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#23209 - 04/11/09 03:34 PM Re: Australian Satanism + The Temple of THEM [Re: Diavolo]
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Whatever.......! ONA is obviously your thing so enjoy. I'll quietly go bite my arse now!
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#23450 - 04/18/09 09:23 PM Galactica [Re: Khk]
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The Black Glyph Society is Honoured to host and announce the release of ‘Galactica’ - A sinister soundscape created by the O7Stars Nexion.

“Nearly 40 minutes of cold Cosmic ambience, dark atmosphere and deep-rooted longing for the stars. A vague cry out toward the interstellar fields of emptiness and utter stillness, where only Gods have wandered. . .”

A Special Edition ltd. to 21 copies / A Standard Edition to follow.

http://www.lulu.com/content/compact-disc/galactica/6781272

ISS 07Stars,

THEM

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#23491 - 04/19/09 12:51 PM Re: Galactica [Re: Khk]
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And still I have this feeling about you that you are nothing more then a guy/girl who is just trying to look cool..

No hard feelings about it, but the cheap publicity you are making is quite obvious...
If the product is good it will sell itself...
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Ut vivat, crescat et floreat

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#23511 - 04/19/09 05:30 PM Australia [Re: Dimitri]
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Australia is an exquisitely magical place. I once decided to look up its [pre]history for a Scroll article, which readers here might enjoy:

"Wonders Down Under"
First published: Scroll of Set #XIV-5
October XXIII/1988

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Australia ... Oz and Beyond

“Oz”, oddly enough, is the name some Australians attach to their country. It is here that the band flees, to a settlement deep in the blisteringly-hot Australian Outback. Over fifteen hundred people have formed a settlement that is nearly totally self-sufficient. Weather control, lakes, forests, mountains, underground agriculture, and huge machines all serve to support this community.

U.S. government agents eventually discover the settlement and launch an attack to recover the extrasensory technology for Cold War use. The children of the settlement construct a telepathic shield around the colony, and they escape into space in the “edge of your seat” climax.

- Paul Kantner, Planet Earth Rock and Roll Orchestra

The Temple of Set now has a pretty sizable number of Initiates in Australia, and that has turned my attention all the more towards that very interesting continent. All regions of the world have their weird and magical aspects, and Australia is no exception. When you go to the local library to look up Australian mythology, however, conventional books assume you want to know about the legends and superstitions of the Aborigines rather than about the forbidden, subterranean city of H.P. Lovecraft’s The Shadow Out of Time.

Accordingly I have appealed to some of our Aussie Initiates for information concerning the shadowy aspects of their homeland - and particularly the Outback, where Paul Kantner plans to move the Planet Earth Rock & Roll Orchestra prior to its lift-off towards Andromeda. [And if you, dear reader, are an Australian whom I haven’t yet hit up for Sinister Truths about the continent, you are hereby solicited. Please tell us about Australia - either by letter to me or by direct article for the Scroll. Thanks!]

In the meantime I might point out that I am not the first person to be confused about Australia. For a great many centuries the entire world was unsure whether it existed or not. Thereby hangs the tale of Terra Australis Incognita, the “Unknown Southern Land”, which gets a chapter to itself in a charming book by Raymond H. Ramsay entitled No Longer on the Map: Discovering Places That Never Were (NY: Viking Press, 1972).

This book recounts the most famous, infamous, and occasionally slapstick cases of continents, islands, sea-passages, cities, and civilizations whose existence was at one time taken for granted - and then which, after the wasting of lots of time, money, and sailing expeditions, were grudgingly and ruefully acknowledged to be puffs of fluff.

Fortunately Atlantis and Mu/Lemuria are not in the book, else there would be room for little besides in view of the mammoth amount of material penned about those two turkeys. But there are chapters on El Dorado, the Northwest Passage, a variety of R’yleh-like now-you-see-it-now-you-don’t islands, the Seven Cities of Cibola, a variety of other geographical curiosities.

Now the fun thing about Australia is that it was presumed to be there long before it was discovered. The story begins with the Alexandrian Greek astronomer and geographer Claudius Ptolemy. In his day sensible scientists knew the world (ge) was round, and it was proposed by Krates of Mallos in the 2nd century BCE that there had to be roughly equal land-masses on all surfaces in order to “balance” the known portion (oikoumene). Otherwise the world wouldn’t stay upright [the Greeks hadn’t got gravity, orbital rotation, etc. quite worked out yet].

Ptolemy is most famous in history for his bright but wrong idea that the Sun and planets revolve around the Earth. He had another wrong idea about Terra Australis, which appears for the first time on a 1482 edition of one of his maps as a gigantic land mass occupying the bottom of the globe, and of which Africa is a northern peninsula. [In the 7th century BCE an Egyptian Pharaoh had sent a Phoenician expedition around the Cape of Good Hope, but Ptolemy shrugged that off. To be fair to him, so did Herodotus. Ignoring inconvenient data is not only a modern phenomenon.]

It is commonly supposed that medieval Europeans thought the world was flat. In fact, following the authority of Aristotle, it was assumed [in learned circles, at least] to be spherical. Since God could hold the planet together in any way He chose to, however, it was no longer thought necessary to have land masses just for the sake of weight-distribution. Australia went off the map.

Besides, argued theologians, God would not have been so wasteful of space to create all that land without people, and if there were people there, they would be heathen and in need of conversion, and if no one could get to them, they couldn’t be converted, which was outrageous. There couldn’t possibly be any other people besides those within reach of Christianity. It was definitely better to keep Australia off the map.

[A little later America was (re)discovered, and there were indeed native people there. Some theologians proposed that these “Indians” were not true people but an evil race created by the Devil. Orthodox dogma said that only God could create, however, so the native inhabitants of the Americas went on to receive the blessings of the Christian missionary efforts. As this issue of the Scroll goes to press, the Catholic Church is proceeding to canonize Junipero Serra for his California missionary activities, despite the protests of native Americans who recall the religious persecution of their ancestors somewhat less reverently.]

Terra Australis was decreed not to exist because it was unreachable, and it was unreachable because the equator was decreed to be uncrossable because it was thought to be hot and burnt-out. One day someone sailed across it at sea and noticed that he didn’t burn up. After the general astonishment died down, enthusiasts such as Portugal’s Prince Henry the Navigator commissioned all sorts of mapping expeditions.

Once Columbus rediscovered America, it seemed that old Krates was right. There had to be more land sprinkled around the globe until one got round to the oikoumene again. In the 16th & 17th centuries CE Terra Australis Incognita was re-added to the map. So far no one had actually bumped into it yet.

There were a couple of near-misses. In 1545 the Spaniard Inigo Ortis de Retes discovered New Guinea and supposed it to be a northern peninsula of TAI. The Peruvian Alvaro de Mendana de Neyra found some islands in 1567, which he named the Solomons in hopes that he would find similar treasure there. [Perhaps it was lunchtime when Captain Cook reached Hawaii.]

In 1603, having fired up the Pope and Philip III of Spain with tales of Pacific treasures to be reaped, de Retes’ lieutenant, Pedro Fernandes de Quieros, went out to try again. He came back with wild tales about a new continent larger than Europe and packed with more gold than Peru. He called it Austrialia del Espiritu Santo and said that he had formally laid the cornerstone for a city named New Jerusalem there. Actually he had found the New Hebrides, but no one believed him anyway.

Meanwhile the cartographers were having fun. On the maps of the time TAI was positioned everywhere from underneath Africa to underneath South America, and everywhere in between. Guesses ranged from island-size to something big enough to reach from Cape Horn to the Cape of Good Hope. The famous Turkish Piri Reis map joins South America to TAI, places 6-horned oxen there, and adds the notation that “the Portuguese infidels have recorded it in their maps”.

In 1613 the Dutchman Dirck Hartog published his sighting of the Australian coast, and thereafter the Dutch poked around a bit. In 1629, in the best European tradition, they took a whirl at starting a colony. Captain Francis Pelsart set off from Java with a small fleet. Unfortunately he took a Haarlem pirate by the name of Jerome Cornelius along. The expedition crashed on the Abrolhos Islands (in Portuguese: “Keep-Your-Eyes-Open Islands”). Ramsay reports how it all turned out:

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Exactly what happened then is not clear; whether Pelsart took some of the party and sailed back to get help, or whether Cornelius held his mutiny on land and drove out Pelsart and those loyal to him. In any case Cornelius ended up in control. He killed some 40 of the men to save water supplies, took over all of the women for himself and his followers, and held a brief reign that was a succession of drunken orgies. He also killed several more of the men on suspicion of disloyalty to him, including the two ship’s carpenters, and was thus unable to carry out his plan of salvaging material from the wrecks, building another ship, and becoming a pirate. When Captain Pelsart and his men unexpectedly returned, Cornelius was overthrown and was summarily tried and hanged.

As colonizing goes this was not exactly a high point. The Dutch more or less said to Hell with it, and the rest of the world agreed. Cartographers of the 17th century were accustomed to map only known areas, leaving unexplored areas blank. So Australia went back off the map for another 100 years.

Of course everyone knew it was still down there somewhere. The fantasy writers of the day knew a good thing when they saw it, grinding out many tales set there of which Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels is the best-known.

The basket-cases checked in too: In 1676 the Franciscan monk Gabriel de Foigny, already notorious for his scandalous life, published La Terre Australe Connue in which he revealed that the natives of Australia were hermaphrodites who used a special breed of long-nosed pigs to root in straight lines, thereby tilling the ground for them.

This nonsense went on until 1768, with a succession of maps showing TAI here, there, or nowhere, and New Zealand and Tasmania similarly growing or shrinking in size at the whim of the cartographer. Finally the famous Captain Cook went down to explore and chart the area, and he got a grip on Australia. It went back on the map, and in reasonably correct proportions, and thereafter its exploration, settlement, and political history leaves the realm of magic and enters that of conventional history.
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#23515 - 04/19/09 06:40 PM Re: Australia [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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My understanding of Aussie history was that on first discovery the continent was seen as barren, with its huge desert - until its fertile east coast was discovered. (The Perth and Adelaide areas turned out to have a Mediterranean/California-style climate, and the far south to be much like northern Europe.)

The potential for tourism obviously came later, since it was first designated a penal colony.
(I have wondered if they will be getting a Disneyland in Sydney or thereabouts anytime soon. After all, it is another continent and more money for the corporation.)

I recently had a conversation with a friend who emigrated to Brisbane some years ago. Although himself a Christian, he claimed that religion is less big in Oz than in the States - perhaps because the former originated with convicts, and the latter with missionaries?

Oddly, they still have Christmas decorations featuring snowmen during the midst of their scorching summer.

P.S.
It is a pleasure to have you here, Dr Aquino. Do drop by our "600 Club" Familiar forum if you have time.


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#23591 - 04/20/09 08:37 PM Re: Australia [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Hello Michael,
Thanks for your interesting article on Australia - you should visit - like all things, they must be experienced for knowledge to have depth.

The interest in Australia (also called Arnhem Land in the past), and creating a "Sinister History" for it - ties up with our work re: the Order of Nine Angles - a group you are no doubt aware of, and which has been my guiding light for approximately ten years now. I first heard of your work in 1997 when researching the CoS and subsequently got a more panoramic view of your work in relation to the ONA via the "Letters to Stephen Brown". It is nice to finally put a 'face' to the name.

I was born in Australia but spent half my life here, half my life somewhere else (Aetearoa). The landscape of Australia is, in a word, hostile. Of the ten most poisonous snakes in the world, we host eight. We have many varieties of dangerous Ants, Wasps, Spiders, Snakes, Crocodiles, the list goes on - and even some of the Birds can be dangerous. We've a large wild bird called the Cassowary that can kick a man to death. The fabled Kangaroo so cutely captured in the world's imagination also comes in a "Red" variety, standing 7 feet tall and with huge back legs it can (and does) ruin many a 4wd when they smash into it at dusk, or again kill a man with one kick. While the "grey" is more docile, it too can cause serious damage if the unwary should try to pat or approach it. The fauna or Australia is as varied as it is strange, with a massive variety of queer native animals. Though much of the coastline of Australia is inhabited, the majority (about 90%) is desert, where it is not, it is breath-takingly beautiful, but very big, and rather empty so it is a bad idea to take off bush on your own.

We have a large variety of terrain here - tropical bush, rainforest, old forest, tundra, desert, mountain, swamp, bush - some of it accesible by land, some of it only accessible via helicopter. In those places by helicopter - there are still new species being found - one of the recent was new and very large spiders in the Kimberlies.

No matter where you are though - Australia is largely an inhospitable place when you leave the coastal settlements and head inward about 3-400 km when you begin to enter the "Outback". Mostly barren, the Outback is where the 'cutesy' tourist idyll of Australia quickly fades. Esp. if you're out there to perform ritual. Not only do you have to watch out for the terrain as weather can change very quickly here causing floods, torrential rains, mudslides, cave-ins or what have you - and the fauna which can cut you if you walk on it, touch it, and poison you - or dodge deadly and openly hostile arachnids, snakes, ants, wasps and so on - you have to watch out for womabts, small bears that are quite vicious, as are koalas whom sport very long claws, both of whom will eat your food. Wild pigs, dingoes, and so on. You also have to keep an eye on the locals - who, as buttoned down farmers of the land, take a dim view of anything that looks like 'magic'. Luckily, the land is big enough to lose yourself in - but you have to be very caerful you find yourself again.

The Aboriginals, or Koori people are believed to have lived in Australia for some 40, 000 years prior to settlement. The fascinating aspects of their magic should not be ignored - since, they are quintessentially all that comprises the magical history of Australia - there are no white equivalents, except perhaps for the permeation of the church, no magical caucasian characters that have any association to Australian magical history.

The Aboriginals speak of a Dreamtime, which very closely paralells the A-causal as spoken of by AL - and is a complex set of stories that not only relate the lore of the Koori - but actually provide MAPS of the Australian Landscape. A large majority of the songs that the Koori teach, are not just arbitrary - they contain references to australian landmarks, as Australia is (like New Zealand) broken up into many tribal areas, quoted in the songs. Thus by singing a remembered song - an aboriginal can find their way, even way out "Beyond the Black Stump" (Middle of Nowhere for a white man). This ability has led to the legendary status of their ability as "Trackers". Whom police often use to find lost people or those who might be hiding.

They are also extremely proficient in living off the land, finding food and water where white man finds only death. Like some native indian tribes the elders and clans in the outback live in their own preception of time - of which their knack for disappearing or "going walkabout" for as long as ten years, then returning as if they had left only yesterday - puzzles and annoys the consistent-loving white man. This is just a very basic outline of some of the magic that does exist here, none of it in the last 200 years.

However, white man has all but wiped out the Ways of the Koori - and they survive only in the outback by a ever diminishing group of Elders.

On the topic of Satanism though - that form is very recent here.

Unlike older countries such as the UK or USA, there is very little history here. Some witch scares and some minor belief in the Devil - but there is at the present time only an estimated 30,000 practicing Satanists in a population of 18-19 million people. Most of these have recieved their instruction on Satanism from the Satanic Bible, You (ToS), or a mixture of internet-based agencies following 1997. Prior to which the number of Satanists was believed to be less than half of the above quoted number.

The 70's held a few reactionary satanic rises in worship - though none of these made any significant mention and are only mentioned in history as a collective appearance. A few serial killers have named Satan as their inspirator - but that kind of thing is prevalent everywhere. None of these killers have ever matched the status of Ramirez or Manson however for the occult link.

Australia was chosen deliberately. Since I live here, am proud of my heritage, both Irish and Australia (I'm descended from Kings on ona side, Convicts on the other, a nice nuance) and have some ambition - it was decided that Australia would become host to a new nexion of the ONA and act as a fulcrum for the rest of the Sinisterion. To this end, we hope to challenge the status quo of satanic instruction here, and infuse the ONA-type Satanism in a country that has not yet been saturated by the ToS/CoS mentality to the degree of other countries.

Australia has only been settled by the white man for around 200 years and has had no real impact on the Occult - aside of course, from the magnificent practices and way of living of the Koori whose way is now side-lined, ignored, and pushed further toward destruction; there has been no Sinister Characters or Contribution to Satanism from this Continent (some argue, Island) and THEM arose to change that.

So while interesting to hear someone else's take on Australia based on its cultural history - its magical one is something else all together, and we believe yet to be written.

There is much potential for Australia to serve as the new nexion, indeed even as an HQ for falcifer, not just its landscapes, hostility, alieness, or the fact that almost any act of open ritual is seen as 'black mass' thus a cartharsis would generate a significant amount of energy to be dispersed (for more info see OTO Anorha #30) into its red earth, unlike the jaded USA or UK where such things are just viewed as fringe activities of nut jobs, or quietly tolerated, magic involves risk. Esp. when it utilizes the manner in which we are using it to make significant changes to Australian History by giving it a Sinister one.

This will take time of course - but then that is part of the magic taught within ONA's methodology.

ISS,
Khk





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#23602 - 04/20/09 10:58 PM Re: Galactica [Re: Dimitri]
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Can't blame you for being cynical. Can't convince you otherwise though. Don't have the time. But on Galactica,

The Glyph do not usually openly advertise what they sell in so many places - this Galactica CD is different. It is the Glyph's intention to encourage the artist responsible to continue making and creating Sinister and ONA-inspired and of course Other soundscapes, compilations, and even his slow death metal works.

Sinister Music is extremely rare - the Sinister Music available from the Glyph now was very hard to get, and only made it into a usable form at all due to the combined efforts of people involved in the outer ONA. Prior to that it lay trapped on tape in a drawer for four years. Now it is part of cyberspace and a useful guide to some particular ONA Rites, inc. the Nine Angles Rite which requires the music of "Zar" to be understood.

Earth Gate, by "ES" was the only other compilation to be taken up by the Glyph and supported as ES is one of THEM, and the Glyph supports its own. Eorthe, SIm Rite, Chants etc were ONA creations, accesible via many ways and still given freely to thousands to continue the Seven-Fold Way.

Galactica, the most recent Sinister soundscape to be discovered was donated to the Glyph after one of our artists offered to freely design the new album cover for the former death metal artist in question. He was touched by our gesture, (ISS) and gave us Galactica with all proceeds going directly to us -which proceeds help me to write the hundreds of MSS and keep alive my own and the ONA libraries which seem to fade every five years. I am still asked to this day for manuscripts that used to be around five years ago. The last was for 'petriochor' and was yesterday.

Thus ona mss in books, will probably be a better bet to survive the erasure of the Tradition as it deteriorates due to surges of dis-interest, or public clumsiness/carelessness.

Now that the Glyph has been established - we are only too wiling to let those who have supported us or follow the 7fold way use it too for whatever ends befit their strategy. Which I assure you, is not confined to making some money on the side to pay for our upkeep.

For any other critcism I refer you to "Kniving: To Our Critics".
ISS,


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#23605 - 04/20/09 11:31 PM Re: Australian Satanism + The Temple of THEM [Re: Khk]
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Oh, re: Australia, there's also the Heat.

[One interesting facet of magic in Oz is the mythos of the Picnic at Hanging Rock (Joan Lindsay).]

ISS,


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#23689 - 04/22/09 08:16 PM On Oz [Re: Khk]
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I was re-reading your findings on Australia and realized I'd forgotten to address a particular point I had intended to. viz, the use of "Oz".

“Oz”, oddly enough, is the name some Australians attach to their country. It is here that the band flees, to a settlement deep in the blisteringly-hot Australian Outback. Over fifteen hundred people have formed a settlement that is nearly totally self-sufficient. Weather control, lakes, forests, mountains, underground agriculture, and huge machines all serve to support this community.

Perhaps owing to the illiteracy of the earliest convicts from England, a vernacular developed among the imprisoned that was short and sweet, gruff and particular to the penal communities. Historically/Linguistically - I really couldn't say - but what I do know is that Australia, prior to the huge influx of foreigners and the rise in political correctness which has been a great challenge to the way Australians speak, act and tell it like it is; expresses itself in a unique way which some have termed 'lazy' and others 'down-to-earth'.

Life here in the 1800's was extremely tough. Enough said. There wasn't time for dressing up one's language nor much opportunity to learn it for those who colonized this Great Southern Land. As a result, the alpha-male who could get things done, (aka the 'Battler' against the Establishment *Ned Kelly, for instance*, an archetype that emerged in reaction to the oppressive imperialism of the British Rule) with a minimum of fuss (or "airy-fairy") was the thing to be - and represented a schism between Convict and Jailer that still stews today.

The discovery of Gold was probably what bought the largest infusion of cross-culture Australia had yet seen and allowed the Chinese to flourish alongside the Irish. This influx on the gold fields exacerbated already fierce rivalry between the cultures - a rivalry which was somewhat captured by the Nation's later obsession for sport but which was also partly responsible for the esoteric development of Australian colloquialism.

As I already said, a huge alpha-male meme was required to tame Australia; the men who first arrived here built the roads, carved out the hillsides, lay miles of track, cut down forests, hewed rockfaces; were a breed of their own, Tough Buggers by any stretch.

The worship and necessity of such an archetype has been watered down somewhat with the relaxation of British imperialism - but has led to the ideology that the ability to down incredible amounts of beer, endure the toughest conditions, support one's own, stand up for what's right, support Sport and the National Obsession with Football, violence and domestic/tribal patriarchal rule (That the Convicts got to play the British guard at football.cricket has had a huge influence)- among many other traits unique to Australian culture - being the dominant characteristics of It's people. The hero worship of nobodies who became/become somebodies remains one of the defining features of Australian culture - but woe betide that someone should 'forget where they came from.'

Because of the tribalism that existed in the colonies and gold fields - and that includes with the Koori - it was considered great fun by the colonists to make sport with new arrivals who were often told all sorts of tall tales about Australia at the expense of the hapless visitor shaking their head in amazement.

Many Americans still think the 'platypus' is such a tall tale. But it exists. One fossil was recently found that showed a former species had teeth. On that - it is also believe that during the Gondwana period that many of the species native to Australia crossed into New Zealand - thus the kiwi is believed to be Australian by some circles. Not something I can substantiate, I just have a good memory for recalling what people say.

To some extent, it has been surmised that this habit of 'talking smack' to visitors gave rise to legends of Australia in other countries as a wonderland - and thus an "Oz" - but this is probably not really the only explaination, esp. given that Australia was colonized well before frank baums 1900 writing of the Wizard of Oz. A more likely culprit for this -is that although they can work extremely hard - Australians still prefer their lazy chipped English to the prim and proper 'pommy', and have a love of shortening everything that might be too fancy for the alpha-male, to as short a phrase as possible.

Speaking like this is one of the tribal characteristics that identifies tourists from locals - as is the strange rhyming slang used to codify everyday objects names and places.

Thus you, Michael, would be known as 'Mick', here. Patrick/Patto, Service Station/Servo, and its gets even more obscure; the Brisbane Cricket Grounds for instance, is called the "Gabba". Figure that one out.

Of the efficiency in everything physical - there was also a quiet appreciation for the poet or artist who offered escapism (however mild) from the harshness of living off the land, esp. when that poet effectively captured the hard life of the colonists. Qv. Henry Lawson.

Many people assume these sayings exist because of a simple peculiarity of the Australian culture - or just assume the Australians enjoyed 'taking the piss'. But the Australian language (now in danger of extinction due to PC) stems from the alienation of the early convicts, the challenges they faced in settlement and colonization of this very tough land, the persecution they endured under British imperialism, and the threat they felt after finally colonizing the land and finding gold to make their fortunes - from the rising influx of immigrants.

None of these things, these vital currents that form the Australian Ethos have changed; there is still alienation because the convicts estrangement from their homeland never went away; although having gotten softer in the coastal cities the average Australian worker esp in the outback is gruff, tough and cold as steel to outsiders, warm and affable to his mates and still casts a suspicious eye at anyone remotely in Authority, inc the foreman, boss, policeman or anyone who is brave/stupid enough to try and climb the ladder by stabbing his mates in the back or 'putting on airs'.

And despite the nonsense of having to disguise racism openly and instead channel it into underground resentment (What would Jung say about repressing this facet?) to meet the demands of political correctness in the face of a series of Govt's trying to make Australia a cultural melting pot for everyone; hatred seethes within many white Australians toward this increasing wave of newcomers. And tribalism, taking root because of reaction to this hostility has led to entire enclaves being populated by just one race, Springvale in Victoria for instance, is mainly (95%)inhabited by Koreans, Chinese, and other Oriental Races, the wealthy Toorak township in Vic is saturated mostly by Jews, Frankston by WASPS, other areas particularly by the Lebanese, Sri Lankans, Indians, Greeks etc. A situation which would require its own separate reply.

So in many ways - understanding the Australian populace, whether as a politician or a Satanist, requires indepth exposure to its culture - which culture of the WASP, is designed to tribalize the white australian, marginalize anyone else, and protect his/her very tenacious views which survive from the onset of his arrival here. Hence Sport - as a racial current - is taken very seriously here. In fact, it is the dominating Religion.

May I remind the reader that Anzac Day is this Saturday and a one minute silence at 12 o'clock will "Stand Australia Still". Some of THEM celebrated Hitler on April 20, but I tend to acknowledge both Adolf and the Anzacs with the respect due to soldiers for doing what they did; even though such celebrations are causally diametrically opposed; they are nevertheless One.

ISS,



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#27241 - 07/19/09 07:04 PM Info for Stag [Re: Khk]
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I knew there was something I forgot to do here. Better late than never, sorry Stag. This is an article from Liber Discidium in response to your question about the relevance of Satan / his nebulous-ness etc.


WHO or WHAT is Satan? +O+
According to THEM


Let us say for arguments sake, that, Satan, by whatever name he took be it Lucifer, Shaitan etc – was an Angel that existed as the Bible says He did.

A problem with the accounts of Satan, of Satan’s character, of Satan’s aims and the nature of His works – that I see – is that, those who tell us, of Satan – I.e. the Church – have committed every act that Satan is supposed to be governable over. I.e. His works are those that break the commandments; while Vatican City is an inglorious example of a False Idol. Of “Thou Shalt Not Kill”; there are untold Wars in the Lord’s name, the Crusades, The Inquisition. Of the Sins - Wickedness, Deception, Vainglory, Pride, Sloth, Gluttony, Envy, Avarice, Anger, Hatred, Cruelty, Evil – so many examples within the annals of the History of the Church.

So one might say - the moral corruption characteristic of Satan has infiltrated even the highest echelons of the Ecclesial Clergy. An accusation to which the Christians tend to answer by telling us Satan is more powerful than Men know. He can creep into the hearts and minds even of the pure – such is his power - and it is only in truly serving God that one overcomes temptation – and that is why Man must continue to struggle against Evil, in himself and in others. [Our reply to this chestnut was given in “Insynsian” (OA#28)]

For those who believed in Satan’s tremendous powers to corrupt - this argument would in effect excuse some of the responsibility of the actions of those members of the Church who sinned that Satan was too powerful for them to resist. In effect this meant they could not control themselves and did the terrible things they did under the command of a higher power. But now, now, they are repentant and seek to prostrate themselves before God to beg forgiveness and try to live Right, in his Name, His Glory. Etc.

Perhaps, over time, the people and generations who suffered directly from the Evil acts of Satan as perpetrated by the Clergy (and of course, others) tended to collectively take an increasingly dim view of this explanation of the Scapegoat for ‘getting away with murder’. And perhaps part of the essential spirit of what has come to be called the LHp, is the feeling that to diffuse some responsibility is to pretty much refuse all responsibility.

I’m not entirely sure how to go about finding out if ‘memes’ are created by large scale collective psychical events or the repetition of one – but perhaps a meme was built on the back of the unavenged emotions of grief and sadness at this Scapegoating, which, the Church setting the example as the Ruling Power, would doubtless have been copied as the example filtered down to an extent of the civilian populace. (Hence – the expansion of the rule and jurisdiction, appearance and power of the Devil led to the burning of “Witches”, as one small instance.)

But most of what I know of Satan – essentially comes from the Bible. The people that govern that book, guard that book – are, to my eyes, culpable of all and more of the ills they attribute to Satan. And so – I wonder about the truth of what they say, I question, I doubt, I lose faith. This version of Satan as an Angel – it could make sense if Satan is endowed the power to corrupt even the most Holy. In which case – Satan is an invisible force active in the world that perpetrates great acts of Deception and utmost Evil.

However – I digress.

In the recently posted Manuscripts ‘The Theory of the Beast II’ and to some extent ‘Ethereal Discourses’ – the fragility and fallibility of piecing together the enigmas of our existence – lie in tatters due to the irreversible damage and loss of the majority of evidence that might contradict the status quo as we know it.

One further point to add to this total appreciation of how much our consciousness is missing when it makes its assumptions based only the evidence left - is the evidence that is given to us in surviving Art. Prior to the Renaissance – the Art of humanity was not prone to be captured in what we now call ‘correct perspective’. Some of this can be seen in the wonderful medieval art. Animals, Landscapes, Buildings, for instance might be placed in the foreground but some distant object slightly overlapped that object – such as the moon – confusing the distance and perspective of all the objects. So the question remains – if we draw now what we see based on our perception – did they draw then what they saw – based on theirs? And if in sight there was such a separation of difference in perception from ours – what else might they have perceived that we did not? Did they hear differently, too? Certainly music recovered from the medieval manuscripts is markedly different to anything we know or appreciate. What link do we have visually or spatially that tie us to theirs?

When I see in documentaries the absolute opulence and artistry of the previous centuries, the gold-gild, the gold leafing, the ornate and impossibly detailed pillars and furniture’s– the likes of which are so valuable precisely because they are from an alien era which we shall in all probability never reproduce or even come close having lost so many secrets of masonry, building, architecture, joining, fitting, carving, sculpting, metallurgy, ad infinitum – but moreover having changed in consciousness and perhaps not imbued with the drive to live that way anymore - I wonder at these ghosts of our past and the way in which some of them lived. I cannot get inside the heads of these ghosts – I cannot understand why such opulence was desired nor fathom the processes by which it was achieved. The artistry in such rooms seems as though it has been there forever.

The world should have appeared rather differently if a link between our art and our perception, and their art and their perception is anything to go by.

How can we know a previous state of consciousness didn’t actually see Satan as concretely as you see what is real to you? Moreover, since we cannot get back to that state of consciousness, only surmise that it has changed from then to now from the evidence left behind, the 2 dimensions of bas relief of the Egyptians for instance were once the only dimensions in art. Height and Width. Depth did not come along until much longer for they too had a different consciousness, different limits to their perception.

If – and I’m not necessarily concluding it was – their consciousness was in fact different as perception in surviving appears to indicate – perhaps they could see Satan – and perhaps because of our perception – we see him differently – or, don’t see Him at all.

“The Golden Bough” by George Frazer was a masterpiece, a real triumph of a latter-day journalist. From it – for it is quoted often – several other bright chaps seem to have pieced together the theory that monsters, gods and other creatures were (and still are) externally projected (i.e. by modern primitives) so that the landscape itself is alive with gods. If the Bough is anything to go by – for a very long time, a certain amount of people if not most believed the Sun, Sky, Moon, Sea, Mountains, and other wondrous keys of nature to be living (and terrifying) Gods. Then, such Gods became more localized. Trees, rocks, stones, rivers, and other smaller scale natural elements came to each have their own god or deity. Later on, objects such as bones both human and animal – fetishes, fur, sticks, stones, and even smaller natural objects came to be imbued with the same – or at least – part of the power of a greater god. Hence Sympathy and a connection between an object and a higher power came into play, i.e. sympathetic magic.

Superstition came to see events and certain social faux pas as the work of devils of the Devil Himself – and so the external projections became increasingly diffused into life around us – and superstition, even now, continues to prevail as a force believed to be malevolent by some – (though for quite a few, its now just a bit of fun to pretend such things are so.) Then of course the same scholars who informed us of this externalization process inspired other scholars to write on the Internalization of such Gods and Deities and Demons, citing Psychology as one of the sturdier of these spiritual materializations. Wherein, our Demons and Devils, our Angels and Saints were perceived to have not been Real – for there was, given our perception, no possible way no evidence for such things to exist, that they were fanciful conjurations over an overactive mind, an underdeveloped sense of consciousness – or as they came to popularly be called: metaphors. Just as the events cited in the Bible are transmuted from a living testament of divine happenings to mere ‘parables’ in modern day (C. 1979-2009) – the demons and spirits of the modern primitive are explained in certain academic circles via an under-development of the consciousness in stasis that projects its psychical demons and desires and wants and needs outwardly - and onto/into objects, people, events, places… thus giving rise to a world truly possessed of terrifying sorceries, witch doctors and ghosts.

Those even more cynical have cited our own ‘civilized’ ghosts as neuroses, habits, impulses, OCD, ADD, the unconscious, the ego, the ID, the censor, the shadow, the animus, the anima, the Self…

Those even more cynical (or perhaps realistic) have then cited the imaginary containers that issue these insights: the psyche, the mind, the soul, time, space, memory, age, form, reality, etc are all just abstracts…

Some who have taken LSD, or Mushrooms (me included) or Peyote, Mescaline, even Ecstasy have claimed to have pierced the veil: a veil that taking such drugs, so prominently makes apparent – showing us the impossibly vast distinction between what we’d call a normal state, and the severe difference, of Being in an Altered State. Wherein, what we call normal – becomes something of a paradox – wherein normal comes to be understood as one state, one state of many, many possible states. And wherein, for some, drugs become dangerous to their health because they don’t have the capacity to accept this multiplicity – drummed into them as it is, the unified perception of the world as one, explained, definitive way of being. And for some others, drugs become just one gateway to explore the multiplicity that, I can say exists because of my experience of differentiation between my previously isolated knowing of only a normal state with the expansion drugs gave me; but wherein such knowing may not exist for others who have not attempted to try them. But in such states – many things are possible – including understanding just how different consciousness can be, just how markedly separate from a previous consciousness it can become – and with such knowledge am I awoken, indeed alert, to the possibility of different consciousnesses, not just within me, but within the history of the human race.

Now – in Theory of the Beast - I relate just one possible idea for the Origin of Satan. And did so deliberately to connect an Ancient Satan with a Modern Perception. Viz. Psychology. This Theory gives a discourse on the fallout of the (accepted by modern perception) ‘schism’ that split unconscious man and conscious man, apart; the leap that threw us from caveman, to modern man. Satan in this light is seen as a by-product of this schism, both real (for those who thought him real) and figurative (for those who think him not real) – but the link that makes Satan real or figurative – i.e. people - was emphasized only in terms of how people as a collective influenced Satan’s historical change.

Somewhere along the line – from one presumably early point of view - Satan changed from an Angel – into a Devil. Somewhere, further down the line – Satan changed from a Wily Man who visited Fields into a Goat-Hoofed, Horn-Bearing, Tail-Equipped, Bearded Monster – then, of course, somewhere else again – A Dragon. Then, Satan lost his body, and became an Evil Force that possessed and manipulated humanity – then, he became a Diabolical Ruler of the Underworld Hell - and even later on, A Symbol of Intelligence, A Set of Values – and even later still he is stripped of his name and becomes simply the concept of Evil - divorced both from his body and his spirit.

But then, this sort of thing hasn’t exactly been Chronological or neatly progressed – it appears to have gone back and forth depending on who was speaking of him, and why.

(*A side note by one of THEM: In almost no instance is Satan is ever referred to as a Woman. Perhaps a prejudice that no woman should ever have such power.)

What changes Satan’s shape? Is it you? Is it me? Or is it the parameters of our consciousness that decides Satan’s appearance, or decides if indeed he appears at all?

Or, does Satan, who, even in all these forms, and who was as real to each of those who sought to imprison/manifest (all depends on your point of view) him, and as real as his current form is to you – change outside and irrespective of our consciousness? Is his form bound by our consciousness – limited in how it appears in accordance with our state of Being, our particular dimensional bias – or is this dimensional bias restricting what we can know of his limitlessness?

Whether you believe in Him as The Black Flame, Ahriman, Ba’al, Lucifer, as one of his many other associated names and titles and entities, or an entirely individual view - makes no difference to the objective fact that Satan, whatever he is or does, cannot be objectively known. He can only be experienced via a filter, which filter affects perception – and all that we know of Satan – has come down through such filters. Satan has largely survived through books. And, all that we know of Satan now, continues to come through filters – even when we seek to know Him directly when we commune.

In ‘Theory of the Beast II’ I listed some of the in-built prejudices the human being has in relation to the perception of his total environment; memory, dimensional perception, cultural bias, etc. but beside the many varieties of these there are so many other variables, arguments, approaches, beliefs attributed to Satan that it has been very difficult to isolate any one, unified definition of what, or who, Satan is. Now - why people persist in presencing His Archetype in so many ways, in so many countries, at so many times is a mystery to me. But THAT they persist is not. I can see even from the evidence available in modern times of Satanism – clearly, that even though people may not agree on the particulars – they all agree that Satan has a certain ‘something’. In one particular terminology, such an agreement to use Satan, and the continuing pool of people even in this cynical age utilizing him for many different purposes – means Satan is still a numinous symbol.

Asked recently if Satan was still relevant today, (Qv. “Satan: A Numinous Symbol in the 21st Century”) I gave the following parable:


If you take two Satanic Bibles, strip the cover off one, replace it with a New Testament cover - then place the books on a table and ask someone to choose the Satanic Bible, which one will they choose?

They will choose the one marked with the words and symbols deemed appropriate to Satan.

The connotations of the Symbolism of Satan(ism) are still highly charged with numinous power - a draw - a hypnotism - even if they are not fully liminally comprehensible by those drawn to them, Satan remains a symbol infused with meaning - even if that meaning is not clear. That both books are actually Satanic Bibles but they reach for the one that is marked thusly - says something profound about the perception of the human being.

Likewise - if you take two Bibles, strip the cover off one and replace it with the Satanic Bible, then ask them to reach for the Bible - they will repeat the action. The Sign - the Symbol – the wrapping paper that is the essence of form - still has power, still has sway, still manipulates feelings, associations...

How the Symbol of Satan is used is up to those wielding it - but there is no question that the causal life of Satan and not so much what it represents, or is interpreted to represent, but THAT it represents, that it is still very much alive, (numinous) and still highly relevant. It will remain relevant until it can no longer represent that certain ‘something’ which takes on such grave and deeper meaning in opposition to the world and its domination by ‘something else’.

The names and attributes we assign to these something’s have changed and will always change – because they are interchangeable. The essence of War between Satan and Christ can just as easily be replaced with Good and Evil, Black and White, Christians and Pagans, Mormons and Episcopalians, Cathars and Bogomils, Serbians and Bosnians, The Americans and the Middle East, Fascism or Communism – or any other outwardly diametrically opposed set of forms played off against the other to make one the champion, and the other something to be championed. And have been, and continue to be. Thus Satan is seen by THEM and ONA not as one half of a total – but as just one external form or numinous symbol which represents one half of a commonly perceived interchange – and which form/archetype represents a diametric opposition to the climate in which we find ourselves oppressed – namely the Archaic Judeo-Christian permeation.

In Rebellion, in Defiance, in Heresy, in Championing, in Martyrdom, in Anarchy, in Chaos, in Vindex – in a symbol that shows the way out of the dark - lies the example set down so long ago for the way out of the restrictive, stuffy, oppressive, totalitarian, ego-maniacal, spiritually dis-connected, body/women/gay hating, simplistic, archaic, hypocritical, prejudiced, blind, slavish, existence that is the sickness of the Magian.

And when we find our way out of the dark that encloses us into the worldview the Church* (but more expressly, the Magian) would like us to have – for then we may be even more easily controlled) then Satan may cease to mean something, may cease to be a numinous symbol… but until the pressures that twist and warp the world and those that live in it relent – Satan will continue to be the shining light, the light bearer that represents the means for Enlightenment, in this particular paradigm at this particular time.

*The Church and its factions represent only part of a certain worldview, which has become much more widespread, influencing every sphere in life and thus ceased to be contained within the clergies of the Church. Thus it is that the term Magian encompasses this spread of its influence into these other Spheres.

To someone who asks why Satan is not mentioned much in ONA texts - it should be understood that only Anton Long can answer why certain things do or do not appear in ONA texts. THEM are not the source of the ONA – he is. And whilst we share a symbiosis – we can’t answer such questions on the Order’s behalf – but then, while we understand what you mean by a lack of Satan – we also perceive Satan in a similar way to the ONA.

There are a number of documents that mention in considerable detail the ONA’s apprehensions of him – but if his name is absent for many of the mss – it is because the mss represent his ethos. The ONA view Satan as less a topic to be categorized - and more as a suffusion of a particular way of looking at the world - which world is possessed by forms. Of which - Satan and Christ are the two most prominently etched in the Western consciousness, and of which - both Pagan and Christian values emanate the most strongly throughout all its spheres, heavily influencing and restricting our lives to a certain Ethos – A Duality. The two forms of Satan and Christ are inextricably interlaced and polemically represented (even if they are both so flexible they can be used to express an identical characteristic) - remnants living and ancient that say something very profound about our psyche, our formation - but both of them, even in their massive entirety and scope, only the dancing puppets of something infinitely more.

People have a very hard time getting beyond bouncing back and forth between the two forms of Christ and Satan. They are deeply influenced by both, and yet largely oblivious to the control these forms (and forms in general) have, and the power they have had to permeate every sphere* of humanity to its core.

*From Mvimaedivm II – “It is a well-known fact that the Church is an institution in and of society. It operates via a chain of command and through a worldwide network of bureaucratic institutions over which it possesses powerful influence and control in the decision making process. In a metaphorical sense, the Hydras heads are symbolic of the institutions of the Church whose founding of such institutions has enabled the government of phenomenal influence over all spheres of Life including; Law, Economics, Finance, Property, Estate, Production, Trade, Government, Social Stratification, Military, Warfare, Police, Media, Politics, Religion and even taken for granted concepts such as Time and Space. On a more intimate and personal level, the Hydra also has powerful influence over Social Interaction and Norms, the idea of Good and Evil/Right and Wrong, Morality, Sexuality, Spirituality, Death, Birth and the rituals in between that we call Life.”

Satan was taken out of his Christian context as an opposing side by the ONA and used instead as a symbol of avenging power with an ethos that strives not to replace god in name - but above and beyond even that - to destroy and discredit such a pale and simple dichotomy of forms - to reflect what can actually be observed in life when such forms are stripped away - usually by experience.

The ONA understand that Satan has numinous power and reflects a certain 'something' which is in opposition to a certain 'something else'. They manipulate the power these something’s hold over people to influence and manipulate esoteric, psychic and magical changes in consciousness so that others will slip out of the Dichotomist noose altogether - by using the numinous power of 'Satan' as a vehicle. Once done individually via the Seven-Fold Way - the individual can then try to help the collective do the same (i.e. Via THEM).

But not just to do that - but to understand the immaterial nature of these forms and that they CHANGE, and are always changing and as they change illicit corresponding effects and meanings on those they hold in thrall. Change the Symbol - Change the World.

And, owing to the understanding of Satan expressed by ONA/THEM – i.e. that he is a numinous symbol both real and figurative – and given all the evidence we have amassed on the limitations of perception, of comprehension, of ever knowing objectively what Satan is, indeed of knowing what anything is, and that each member of the ONA/THEM and the World-Wide Sinisterion differ – since each must experience what Satan represents for themselves – take Life into their Own hands – how do we distill millions of intricately woven tapestries into one solitary thread? What can really be definitively said of his characteristics, of his history, of his appearance, his age, his works, or even his name when we believe so differently from others, not only on his nature – but also on the quality of human interpretation and understanding of not just him, but everything? Far better to turn our attention to the receptor that filters, processes, and manifests Satan – the human being. And so Satan exists on every level, no level, some levels, and which if any, according to more powerful principles and apprehensions of understanding, necessity, perception and need that are only seem so very complex – because they are so simple and so different from the obscurations of the Magian.

But even this lengthy explanation only services a certain level from just one point of view – the rabbit hole is deep. And, judging by all appearances and evidence - infinitely so. And so - we end this manuscript by asking what many probably thought (or hoped) we would provide an answer to.

Who or What, is Satan?

(Wherein we believe asking the question is the answer itself.)

ISS,


Answer to the Riddle
[Additional clarification supplied to those of good standing within the Temple.]

In the past (and some argue, the Present) it was an act of Heresy to presume to take Authority into one’s own hands to think for/teach oneself.
In asking the question, who or what, is anything, let alone who or what is Satan – one expressed the defiant archetype attributed to Satan; the chaotic/anarchic energy that sought to interrupt the totalitarian doctrine of the Church. One began to ask questions in lieu of accepting given answers.

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#31163 - 11/03/09 04:07 AM Ona Auction [Re: Khk]
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There is an ONA/Occult Auction taking place on eBay. Dozens of rare books and manuals, etc. Seller’s name is ‘Wyrdactic’

Check the TempleofTHEM Wordpress for details.


Edited by Khk (11/03/09 04:56 AM)

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#31179 - 11/03/09 10:10 AM Re: Ona Auction [Re: Khk]
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I believe most everything that ever came out under the banner ONA is avaliable for free on the internet. Unless you want hard copies of the writings (dont know what versions the auctions sells) there is no need to actually pay money for it.
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#31182 - 11/03/09 02:07 PM Re: Ona Auction [Re: TheInsane]
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Okay, I looked.
That seller is not selling anything.
There is nothing listed under his name.

There are these things for sale though:

http://cgi.ebay.com/T-Shirt-White-I-love...=item2ea894c125
A simple tee shirt.

plus


http://cgi.ebay.com/Neopet-Collector-Fig...=item4a92842b1b
A faerie bunny & pink ONA toy.

Lol, a pink ONA bunny.


Morgan
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#31194 - 11/03/09 08:33 PM Re: Ona Auction [Re: Morgan]
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http://shop.ebay.com.au/Wyrdactic/m.html?_ipg=50&_sop=12&_rdc=1

D.

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#31202 - 11/03/09 11:10 PM Re: Ona Auction [Re: TheInsane]
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TheInsane is somewhat right.
It was once, under Sitra Ahra, but that closed down. Ansuz Transmissions supplied a lot of good rare stuff, but then that closed down. Various websites like Nasz Dom, Sinister Now, Internet Satanic Syndicate etc hosted at various times a lot of ONA mss. Around 2004, Ixaxaar sold some good stuff, some of it previously unavailable. But I'm pretty sure I have the honour of being the most methodical ONA archivist ever online. ONA Database, Aeona, the Black Glyph Society, and Mvimaedivm held a thousand or more mss, novels, images, letters, rare documents and for some access was offered to unpublished mss. But I closed that down. For ten years, I've archived almost all ONA's mss, from temple of sun, to noctliuans, and from offshoots like the WOT, TOB, OJB, OSV as I worked within the septenary way.

Alot of their stuff was never published publically or if it was in ext. limited edition. Mvimaedivm was the last place to get %90 of all ONA material and now ONA's only long-term archivist is gone.

A lot of ONA stuff is free, yes. As for the rest, I wish everyone good luck on the hunt.


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