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#22015 - 03/14/09 07:19 PM Positions in Hell?
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I know that in (some?) old thinkings, hell actually functioned as full kingdom, with various positions filled by various demons, for example, Dagon was named Hell's Baker.

Anyone know if Hell had a named brewer? Or if there's a specific Demon of beer or alcohol?
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#22577 - 03/26/09 11:51 AM Re: Positions in Hell? [Re: Sharschosen]
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There is one out of Sumeria...she's a goddess named Ninkasi. Obviously not "demoniac" but certainly not a bad start...there's Silenus of Greek mythology, Dionysus etc.

Fun site with a clever modernized image of Ninkasi:

http://www.socyberty.com/Folklore/10-Ancient-Gods-of-Beer.47169

Seems to me the demon of beer would be the hangover

Any of the "collapsed" negative qualities of beer would be demoniac in nature....so if there is not one specifically designated, it could be any of a number of them - the negative qualities of drunkenness itself are pretty scary - alcohol is quite addictive and beer drinking leads to several issues if not done correctly and with moderation...

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#22708 - 03/30/09 07:19 PM Re: Positions in Hell? [Re: 97and107]
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huh, thanks for the help!
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#22973 - 04/05/09 06:24 PM Re: Positions in Hell? [Re: Sharschosen]
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Maybe that can be your job when you get there. I bet the damned only get O'Doul's though.
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#23438 - 04/18/09 05:20 PM Re: Positions in Hell? [Re: coelentrate]
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heh, well, I am a good cook, we'll see how my brewing goes.
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#24374 - 05/10/09 03:35 AM Re: Positions in Hell? [Re: Sharschosen]
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i have often wondered if there were positions in hell.But do you think it would be like a hierarchy? If so Satan would be the "king" but what of his minions?
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#24377 - 05/10/09 03:57 AM Re: Positions in Hell? [Re: lefthanded]
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 Originally Posted By: lefthanded
i have often wondered if there were positions in hell.But do you think it would be like a hierarchy? If so Satan would be the "king" but what of his minions?

No idea, but by the look on this topic I'm quite sure that all respondents will be my bitches if they don't start thinking.

Now, to make this topic a bit worthwile I'll give some information from Christian point of view trough history..

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In early Christian theology, Satan or the Devil was seen as chief of all other demons. But soon this changed and Hell was divided in several hierarchies of demons. This was presumably due to the division of angels in hierarchies or choirs taken from Judaism (see angelology), and as demons were angels before, their organization had to be similar.

During the Middle Ages, many other schema were proposed, some drawing on and expanding on Pseudo-Dionysius, others suggesting completely different classifications. One of these divisions is offered by Sebastien Michaelis, who divided demons in three hierarchies (first, second and third), not making allusion to their rulers (see Michaelis' classification of demons).

Soon this division took another sense, and nobility titles were granted to demons as if they were part of an earthly monarchy. Demons were Great Marshals, Knights, Presidents, Great Presidents, Earls, Great Earls, Dukes, Great Dukes, Marquises, Great Marquises, Princes, Great Princes, Kings, Great Kings, and the Emperor, the ruler of them all. As in the earth, some of them had more than one title. Curiously, the titles of Baronet, Baron, Viscount and Viceroy were not used. It is unclear if Earl was used as a synonym of Count, or with the ancient meaning of Eorl (Old English for 'nobleman, Prince, Warlord, chief of soldiers'), because the Latin term 'comes' has both meanings. Other hierarchies mention physicians, superintendents, demons in charge of keeping the fire of Hell lit, etc. The rest of the demons were divided in legions.

Several grimoires rank demons according to titles of nobility, among them The Great Book of Saint Cyprian, Le Dragon Rouge, and The Lesser Key of Solomon.
Analysis

In Christian demonology, Hell is treated as a medieval or Renaissance earthly kingdom, and this shows the imagination of those authors that assigned titles of nobility to some demons that even had attendants, dividing the rest into legions. Perhaps the division in legions was inspired by Mark 5:9, when a demon was asked his name and answered "Legion, for we are many". The word 'legion' could have inspired the military hierarchy, and the fact that Satan was called Prince of this World more than once (i.e. in John 12:31 and 14:30) could have inspired the conception of the hellish nobility.

More, theoretically, physicians are not necessary in Hell, demons being spiritual entities. This idea seems to have been inspired by the story of the angel Raphael, "God's medicine", healing Tobias in the apocryphal Book of Tobit, but Raphael was intended to heal humans, not angels. Plutarch wrote that demons could get sick, and this may also have influenced some Christian demonologists.

Books/littrature:
Books that describe demonic hiearchies:

* Ars Goetia
* The Grimoire of Pope Honorius III
* The Pseudomonarchia Daemonum by Johann Weyer
* The Daemonologie of King James I of England
* The Lesser Key of Solomon
* Dictionnaire Infernal by Colin de Plancy

Literary works that utilised these classifications:

* Dante's The Divine Comedy
* Milton's Paradise Lost
* Robert A. Heinlein's Magic, Inc.
* James Blish's Black Easter and The Day After Judgement



And yes, it's from wikipedia. I'm not going to spoonfed anyone here.. Only let them sniffing at the roasted meat while they are hungry before kicking them out and letting them work for it.

Was it that hard to look it up? Lazy asses...
Can this topic be closed?


Edited by Dimitri (05/10/09 03:58 AM)
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#24387 - 05/10/09 01:54 PM Re: Positions in Hell? [Re: Dimitri]
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I'd forgotten all about it, actually. Why do the stupid threads always end up getting resurrected?
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