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#22322 - 03/21/09 10:30 AM UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list
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Pc Steve Bettley, of Merseyside Police, was included in the list of the far right party's entire membership register which was leaked on an internet blog.

A Merseyside Police spokeswoman said: "A Merseyside Police misconduct panel has dismissed Constable Steve Bettley after concluding he had knowingly been a member of the British National Party from March 2007 and up to March 2008."

The spokeswoman added: "In determining their findings, the panel confirmed there was no evidence that Pc Bettley had ever displayed any racist views or discriminatory behaviour in the workplace.

"The panel determined that Pc Bettley's membership of the BNP is a clear breach of lawful orders and police regulations as the party's views are incompatible with the duties and values of the Police Service."

Since police officers are called "Pc", this seems to add a whole new spin to the idea of the "PC Police".

I believe this story may be of particular interest to Fist, among others.

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#22323 - 03/21/09 10:55 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Meq]
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Wow...I hope Bettley takes Merseyside to court. Firing him for being a member of a radical party is sheer discrimination, especially if he's had a clean track record and has done a good job as an officer.
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#22331 - 03/21/09 08:20 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Nemesis]
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The BNP are considered a bunch of neo-Nazi, fascist extremists by the general public. I am surprised that the police force would take such a hard line on Party membership, though.

Also note that this officer denies knowingly being a member - the information was gleaned from a LEAKED Internet blog. The result? Instant dismissal.

Something smells a bit fishy here... I must admit I had to check my calendar to see if it wasn't April 1st already...

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#22338 - 03/22/09 12:17 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Meq]
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Here in the US, I'm not sure they could fire some one simply for being a member of a radical organization, provided that said organization isn't on some terrorist watch list or the like. That's not to say that they might try to find or fabricate a reason for firing.
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#22339 - 03/22/09 01:20 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: dgarman]
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Overall, I believe that it's a bad idea to officially join any group with a bad reputation. You don't want your name on a roster that could be used against you. For instance: NAMBLA, The KKK, and even joining an official Satanist church. Having your name on a list with a bad rep, whether that reputation is true or not, can be dangerous.
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#22342 - 03/22/09 01:49 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: dgarman]
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They can fire someone for any reason they like, here in The South...it's a bunch of "right to work" states.

Doesn't mean that it'll hold up in court, but most people wont try to fight it.

I worked a job while pregnant...and they tried to fire me due to side effects of being pregnant after I had already established myself as a worker. They couldn't get away with that so instead they moved me to a job that I freakin' HATED.

My manfriend is PD and he has alluded to the fact that if anyone ever found out about my - quote - philosophy - end quote - that he would be forced to either denounce me or lose his job. So I totally understand. It's a complete fuckin' shame when one has to be in the closet and be oh-so-careful just so that one can keep one's job...

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#22343 - 03/22/09 01:51 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: ShadowsAndVapors]
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believe that it's a bad idea to officially join any group with a bad reputation. You don't want your name on a roster that could be used against you. For instance: NAMBLA, The KKK, and even joining an official Satanist church. Having your name on a list with a bad rep, whether that reputation is true or not, can be dangerous.


Agreed totally....no matter what your beliefs are..if you side wiht the minority ,you are better off siding silently because to side aloud might cost you your livelihood.

YOu have to think about you and yours first.

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#22355 - 03/22/09 03:20 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
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believe that it's a bad idea to officially join any group with a bad reputation. You don't want your name on a roster that could be used against you. For instance: NAMBLA, The KKK, and even joining an official Satanist church. Having your name on a list with a bad rep, whether that reputation is true or not, can be dangerous.


Agreed totally....no matter what your beliefs are..if you side wiht the minority ,you are better off siding silently because to side aloud might cost you your livelihood.

YOu have to think about you and yours first.


I agree as well. When siding with the minority, one must really learn to pick there battles, and amongst whom and to what extent we can talk about our philosophies and affiliations. There is a time and a place for these kinds of things, and usually the workplace isn't it.
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#22768 - 04/01/09 09:34 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: dgarman]
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At one time, I would have laughed at this sort of news article (All thanks to my Socialist friend, of whom is a stubborn idiot that will try and guilt people into thinking how he does...). Now, I'm not so sure what to think of it all. I think my political views these days are starting to sway towards pure BNP ethics, rather than some pipe-dream that these Socialist morons cooked up.
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#23194 - 04/11/09 12:22 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
At one time, I would have laughed at this sort of news article (All thanks to my Socialist friend, of whom is a stubborn idiot that will try and guilt people into thinking how he does...). Now, I'm not so sure what to think of it all. I think my political views these days are starting to sway towards pure BNP ethics, rather than some pipe-dream that these Socialist morons cooked up.


I have to ask, is that based purely upon thier disdain for Islam and the disgusting patriarcal culture that has been brought over from the sub-continet? Because if not man, you are buying into a geo-political view that, first and foremost, originaly evolved from national socialism, the single most insidious form of fascism. Express these completely valid points away from these fucking facists in dinner jackets, otherwise, you're part of the fucking problem.

The human genome has shown that there is fuck all difference in race, ethnicity etc. The BNP are ethno-nationalists, the same as every other extreme right party of thier ilk in europe. All these arseholes have advocated is the deportation of anycunt with a slight tan and disagreeing with "Family values" (vomit) ie, anyone that wants anyhing other than straight, 3-second long, "lie back and think of blighty, Maggie!" sex. Everycunt else, they're fucked. They don't represent freedom. They're christians. A bawhair off British Israelism at that. Either Take your grievances to the current bigwig or take direct action. If not. Leave it. These wankers wont accept you either. They bother yahwe on a regular basis.


Edited by EwanCS (04/11/09 12:28 AM)

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#23203 - 04/11/09 10:14 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: EwanCS]
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It isn't about geo-politics as much as it is about culture and more important; about options. If I'd go gambling with dice,and I'd had to throw more than a five, it is a nice idea to dream about having a 20-sider but sadly, reality limited dices to 6 sides. So I'll have to work with what is available.

It's the same with politics. There are, on average, two options in most western countries. Either one that is egalitarian and embraces everything under the banner that we all are good and special as we are, and that differences is nothing but a matter of perspective, or one supports the idea that there is an actual difference between people and cultures and that there is worthy and unworthy. In the end, no matter how many flaws my culture has, I do prefer my culture more than other cultures out there. It has less to do with racism than it has to do with values. So I promote 'western civilization' to become Imperial again, to have pride in accomplishments instead of being forced into some monster that should feel guilt about everything.

So if supporting some flawed organization that tries to cut out the cancer is what has to be done, I prefer it immensely above supporting one that weakens the immune system to begin with. Leftism is like AIDS, it might not kill you but it sure weakens you enough to have a triviality like the flu do the trick.

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#23211 - 04/11/09 04:48 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Diavolo]
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I generaly try to avoid the lables of left and right, when describing my own political views at least. I'm very left wing on some issues, very right on others, and I certainly agree with you in terms of there being inferior cultures, the backward, supersticious mysogany of the cultures of india and pakistan being proof enough of that, and certainly, the BNP touch on these issues, but that's about it. It's a slippery slope as far as that lot are concerned, and I am utterly convinced of thier fascist aspirations, given thier, and Nick Griffens origins. As far as I can see, they're nothing but neo-nazis with a slick PR man.
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#23218 - 04/11/09 08:05 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: EwanCS]
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In all fairness, I take back my statement of "swaying more towards pure BNP ethics", as quite frankly, politics is not my subject. At all.

I'm not smart enough to understand the facts from the bullshit concerning the different parties, and so I've decided to not sway in ANY political direction and say "fuck you" to all the political parties.

Why? I have no confidence in any of them. Even the Socialists that claim that they have the best idea concerning how to get the best deal for absolutely everyone. All the political systems fuck up potentially awesome things in my opinion.

So yeah, I'm sitting the political debates out.
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#23222 - 04/11/09 09:58 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: DistroyA]
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No loss. I've never met a BNP member that wasn't a fucking cunt.
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#23233 - 04/12/09 03:45 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: DistroyA]
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So there is this guy that daily walks his dog in front of my house. Each day, right in front of my door, the dog takes a crap. Each morning when I leave my house, I step into the dog shit and curse the guy and his dog.

Now I do have a lot of options ranging from shooting the guy, his dog, trying to convince him, calling the cops, up to completely ignoring it and walk through the crap unaffected. Of all the options, the worst of all is each day again wipe the shit of my shoes and each day again rage and rant about it. It is THE most unworthy option, as close as ranting to god about the great injustice done on Earth.

We don't rant against god. We take a fucking gun and climb that fucking hill towards him and pop his fucking brain out. And even if the hill is high and our gun only a pellet gun, it should not stop us from attempting anyways. Submitting and enduring is not a part of our personalities.

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