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#22854 - 04/03/09 10:25 AM An important part of being elite is prioritization
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I want to get practical gain from Satanism. I come here to read about how to make myself a better person. I haven't seen this idea mentioned here yet.

One of the most important parts of being elite being able to effectievly prioritize your physical, mental, and emotional energy. It sounds like common sense (to me) but what is hard to learn to do is remember to constantly stop yourself and ask "Is this worth it?". You must keep the big picture in focus. Learn to recognize what is unimportant, and don't bother with it. It ties in with the Daoist idea of inaction:
http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism...ss%20action.htm

My ability to do this keeps my temper in check when shit happens. It makes me much less likely to waste my life away with excessive drugs or TV. Most of my co-workers work 10 hour days and I work 5, but I'm still faster. I live a life that people say they envy.

I judge people based on their sense of priorities. People with a well-developed sense of priority kind of have an aura of worldliness. You can practice reading people on forums. Does the person waste a lot of time bickering about pointless shit? I have somtimes and regretted it afterwards. This forum is a good example. Look around and you'll find a lot of crap, and a few people that distinguish themselves by prioritizing what they spend their forum time doing.

My sense of priorities allowed me to take time to write this because I expect returns on my investment. I'll finish with a couple illustrative stories that came to mind as I wrote this.

I just got back from London. One of the people I went with wanted to go to Westminster Abbey. It's expensive to get in. She complained about the price for about 5 minutes, then went in anyway. Then she kept complaining that it was too crowded. She sat on a bench and couldn't be bothered to actually get up and look around. Meanwhile, I didn't let the crowds and costs bother me. I had the honour of meeting some of my heroes like Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, and Oliver Cromwell. For her, it was a total waste of money. Later, she wanted to go to the British Museum. The coat check people refused to hold on to her bag because it was too small. She went apeshit. She made a scene and embarrassed herself. She did a pretty good job perpetuating the stereotype of horrible American tourists. It ruined her whole day. A better person would have asked "how important is it that they hold on to my bag for me?" If you find something so small to be so devastating, how much have you really lived? Right now I can't think of the best word to mean "the opposite of elite", and don't care to look it up, but this is it.

My father and I once had a very nice dinner that we cooked ourselves. We finished and picked up our dishes. We asked ourselves "Are these dishes worth anything to us?". They were very cheap, we had many of them, and the answer was no. We started flinging them across the room, smashing them on the walls, floor, and ceiling, hooting and hollering away. It was a really good time, and I highly recommend it. My fond memory is worth even more to me than all the remaining plates and glasses we didn't smash. It's all because we were able to question our assumption that it's important to not break your own shit. A lifetime of this is fuller.

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#22932 - 04/04/09 11:13 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: coelentrate]
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This entire post is a steaming mess of unwarranted self-importance and ego aggrandizement. The assumption that true elitism has easily definable tenets is laughable enough, but to extend the laissez-faire description you've so obtusely provided to include everything you find to be distasteful and plebian does nothing but illustrate you define yourself through opposition.

By this casual description, anything you find to be personally worthwhile is "elite", whereas anything you find to be undeserving of your time or beneath your interest is "unelite". I'm relieved we've found our Grand Arbiter.

Even more amusing, the profound lack of "elite" principles you encounter must be shared with others to effectively demonstrate your self-assumed "eliteness" by means of contrast. This, coupled with your desire to wax professorial about the common sense you possess and most, according to your wording, do not, borders on pathetic. The Daoist glaze you've smeared on this shitcake makes it unforgivable.

Your heart is in the right place, but please think out your posts. The ideas you've submitted alongside your feel-good observations are old hat, not revelations. Should you feel inclined to teach in the future, I recall that a classroom is located near the top of the forum's main portal.
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#22937 - 04/04/09 11:34 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: Xande]
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I thought it was cool - I love streamlining my life!

Things that are important are self-evident to those who realize life is a very short thing. Sometimes I look at the beautiful forum banner here or just marvel at the collection of dark individuals all cloistered about in one secret internet den...I like that! I certainly don't come to the forum to listen to whining!

So it's all good...I don't think I'd like cleaning up broken plates but I have thrown a few across the room in anger - expensive ones too o_o

I work at an airport - I see all types of people - the ones who complain the most about pitiful shit are almost always pitiful in character as well. Someone who exudes a great sense of humor about their misfortunes or just treats everything with a sort of casual nonchalance is *very* attractive...



Edited by 97and107 (04/04/09 11:36 PM)

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#22943 - 04/05/09 04:31 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: coelentrate]
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An excercise I found useful was to observe my own emotional state whilst out driving my car. It would seem that the physical act of having to interact with my environment (the road, fellow road-users, etc.) through a machine made it easier to cultivate the sort of 'detached mindfulness' you talk about in your post.

You know how it is; It's one of those days when every traffic light seems to be on 'red'. I'm already late for work and the council is digging up the road again. I'm stuck behind a tractor on a winding country road with no place to overtake. I've just been cut-up but some arsehole in a souped-up astra. Some prick in a BMW overtook me in a traffic queue -- then slammed his brakes on in front of me. etc.

Getting angry, making hand gestures and beeping your horn isn't going to do anything useful here. Far more productive to improve your own situational awareness and driving ability and don't just expect other drivers to conform to your own sense of what you might consider 'good driving'.

Accept that traffic lights and road-works are a fact of life and maybe leave home a little earlier. Keep an eye for those boy racers and queue-hopping BMW drivers, and be ready for them when they make their move. Use the time spent chugging behind tractors to enjoy the country scenery you might not otherwise have noticed -- and so on.

Focus on those things which you can do something about, and don't concern yourself with the rest.

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#22944 - 04/05/09 04:41 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: 97and107]
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That's ok Xande, I didn't expect everyone to be able to get something out of this. Just a couple things:

-Ego: it fits well inside Satanism. Most of the posts on this forum, including yours, are a matter of ego.

-Taoism: That was to show that this idea has been approached before. You can also find a hint of it in Ecclesiastes.

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#22947 - 04/05/09 11:02 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: Stag]
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I have found a very similar method of dealing with the hassles of being around other people. Someone once told me, "You can't put people on mute". Taking that advice has greatly reduced my stress level (annoying co-workers and the like) and helped me get my priorities in order.
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#22949 - 04/05/09 11:14 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Someone once told me, "You can't put people on mute". Taking that advice has greatly reduced my stress level (annoying co-workers and the like) and helped me get my priorities in order.

Depending on your work, there's always the option of a pair of earplugs and a "DO NOT DISTURB" sign on your desk. ;\)

Then again, tuning your mind to "tune them out" and then ignoring them when you can might be a better option in practice...

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#22950 - 04/05/09 11:33 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: Meq]
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Ha! I've worn earplugs to block out the voices of my coworkers on occasion, and found that listening to myself breathe and hum was much more conducive to my concentration than overhearing someone's story of how trashed they got last night and all of the drunk texts they sent to their friends.

Another bit of advice (that I've given myself) that I try to adhere to is, "It's not my problem". It's not my problem if someone's taking a lot of smoke breaks, or jabbering to someone else, or whatever. Basically as long as it's not interfering with MY production, I don't care. I'm not in a position to discipline others at work, that's management's job. I may notify them if someone's fucking around and the work's not getting out, but after that I leave the problem in their hands.
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#22951 - 04/05/09 12:31 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: coelentrate]
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To a degree you are right; at other levels you are missing the point.

Satanism is indeed –or should be- about merit, personal improvement, but valuing actions rationally and estimating the worth of energy spent is not always the desired road to take. Rationally looking at it, every act is pointless in the end; no matter how hard we improve ourselves, no matter how much knowledge we gather, in the end we'll bite the dust. The ultimate nihilistic approach. Still, as rationally solid as it might be, it isn't exactly a glorious approach to life. And that is what life for a Satanist should be; glorious, even in its moments of defeat.

Last night I went out and spent too many hours soaking my brain in alcohol and substances, mingling amongst people the normal ones out there avoid like a radioactive zone. What was it worth? Well, I could have spent the evening, night and morning painting, improving my skills. I could also have read a book in that period, upgrading my overall knowledge. So going out, killing brain cells and risk getting butchered when making the wrong move at the right moment seems pretty pointless. But it is as valuable as the other options which I could have chosen.

If personal merit and thus improvement is ones main principle in life, putting oneself to the test should be a standard practice too. It's what many people forget or ignore. And many do it because it isn't part of the fluffy and easygoing side of self-improvement. Sitting at home reading a book or practicing your skills is an easy task, even if the task itself might be hard to do. The same with work situations; it is easy to try and improve there. The risk factor is pretty low, if not non-existent. But putting yourself to the test in a danger zone requires much more. There is this saying –or assumption- that a Satanist can survive, adapt and blend in about everywhere. I agree with it, even when realizing we all have our limitations and will hit rock wall from time to time, no matter how superior we might feel to be. But agreeing with such sayings is not enough. One can't take them on faith, one has to take them on experience and thus, one should do things that rationally might not seem worth it at all. Put yourself in unknown situations where risk is a factor. It doesn't imply you have to go to the next biker pub and kick the president of your local H.A. chapter into his nuts. Stupidity normally isn't part of the satanic characteristics. But go there where you normally wouldn't go. Mingle in environments you wouldn't mingle in and do things you normally wouldn't do. Let your rational value estimation at home and dive into the unknown. It is in this unknown you'll have to analyze and improvise. And that is what will put you to the test, teach you your limitations, maybe go beyond them and thus improve.

The fluffy part can be done in between.

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#23008 - 04/06/09 04:41 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: Diavolo]
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Well I believe you just made a damn good point and I havent looked at things like that before but, its good to hear your view
it may be a bit egotistical but who cares
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#23009 - 04/06/09 09:03 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: DREX]
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It seems so obvious to me that most people are living a in a kind of awaken dream, all lost in their thoughts.

To me, being able to take a step back is the very first step on the "spiritual path".

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what is hard to learn to do is remember to constantly stop yourself and ask "Is this worth it?"

It's so basic and obvious to me. You can fin this in many religions or philisophical views, this is not specific to Satanism.

For instance, look at this quote from Marcus Aurelius
 Originally Posted By: Marcus Aurelius
About what am I now employing my own soul? On every occasion I must ask myself this question, and inquire, What have I now in this part of me which they call the ruling principle? and whose soul have I now,--that of a child, or of a young man, or of a feeble woman, or of a tyrant, or of a domestic animal, or of a wild beast?


You'll also find similarities between the Tao and this quote :
 Originally Posted By: Marcus Aurelius
If thou workest at that which is before thee, following right reason seriously, vigorously, calmly, without allowing anything else to distract thee, but keeping thy divine part pure, as if thou shouldst be bound to give it back immediately; if thou holdest to this, expecting nothing, fearing nothing, but satisfied with thy present activity according to nature, and with heroic truth in every word and sound which thou utterest, thou wilt live happy. And there is no man who is able to prevent this.


I must also agree with Diavolo. I would say "what does not kill us makes us stronger". But this mean that you have to suffer a little bit. You have to dare going out of confort zone and it's not exactly what you do while reading a book at home.
Life is enjoyable and that what makes me happy. As Satan, world is mine, I thus should feel confortable anywhere, in any situation.

There are millions of experiences that are worth to be lived.
Did you already tried to enter a hard/rock cafe in suit and tie? It can be quite frightning to have all this eyes looking at you and saying silently, who's that alien?

Did you already tried going in a luxury car show room dressed like a Gang Member? It's quite funny to see how the salemen looks at you, how this can impact his behavior. Funny also to see his surprise when your wording and vocabulary is all but what he expected from your look.

But probably the most interresiting part is to observe how your dressing influences your own behavior.

Finally, if merit is so important, then we should not forgett to enjoy what we meritted. What's the purpose of life if instead enjoying your reward, you skip it for geeting the next one?

It's like the hunter who does not take the time to eat his prey and go back for a new hunt without a rest. Stupid life !

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#23016 - 04/06/09 01:14 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: Fabiano]
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It's like the hunter who does not take the time to eat his prey and go back for a new hunt without a rest. Stupid life !


But the hunter might find his joy in the kill.

It's indeed about leaving the "comfort zone" and entering the "danger zone". And although we can share experiences and such, ultimately each is on his own in it. The LHP is a lonely path and all our comfort and danger zones differ, what is strange to some is normal to others. We all have to find our own "tests of personality", find what we need to wake us up from partial hibernation, find our limitations, fears, our taboos and confront ourselves with them. Every part of us we allow to remain as is, will at one point turn into a weakness.

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#23022 - 04/06/09 05:58 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritization [Re: Diavolo]
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 Quote:
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It's like the hunter who does not take the time to eat his prey and go back for a new hunt without a rest. Stupid life !


But the hunter might find his joy in the kill.



But without resting and eating he will starve and die !
You need wonder, fantasy, dreams and ideals or you'll be reduced to a machine and starve as a human.

On the rest, I agree. Life is about making experiences, new ones ! People find me sometimes "bizare" because I have "stranges behaviours". For instance, I went once dressed in suit and tie in a "hard rock cafe" where all people are in denim and leather. Strange behavior, quite inconfortable position at first glance... but very instructive for me. Who can understand ?


Edited by Fabiano (04/06/09 06:01 PM)
Edit Reason: added about wonder & fantasy

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#23023 - 04/06/09 06:46 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritiza [Re: Fabiano]
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People find me sometimes "bizare" because I have "stranges behaviours". For instance, I went once dressed in suit and tie in a "hard rock cafe" where all people are in denim and leather. Strange behavior, quite inconfortable position at first glance... but very instructive for me. Who can understand ?


Bizarre? Fuck them. If I want to wear a suit and tie, I wear a suit and tie. If that bathers anyone's sensibilities (because I DO wear suits and ties and leather when I want to), that's their hang up, not mine.
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#23025 - 04/06/09 07:11 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritiza [Re: Jake999]
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Well people are stupid expecialy in groups so who gives a damn what they think or say but seriously I believe the only way to survive in society is not just acting like you dont care what people say but to actualy NOT CARE what they say.
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#23029 - 04/06/09 07:55 PM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritiza [Re: DREX]
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That's dumb.

You have to care on some level.

If you are not aware/don't give a shit and take into account your surroundings and those other individuals, you will end up dead.

Just because some people can fit into any situation doesn't mean that everyone can.

Its a balance and awareness of who the fuck you are, where you are, and where the exits are if necessary.

M
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#23054 - 04/07/09 05:44 AM Re: An important part of being elite is prioritiza [Re: Jake999]
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Off course I do not care Jack!

And what I learned by going in suit and ties amongst metalhead, I have it and no one can withdraw it me.

And all those we never tried to do such bizare things, how could they understand ?

Now, if I want to have green hair, I'll not do it. I'm not stupid, I don't want to loose my Job (I know you know Jack, just a remider for others) ;\)

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#34840 - 01/30/10 08:30 PM Re: Aristocracy [Re: coelentrate]
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 Originally Posted By: coelentrate
I just got back from London. One of the people I went with wanted to go to Westminster Abbey. It's expensive to get in. She complained about the price for about 5 minutes, then went in anyway. Then she kept complaining that it was too crowded. She sat on a bench and couldn't be bothered to actually get up and look around. Meanwhile, I didn't let the crowds and costs bother me. I had the honour of meeting some of my heroes like Charles Darwin, Isaac Newton, and Oliver Cromwell. For her, it was a total waste of money. Later, she wanted to go to the British Museum. The coat check people refused to hold on to her bag because it was too small. She went apeshit. She made a scene and embarrassed herself. She did a pretty good job perpetuating the stereotype of horrible American tourists. It ruined her whole day.


You gave me much food for thought. Thank you.

Your assessment that the above showed poor prioritization, and thus a poor use of time and energy, appeals to me, and while I would add more, I agree to saying that much. One of my favorites of the seven vital principles (deadly sins) is sloth, the insistence that time and energy be spent efficiently and effectively, getting maximum bang for the minimum buck, always in service to self. The woman you describe above wasn't doing that.

But I would take things a step further. She was displaying a victim mentality. I think most of us on this forum instinctively recoil from that.

Another step. Victim mentality violates the eighth of the 11SRE: "Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself."

Now we're getting somewhere. I'll digress a moment and state my preference for a different word than elitism, namely, aristocracy. I like the latter word better because Nietzsche used it, and I like to bring his thought on board whenever I can, but also because I want to connote a Subjective condition, rather than an Objective one, and I think the latter word more clearly does that.

Back to the 11SRE. On the Encyclopedia Project thread devoted to that topic, I offered two advantages of following and propagating the 11SRE: (a) if you motivate the people around you to follow those guidelines, you inevitably make your own life easier; and (b) by following the guidelines you avoid wasting time and energy. The second plays directly into your own insight! Yet I see now that there's a third advantage. Following those guidelines is aristocratic! For each guideline, if I imagine the opposite behavior and ask myself if that opposite behavior would be aristocratic, in every instance my answer is no. Surely, with respect to the eighth of the eleven, it is decidedly unaristocratic to complain about things to which you need not subject yourself. Hell, what could be less aristocratic than a victim mentality?

Another step. The aristocrat instinctively assumes a position of power with respect to others, and one aspect of power is the tendency for one's behavior to be mimicked. That brings in advantage "a" of the 11SRE as discussed above! Another step. The aristocrat instinctively spends time and energy frugally. That's advantage "b" of the 11SRE as discussed above!

The 11SRE are arrows aimed at the bullseye of what it means to be an aristocrat, or, if you prefer, an elite. Your above example helped illuminate that.
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