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#22322 - 03/21/09 10:30 AM UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list
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Pc Steve Bettley, of Merseyside Police, was included in the list of the far right party's entire membership register which was leaked on an internet blog.

A Merseyside Police spokeswoman said: "A Merseyside Police misconduct panel has dismissed Constable Steve Bettley after concluding he had knowingly been a member of the British National Party from March 2007 and up to March 2008."

The spokeswoman added: "In determining their findings, the panel confirmed there was no evidence that Pc Bettley had ever displayed any racist views or discriminatory behaviour in the workplace.

"The panel determined that Pc Bettley's membership of the BNP is a clear breach of lawful orders and police regulations as the party's views are incompatible with the duties and values of the Police Service."

Since police officers are called "Pc", this seems to add a whole new spin to the idea of the "PC Police".

I believe this story may be of particular interest to Fist, among others.

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#22323 - 03/21/09 10:55 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Meq]
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Wow...I hope Bettley takes Merseyside to court. Firing him for being a member of a radical party is sheer discrimination, especially if he's had a clean track record and has done a good job as an officer.
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#22331 - 03/21/09 08:20 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Nemesis]
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The BNP are considered a bunch of neo-Nazi, fascist extremists by the general public. I am surprised that the police force would take such a hard line on Party membership, though.

Also note that this officer denies knowingly being a member - the information was gleaned from a LEAKED Internet blog. The result? Instant dismissal.

Something smells a bit fishy here... I must admit I had to check my calendar to see if it wasn't April 1st already...

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#22338 - 03/22/09 12:17 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Meq]
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Here in the US, I'm not sure they could fire some one simply for being a member of a radical organization, provided that said organization isn't on some terrorist watch list or the like. That's not to say that they might try to find or fabricate a reason for firing.
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#22339 - 03/22/09 01:20 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: dgarman]
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Overall, I believe that it's a bad idea to officially join any group with a bad reputation. You don't want your name on a roster that could be used against you. For instance: NAMBLA, The KKK, and even joining an official Satanist church. Having your name on a list with a bad rep, whether that reputation is true or not, can be dangerous.
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#22342 - 03/22/09 01:49 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: dgarman]
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They can fire someone for any reason they like, here in The South...it's a bunch of "right to work" states.

Doesn't mean that it'll hold up in court, but most people wont try to fight it.

I worked a job while pregnant...and they tried to fire me due to side effects of being pregnant after I had already established myself as a worker. They couldn't get away with that so instead they moved me to a job that I freakin' HATED.

My manfriend is PD and he has alluded to the fact that if anyone ever found out about my - quote - philosophy - end quote - that he would be forced to either denounce me or lose his job. So I totally understand. It's a complete fuckin' shame when one has to be in the closet and be oh-so-careful just so that one can keep one's job...

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#22343 - 03/22/09 01:51 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: ShadowsAndVapors]
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believe that it's a bad idea to officially join any group with a bad reputation. You don't want your name on a roster that could be used against you. For instance: NAMBLA, The KKK, and even joining an official Satanist church. Having your name on a list with a bad rep, whether that reputation is true or not, can be dangerous.


Agreed totally....no matter what your beliefs are..if you side wiht the minority ,you are better off siding silently because to side aloud might cost you your livelihood.

YOu have to think about you and yours first.

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#22355 - 03/22/09 03:20 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: ceruleansteel]
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 Originally Posted By: ceruleansteel
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believe that it's a bad idea to officially join any group with a bad reputation. You don't want your name on a roster that could be used against you. For instance: NAMBLA, The KKK, and even joining an official Satanist church. Having your name on a list with a bad rep, whether that reputation is true or not, can be dangerous.


Agreed totally....no matter what your beliefs are..if you side wiht the minority ,you are better off siding silently because to side aloud might cost you your livelihood.

YOu have to think about you and yours first.


I agree as well. When siding with the minority, one must really learn to pick there battles, and amongst whom and to what extent we can talk about our philosophies and affiliations. There is a time and a place for these kinds of things, and usually the workplace isn't it.
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#22768 - 04/01/09 09:34 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: dgarman]
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At one time, I would have laughed at this sort of news article (All thanks to my Socialist friend, of whom is a stubborn idiot that will try and guilt people into thinking how he does...). Now, I'm not so sure what to think of it all. I think my political views these days are starting to sway towards pure BNP ethics, rather than some pipe-dream that these Socialist morons cooked up.
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#23194 - 04/11/09 12:22 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: DistroyA]
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 Originally Posted By: DistroyA
At one time, I would have laughed at this sort of news article (All thanks to my Socialist friend, of whom is a stubborn idiot that will try and guilt people into thinking how he does...). Now, I'm not so sure what to think of it all. I think my political views these days are starting to sway towards pure BNP ethics, rather than some pipe-dream that these Socialist morons cooked up.


I have to ask, is that based purely upon thier disdain for Islam and the disgusting patriarcal culture that has been brought over from the sub-continet? Because if not man, you are buying into a geo-political view that, first and foremost, originaly evolved from national socialism, the single most insidious form of fascism. Express these completely valid points away from these fucking facists in dinner jackets, otherwise, you're part of the fucking problem.

The human genome has shown that there is fuck all difference in race, ethnicity etc. The BNP are ethno-nationalists, the same as every other extreme right party of thier ilk in europe. All these arseholes have advocated is the deportation of anycunt with a slight tan and disagreeing with "Family values" (vomit) ie, anyone that wants anyhing other than straight, 3-second long, "lie back and think of blighty, Maggie!" sex. Everycunt else, they're fucked. They don't represent freedom. They're christians. A bawhair off British Israelism at that. Either Take your grievances to the current bigwig or take direct action. If not. Leave it. These wankers wont accept you either. They bother yahwe on a regular basis.


Edited by EwanCS (04/11/09 12:28 AM)

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#23203 - 04/11/09 10:14 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: EwanCS]
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It isn't about geo-politics as much as it is about culture and more important; about options. If I'd go gambling with dice,and I'd had to throw more than a five, it is a nice idea to dream about having a 20-sider but sadly, reality limited dices to 6 sides. So I'll have to work with what is available.

It's the same with politics. There are, on average, two options in most western countries. Either one that is egalitarian and embraces everything under the banner that we all are good and special as we are, and that differences is nothing but a matter of perspective, or one supports the idea that there is an actual difference between people and cultures and that there is worthy and unworthy. In the end, no matter how many flaws my culture has, I do prefer my culture more than other cultures out there. It has less to do with racism than it has to do with values. So I promote 'western civilization' to become Imperial again, to have pride in accomplishments instead of being forced into some monster that should feel guilt about everything.

So if supporting some flawed organization that tries to cut out the cancer is what has to be done, I prefer it immensely above supporting one that weakens the immune system to begin with. Leftism is like AIDS, it might not kill you but it sure weakens you enough to have a triviality like the flu do the trick.

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#23211 - 04/11/09 04:48 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Diavolo]
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I generaly try to avoid the lables of left and right, when describing my own political views at least. I'm very left wing on some issues, very right on others, and I certainly agree with you in terms of there being inferior cultures, the backward, supersticious mysogany of the cultures of india and pakistan being proof enough of that, and certainly, the BNP touch on these issues, but that's about it. It's a slippery slope as far as that lot are concerned, and I am utterly convinced of thier fascist aspirations, given thier, and Nick Griffens origins. As far as I can see, they're nothing but neo-nazis with a slick PR man.
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#23218 - 04/11/09 08:05 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: EwanCS]
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In all fairness, I take back my statement of "swaying more towards pure BNP ethics", as quite frankly, politics is not my subject. At all.

I'm not smart enough to understand the facts from the bullshit concerning the different parties, and so I've decided to not sway in ANY political direction and say "fuck you" to all the political parties.

Why? I have no confidence in any of them. Even the Socialists that claim that they have the best idea concerning how to get the best deal for absolutely everyone. All the political systems fuck up potentially awesome things in my opinion.

So yeah, I'm sitting the political debates out.
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#23222 - 04/11/09 09:58 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: DistroyA]
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No loss. I've never met a BNP member that wasn't a fucking cunt.
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#23233 - 04/12/09 03:45 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: DistroyA]
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So there is this guy that daily walks his dog in front of my house. Each day, right in front of my door, the dog takes a crap. Each morning when I leave my house, I step into the dog shit and curse the guy and his dog.

Now I do have a lot of options ranging from shooting the guy, his dog, trying to convince him, calling the cops, up to completely ignoring it and walk through the crap unaffected. Of all the options, the worst of all is each day again wipe the shit of my shoes and each day again rage and rant about it. It is THE most unworthy option, as close as ranting to god about the great injustice done on Earth.

We don't rant against god. We take a fucking gun and climb that fucking hill towards him and pop his fucking brain out. And even if the hill is high and our gun only a pellet gun, it should not stop us from attempting anyways. Submitting and enduring is not a part of our personalities.

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#23245 - 04/12/09 03:07 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo

We don't rant against god. We take a fucking gun and climb that fucking hill towards him and pop his fucking brain out. And even if the hill is high and our gun only a pellet gun, it should not stop us from attempting anyways. Submitting and enduring is not a part of our personalities.
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Bravery from a distance... good choice. Submission still, because the guy still must walk his dog, it still must crap on your sidewalk and you still must endure it, but you took the anonymous step to make the man a victim in the eyes of others, and his anonymous attacker a coward for his long distance assault.

Yes I know, I know. "I'll shoot him every day until he gets the idea." And you'll still make him a victim and yourself the anonymous coward.

Why not step to the end of your steps and confront the man straight on? "Sir, you have allowed your dog to defile my walkway on several occasions, and on more than one, it's been the cause of its crap to get on my shoes. I'm going to have to insist that you either clean up after your dog, or alternatively, walk it somewhere where its excrement will not be an issue."

"Yeah, so what are you going to do if I DON'T?"

"Well, first, I'm going to make a civil complaint for public nuisance. If that doesn't work, I will personally kick your ass each time you foul my walkway and don't clean it up. If that doesn't work, then you don't even want to contemplate my next actions."

At this point, the clod has three options. He can ignore, he can comply, or he can fight. You then have the responsibility to stand your ground and enforce your rights. It's a manly thing to do, probably a bit more satisfying than hiding on a hill and pretending to be some righteous vigilante.
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#23261 - 04/12/09 05:08 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Jake999]
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You didn't use your reading glasses Jake?

Maybe you should reread the first part where I talked about a multitude of options, then maybe consider the second part was metaphorically.

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#25381 - 06/05/09 12:21 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Diavolo]
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The BNP are just a group of racist thugs making the transition to being a racist political party. Those who suffer from group closure overload vote for them looking to punish people they have scapegoated; to answer for their own problems. Simplistic nonsense. The copper knew he was not allowed to join the BNP or a trade union, they were not allowed to join the Communist Party of Great Britain either when it existed. It is the same for the armed forces. He made the decisions now he has to accept the consequences.

Edited by satipera (06/05/09 12:37 PM)
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#25596 - 06/13/09 01:13 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: satipera]
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 Originally Posted By: satipera
The BNP are just a group of racist thugs making the transition to being a racist political party.

This is a common attitude in the UK.
Although the BNP won 2 seats in the European elections, I cannot see them becoming a major competitor to the main parties. PC (Political Correctness) currently rules.

They may have a role in shifting the populace' attitudes towards immigration, however.

The BNP leader Nick Griffin got pelted with eggs recently during a press conference.
I thought this thread would be the best place for this:


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#25755 - 06/18/09 06:38 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Meq]
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It doesn't matter what political party you support, in the UK, legally, you shouldn't be treated differently because of it in the workplace. It's entirely illegal to have fired that officer and I hate this. I can't stand the BNP policies, they're all fear and prejudice based but it shouldn't effect the job status of any member.
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#26257 - 06/25/09 06:02 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I have been asked about this thread a few times so I will offer some general comments:

1) Know your operational environment. The UK stopped being a free country many years ago. George Orwell was right. Nearly everything he predicted has come true in the UK. The cop was guilty of a Thought Crime and Big Brother acted accordingly.

2) The BNP is the last best hope for the UK. In a generation (that's 25 years kids!) the UK will be a Muslim country. Muslims are already seeking to exempt themselves from British Law and establish their own Sharia courts.

3) The BNP represents middle and working class whites (who built the nation) who are sick of watching their country being destroyed. And, they are tired of watching Britain's youth abandon their own culture in favor of the vastly inferior culture of the black ghetto. Sasha Baron Cohen's "Ali-G" is the illustration of this sort of cultural suicide.

4) It's called 'backlash' kids. The Left has driven the nation's of Europe so far in their direction that Europe can only Right. And of course, anyone who expresses any dissenting opinion is branded a 'racist' or 'right wing kook.' It is the old anti-intellectual Ad Hominem attack (as seen here: http://www.the600club.com/topic26094-1.html )

5) What is interesting to note, is that the 'egging' of a BNP member is seen as appropriate. When the rolls are reversed the media portrays the story as "Right Wing Skinheads savagely attack peaceful protesters." Again, the BNP are guilty of Thought Crimes and all such attacks are justified. And heavens forbid they defend themselves!

6) What do Anton Long, the ONA, Combat 18, and the BNP all have in common? Chew on that for a while....

7) Nationalist parties are on the rise throughout Europe. Anyone ever stop to think why?
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#26259 - 06/25/09 06:23 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Fist]
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The BNP are nothing but racist and hetrosexists. They would want to make anyone who isn't white, regardless of if they're British, no longer classed as citizens. They would make homosexuality illegal. They would make attending Christian church mandatory. This is the BNP for you, I've read their proposals. They get the "scared of immigration" vote because no-one checks their policies.

If you're in support of UK culture and ideals but not a racist, hetrosexist or fundie Christian you're better off voting UKIP. Hell, even conservative would be better than labour or liberal democrats when it comes to the Islam issue. Saying that conservatives would likely fuck up our NHS, Police and DHSS systems, and privatize out economy more, keep the rich rich and the poor poor.
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#74437 - 01/14/13 09:57 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Over 3 and a half years on, I thought I'd offer some thoughts about the status of the relevant politics in the UK today.

Put simply, the BNP is a dead force now. Nationalism is still alive and well in Continental Europe, but in the UK no longer has any political clout. UKIP has achieved more popularity in terms of a party with a similar stance on immigration, and are now vying for third place in the UK with the Liberal Democrats, whose popularity plummeted in their current coalition with the Conservative Party.

This coalition has proven an extremely unpopular government led by Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, with Liberal Democrat Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg as second in command. Student tuition fees were trebled and austerity measures were ruthless. At this point, both parties are in serious trouble.

As for the outcome of the UK 2015 General Election, the result is almost certain now.
From a Convervative newspaper: It's two years away, but the 2015 election is already lost.

The UK is forecasted a major swing back to the Left, under a majority Labour government from 2015 featuring the highly left wing Ed Miliband as the next Prime Minister.
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#74447 - 01/14/13 11:54 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: MuppetSlayer]
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Interesting. Lib-Dems + Tories is an odd coalition to begin with. Sounds like it is collapsing. From what I understand, the Lib-Dems had previously been positioned to the left of Labour.

Do you hear much about the Scottish Independence Referendum ? I caught that on the news. I'm not sure what effect it would have overall in Europe. I take it Scotland would be a separate EU member. If the referendum passes, would it effect the GBP? The Scottish National Party obtained a majority in the Scottish Parliament, so I would expect it to be a robust campaign. The vote will probably be close.


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#74458 - 01/14/13 02:31 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Le Deluge]
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The Lib-Dems are further right than Labour, up to the centre by British standards. Nick Clegg made a mockery of himself by promising not to raise student tuition fees, before David Cameron overruled his policy and trebled fees to £9000/yr. That, and other blunders, destroyed both Clegg's and the Lib-Dem's credibility. They were accused of getting into bed with the Tories for a power grab, being a sell-out and lacking integrity in the coalition. Lib-Dems may even fall to 4th place after UKIP.

The Conservative Party, predominantly, has been implementing its centre-right policies in the UK over the last 2 and a half years. The essential voter base are now thoroughly pissed off by what they perceive as the excessively harsh austerity measures they have been enduring under mostly Tory rule. The UK, like America, is still predominantly a two-party system. So, given the quasi-democratic process offered, it looks like Labour will be next.
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#74459 - 01/14/13 03:08 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: MuppetSlayer]
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Ah k. Thanks for the clarification. Do you have any hope for Labour improving matters? That does sound like a significant change regarding tuition. Here in the states, I suspect we're all getting tired of both parties (regardless of our own political philosophies). I hope things improve in the UK.
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#74462 - 01/14/13 03:54 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Le Deluge]
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The UK is now just over halfway through the ConDems' rule. Although it still has a long way to go, it is now highly unlikely that the current government will be able to sway the outcome of the next election from the forecast. Most likely, the austerity measures will continue, however.

A friend of mine lost his job as a public sector IT worker right after the ConDems took power, immediately slashed public funding, and he was made redundant. There are many thousands of cases just like this. Many people with physical or mental disabilities found their support slashed, and tough new welfare regulations were introduced (including forced unpaid labour for anyone unable to work but judged capable of work-related activity). The radical welfare reforms were actually drawn up by the previous Labour government, but implemented with gusto by the Tories.

As for whether a Labour government will do much better. Sure, in the short term it could provide a band-aid to the more needy and vulnerable members of society by expanding public funding. The last Labour government, however, pissed away the national budget and let the country into a huge deficit. And both Labour and the Tories are the kind of slimy sleazeballs maintaining the status quo of a two-party system to suit them both.

The UK was hit very hard by the world financial crisis in 2008, which led to the worst national recession in recent history and the Pound Sterling dropping in value from US $2.0 to US $1.4. It has barely recovered since. Although international factors were at play, the UK weathered the storm pretty badly. The fiscal concerns, and concern over the national deficit, opened the way for the current Tory-led government to replace the last Labour one.
Wikipedia: United Kingdom general election, 2010

To me, it looks like it'll be the same back-and-forth bullshit over the next 50 years at least.
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#75795 - 04/07/13 02:35 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: dgarman]
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I'm not sure how it would work in the case of a police officer. They might be allowed to fire you if your a member of an organization that advocates illegal activity since it's police, I'm not sure on that though.

Either way though, your right. They would just find another reason, something that they could fire you for, or make one up.

If it's being turned down for a job, it's extremely easy for them to get around discrimination. They can easily come up with a reason why they didn't hire you. With firing somebody, it's harder however if a boss really wants to fire you, they can usually find a reason.

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#75797 - 04/07/13 03:20 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: 334forwardspin]
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This is the same kind of crap that goes on in the US. I taught the public schools of Texas for ten years. Twice I heard of a teacher being fired because it was found out they belong to satanic organizations.
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#75798 - 04/07/13 05:13 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: evilboy666]
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Really, that's pretty fucked up stuff. What organizations did they belong to?

It does go on though, can't say I'm surprised especially in the bible belt area.

I hear employers even check social networking pages when hiring people. It's bad enough that they'd fire a Satanist from a job teaching, but sometimes they do that even for an entry level job. Why the hell would anyone even care about that, what do they think, that people care who if a Satanist is at the register, lol.

Thankfully, certain jobs care less about that than others.

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#80101 - 09/01/13 04:03 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Meq]
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Pc Steve Bettley, of Merseyside Police, was included in the list of the far right party's entire membership register which was leaked on an internet blog.

A Merseyside Police spokeswoman said: "A Merseyside Police misconduct panel has dismissed Constable Steve Bettley after concluding he had knowingly been a member of the British National Party from March 2007 and up to March 2008."

The spokeswoman added: "In determining their findings, the panel confirmed there was no evidence that Pc Bettley had ever displayed any racist views or discriminatory behaviour in the workplace.

"The panel determined that Pc Bettley's membership of the BNP is a clear breach of lawful orders and police regulations as the party's views are incompatible with the duties and values of the Police Service."


Weird politics. Is the BNP an illegal political party? Does the Merseyside Misconduct Panel just arbitrarily fire cops for their political affiliations? What about religious?

BNP Website, a cursory review of the site didn't reveal any rhetoric that would deem this officer's participation in flux with his duties. Since the panel concluded that he didn't display any insubordination, his name on a blogger list did what exactly?

The original article appears to have been taken down from the reporting site. I did find THIS version of the article published on Liverpool News.

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Active police are banned from joining or promoting the BNP.

Dad-of-two PC Bettley's wife Yvette, 43, is also on the list.

Mr Bettley, who was biefly the driver of Chief Constable Bernard Hogan Howe, has denied being party member and will appeal against his dismissal.

A Merseyside Police spokeswoman said: "A police misconduct panel has dismissed Constable Steve Bettley after concluding he had knowingly been a member of the British National Party from March 2007 and up to March 2008."


I realize the article is old, I couldn't find any follow-up on his appeal. I wonder what they are considering 'membership'. According to the BNP website, much of the content offered there you must 'sign up' to receive. If he was briefly a member (1 year), I wonder if his name was taken off a subscription list.

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Throughout the inquiry Merseyside Police consulted with the Black Police Association and the Independent Advisory Group.

Ian Leyland, secretary of the Merseyside Police Federation which represented Pc Bettley at the misconduct hearings, said Mr Bettley accepted his name was on the BNP list but he denied being a member of the party.


If the public consensus is that the BNP has racist ideologies, consulting with the 'Black Police Association', doesn't sound as if he received a fair shake.

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He said Mr Bettley was enrolled in the party by a family member without his knowledge and he planned to appeal against the dismissal.

"We are disappointed with the finding and sanction of the Misconduct Panel and do not believe that there is any evidence presented to the panel which would indicate that he was knowingly a member of the BNP," Mr Leyland said.


Anyone can sign you up for anything, especially with Internet sign-ups. Wouldn't the burden of proof be on the panel to prove that he was an active member? That, and the criminality of being a member of the BNP. It appears that there is a policy written on this for employment but I wonder, did he sign anything stating that he would not affiliate with the BNP? If it's grounds for termination, perhaps a disgruntled family member knew this and sabotaged his career.
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#80103 - 09/01/13 05:24 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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British National Party leader Nick Griffin paid a kind visit to Syria, receiving his invite from President Assad himself. Once again Mr Griffin is willing to put his life on the line to prevent David Cameron's regime and prevent ZOG malfeasance from committing war crimes in the name of Great Britain.

Edit: Cameron means "crooked nose".


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#80105 - 09/01/13 08:27 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Deofol]
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I found this debate circa 2009: Nick Griffin on BBC

What it appears the BBC is attempting to do here, is take Griffin's ideologies out of context. When speaking of taking the 'minority' out of Britain, he was framing it in the context of resistance to allowing Britain to be dominated by Islamo-politics, making too many compromises which blurs British identity, and opening the door for the minority rule.

When needling the guy on his past Holocaust Denial, there's plenty of people that have changed their minds in lieu of new perspectives of the evidence presented during the Nuremberg Trials. Holocaust Denial has become a bucket term for any ideology that challenges the data. If the statistics were inflated and a person questioned the number and/or minority groups killed, well then you're a Holocaust Denier. If particular statements were made such as every Nazi Commander had a bar of soap and a lampshade made from Jews were questioned and disputed, then you're a Holocaust Denier. You know how that goes, people need villains in order to maintain a consensus. Inquisitors are easy prey.

In addition, Laws Against Holocaust Denial force people into walking on eggshells when voicing their skepticism.

On the bit where Griffin is considered guilty by association, having shared a platform with the KKK, he's called a Bullshitter. Even if Griffin is explaining that he shared a platform sure but he's also regarded as a sell out by the KKK, it won't matter. The panel is working the crowd.

In various points during the debate, he's asked questions but not allowed to finish answering them. The panel continuously interrupts him with rebuttals and insults.

The 'Whites Only' membership will be framed as having a racist agenda well because that's old world mentality. If you start a Political Party, it should fall in line with the dominating social politics of equality. It's not going to be favorable with those that follow the new doctrine.


Nick Griffin responds to the 'Lynch Mob'. I also found a clip of the Protest.

The way I see it, Griffin is acting as the Satan and his ideas aren't favorable to the mass. Question is, are they unfavorable because his ideas don't hold water or because the Media circus has been used as a platform for creating a Devil?

2012, BBC Daily Politics.

Same shtik, immediately they go at him about his Holocaust Denial, and hatred towards minority races.

2013 Griffin on EDL. He makes some valid points. Especially in the area of justification for an increase of police force, maybe even a curfew enforced to keep citizens off the streets should the shit hit the fan from a lack of action to prevent radicals from inciting widespread violence.




Fingermen anyone?
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#80114 - 09/01/13 06:15 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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I used to be a member of the bnp a few years ago sin. The have fell apart big time now split up into about 50 different smaller factions and newer political groups eg the british democratic party and the english democrats.

UKIP seem to have took all the votes off the bnp. UKIP are mostly known as an anti-european union party and are portrayed as a respectable political party whereas the bnp have found it hard to shake off the past racist element and allegations some of which you have mentioned.

The bnp believe that UKIP are a state sponsored political party and are given up to 10 times more air time than all the other parties on election shows with the sole aim to finish the bnp off.
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#80115 - 09/01/13 06:27 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
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Also sin someone leaked the membership list with all names and addresses on it not sure if it listed occupations but it led to all the people in jobs like the police teachers and prison service getting sacked and suspended as stated by the op.

Bad days in my book as there is a ban on the above occupations being members now so much for freedom?
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#80116 - 09/01/13 06:56 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
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UKIP on Syria, the UKIP does appear to get more favorable air time.

U.S. based National Socialist parties have the same trouble, it's the racial element that doesn't sit well with 'the people'. The ANSP (see: ANSP Radio Part 2 ), has the same problem. Any valid point made will be lost in the racial element, (See: Dreaming of a White History Month (part 1)) . They even made it to the Terrorist Trac list.
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#80118 - 09/01/13 07:48 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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Just watched the YouTube video there thanks. My political views jump from centre right to far right conservatives to bnp. I do like Nigel farage the leader of ukip I like the way he puts his self about in the European parliament and will probably vote for them now seen as the bnp have blown there chances now.

Bnp had one million people vote for them not that long ago and should have built on that. Nick Griffin got a grilling on BBC question time about all the previous baggage attached to the party instead of being able to focus on their party polices.

Personally I think that's how the voters are going ukip now
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#80119 - 09/01/13 09:34 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
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I do like Nigel farage the leader of ukip I like the way he puts his self about in the European parliament and will probably vote for them now seen as the bnp have blown there chances now.


Did you change 'teams' to speak, simply because the BNP fell out of favor? Do you think the new party has a better chance for the win, in truth?
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#80120 - 09/01/13 10:15 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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Syria is going to get hit. It will be a quagmire. If Obama receives congressional support + Turkey defends its own interests, you end up with 3-4 warring factions. Iran would lose a major ally if the regime is toppled. Buckle your seat belts.
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#80122 - 09/02/13 12:12 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Le Deluge]
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The War After the War

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Assad’s growing use of militias to fight instead of his own military suggests that not only is he losing control, but that local groups will be able to continue fighting if he’s swept from power. And the jihadization of Syria’s resistance movement also suggests that the war-after-this will be even more brutal as time moves on.

Yet the biggest question of all -- can a U.S.-led military strike improve the situation inside the country? -- remains unanswered.


It's all a freak-out over Chemical Weapons use. The casualties are small in number, no more than a typical week in the civil war in Syria.

It's all fear-mongering bullshit, people are terrified of Jihadization. It's their struggle, let them mash it out. This 'crisis' is just another crisis isn't it? One after another, after another. In terms of International Interest, why the U.S. gets involved is masked as Diplomatic Relations but psh, when was the last time one of these countries offered 'us' foreign aid and picked up the tab?
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#80125 - 09/02/13 01:05 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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I doubt it will do much beyond shifting the momentum. They may take out the chemical weapons, they may not get them all. The refugees fleeing into Jordan will present a problem for the Hashemite Kingdom. Egypt and Turkey both will have interests to protect along the borders. I doubt the US will be in long enough to do much beyond hit the chemical weapons that can be found. The Assads were historically a counterweight to jihad. I suspect they'll just end up with someone akin to General al-Sisi in Egypt.
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#80128 - 09/02/13 07:40 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
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Surely JTF being a jock you'll be more interested in the National Socialist policies of the lovely Mr Salmond?

Dye his hair black & paint on a little tash, he's almost a ringer!
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#80131 - 09/02/13 08:27 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Le Deluge]
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Assad invited Nick Griffin personally, here's a clip of his reporting about the rebel army: LINK and an interview with detainees later: LINK.

Questions regarding Assad's Military Actions: HERE with transcript HERE.

U.S. Assessment of Chemical Weapons Use, excerpt:

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A preliminary U.S. government assessment determined that 1,429 people were killed in the chemical weapons attack, including at least 426 children, though this assessment will certainly evolve as we obtain more information.

We assess with high confidence that the Syrian government carried out the chemical weapons attack against opposition elements in the Damascus suburbs on August 21. We assess that the scenario in which the opposition executed the attack on August 21 is highly unlikely. The body of information used to make this assessment includes intelligence pertaining to the regime’s preparations for this attack and its means of delivery, multiple streams of intelligence about the attack itself and its effect, our post-attack observations, and the differences between the capabilities of the regime and the opposition.


Putin comments:

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Mr Putin said: "I am convinced that it (the chemical attack) is nothing more than a provocation by those who want to drag other countries into the Syrian conflict, and who want to win the support of powerful members of the international arena, especially the United States."


Assad:

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The Assad regime has denied using chemical weapons, saying the assault was carried out by rebels, and dismissed the US report as "entirely fabricated".

President Obama is preparing for a possible military strike in response to the attack, with senior officials from his administration due to hold unclassified conference calls with Republican and Democratic senators on Saturday.

He said he has not made a final decision on attacking Syria but was mulling a "narrow and limited" strike.


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The U.S. already has warships in place in the eastern Mediterranean Sea near Syria's coastal waters. The vessels are armed with cruise missiles, long a first-line weapon of choice for presidents because they can strike distant targets without need of air cover or troops on the ground.

The Syrian government dismissed the administration's claims as "flagrant lies" akin to faulty Bush administration assertions before the Iraq invasion that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. A Foreign Ministry statement read on state television late Friday said that "under the pretext of protecting the Syrian people, they are making a case for an aggression that will kill hundreds of innocent Syrian civilians."


See, that's the thing. When foreign nations get involved in conflicts in other countries, they purport to have all the facts, then its later reported that they were misled by 'Intelligence'. How reliable is that information and how does shooting missiles into Syria not exacerbate matters?
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#80134 - 09/02/13 10:02 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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Personally, I am a non-interventionist. I don't believe it is in the national interest of the United States to intervene in Syria. I'm also a realist as to how the realpolitick plays out. I would be surprised if airstrikes were not forthcoming. Statements made by Assad and Putin are moot. I suspect Turkey and Egypt will play key roles moving forward.
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#80136 - 09/02/13 10:33 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Le Deluge]
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From what I've seen so far, it looks the the U.S. already made that decision. All the media reporting is just preparing 'the people' for the air-strike to occur. The U.S. sure likes to flex its proverbial muscles at any given opportunity. Perhaps a strategy in saying: "Deficit? Debit? Psh, we'll pay our bills when we say so. We have big guns. What are you gonna do about it?"
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#80137 - 09/02/13 02:28 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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Fear mongering is most assuredly part of this. Sensationalism is needed to sell it, otherwise there would be no pressing need to intervene in the eyes of most. I think the motive is just as much a show of might as it is an attempt to strike at Iran via Syria. The unspoken goal is to lessen Iranian influence in the region. What is bad for Iran is good for Israel. What hurts Iran protects our trading partners in the region.

The 2008 US Army-funded RAND report may point to the existence of an ongoing effort to perpetuate unrest throughout the Middle East.

" US leaders could also choose to capitalize on the 'Sustained Shia-Sunni Conflict' trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world.... possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuingly hostile Iran." Key word: Iran.

Yet again this all drips with oil. Although Dubai has diversified in to a business and tourism hub, it is still an oil driven environment. Iran has plans to bypass some major players with the Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline, gain access to Mediterranean markets, and deal a major blow to the US and Israel all with a single link. Capping, or at the very least inhibiting, the viability of the pipeline seems appropriate. Just needed a reason.

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#80138 - 09/02/13 02:40 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: SIN3]
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I do like Nigel farage the leader of ukip I like the way he puts his self about in the European parliament and will probably vote for them now seen as the bnp have blown there chances now.


Did you change 'teams' to speak, simply because the BNP fell out of favor? Do you think the new party has a better chance for the win, in truth?


Yes I jumped to ukip but I also like the British democratic party. Andrew Brons I think is better to take the British nationalists forward than Griffin.

UKIP are more electable though and Nigel farage is good to watch in parliament he gives them all dogs abuse I like that -)

What about you sin do you have any political leanings over there?
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#80139 - 09/02/13 02:46 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Le Deluge]
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 Originally Posted By: Le Deluge
Syria is going to get hit. It will be a quagmire. If Obama receives congressional support + Turkey defends its own interests, you end up with 3-4 warring factions. Iran would lose a major ally if the regime is toppled. Buckle your seat belts.


Le deluge we couldn't even get the motion through to go to war alongside the US. First time that's happened from what I can remember. I think Obama will get it passed though.

It's going to get interesting and messy though the bold Assad doesn't look as if he will go quietly.
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#80140 - 09/02/13 02:52 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: when7iseleven]
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Surely JTF being a jock you'll be more interested in the National Socialist policies of the lovely Mr Salmond?

Dye his hair black & paint on a little tash, he's almost a ringer!


Ha brilliant -)

No I'm a unionist he's a dangerous we fat guy could wreck over 300 whatever years of tradition in a few months. Guy can do more damage to the union than the child killing Sinn Fein/Ira have ever done.
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#80143 - 09/02/13 05:22 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: CanisMachina42]
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Lemmings, I swear.

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Yet again this all drips with oil. Although Dubai has diversified in to a business and tourism hub, it is still an oil driven environment.


Among other resources yes, no doubt. The more we outsource, the more our finger is on the pulse.

In about 75 years we'll all be sitting in our rocking chairs looking at a strange new world.

Well, if WWIII doesn't happen before then that is. Nostradamus predicted it, lol
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#80149 - 09/02/13 10:19 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
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Le deluge we couldn't even get the motion through to go to war alongside the US. First time that's happened from what I can remember. I think Obama will get it passed though.

It's going to get interesting and messy though the bold Assad doesn't look as if he will go quietly.


Obama is playing a bit of politics of his own. He could have actually bombed them unilaterally and called it a "police action". LOL. That would have been an even bigger disaster. The whole thing is just ridiculous. I do think he'll win the vote. If he loses, we'll be seeing those images going into the 2014 elections. No true national interest. No end game. No point. The UK was wise not to sign up for this quagmire.
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#80150 - 09/03/13 12:01 AM A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Le Deluge]
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Obama took this to the Congress fully expecting that it will let him off the hook the way Parliament did the PM. The waters are already uncomfortably muddy, and a US hit on Syria could trigger all sorts of inconvenient consequences.

Looks like John Kerry gets to be the fall guy, riding off into the sunset singing Rambo songs and blaming the Congress for "letting the Prez down".
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#80152 - 09/03/13 12:15 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Obama took this to the Congress fully expecting that it will let him off the hook the way Parliament did the PM. The waters are already uncomfortably muddy, and a US hit on Syria could trigger all sorts of inconvenient consequences.

Looks like John Kerry gets to be the fall guy, riding off into the sunset singing Rambo songs and blaming the Congress for "letting the Prez down".


All signs are pointing to that outcome now. The Executive didn't even make an effort to present a politically viable resolution. I am definitely opposed to any intervention, but this all seems quite ridiculous (even by DC standards).
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#80155 - 09/03/13 03:15 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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Lemmings, I swear.


Sure, why not.

A similar argument could be made for those who believe this is to stir the pot of anti-jihad sentiment and distract from more pressing issues, such as debt.

Wag the dog.

I stand by 'my' assessment of underlying motivations for intervention. It is of strategic importance to limit Iran and its allies. Important to the US, Saudi Arabia, The UAE, and especially to Israel. Acknowledge it or dismiss it, Israel has and always will play a key role for US involvement in that portion of the Middle East. This will stand. Regardless of their capability to protect themselves adequately (with US supplied technology).

Strategery.

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#80156 - 09/03/13 04:13 AM Syrians in Jordan. [Re: SIN3]
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Among other resources yes, no doubt. The more we outsource, the more our finger is on the pulse.

In about 75 years we'll all be sitting in our rocking chairs looking at a strange new world.

Well, if WWIII doesn't happen before then that is. Nostradamus predicted it, lol


We may get lucky this time. Senator Paul's shot across Kerry's bow was brutal. Kerry is looking like a fall guy. The Hashemite Kingdom may well be the regime to collapse. 500K Syrians in country. It wouldn't surprise me if King Abdullah II is out of the region before Assad. The royal family of Jordan can simply apply for asylum. The country will be FUBAR within 1-2 years.


Edited by Le Deluge (09/03/13 04:34 AM)
Edit Reason: Grammatical Torture.
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#80160 - 09/03/13 07:53 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: CanisMachina42]
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, Israel has and always will play a key role for US involvement in that portion of the Middle East. This will stand. Regardless of their capability to protect themselves adequately (with US supplied technology).


Indeed, a lot of these 'events' are a spirited game of chess.

Maybe there will be a pay off later, maybe not. Either way, we are pumping out tax dollars to fund the Defense Budget.
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#80163 - 09/03/13 10:33 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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"How can you ask a man to be the last one to die for a mistake?" ~ John Kerry.

"I would ask John Kerry: How can you ask a man to be the first one to die for a mistake?" ~ Rand Paul.

The man who testified as to the lack of wisdom of the Vietnam war = The man who will take the fall for testifying as to the righteousness of the "Syrian War".
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#80165 - 09/03/13 12:17 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: CanisMachina42]
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It is of strategic importance to limit Iran and its allies. Important to the US, Saudi Arabia, The UAE, and especially to Israel.

Golly gee whiz, you're right! Too bad that didn't occur to George W. before he destroyed Iraq as a longstanding Sunni counterbalance to Shiite Iran, not to mention the sort of dictator-stabilized country the US prefers in the Mideast. Now we have an unstable, fragmented Shiite Iraq. Way to go.

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Acknowledge it or dismiss it, Israel has and always will play a key role for US involvement in that portion of the Middle East. This will stand. Regardless of their capability to protect themselves adequately (with US supplied technology).

How absolutely delightful to the United States in terms of the rest of the world's, and particularly the Arab/Islamic nations', respect and regard for us.
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#80167 - 09/03/13 12:36 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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At this point, do the arab/islamic nations bestow respect on anything other than force? I really don't see it. I do agree Bush destroyed a very intricate balance. I don't believe we can do a damn thing to get it back now. Thus, no intervention. In terms of Israel, they're better off with Assad staying in power. His replacement would not be Ataturk.
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#80169 - 09/03/13 01:02 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Le Deluge]
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At this point, do the arab/islamic nations bestow respect on anything other than force?

During the 1950s it was fashionable to accuse the USSR of respecting nothing but force. Considering what they went through in WWs 1&2, they might be excused for being a tad touchy.

Same goes for Islamic and Arab states and cultures. People everywhere would generally rather have pleasant, noncombative lives for themselves and their families. You fuck with anyone long or hard enough, he'll fuck you back, that's all.

The only solution is of course MindWar. I've instructed the government to quit screwing around and implement it.
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#80170 - 09/03/13 01:15 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Well, I definitely would agree we need to stop fucking around in the Middle East. I just don't see the US ever being in their good graces given our record to date. At best, it would take many years to reach that point. Mutual trade (beyond oil) would be a good start.
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#80178 - 09/03/13 07:57 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Le Deluge]
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I thought syria didnt have much oil mate thats how we didnt interfere. Same as wee mugabe of rwanda, nothing there worth saving so just left him to run amok.

Not checked in with the news today have use planted a few in syria yet :-)

My sister n law is away to Turkey today hope theres no stray ones !
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#80183 - 09/03/13 11:18 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Le Deluge]
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Rumor has it that this is all staged to place blame with Assad, to distract from our interference in building that new pipe-line heading to Damascus. Some reports go as far as stating that the 'chemical assault' was had by the 'rebels', it's all blah, blah, blah. Who do you believe? The Media? Official Statements? Independent Sleuths?
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#80191 - 09/04/13 06:20 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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In a case like this, one can't completely believe anyone. What do we know for sure: Syria has imploded into civil war. We really can't confirm anything else. 100K died and there has been enough shooting to go around. We shouldn't be there. Did Obama really do an about face in seeking congressional approval? We may never know. Assad as stooge? Maybe. The Syrian "opposition" are not a fun bunch of folks. We do have some verification of this via Turkey and parties that would not ordinarily take interest. Best we leave well enough alone. Not sure about oil. Syria itself has very little, but you always want to look out for the pipelines.

In short, The Gentleman from California votes no on the resolution and no to any authorization of force in Syria. There is no national interest at stake.

P.S. If anyone comes across information on Jordan from *any* source, please post. I can verify the number of refugees but little else. The King's movements have been very strange. He met with the Pope. Rumor has it assets are leaving the country.

P.P.S. Boehner and Pelosi unite behind Obama. This just gets stranger by the day.


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#80197 - 09/04/13 08:25 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Le Deluge]
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Market Trends, sure there's an interest. You can damn near set your watch to it.

See also: Pipeline to Damascus

Limbaugh buys conspiracy, Rush was ranting about the possibility of U.S. aid to set the stage for intervention in building the new pipeline.
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#80198 - 09/04/13 08:29 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
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than the child killing Sinn Fein/Ira have ever done.
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I'm not going to get embroiled in your jingoistic "they killed our children" syndrome as that's probably worth a topic of it's own, but the British handling of the Irish Question is almost a text book of how not to follow a military intervention policy in such situations. It's a shame that the only thing that can be learned from history is that we never learn from history.

As far back as Cromwell, Britain has unleashed military forces on the Irish which does nothing more than stoke up the feelings of nationalism. The British response to the Easter Uprising was to recruit a force, The Black & Tans, made up mostly of veterans of the horrors of the First World War, to terrorise what were in effect British people. Or the even closer to the present day Bloody Sunday. Bare in mind that at the time the Parachute Regiment was the crack assault force of the British Army, trained to be dropped into the front lines in any war with Russia & with a life expectancy of six hours, surely you must question why they were used in what should have been undoubtedly a policing operation. And is it to be unexpected that these events would make the Republicans think they were engaged in anything other than a war & that anything British was legitimate target?

The only reason we have relative peace in Ireland now is that Adams & McGuiness realised that they would not get there hands on what they most desired, power, by an armed struggle & the Major Government realised they could not quell republican feeling by brute force alone & both sides decided to negotiate. 300 hunderd years of what was in effect a civil war ended by a chat round a table.

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#80231 - 09/05/13 02:56 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
The only solution is of course MindWar. I've instructed the government to quit screwing around and implement it.
In the meanwhile, please Dr. Aquino, could you instruct the warmongers NOT to launch missles against Syria? I would prefer not to die in a retaliatory attack upon our vulnerable nuclear plants; nor in a traditional nuclear war against Russia, China, Pakistan, North Korea, and whichever additional BRICS nations have nukes; nor in a domestic false flag event staged to detract from Obama's various scandals.


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#80237 - 09/05/13 09:39 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Fuckin' a, yet another plug for MindWar.

Anyhoot, Putin turned up his nose to Obama in Russia this week. He's like 'Fuck that guy' and 'Fuck his politics too'.

Obama is trying to sell the Syrian strike hard-core, it's all Red-line this, Red-line that but he's not getting a whole lot of foreign support.

The U.S. is part of the UN, it is not the UN. U.S. credibility my ass, there's an underlying agenda.

Obama claims that U.S. Intelligence can prove Assad launched a chemical attack, that he has all the intel on the 'Rebels' and yet he doesn't know what's going on with the IRS? Please.
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#80238 - 09/05/13 09:43 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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It is becoming comical. The Senate is essentially reiterating the War Powers Resolution of 1973. Obama could have just bombed them for 60 days unilaterally under the WPR. I suspect it may not pass the House, but they're basically saying "Why are you asking us, Mr. President?" Bomb them or don't. Hopefully, this will make it politically unfeasible to get involved in Syria.
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#80240 - 09/05/13 09:52 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Le Deluge]
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They know why, these aren't dolts. He needs a co-signer. He's covering his proverbial ass. Maybe it's just for another bullet point in the History books. In any case, if the Government is representing the people and the Nation's interests and they both say Nay, what then? Bleeding Heart Democrats, I swear. Horrid Politicians. In all their attempts to demonize the Republican Party, they are just proving them Right.
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#80242 - 09/05/13 09:56 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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Oh I know. I just find it funny they did it that way. It was deliberate. I hope they all say no in the end. I just have to find some humor in an otherwise shitty situation.
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#80243 - 09/05/13 10:00 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Le Deluge]
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Yeah, it's funny in a sad-pathetic sort of way. The world is watching and trade agreements take all of this into account. After his little show-boating trip is over, there will be an Address to the Nation. I hope he's just boo'd off stage, people are tired of this guy.
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#80251 - 09/06/13 01:30 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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Of course the real things driving this war are Syria's natural resources and geographic location. There's a lot of natural gas and oil in the "Leviathan" under the Mediterranean Sea, and Israel is already making illegal contracts to drill in Palestinian waters off Gaza and in Syria's Golan Heights. Israel wants to build a pipeline through Syria to sell oil and gas to Europe. Israel is angered by the fact that Syria prefers to be part of the Friendship pipeline with Iran and Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Qatar are also angry. They also want a pipeline through Syria. Russia in the meanwhile, is protecting her own interest in selling her own natural gas to Europe, plus Syria is also Russia's only warm weather port.

Back to the Leviathan, there is enough oil and gas in Israel's own waters to keep them energy independent for 100 years. There is also oil and gas in Egypt's, Palestine's, Lebanon's, Syria's, and Greece's waters. Israel would probably be happy to gobble up control over all the oil and natural gas that belongs to the other countries and to use the US as their guard dog.

So this war seems to basically be an attempt to get a monopoly on the energy that will be supplied to European consumers. Europeans could buy natural gas and oil from either the Israeli-Arab and Saudi-Qatar pipeline OR the Islamic Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline, so why should they risk offending either side.

Basically the American taxpayers are being asked to pay for a war that will benefit Israel, Saudi Arabia and Qatar while helping to further bankrupt Americans, to risk American lives and property to nuclear retaliation, and to kill thousands more Syrians and destroy more important ancient historical sites. Syria's art history goes back at least 13,000 years - and agriculture, beer and the first phonetic alphabet were invented in Syria.

Another reason that powerful people are trying to destabilize Syria (and Iran) is that they both have their own truly national banks, they are not part of the Federal Reserve system of privately owned banks.

There is big, big money and commodities at stake, so it would not be surprising if the next false flag attack is really big.


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#80253 - 09/06/13 01:59 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Meq]
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I continue to see the House voting no, which allows Obama to blame his inaction on it. Meanwhile everyone's attention has been diverted from all that awkward NSA, etc. spying stuff.

It was actually the same before 9/11: There were some unpleasant scandals bothering the Bush 2 administration, but they were instantly and permanently forgotten in all the Tarzan Kreegah Bundolo.
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#80255 - 09/06/13 06:14 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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Indeed. It's basic economics. If, the U.S. truly had National interests in mind, they would be supporting a competitive market, not trying to spoil it. Not to mention, you can keep building a dam against progress but progress will find a hole in the dike and move will torrential force.

If there's any 'holy war' to be feared, it's the power of commerce.

Islamization and the Arab Spring propaganda is just a way to distract people from what's really going on.



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#80263 - 09/06/13 08:56 AM Re: House Whip Count on Syria [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I continue to see the House voting no, which allows Obama to blame his inaction on it. Meanwhile everyone's attention has been diverted from all that awkward NSA, etc. spying stuff.

It was actually the same before 9/11: There were some unpleasant scandals bothering the Bush 2 administration, but they were instantly and permanently forgotten in all the Tarzan Kreegah Bundolo.


The current House whip count seems to indicate this: House of Representatives - Current Whip on Syrian Strikes. I certainly hope this is accurate. This would be an unequivocal shellacking of a War in Syria. To be fair, I suspect Obama didn't want it. It is partly political, but the facts just don't equate to an actual national interest.
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#80264 - 09/06/13 10:46 AM Re: House Whip Count on Syria [Re: Le Deluge]
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Here is another Congressional vote estimator for comparison. My American, Iranian, and Syrian friends are posting anti-war comments on the pages of the undecided Congressmen/women. Please help us.

The main problem is that there may be some very cynical business people who'd be willing to nuke a city in the USA just to ram their Israel-to-Europe pipeline through Syria. Are Congress and the American public wise enough to follow the money and know a new false flag when they see it - or will our republic fall for the frame job and risk real retaliatory nuclear attacks for bombing Syria? Would Americans freak out and accept being on the receiving end of a bigger nuclear holocaust and full-fledged martial law in the former USA, or would they see what's really going on?


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#80272 - 09/06/13 05:15 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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I don't think it's right that Martin mcguiness commander of a terrorist organisation that killed children be allowed to be an education minister in a UK parliament.

That would have been like the USA having Osama bin Laden as a mayor in New York.
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#80276 - 09/06/13 09:24 PM Re: House Whip Count on Syria [Re: Le Deluge]
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Robert H. Scales on Syria:

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They are embarrassed to be associated with the amateurism of the Obama administration’s attempts to craft a plan that makes strategic sense. None of the White House staff has any experience in war or understands it. So far, at least, this path to war violates every principle of war, including the element of surprise, achieving mass and having a clearly defined and obtainable objective.


I found an old article on the pipeline: Qatar proposed pipeline to Turkey

See also: Nabucco pipeline.

Two proposed routes, both going through Saudi Arabia. Both were denied by the Saudi Government.

Russia is supporting the block because it would have negative affects on the European economy should Qatar succeed in getting the approval for the pipeline.

Opening the Gates of Hell:

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“The trouble for Syria began with two things. First the discovery of natural gas in the Mediterranean right off the coast of Syria, Lebanon and Israel. Read that list again, especially Lebanon and Syria. Is the picture becoming clearer? This discovery took place about a decade ago but the thing is that there already exists in the Middle East a Liquid Natural Gas Producing power house. This is the tiny nation of Qatar.”


Masking an economic interest with Humanitarian efforts for the Syrian people is going to take a whole lot more than a media blitz.

Obama already announced his Address to the Nation, scheduled for Tuesday (like clock work).
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#80304 - 09/07/13 01:12 PM Re: House Whip Count on Syria [Re: SIN3]
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SIN3, your son is entering the military. I wonder how he feels about the possibility of fighting alongside Al Qaeda terrorists who behead and shoot Syrians they capture who are not willing to convert to the extremist Salafist/Wahhabi form of Sunni Islam, and who are funded by the government of Saudi Arabia - a kingdom that regularly beheads people accused of witchcraft, sorcery and/or Satanism. If the US Congress approves the US airstrikes and/or invasion of Syria, then that's the situation he could end up in.

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#80306 - 09/07/13 01:30 PM Re: House Whip Count on Syria [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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It's a year off now before he heads to Basic Training. From there he' has a duty assignment. Anything can number of things can happen during that time. To include Syria being 'old news' and not much else. If the POTUS proceeds with a limited air-strike, it will have to happen sooner than later. Otherwise, the cause will loose its buzz feed.

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Bruce Riedel, director of the Intelligence Project at the Brookings Institution, says any military intervention that attacks Assad's forces and degrades their capabilities will "inevitably influence the balance of power" in Syria's civil war. He describes the Al-Qaeda factions in Syria as "strong and growing." He concludes that the U.S. Congress should endorse "a robust effort to disrupt, dismantle, and defeat" the Al-Qaeda factions in Syria before they become an even greater threat.


The debates over strengthening Al-Qaeda are still being had. With two forces following two different leaders, the strength they are gaining is in cooperative efforts. They are more organized than ever before and with ample access to man power and munitions.

I doubt the U.S. Military will be fighting along side them anytime soon. Seems to be a military strategy to dismantle them while de-stabalizing Assad's regime.
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#80397 - 09/11/13 10:07 AM Re: House Whip Count on Syria [Re: SIN3]
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The US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel and Turkey have been providing weapons, funding, intelligence and/or assistance to militants who've been trying to overthrow the government of Syria. Foreign-backed foreign militants have used chemical weapons against Syrian civilians and Syrian troops this year. The possession and use of chemical weapons by the militant "rebels" was acknowledged by the UN inspector Carla Del Ponte in the spring of this year, and has been admitted and documented by the militant "rebels" themselves in videos they recently uploaded to the internet. Would Syria be morally justified if they bombed the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Israel in order to "send a message" and to "punish" us?

Secretary of State Kerry, President Obama, and various NeoCon politicians set a dangerous precedent with their sales job for bombing Syria. Their argument for bombing is clearly stronger with the tables turned, since Syria has not attacked the US - but the US has attacked Syria via proxy and is threatening to attack Syria directly .

The new diplomatic scenario of Syria potentially transferring their chemical weapons to international control may prove to be a "poisoned pawn" or a "discovered attack" on the geo-political chessboard, as the militant "rebels" and their backers would be the primary suspect in any future chemical attacks. Plus, Syria could seek to replace relatively antiquated Sarin gas with far more horrific white phosphorus incendiary weapons like those that the US dropped on civilians in Iraq and Israel dropped on civilians in Gaza.

Even a terrifying new false flag event might fail to achieve the calculated result, since society is beginning to call the spectacle into question. Plus, crying wolf too many times tends to leave the crier more vulnerable to actual attack.





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#80402 - 09/11/13 08:05 PM Re: House Whip Count on Syria [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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I'm not so sure about that, if anything Obama has a very small backing and is losing footing every day.

Anyone following the civil war in Syria isn't buying it. The 'Rebels' that are threatening Christians with Decapitation if they refuse to convert to Islam, mind you, aren't exactly getting a pat on the back.

There's a reason why most Nations aren't even batting an eye-lash at the 100,000 dead over the last 30 months. They figure water will seek its own level.

The fact that Obama was getting advisements from a 24 year old woman with a vested interest in the Rebel Force in Syria has made this administration a laughing stock. Her fudged credentials are only the coffin nail for credibility. Proxy-wars and all that jazz.


Granted, it sounds legit when Obama gives his heart-felt speeches about Chemical Warfare and the threat of Radicalization, but that pretty much pulls on the heart-strings of the Ignorant.

Plus, we don't know what Putin has up his sleeve. If the Rebels did have gas, chances are they were armed by the Russians. It's all a chess game.

I wouldn't worry about the U.S. for now, if it does decide to flex its artillery to make some pseudo-political statement, it may be a bit more far off than people thought a week ago.

The 'World Stage' has certainly become a Soap Opera.


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#80419 - 09/12/13 06:54 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: CanisMachina42
Acknowledge it or dismiss it, Israel has and always will play a key role for US involvement in that portion of the Middle East. This will stand. Regardless of their capability to protect themselves adequately (with US supplied technology).

How absolutely delightful to the United States in terms of the rest of the world's, and particularly the Arab/Islamic nations', respect and regard for us.

NSA has been regularly sharing information with Israel’s secret service. It's been known for years that our gov shares info with allies via Echelon, and that NSA collects and stores our communication. Now I guess I'll learn how to say, "Aren't you hungry? Go eat lunch" and "Aren't you sleepy? Take a nap" in Hebrew for those times when special echoey acoustics suddenly kick in during a call.


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#80472 - 09/17/13 05:07 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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Who gives the order to deploy 'tactical nuclear weapons' ?

"We are in a sequence of wars…extremely dangerous because ultimately it confronts Russia and China. It could lead to confrontation in terms of nuclear weapons. This is very important because now the United States has developed what they call the 'mini-nukes', what they call 'tactical nuclear weapons' and they've been re-catagorized by the U.S. Senate - that was back in 2002 - as 'theater weapons', that they can be used in the war theater. And it doesn't require the approval of the Commander in Chief. It is part of the tool kit of 'theater wars.' And those tactical nuclear weapons have an explosive capacity between 1/3 and six times a Hiroshima bomb."

"…Then the question is: If a major theater war is undertaken, will it be sustainable? Will the United States be able to proceed? And will it be able to proceed without the temptation of using tactical nuclear weapons in the conventional war theater? So that there's always the possibility that it could degenerate into a conventional nuclear war." ~ Michel Chossudovsky, interviewed on the Corbett Report


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#80473 - 09/17/13 06:11 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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YES! We can!

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The Obama administration waived provisions of a federal law which ban the supply of weapons and money to terrorists. The move is opening doors to supplying Syrian opposition with protection from chemical weapons.

The Arms Export Control Act (AECA) allows the US president to waive provisions in Sections 40 and 40A, which forbid providing munitions, credit and licenses to countries supporting acts of terrorism. But those prohibitions can be waived "if the President determines that the transaction is essential to the national security interests of the United States."

President Barrack Obama ordered such a waiver for supplying chemical weapons-related assistance to "select vetted members" of Syrian opposition forces, the administration announced on Monday.

The announcement came after a UN report, which confirmed that sarin gas was indeed used in Syria on August 21, but didn’t point to either the Syrian army or the rebel forces as the culprits.

US ambassador to the UN Samantha Power said she was convinced that details of the report “make clear that only the regime could have carried out this large-scale chemical weapons attack.”

But Power’s counterpart from Russia Vitaly Churkin said the report has no “airtight proof or conclusions” pointing to the Assad government and that it allows “everyone to draw their own conclusions, hopefully professional and not affected by political pressure.”

The US plan to provide chemical weapons-related assistance to Syrian opposition was in the works before the August attack a senior administration official said as cited by NBC News. Under the AEC rules, it will take at least 15 days before any of the materials can be officially shipped to Syria.


The U.S. can do what it wants, to include deploying Nuclear 'Tactical' Weapons, to support its interests.


People say it's not about the pipe-line or economic gain. I call bullshit on that.
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#80474 - 09/17/13 09:24 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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I wonder if the US has given 'tactical nuclear weapons' to 'vetted' terrorists yet. I they have, let's hope they're so proud that they upload a video of it to LiveLeak from their cell phone before they get a chance to deploy it.

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#80487 - 09/19/13 08:22 AM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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Ha, no chance. They love to show their might on the Internet!

I've watched quite a few of those decapitation videos. I think stuff like that is needed to demonstrate certain realities that people too often ignore.

Funny thing, this past week there was a shooting at the Naval Shipyard (article) and local businesses were flying the Flag half-mast. I often wonder why it doesn't remain there. I mean, people are killed every day and yet only certain deaths are recognized by the half-mast honor.
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#80747 - 10/03/13 03:07 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: SIN3]
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Yes, I agree that watching the decapitation videos shows realities that should not be ignored. Also, they can be helpful documentation for prosecutors, when the sword/knife wielder's face can be identified.

Animated cartoons can even reveal realities, in a way that lets us step back and see the big picture instead of isolated incidents. This short video is a good example: Middle East Power Play & Syrian Civil War Of course this entertaining gem does not show all the facets and players in this situation. But it does the danger of childish bullying when the bully commands bombs, financial backing and mercenary jihadists.


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#80752 - 10/03/13 09:23 PM Re: A U.S. Syria Hit [Re: dust-e sheytoon]
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How many of those cases actually get prosecuted? I haven't heard of any, do you have any intel on a single case investigated?
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#83481 - 12/19/13 06:39 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: Diavolo]
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In this situation I agree with his force, I signed up and swore to the crown as did he as a police constable. He knew what he was joining and he knew what rules went with this job. I have no sympathy for the guy. At the end of the day it's an organisation who's opinions can effect your role as a constable.

The rule is there because the police have to be seen as showing some kind of impartiality, there are several extreme Islamist groups that are also on the banned list Islam4uk for example.


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#83482 - 12/19/13 06:53 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: BaronVonShankly]
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C'mon baron :-) they are a legal political party and he got punished.

So it's fine if your a member of labour , lib dems or torries but not bnp?

You should still be able to be a policeman and be bnp.

Saying that I don't think they have that many members left never mind policeman :-)
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#83483 - 12/19/13 07:21 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
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Neither of the three parties you have listed have policies based on ethno-nationalism however the BNP does.
To illustrate my point here is an example what happens if he arrests a "non-indigenous" person and it goes to court? All a defense barrister has to say is "the arresting constable is a member of the BNP therefore he was prejudice towards my client" or if there is an allegation of police brutality people will assume the constable was guilty due to his political affiliation.
I will say the job is hard enough as it is without additional accusations based on discrimination being thrown in.

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#83502 - 12/20/13 10:24 AM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: BaronVonShankly]
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The bnp don't have any racist policies. They have members of all races in the party.

I think they still find it hard to shake the stigma attached to the party from the previous leader John Tyndall who was an outright nazi. This was early 90s if I remember rightly.

They have came along way since then into a moderate mainstream party that managed to get 1 million votes at a general election.

I don't think the police or prison officers should be barred nowadays is voting not meant to be a private and personal thing.

If they are a member of a legit political party I don't see the problem.

Did u see the couple who had their children took off them because they were a member of ukip, that's even more shocking.
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#83519 - 12/20/13 06:12 PM Re: UK cop fired after being named on BNP member list [Re: JTF]
BaronVonShankly Offline
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Voting doesn't come into it, it's being an active public member of the BNP where the problem is because of their history.
If a police officer chooses to vote BNP there's nothing to stop him /her from doing that. However signing up and campaigning for the party is a different story.

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