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#22711 - 03/30/09 08:23 PM Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name?
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Hi,
Don't you think that the name Jesus Christ sounds like the name of some dragon, or some ancient serpent. It's almost like Jesus Christ is the monster Tiamat from Babylonian mythology. Was Jesus Christ the devil and was he slain in the crucifixion? In the Bible Moses was commanded by God to put a serpent on a cross or pole, to slay the other serpents. What the hell is Jesus Christ?
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#22712 - 03/30/09 08:37 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: godganesa]
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Jesus Christ is a fictional character. Christ is a title meaning "annoited one". I know nothing of dragons or devils, but I know a stupid question when I see one. And, despite what you may have been told, there is such a thing as a stupid question.
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#22713 - 03/30/09 08:48 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Why do you think Jesus Christ sounds like the name of a Dragon? I assume you're a theistic Satanist judging from your post.
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#22760 - 04/01/09 05:40 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: Morbid Rex]
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What do you think of the psychology of being the devil or called the devil when in fear you try to be good and preach righteousness or in abject fear pray to be good or what not?
Wouldn't you be scared shitless if you thought you were the Devil?
In horrifying fear of burning in hell or whatever horrors God or the commonfolk would do to you?
Maybe that's how Frankenstein felt? Or even how Jesus Christ felt?
Maybe we should reconsider how we treat the devil?
Could Jesus Christ be the devil not necessarily as the evilest being but just because he is the primal serpentine being?
I used to think this way and got incredibly frightened.
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#22763 - 04/01/09 07:46 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: godganesa]
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(Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name?)

-Who cares?? But to answer your qestion, no. According to the judeo-christian mythology, SATAN is the devils name. Very common in the western world. But, tomato potato. Call it what you will. That is the beauty of nothing, you can call it whatever you want.
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#22775 - 04/02/09 08:22 AM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: godganesa]
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Don't you think Frankenstein is like Jesus, at least they share something in characteristics, both were misunderstood and all.
Just like the serpent...

Do you actually do anything in your life? Do you have work or even some healthy hobby? Because by the looks of your posts you have been too long sitting in your room reading fantasy books that you start to think they are real and from this world.
It's not a bad thing to read and study other religions but there's a limit to it when it starts getting unhealthy. Apparently you went over that line.

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#23224 - 04/11/09 10:51 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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This is kinda like that 'God is the Devil' argument. Although I already know that the Jebus myth is a sprinkled version of the Horus story. I would also like to point out that Christ calls himself the Morning Star a couple of times, just something to think about while fundies are thinking of a way to combat that ;\)
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#23239 - 04/12/09 02:06 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: "Knife" Sotelo]
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Christ was a man that tried to offer ficticious ways of acting, reacting, and interacting with others. He said one thing, but the rest did another. For example, storybook tellers do a much better job of telling fiction because they use other mediums like comedy to place the story in. He was full of shit back then 2,000 years ago, and he was terminated because others wanted to put a stop to his wining and esoteric jibberish. If his sayings didn't pertain to the real world back then, how can they 'hold water' now? It's just a lost cause.

They even made a religion that is supposed to exemplify Christ. How backwards is that? Why don't they make a religion about 'Winny-the-Pooh' or 'Bugs Bunny?' At least these two characters have something more to offer.
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#23246 - 04/12/09 03:07 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: paolo sette]
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Your (drug induced?) style of posting makes my head hurt.


You should learn the actual history of that religion before you try to give a synopses. If Jesus even existed, which is unlikely because there is no evidence to support that claim, (even though, had he existed as the bible said there should be volumes) he would have been a Rabbi holding mostly true to rabbinical code.

By no stretch, in any version of history, christian or scientific, was he put to death for 'wining(sic) and esoteric jibberish(sic)'. He was either killed for, if he lived, being a revolutionary, if he lived as christians claim, going against the accepted religious law, or he did not live at all.

If people were indeed put to death for 'gibberish', I would think your time must be coming soon.
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#23251 - 04/12/09 03:40 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: Dan_Dread]
Henrik Offline
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Jesus was propably a historical figure. He's been mentioned in other peoples writings around the Mediterranian, during the first century. I'm pulling this out of wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus and what was told in my finnish high school education.
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#23252 - 04/12/09 03:52 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: Henrik]
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Hi Henrik. Who is it you think mentioned 'jesus' in their writings at a time contemporary to when he would have lived?

Not to hijack this thread further, but nothing on that wikipedia article you posted would seem to confirm that. There are plenty of early references to 'christians', but nobody is disputing that the cult itself is very old. However references to jesus himself are pretty much confined to the bible.

Imagine in 1000 years when people argue that lord Xenu must have existed, because of historical reference to Tom Cruise claiming so. Pretty much the same set of circumstances.
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#23254 - 04/12/09 04:05 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Greco-Roman_sources

I read these parts as the source of information... I thought it seemed to fit well.

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#23255 - 04/12/09 04:10 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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Well... there are two passages from the "historian" Josephus, although in reading them, there's an obvious prejudice. The "historian" had been coopted by the influence that the budding sect of Christians was beginning to spread, and it should be noted that his history, called ANTIQUITIES was composed a number of years after the death of the even then mythical figure of Jesus. The estimate is about the year 70 C.E. So, while Josephus was born NEAR the time of Jesus (about 37 C.E., he was reporting based on the depictions of others.

This passage is known as the Testimonium Flavianum, from Book 18 of ANTIQUITIES.

"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so named from him are not extinct at this day."

From Book 20 if ANTIQUITIES, there is a reference to Jesus in a paragraph describing the murder of Jesus' brother, James,

"But the younger Ananus who, as we said, received the high priesthood, was of a bold disposition and exceptionally daring; he followed the party of the Sadducees, who are severe in judgment above all the Jews, as we have already shown. As therefore Ananus was of such a disposition, he thought he had now a good opportunity, as Festus was now dead, and Albinus was still on the road; so he assembled a council of judges, and brought before it the brother of Jesus the so-called Christ, whose name was James, together with some others, and having accused them as lawbreakers, he delivered them over to be stoned."

It's sometimes said that Josephus was a "Roman historian and a Jew," but if you consider carefully what he wrote, "He was the Christ," NO JEW would have written this. The idea of Jesus being "The Christ - Messiah" would be as blasphemic to them as for a Christian to deny it. So it's more probably that the bias in Josephus' accounts was via indoctrination in the sect's teachings.
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#23258 - 04/12/09 04:38 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: Jake999]
Henrik Offline
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It seems that you have far more knowledge. I really didn't have a personal belief on this but decided to post what information I had or found on the relatively sourceful wikipedia. Of course you mentioned only one instance from one book, but I'm impressed.
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#23259 - 04/12/09 04:44 PM Re: Is Jesus Christ the Devil's name? [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
So it's more probably that the bias in Josephus' accounts was via indoctrination in the sect's teachings.

As far as I'm aware, Josephus was not a huge fan of the Jewish Messiah cult, and leaned more towards Plato's philosophy. Unless he was a Christian (which is doubtful), it seems more likely that the two references to Jesus were spurious later additions by the Christian Church.

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