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#22881 - 04/04/09 12:01 AM Satan.
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In light of threads like 'pictures of satan' and threads/posts like it, I felt the need to go out of my way to say what has already been said before. Why? Because I thought it would be more beneficial for ME to post this as opposed to reading posts and threads over and over and over that can be explained be this. There seems to be some dispute/misconception over the meaning of this word. Until further evidence is presented this and ONLY this is the definition of the word satan:

1. Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence!
2. Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams!
3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit!
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!
6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic
vampires!
7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than
those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual
development", has become the most vicious animal of all!
8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or
emotional gratification!
9. Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all
these years!

Yes you can give it any meaning you want, much the way I can give the word 'jelly' any meaning I want....however, in THIS community the word 'satan' is generally defined as such, much like any other word (though it can have different meanings) is defined by the communitiy in which it is being used. I'm sure some will come back and say I am wrong, but really, I don't give a shit.
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#22891 - 04/04/09 09:09 AM Re: Satan. [Re: blsk]
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Hi Blsk !

No a bad thing to remind the core. Off course, I share the Nine Satanic Statements and I keep them as a kind of reference.

But is Satan ONLY this ?

It's also the symbol of the highest realisation of each individual. I can see it as an ideal toward which I strive when I'm bettering myself.
In my always bettering myself process, I use my will and my rational thinking for attaining (intermediate) realistic goals; but I also do some auto-manipulation, playing with my own mind for better deserving my goals. And for that, pictures of Satan can be usefull.
For instance, I can see myself as Lucifer, bringing the Light in the darkness, when I have to handle a manipulator or as Satan, the rebel, when I need to say "I don't need Sex, my management fucks me every day!". And when I dance in night clubs, I'm Belial! FEAST! Enjoying life and all the pleasures it can bring. And when I'm at the center of the dance floor or on the highest podium and people sart to applause, girls shouting at me and young boys staring at me, Belial has an orgasm. Really, this earth can also be heaven \:D

But I want to STRESS on it, these visualisations and the pictures, images and representations of Satan are purely private and part of MY magic. It's only for me, well fitted to MY mind, and my mind ONLY.

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#22892 - 04/04/09 09:15 AM Re: Satan. [Re: Fabiano]
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I agree that those aren't the only things Satan represents. But these "Satan is Santa Clause" "Do you think Jesus is Satan" "Does Satan look fat in this dress" type of threads are ridiculous. As Satanist we should view Satan within the context presented in the Satanic philosophy/religion. This philosophy can easily stand on it's own, there's no need to draw comparisons from other cultures and religions.
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#22899 - 04/04/09 12:00 PM Re: Satan. [Re: Morbid Rex]
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I agree for the threads.

Be carefull when you tell me " As Satanist we should " because he who saith "thou shalt" to me is my mortal foe!

The list of infernal names you find in TSB is drawn from many cultures, the same for the rituals...

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#22965 - 04/05/09 04:37 PM Re: Satan. [Re: Fabiano]
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well mabe if we draw comparisons from other cultures and religions we can sit back and laugh at them... but i agree the threads are stupid and rather immature
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#23152 - 04/10/09 07:29 AM Re: Satan. [Re: blsk]
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Hy!
That is your own definition, my friend...
It is also what M.Anton S.LAVEY wrote.
But every word in common language, have its value, its origin.
We call that :"ethymology",(éthymologie in French).
And everywher in the world, when you said bread, pani, pain ,etc , it is the same thing.
The myth of the "daïmon" has been created, as M.Lavey said by the Christian (Catholic) Church, at the begining of its History."Daïmon" in Greek , means :"spirits who are creating"...
for the translation of the Hebrew name of "Aelohim", "God",in English, "Deus" in Latin(Roman), who has created everything from Him ( The Hebrews said that...)exactly from a part of Him.(look at the " Zohar" and the marvellous explanation of the Rav Adin Zeinsalts). And he has created "Shaïtan" and tell Him to see if the devotees respect His commands : ("Mitsvot")i-e to OBEY TO GOD!
Then, for "Shaïtan" in Latin Roman Tradition, an image has been created to dominate the people,as an opposite of God;Therefore, we have in French History the catholic crusade of "Albigensis"-"Albigeois" during the period from the 12th to the 14th century, when crusaders "in the name of Jesus-Christ" have destroyed all the South of France, killing more than 250.000 peoples, simply because they believed in duality, a God of darkness, and a god of Light( who is not in this world, World of the "daïmon").And they didn't accept the Church of clergymen who were corrupted, ignorants, greedy for money,exploiters of the poor, of the peasants who have had only the tithe (a sort of income tax) to pay and nothing to eat to them!
Is our world different today?
You can put what you want on "Satan"...
"The other world used in latin text is "Diabolus" which it came from the Greek "Diabolos" which means " who separate".It became the French "diable",then the English "devil"...
The snake eat its tail!
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#24045 - 05/02/09 11:10 PM Re: Satan. [Re: ortho]
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The Name of Satan is the title that I most often use to describe that Power of Darkness that fuels the Black Flame within me which inspires my will to Magic, to achieve my most heart felt desires in life.

To me, Satan is the guiding Principle in my life. I don't worship it, rather, I honor it. In my experience, the Dark Lord isn't always fair - this great principle can even sometimes piss me the hell off, but it has always been Just.

In my mind Satan represents iron willed determination, independent spirit, Truth, and Justice, to name a few. For me personally though, I prefer the term "Lord of Darkness" as he has so many names, faces, and forms; all of which are reflections of the whole. At least that's how I see it.

It is one of my highest goals as a Sorcerer to obtain an Understanding of the Dark One, but I have accepted the fact that it may take me a life time to achieve this goal.

If Satan is a dark force in nature, then he existests within me, as well as, in all human beings. However, it seems there will be only a select few who will be more attuned to this Infernal essence. Those of us who are born Satanist and who are bold enough to explore and who find inspiration and wonder on the Path of Darkness.

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#24545 - 05/13/09 04:29 PM Re: Satan. [Re: blsk]
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no your very right. the 9 statements are absolutes and always will be as far as i'm concerned. if you cant get get past that you may as well put the book down and go on to somthing else.
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#24569 - 05/13/09 11:10 PM Re: Satan. [Re: blsk]
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 Originally Posted By: blsk


5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!


I wish to stress the meaning on this statement because I feel that if neglected, it can do it's damage.

Growing up, I was bullied a lot in school to the point where I was becoming violent not only in school, but at home too. My mother and counselors always said the same thing, "Ignore them and walk away, shrug it off, don't retaliate, be the better man, etc."

That was probably the worst advice they could EVER have given me. It doesn't work.

First of all, how the fuck does letting some asshole humiliate me in front of friends, teachers, and faculty make me a "better man"? Secondly, you can't just "shrug it off". That's just bullshit. It bottles up to the point where you explode in a violent rage, often against people who don't deserve it. You think those fuckers who used to tease me gave it another thought afterward? I still remember all the names and faces of those degenerates, but had I retaliated and stood up for myself, they would have remembered mine.

The only thing I got from turning the other cheek was a low self esteem and a nasty temper. However, over the past years I've tried to block it out and start anew the best I can, as it is too late to do anything now (besides a destruction ritual).

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, scorn for scorn, blow for blow. Make enemies, they'll make you a hero.
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#24571 - 05/13/09 11:27 PM Re: Satan. [Re: Tranceparent Sky]
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When I was in high school, many years ago, I was bullied. I was an easy enough target. Short, skinny, "weird". One person in particular used to give me a lot of crap on a daily basis. When I was a senior I had amassed enough credits that I barely had to show up for school. I was a skater then. I was on my way to the bathroom and then off for the rest of the day. I encountered this enemy in the bathroom. He started in on me. I had had enough. I finished peeing. I grabbed my skateboard by the wheels. As I was leaving, I swung that board with all my might right at his face. I had recently put new grip tape on it and it was just like sandpaper. That tore his face up. I then hit him in the forehead with the trucks. He chased me, bleeding and dazed, out of the school. I made it to the parking lot and to further piss him off, I rode my skate across the roof of his car, down the windshield, and off the hood. Jumped in my car and left. He never bothered me for rest of the year, which was only a very short time.

Ten years later. I attended my high school reunion. He approaches me and offers a drink and asks me and my wife to sit with him at his table. I had made such an impact on him that day, that he did a 180. No one had ever stood up to him like that. We spent the evening sharing stories, he apologized, we were buddy buddy. When I created my Facebook account, he was one of the first to ask to be a friend. I declined.

Yes, this is a very important statement. I didn't realize it at the time that I had upheld this statement and had positive results. I was not that familiar with Satanism at that time. I just acted on what I thought was right.
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#24576 - 05/14/09 06:58 AM Re: Satan. [Re: blsk]
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I have a very similar story that involves my enemy apologizing after he ate my fist, but that's a whole other deal. High school is the best time for making enemies, as you probably will never see half of them again.

If you really wanted to drive your point home, you could've hit him again when he apologized! But that would then bring me to...
 Originally Posted By: blsk
4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Is his apology worthy of your forgiveness? Or should you have instilled even more fear than you had before? "Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundred-fold!Make yourself a terror to your adversary." Should you have been accepting of his apology? Or should he have endured more wrath?
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#24578 - 05/14/09 07:29 AM Re: Satan. [Re: Tranceparent Sky]
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 Originally Posted By: Tranceparent Sky
 Originally Posted By: blsk


5. Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek!


I wish to stress the meaning on this statement because I feel that if neglected, it can do it's damage.

Growing up, I was bullied a lot in school to the point where I was becoming violent not only in school, but at home too. My mother and counselors always said the same thing, "Ignore them and walk away, shrug it off, don't retaliate, be the better man, etc."

That was probably the worst advice they could EVER have given me. It doesn't work.

First of all, how the fuck does letting some asshole humiliate me in front of friends, teachers, and faculty make me a "better man"? Secondly, you can't just "shrug it off". That's just bullshit. It bottles up to the point where you explode in a violent rage, often against people who don't deserve it. You think those fuckers who used to tease me gave it another thought afterward? I still remember all the names and faces of those degenerates, but had I retaliated and stood up for myself, they would have remembered mine.

The only thing I got from turning the other cheek was a low self esteem and a nasty temper. However, over the past years I've tried to block it out and start anew the best I can, as it is too late to do anything now (besides a destruction ritual).

Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, scorn for scorn, blow for blow. Make enemies, they'll make you a hero.

You sound very much like myself. I know the feeling all too well. I've even got a false tooth thanks to being trained to "turn the other cheek". Now I'm trying to get out of the mindset of being a doormat, and actually stand up for myself.

Still, one bit of satisfaction that I've gained over the years is knowing that the guy that punched my tooth out and gave me hell during my time in secondary school is now a junkie and has been in prison a time or two. I don't know what I'd do if I ever bumped into him. I fantasise about hurting him big time, but who knows. Maybe he wouldn't be worthy enough of an opponent to defeat now.
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#24583 - 05/14/09 09:16 AM Re: Satan. [Re: DistroyA]
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Does it make it hard to organize a group of Satanists if everyone exacts vengeance for any slight upon their person?

I would imagine that this would create a lot of infighting at any kind of social gathering.
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#24585 - 05/14/09 09:53 AM Re: Satan. [Re: love.light.peace]
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You're misunderstanding the concept of Lex Talionis. It's not something that you live for. You insult me in some way and I can't move on until I pay you back in kind. That kind of thing is reserved for serious offenses against you. "If a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other."

Satanism is above all, a sensible approach to life. We know that SOMETHING we do or say might offend SOMEONE somehow. So you simply use common sense and don't maliciously attack someone, verbally of physically unless it's justified. We have a guideline for that in the 11 Satanic Rules of the Earth. Rule 11 is "When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him."

It says, basically, mind your own business and expect others to mind theirs. If they offend you, tell them to stop. If they don't, use appropriate actions against them. DESTROY does not always equal KILL. You can destroy them with superior logic, knowledge and/or skills. You can destroy them by making them lose face in their peer group. Or, if they PHYSICALLY, assault you, leave them lying in a heap and walk away. Killing isn't appropriate even in the case of assaults, in most instances, but appropriate retaliation is the right of every Satanist.

Of course, in interpersonal relationships, we very much practice the laws of reciprocity. Again going to the 11 Satanic Laws of the Earth, we are guided by rules #3 and #4.

"3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy."

Simple rules for social intercourse. Treat others with respect and demand that same respect be paid to you in return. We as Satanists aren't brain dead louts who can do nothing but argue and fight... or we SHOULDN'T be. We simply make the "Golden Rule" that many cultures accept as the blueprint for living together and give it a Satanic twist in saying, "Do unto others AS they do unto you."
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#24586 - 05/14/09 10:00 AM Re: Satan. [Re: Jake999]
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Great post Jake. I am quite astonished that Satanism has some precepts that I actually adhere to.

Walk softly and carry a big stick
-Teddy Roosevelt

I'm not so sure about smiting people back all the time. I do think that discretion can be the better part of valor.
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#24587 - 05/14/09 10:23 AM Re: Satan. [Re: DistroyA]
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Yes, and many of the people who messed with me are either unemployed druggies and/or in jail. Others are working at Taco Bell and living in their moms basement. But I sometimes wonder if the shit that I dealt with either tore me down or built me up? I do believe that a bad temper, if applied appropriately, can be used constructively. For example, if somebody remarks on your weight, instead of lashing out, you decide to excercise vigorously and vent your anger through weight training. Not only will you build character, strength, and discipline, but you will also have an improved image (aesthetics). One would think twice before insulting you when you have a decent pair of biceps.

But just be careful to not get caught up in your image to the point of deformity like this dumbfuck. http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/05/6498/
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#24589 - 05/14/09 12:04 PM Re: Satan. [Re: Jake999]
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 Quote:
Of course, in interpersonal relationships, we very much practice the laws of reciprocity. Again going to the 11 Satanic Laws of the Earth, we are guided by rules #3 and #4.

"3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy."


And that is why so many new members have a problem adjusting here. Either they think that just because they are a member they have "rights" to type and act as they want to, or they are unfamiliar with these Laws of the Earth. We practice these Laws. This site should be viewed as another man's lair. Myself, Jake, and every other member are guests here. Act accordingly. Sometimes a heated debate can and will break out. Don't feel bad if you get the business end of a baseball bat to your head if you can't compose yourself.


When we ask that you type in proper sentences, with punctuation and spelling, we aren't being dicks. It's because it is annoying to try to decipher your babble(to no one in particular). When you get attacked for ignoring that, it is because you are violating Law #4. Change can be hard. If you are unwilling to change, don't get all bent out of shape because we come down on you for typing 1 extremely run on sentence or ignoring paragraphs. No one like.to.read.crap.like.this.or....whenn...u....type...liek....this.

No one is demanding that you treat everything Lavey wrote as gospel. But this is a Satanism site, founded on the principles that Lavey wrote. If you don't agree with that, find a new home.

Sorry Jake. You brought up some good points that hit near and dear to me and this site.
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#24604 - 05/14/09 10:18 PM Re: Satan. [Re: fakepropht]
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people remember me all throughout my school years not only did i beat the shit out of anyone who would cross me but i have always been big too so they remember the beating.
It is a rare occasion to see me turn the other cheek or to see me strike first in a fight I rely on verbal assalt and my wit to enrage those who pick on me and make them look stupid untill they touch me... then it is on
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#24607 - 05/14/09 10:51 PM Re: Satan. [Re: Nightmare]
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I was picked on a little when I was younger, not too much, I was able to let most of it roll off my back. I only got into two fights during my time in elementary and middle school and ended up becoming good friends with the people I fought.

In higschool I wasn't picked on at all, I chalk that up to my schoolmates being scared that I would go Columbine on them, and the fact that I was friends with "the right people". I got into a few minor scuffles, all centered around stupid highschool drama bullshit.

I feel that is important the one pick their battles wisely. Eye for eye, yes, but one must also be smart enough to know when to just let things go, or at least wait until another day.

As has already been stated - violence is not the only means to exact revenge. Some of the sweetest tasting revenges I have exacted consisted of making people look like fools in front of their friends. Especially during my time in highschool where ones popularity is precariously balanced on a razors edge and it doesn't take much to send it to the floor.
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#24631 - 05/15/09 02:35 PM Re: Satan. [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I only turn the other cheek when it is something worth fighting for and its not immaturity or bullshit, that people like to dwell on, i think that it is stupid. i think that it is better to save energy for something more important not childish bullshit, but if a prson dosent stop i will fight and i think that revenge is better if you make someone look like a total fool and make them look stupid
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