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#4446 - 02/22/08 01:03 AM what's everybody's opinion on the ONA?
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(order of the nine angles).

My knowledge on them is very limited. I have read the Black Book of Satan by "Anton Long."

The book was pretty out there. Then there is the issue of "culling." one wonders with all the supposed ONA members out there, one doesn't here about human sacrifice to often?

Then I read that "Anton Long" is actually David Myatt who became and extremist muslim who supports Osama and the Taliban.

Is the ONA this dream of a lonely guy in england who put out crazy books that weirdos read and follow? or what. This is all I know. Some body shed some light.
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#4452 - 02/22/08 04:44 AM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Then I read that "Anton Long" is actually David Myatt who became and extremist muslim who supports Osama and the Taliban.

He's lost my respect.
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#4456 - 02/22/08 11:25 AM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: DaVinci]
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Anton Long is David Myatt!

First off the ONA is a theistic branch of Satanism. They put a very high priority on physical existence. They require new members to be physically fit to an extreme degree. They also require prospects to dwell in the wilderness for three months. They advocate crimes against society for purposes of personal growth. They are also strong believers in ritual magic.

The ONA are strong advocates of the ideals of National Socialism. They are very anti-semitic. They strongly believe the Jews to be responsible for the fall of humanity. This is one of the reasons they advocate drug selling and violent crime. They wish each member to do his or her part to orchestrate the undermining and downfall of society. David Myatt runs at least 2 neo-nazi organizations within England, and is suspected of having his hands in others.

As far as David Myatt being Muslim here is an explanation: Myatt/Long is a fierce anti-semitic. He adheres greatly to the idea's of lesser magic. He will appear to you in the way that serves him best. As a Muslim he becomes the enemy of his enemy (Jews). Being a Muslim also allows him more freedoms than being a Satanist, or a neo-nazi. That is his reasoning for becoming a "radical muslim". In modern times we are so politically correct when it comes to one of the worlds stupidest religions, he can move as he likes.

Quite frankly I like many of the ONA ideas. I think Mr. Long/Myatt is a genius of a man. He has accomplished what he set out to do. How many can say that? Although I may not agree with all Mr. Myatt says I admire his accomplishments. He is very hard line!

If you can find the books (and you will pay for them dearly) I would recommend picking up "The Black Book of Satan" volumes 1-3. The ONA "Inner Texts" are also good. Your only real shot is on ebay as they have no ISBN number. Don't listen to what is said about the man, read his work!
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#4457 - 02/22/08 11:35 AM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: birdstrike]
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Mate, I spent 6 months in Afghanistan fighting a war that is as pointless as the food at Hooters. These men kill innocent people; they destroy the lives of thousands of people; and have brought communities to their knees by launching full-scale attacks on buildings, politicians, or those in the Hierarchy. I have no time nor respect for anyone who advocates or condones what the Taliban, Haji, Mujasad or IIM members do.
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#4459 - 02/22/08 11:50 AM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: DaVinci]
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Yes, yes thats super! Thank you for the recap on current events. However the question was regarding ONA not Islam! Myatt is no more Muslim than you or I. It is a tool of lesser magic he uses. Nothing more! The question was about the ONA.
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#4460 - 02/22/08 02:10 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: birdstrike]
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I have acquired several of the ONA's literary contributions over the past few years and while it is not fitting with my personal belief system I admire the work that had gone into it.

I also appreciate the hard nosed philosophy for being what it is; the kind of philosophy that makes Peter Gilmore lock his doors at night. There is something beautiful about a philosophy that makes most modern Satanists shudder.

I also think that it provides an interesting anchor to the satanic philosophy as a whole. In that Satanists have utilized so many phrases to distance themselves from the "satanic panic" mindset. Some of the most recent terms have been:

Satanists are nerds/geeks.
Satanists are skeptics.
Satanists are artists.

None of these are negative in my book and the range of personalities is endless so again none of those are a problem for me. They are however a little soft.

There is something very pure about the ONA's stance in the whole satanic gambit.

Another thing that I respect about the writings is that they have encapsulated the philosophy fully leaving very little untouched. Many of the satanic groups that I come across have borrowed so much material its ridiculous while others just come off half assed and unfinished. So with respect to creating a complete "package" so to speak I think that they have done a great job.

You will hear none of this, “you will be granted the next dark degree .. once we.. uh.. figure out what it is... Hail Satan!”

Now having said all of that I don't adhere to their particular meme because they are just too hardcore for me. I've gotten through my life thus far WITHOUT having to kill anyone and I'm rather proud of that. To me it means that I’m smart enough to avoid the situation all together, thus ensuring my longevity.

I have known a very small handful of men who have taken another's life and let me assure you there is nothing about them that is evolved or self actualized. One of them took a stupid situation way to far and now suffers daily for his youthful stupidity the others signed up for some good old fashion mom and apple pie shit at a young age and went off to play storm trooper for the man. They now spend their days reciting the mantra of "I was a GOOD guy, I was a GOOD guy, doing a GOOD thing." while at the same time trying to stomach the unflinching PTSD that plagues them.

So to summarize I think they/he have/has done a phenomenal job creating this thorn on the great satanic rose bush but it is only the efforts of creation that I applaud. The actual philosophy is too base and I think that many of us (not all) are capable of far greater aspirations.

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#4466 - 02/22/08 05:56 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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The ONA certainly make for an intersting case study. In all honesty, I found more of value in the ONA's manuscripts than in anything Anton LaVey put out. Regardless of your opinions on Myatt Long, if you're interested in Satanism at all, you'd be doing yourself a disservice not giving his writing some consideration.

Do I agree with every single last word he's written? No. But then that's sort of the point, isn't it? Read it for what it's worth and make up your own mind.

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#4468 - 02/22/08 07:32 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: Stag]
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ONA was one of my first loves travelling down the LHP. Of course, to most of you here, that should come as no surprise.

It is generally considered that Anton Long is the pen name of David Myatt. And yes, Myatt seems to have had a conversion to Islam. This can be taken in one of two ways. The general consensus is that Myatt had some sort of catharsis during one of his prison sentences, and just went from one extremist organization to another. The other way to take this is the way birdstrike does. You would have to understand the particular sort of politically correct insanity being practiced in UK for this to make any sense. But, as a Muslim he would have more public freedom than he would as a Satanist or White Supremacist. In addition, his public support of Jihad would be consistent with a desire to enter the time of RAHOWA.

The ONA was a very real organization. A bit of googling would go a long way to understanding the organization. It is rooted in randomized European paganism, Odinism, Might is Right doctrine and the white supremacist overtones that all of that usually carries with it. Myatt was a foundational figure in modern British Nationalism and in Combat 18.

ONA was founded on warrior ethos, a capacity for stoicism and military style self discipline. An initiate was suppose to be able to endure suffering and be the better for it. Isolation and deprivation were training techniques that were employed the traditional military fashion.

ONA has out lived it's function as a public organization. However, it's training and lessons still live on as do it's members. You will find almost no one who will admit ever to have been an ONA member. It is as if the organization never existed. However, you will find a more than a few like minds and fellow travellers in the current ranks of the BNP (but you didn't hear that from me!).

I am not aware that Combat 18 is still operational in the UK but it does live on (in name anyway) within the US.

If nothing else, you cannot discount ONA's methods. Nothing succeeds like success, and unless you haven't been watching the news lately, I am pretty sure that we are in the early days of The New Aeon.
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#4505 - 02/24/08 03:29 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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Thanks everybody. This was very helpful. I must say I was a bit surprised to see the ONA so well accepted here. I do like the Satanism of the ONA, it seems more hands on and practical versus the ''zen'' Satanism of some satanic orgainzations and churches.

When i say ''zen'' i mean that it seems that people just pick up TSB, read it, philosophy a bit, reorganize their way of thinking, perhaps also how they interpret life in general, maybe practice magic, and wear the label "Satanist" on the egos; but do nothing further.

To me this seems almost 'reactionary.' As if this form of Satanism were not a true religion in and of itself - i would say LaVeyan Satanism (as it has become? or as it is understood by its adherents... including myself).

The ONA's Satanism seems more Vivacious and seductive. There's more ceremonies, more ritual, more beliefs, more things that would make it an entire nonreactionary religion. I use that term losely.

I will definitely look into it further.

Thanks.
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#5106 - 03/09/08 03:09 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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From ”Satanism Today – an encyclopedia of Religion, Folklore, and popular culture” by James R. Lewis, 2001:

Order of Nine Angles
The Order of the Nine Angles (ONA) is a secretive British Satanist group that acquired notoriety by openly advocating "culling," namely human sacrifice. Victims are not to be chosen randomly, but rather chosen so as to make a "contribution to improving the human stock [by] removing the worthless, the weak, [and] the diseased (in terms of character)." This may be accomplished via magic or by assassination. Whether anyone in the group has ever actually taken a life is unknown, but most outsiders reject ONA's discourse about culling as either macho posturing or a strategy for attracting attention by creating controversy. According to one online source who interviewed one of the members," [ONA is] a nucleus of four middle aged men surrounded by up to ten younger aspiring acolytes, again all male. The group uses homosexual rites and although they may well have contact with the far right are highly unlikely to be capable of carrying out numerous Order of Nine Angles The Order of the Nine Angles (ONA) is a secretive British Satanist group that acquired notoriety by openly advocating "culling," namely human sacrifice. Victims are not to be chosen randomly, but rather chosen so as to make a "contribution to improving the human stock [by] removing the worthless, the weak, [and] the diseased (in terms of character)." This may be accomplished via magic or by assassination. Whether anyone in the group has ever actually taken a life is unknown, but most outsiders reject ONA's discourse about culling as either macho posturing or a strategy for attracting attention by creating controversy.
According to one online source who interviewed one of the members," [ONA is] a nucleus of four middle aged men surrounded by up to ten younger aspiring acolytes, again all male. The group uses homosexual rites and although they may well have contact with the far right are highly unlikely to be capable of carrying out numerous murders as darkly hinted at” (Hexagon Archove, website).

[....]

For Further Reading:
Baddeley, Gavin. Lucifer Rising: Sin, Devil Worship and Rock'n'Roll. London: Plexus, 1999.
Harvey, Graham. "Satanism in Britain Today." Journal of Contemporary Religion 10:3. 1995.
Hexagon Archive. "Order Of Nine Angles." http://www.hexagonarchive.com/ONA.htmOrd er of Nine Angles. The Sinister Path—An Introduction to Traditional Satanism. Houston,
TX: Vindex Press, 1994.
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#5108 - 03/09/08 03:24 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: Amina]
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Midland Nazi turns to Islam, Feb 16 2003

By Amardeep Bassey, Sunday Mercury

A "Satanic Fuhrer" who urged neo-Nazis to fight a race war has turned full circle to become an Islamic fundamentalist.
Midland-based David Myatt, 51, was the political guru behind white supremacist group Combat 18 and has been the leading hardline Nazi intellectual in Britain since the 1960s.
Now the self-confessed Pagan and Adolf Hitler worshipper hails al Qaida leader Osama bin Laden as his inspiration and praises the World Trade Center attacks as acts of heroism.
Writing under various pseudo-nyms, including his Islamic name Abdul Aziz, the thrice-married Physics graduate has posted messages on Islamic religious websites supporting suicide missions and urging young Muslims to take up Jihad.
He is also believed to be the author of several anti-semitic and anti-West articles entitled 'The Crusader War Against Islam and The Zionist Quest for World Domination', written under the name Abdul Aziz ibn Myatt.
It is a far cry from his previous literary works which included the 1997 fascist terrorist handbook 'The Practical Guide to Aryan Revolution'. The book inspired Brixton nail-bomber David Copeland, who is now serving six life sentences.
According to anti-fascist magazine Searchlight, Myatt was also the Grand Master of a secret occult sect called the Order of the Nine Angels, which was alleged to have practised human sacrifice.
But a Sunday Mercury investigation suggests that his sudden conversion to Islam three years ago may be just a political ploy to advance his own failing anti-establishment agenda.
We discovered that Myatt uses various online identities to simultaneously post supportive messages on right-wing nationalist websites, while calling for the creation of a global Islamic superstate on Islamic religious internet sites.
On one site, Aryan Nation, he attempts to reconcile the differences between both extremes under the title Islamic Liaison Group dating his messages with his trademark yf (Year of the Fuhrer).
On another he argues that Muslims and Aryans share the same common enemy in the Jewish nation and western capitalism, supporting his diatribe with claims that more than 60,000 Muslims joined Hitler's SS in the Second World War.
He also continues to publish newsletters for his own German Nazi-modelled National Socialist Movement (NSM) which counted Copeland as a branch organiser and advocated terrorist insurrection to spark a race war.
On Islamic internet discussion sites he likens the American attacks on Afghanistan and Iraq to the Allied occupation of Hitler's Nazi Germany.
One Muslim internet user told the Sunday Mercury that Myatt, who has an IQ of 187, had convinced other users he was an Islamic scholar with his eloquent arguments backed with Koranic verses.
He said: "After September 11 Abdul Aziz's messages started to become more extreme.
"But because he wrote with authority, many less-knowledgeable Muslims thought he was a holy man and began supporting his fundamentalist views.
"When his true identity was revealed by other users on the site, he changed his online name to Abdul bin Aziz and then al Haqq.
"Other e-mail addresses he used included sheikh@al-qaeda.com.
"He was a very popular and controversial figure until he was unmasked late last year, after which people became much more wary about what he was writing and his messages dried up."
Gerry Gable, from anti-fascist magazine Searchlight, said: "Myatt is an ethereal character who has used numerous aliases to post messages on extremist websites.
"He is a dangerous man who has twice been jailed for his violent right-wing activities and who openly asked for blood to be spilled in the quest for white Aryan domination.
"We believe that despite his claims to be a devout Muslim he remains a deeply intellectual subversive and is still one of the most hardline Nazi intellectuals in Britain today.
"Myatt believes in the disruption of existing societies as a prelude to the creation of a new more warrior-like Aryan society which he calls the Galactic Empire.
"Now he has has simply jumped on the Islamic extremist bandwagon to further his own wish of a society divided on ethnic lines.
"He believes they have common enemies but it is his disillusionment with the ineptitude of the Nazi movement that has led to this most unholy of alliances."
Michael Whine, Chairman of the Board of Deputies of British Jews, added: "Myatt has a long history of involvement with Nazi activity and anti-semitism.
"The fact that he has converted to Islam and allied himself with its extremist fringe is in line with the opportunist politics that have seen him dabble in Buddhism and Chinese Taoism in the past.
"I would advise all Muslims to have nothing to do with this man."
But one hardline Islamic group has defended Myatt and welcomed him with open arms.
Sheikh Omar Bakri, leader of the extremist Al Muhajiroun organisation, said: "When you become a Muslim you start afresh with a clean slate so it does not matter what views he held before.
"I am very keen to meet up with him as we both share a lot in common and I am sure he can help the Islamic cause."
Myatt was last night unavailable for comment, having moved from his Leigh Sinton home in Worcestershire some years ago.

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#5109 - 03/09/08 03:33 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: Amina]
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Other than poorly researched cut-and-paste articles do you have any new material to add?
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#5110 - 03/09/08 03:36 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: Amina]
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 Originally Posted By: Amina
Midland-based David Myatt, 51, was the political guru behind white supremacist group Combat 18 and has been the leading hardline Nazi intellectual in Britain since the 1960s.
Now the self-confessed Pagan and Adolf Hitler worshipper hails al Qaida leader Osama bin Laden as his inspiration and praises the World Trade Center attacks as acts of heroism.


Now I have a question: Myatt was the mastermind of the ONA but as far as I can see his sweetheart is the Nazi movement. He has been into all sorts of religious movements as a way to get people to join him in his hate for Jews. How come you think that his go at Satanism in the form of ONA was anything different? Do you really believe that he handed down old satanic traditions from the middle ages? Maybe he was a satanist, maybe a Buddhist and maybe he is a Muslim today. Maybe the ONA was invented as a way to get angry young men to join his Hitler fan club, maybe he wanted his own occult Nazi organization. Who knows. I don't, but I do know that I do not trust the man to tell the truth.

- Amina

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#5111 - 03/09/08 03:42 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
Other than poorly researched cut-and-paste articles do you have any new material to add?


No, I am afraid that the ONA is too secret to have been the focus of any news research. I could go and look for ONA webpages, but why should I trust what I read? But maybe you could point me to some better researched article written by sociologists or other academics? Or maybe just a newspaper clipping or two? I have looked in the academic research databases I have access to, but you guys are just to secret to be found. I guess that conspiracy of yours is really working quite well. Next thing you guys will be ruling the world without anyone noticing.

- Amina

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#5112 - 03/09/08 03:46 PM Re: what's everybody's opinion on the ONA? [Re: Amina]
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Ok, help me out a little, what was your question? That looked more like a statement.

In any event, let's try the Socratic method:

What is RAHOWA?

One step at a time.....
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