Especially the destruction one. it truly strikes me as incredible. As a new member, it is so great to have someone who shares the same views. \:\)
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#107812 - 08/02/16 08:21 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Morbid Rex]
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concerning the satanic ritual if any one cares can directly explain to me,i have been casting many spells and not one worked does it mean i do not have faith with the gods.i believe some one out there have tried and worked for him,kindly explain where am going wrong or what the hell ave not read correctly.hoping to hear from you and explain about the success.
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#107845 - 08/03/16 03:37 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: onesmua2016]
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Faith is not the issue.
To put it in a more philosophical and theological perspective:
"You've been asking the wrong questions".

Do you honestly believe powerful immortal beings can be summoned and asked to do your bidding? Do you honestly believe they would even care the slightest?

Just imagine what you are doing. You, a mere mortal with no power nor any special talents AT ALL, are demanding semi-omnipotent and everlasting powers to do your bidding. It's ironic... and sad.

The unspoken question you have is "What can they do to help me" whereas the real question should be "What can I do to help myself".

Think about that one before asking and posting some inane dribble.
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#111338 - 01/27/17 07:55 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Woa, nice thread this one. I did a personally customised version of a destruction spell, slightly lowered the dose. A guy was bothering non stop so I needed to do two things: 1- find the place where he cannot bother me as much. 2- I needed to blow steam, so I wrote it out and drew the guy getting it. It was a good psychodrama for me, as after it I was no longer affected by the guy. So he goes and bothers other people in town and I thought 'we'll he's going to get it'...Got beaten up twice, by different people. Then got jailed and given a fine for drinking in a public place and insulting an officer. All at once, the guy had it coming. I warned him before. Did I make it happen? I have no clue but the blowing steam on paper was useful for me.
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#112961 - 05/30/17 01:48 AM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Satansfarm]
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Thanks.
I appreciated your post.

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#116536 - 07/09/18 08:27 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: Morbid Rex]
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These are FREE ebooks.
http://www.gentilenation.com/power-meditation-volume-3.html
Also, volumes 1 and 2. Volume 3 deals with working with the elements DIRECTLY.
Another website with these is http://www.satanslibrary.org/Pdf_Library.html
Again, these are FREE. The Power Meditations discuss raising one's own energy ( bio electricity ) which, as mentioned in an above comment, enhances the working.
Unlike Dr. LaVey, E A Koetting and others, this site gives people the actually "how to" instructions and techniques on how to do this stuff. For FREE.
I know these meditations work. Warnings included in the instructions. Do at your own risk.
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#117054 - 09/25/18 08:02 PM Re: The Satanic Destruction Ritual [Re: ClaytonRayDavies]
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